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John Nero
03-06-2009, 10:40 PM
driving home from to tower shops the motor went to heaven-i guess a little to much drag racing- oil blowing out of tail pipes and oil pouring on the ground
she will live again - will look into all options -
Mills Marauder
03-06-2009, 10:58 PM
THAT SUCKS, finally i have a faster car than you :lol:
hot-rauder
03-06-2009, 10:59 PM
sad to hear John..... you'll upgrade somehow
Cobra25
03-07-2009, 04:41 AM
Sorry too hear that John . Bad time for that too happen.
FordNut
03-07-2009, 05:20 AM
Sorry to hear that. Build it stronger & faster.
Sorry to hear John.
When building it back up, may I suggest Livernois Valve springs?
They will save you a huge amount of $$$$ and they perform flawlessly.
RoyLPita
03-07-2009, 06:30 AM
Oh jeez. Keep us posted on this.
SC Cheesehead
03-07-2009, 06:31 AM
Man, sorry to hear that.
Keep us posted about the rebuild.
jdando
03-07-2009, 06:33 AM
Oh no, which motor was this?
ImpalaSlayer
03-07-2009, 10:10 AM
sorry to hear man. but...
i have a cobra short block ill sell ya if you wana go that route
Shora
03-07-2009, 10:15 AM
NO!! That sucks!
I really want to know what went wrong.
BAD MERC
03-07-2009, 10:20 AM
You gonna be at the picnic????
John Nero
03-07-2009, 02:07 PM
You gonna be at the picnic????
yes i will bring a big poster of my car
John Nero
03-07-2009, 07:24 PM
i wiil tell you one thing - i feel like i am marauderless- it is such a bad feeling
Wow, that's about as bad as it gets.
Hate to hear that, brother.
UncleLar
03-08-2009, 04:17 AM
Wow, that's about as bad as it gets.
It could get worse.Imagine being married and breaking the wife's Marauder.
It could get worse.Imagine being married and breaking the wife's Marauder.
Ok, your full house beats my two pair. :lol:
MarauderTJA
03-08-2009, 07:19 AM
I am with you John. Well I have a problem too:mad:. Ran another 10.4 et @ 135 mph yesterday at the Spring Breeak Shootout in Bradenton. Switched tires back to the Nitto DR's. Went on the 30 mile drive. Next run for the True Street, blew the Nitto DR's off in the 60 foot, bounced off the rev limiter and then the car started smoking out of both pipes. Oil presure fine, no water in oil. Think I may have blown the seal out of the SC. Hopefully thats all it is. Car runs fine, just smoking like a chimney. Will check it out soon. Sucks, but thats drag racing.
FEEL FOR YOUR JOHN:depress:. I'll be at the picnic with my Lincoln truck:alone:.
John Nero
03-08-2009, 07:43 AM
I am with you John. Well I have a problem too:mad:. Ran another 10.4 et @ 135 mph yesterday at the Spring Breeak Shootout in Bradenton. Switched tires back to the Nitto DR's. Went on the 30 mile drive. Next run for the True Street, blew the Nitto DR's off in the 60 foot, bounced off the rev limiter and then the car started smoking out of both pipes. Oil presure fine, no water in oil. Think I may have blown the seal out of the SC. Hopefully thats all it is. Car runs fine, just smoking like a chimney. Will check it out soon. Sucks, but thats drag racing.
FEEL FOR YOUR JOHN:depress:. I'll be at the picnic with my Lincoln truck:alone:.
i will be in the navigator- at least you did it on a track - i would have prefered that then driving on a highway
Blackmobile
03-08-2009, 08:04 AM
And I thought 08 was a horrible year, you guys are making 09 seem like the year of Damian. But still, take comfort that both beauties can be rebuilt.
Ed
Hotrauder
03-08-2009, 08:47 AM
Man, this is a horror show to read. I sure wish all you guys well. Yes, you too of course, Ed. I know the horrible feeling when it all goes to heck. I was fortunate that it was only the SC. I hope that is all you have to deal with Tom. John, I know that you have always said, " I will build it better and faster." Sorry it has to be but I know you will back stronger than ever, as will Tom. Semper Fi. Dennis:)
MarauderTJA
03-08-2009, 03:46 PM
When you push the limits you have to expect that things will break. Learn a lesson, make it better and move on. A couple of dumb things that I did yesterday, I will not do again. Important things which shoud have been done in the first place, but wasn't informed ot didn't research. My bad. It will be done right the next time.
Drag racing 101: go fast; have fun; keep pushing for a better and more profound rush; experience the undescriable joy and rare rush; break *****; fix it; repeat; keep wanting to feel that rush again, only better. About sums it up. Kinda the thing only "true" drag racers know about. Oh yeah, it does cost money. Would rather spend it on my car than a boat or at a casino.
Tom will share the mistakes with us? There are lessons to be learned here. I know how serious you are racing.
John Nero
03-09-2009, 01:37 PM
well the heart is being pulled out tomorrow to see what happened-going with a stroker motor with the best of the best- will post picts of old motor in a few days
Blown3.8
03-09-2009, 07:48 PM
Sorry to hear this you two. I'm sure ya'll be back up and running soon.
Tom would you like me to post your 2 runs?
MarauderTJA
03-10-2009, 05:37 AM
Sorry to hear this you two. I'm sure ya'll be back up and running soon.
Tom would you like me to post your 2 runs?
I'll be looking at my motor at the end of the month. Going away for work. And sure you can post the runs Chris.
magindat
03-10-2009, 05:45 AM
If either of you guys would like me to get with Al Papito for ya, just holler. He pledged to help and discount anyone who contributed to Ed's motor. I know you both did.
MarauderTJA
03-10-2009, 05:46 AM
If either of you guys would like me to get with Al Papito for ya, just holler. He pledged to help and discount anyone who contributed to Ed's motor. I know you both did.
I do not think my motor is that serious an issue. Top end. But thanks.
magindat
03-10-2009, 05:48 AM
I do not think my motor is that serious an issue. Top end. But thanks.
Doesn't sound like it, but it sounds like John could sure use Al's services!
MarauderTJA
03-10-2009, 05:49 AM
Doesn't sound like it, but it sounds like John could sure use Al's services!
John has already committed to Mustang Specialities to build him a stroker motor. He couldn't reach AL. Too late.
How you doing buddy?
magindat
03-10-2009, 06:08 AM
John has already committed to Mustang Specialities to build him a stroker motor. He couldn't reach AL. Too late.
How you doing buddy?
Doin good. Thanx. I'll see ya'll on the 29th. WITH MY MARAUDER!
O's Fan Rich
03-10-2009, 06:13 AM
John, I'm unclear as to the "stockness" or modifcationism of the motor that broke. Was it the stock unit?
John Nero
03-10-2009, 06:28 AM
John, I'm unclear as to the "stockness" or modifcationism of the motor that broke. Was it the stock unit?
stock motor
DTRMiguel
03-10-2009, 06:42 AM
stock motor
You put 512HP and No2 to a completely stock motor? Im not buying it :shake:
You put 512HP and No2 to a completely stock motor? Im not buying it :shake:
Why? I made 520/465 with a stock motor and 14psi.
Lived just fine.
DTRMiguel
03-10-2009, 06:56 AM
Why? I made 520/465 with a stock motor and 14psi.
Lived just fine.
How long did she last?
How long did she last?
Never blew up.
I took it out and put it in another NA Marauder.
John Nero
03-10-2009, 07:10 AM
You put 512HP and No2 to a completely stock motor? Im not buying it :shake:
its all in the tuning
DTRMiguel
03-10-2009, 07:11 AM
Never blew up.
I took it out and put it in another NA Marauder.
Wow i thought 450 was the magical number :o
Blackmobile
03-10-2009, 08:43 AM
Wow i thought 450 was the magical number :o
450 in the line drawn in the sand, that doesn't mean you can't cross it.
BAD MERC
03-10-2009, 08:47 AM
Somebody was selling a motor for $1700 and that would be a cheap way to get her back on the road until your stroker is finished. I feel another motor fund coming up. Rich!!!!!! Get in here.
John Nero
03-10-2009, 09:12 AM
Somebody was selling a motor for $1700 and that would be a cheap way to get her back on the road until your stroker is finished. I feel another motor fund coming up. Rich!!!!!! Get in here.
it will be about a month for the car to be back on the road
Blackmobile
03-10-2009, 09:26 AM
it will be about a month for the car to be back on the road
Great turn around, beats mine by 2 months. You'll be back in the saddle in no time.
Ed
Great turn around, beats mine by 2 months. You'll be back in the saddle in no time.
Ed
You should have sold him your engine, then bought Todd's Turbo Marauder :up:
You should have sold him your engine, then bought Todd's Turbo Marauder :up:
+1 on that one!:D
Blackmobile
03-10-2009, 09:45 AM
You should have sold him your engine, then bought Todd's Turbo Marauder :up:
We talked about it, but John wants a beefier engine to romp on ( Including FORGED crank if I remember correctly) Anyhow, my built engine is the only thing the T trim setup won't tear up. So as it is, I have all the goodies, just no MM to put it in....at the moment.
Ed
That will change I am sure. When the horse throws you............:D
John Nero
03-10-2009, 10:19 AM
We talked about it, but John wants a beefier engine to romp on ( Including FORGED crank if I remember correctly) Anyhow, my built engine is the only thing the T trim setup won't tear up. So as it is, I have all the goodies, just no MM to put it in....at the moment.
Ed
it will have a forged crank and diamond pistons and a hi pro oil pump and more
Shora
03-10-2009, 10:32 AM
it will have a forged crank and diamond pistons and a hi pro oil pump and more
John, please give us details as the project moves along. See if they will be willing to snap some pics as the work is being done (not likely but you never know). It make spark more interest in their builds and create more business.
magindat
03-10-2009, 11:57 AM
...and create more business.
It's not always about the money.
it will have a forged crank and diamond pistons and a hi pro oil pump and more
I sure hope it has the Melling Oil pump part # 10227.
magindat
03-10-2009, 12:00 PM
Somebody was selling a motor for $1700 and that would be a cheap way to get her back on the road until your stroker is finished. I feel another motor fund coming up. Rich!!!!!! Get in here.
Kenny, I wish I had the space in my life to do it again. I would in a heartbeat if I could. I can and did offer to liason with Al.
I'd offer good luck wishes to John, but he knows what he wants and knows how to get it. He don't need luck!
John, I can't wait to see ya in the 10's!
O's Fan Rich
03-10-2009, 12:24 PM
stock motor
Impressive!
If possible can we all see what failed when it's apart?
ImpalaSlayer
03-10-2009, 01:36 PM
Impressive!
If possible can we all see what failed when it's apart?
my guess would be a rod
O's Fan Rich
03-10-2009, 01:47 PM
my guess would be A Rod
Yes, he did fail.... but were talking engines here.... not baseball!!
:D
I'm really curious about this, for real.
ImpalaSlayer
03-10-2009, 01:51 PM
Yes, he did fail.... but were talking engines here.... not baseball!!
:D
I'm really curious about this, for real.
i dont even know who your talking about.......:dunno:
Need to conme out of the closet Dave! Illegal stuff and baseball here. What about the Tigers!
Blown3.8
03-10-2009, 08:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hJmIh05TTQ
And the first run of the day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS12ApNB0Qo
http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/2hJmIh05TTQ/default.jpg
And the first run of the day.
http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/qS12ApNB0Qo/default.jpg
Could you have made the pictures any smaller. :lol:
Blown3.8
03-10-2009, 08:32 PM
Are you happy ?
Yes, I am happy now.
Talk about blowing the tires off and bouncing off the rev limiter. Holy Cow Tom, the burn out is before the tree, not after. Hope everything is ok.
FordNut
03-10-2009, 09:01 PM
Wow, Tom:
That was about a 1/8 mile burnout wasn't it?
Check your rear end, I didn't see the passenger's side spinning in the burnout box. Might have contributed to the traction problems if it didn't get good & hot in the burnout.
Good luck with the motor, probably head gaskets.
John Nero
03-11-2009, 12:43 PM
well the motor is all most out there is two holes in the block - pass side about a 2x4 inch hole and driver side a hole about the size of your thumb - we pulled a rod out of the bigger hole - there is metal throughout in intake too - should know everything tomorrow- we are going with an iron block and a 98 timing cover to put a better tenioner on - i hope the heads are good but knowing my luck that won't be so
well the motor is all most out there is two holes in the block - pass side about a 2x4 inch hole and driver side a hole about the size of your thumb - we pulled a rod out of the bigger hole - there is metal throughout in intake too - should know everything tomorrow- we are going with an iron block and a 98 timing cover to put a better tenioner on - i hope the heads are good but knowing my luck that won't be so
You must have got one of the rare blocks from Microsoft! As it has windows!:D
John Nero
03-11-2009, 12:47 PM
You must have got one of the rare blocks from Microsoft! As it has windows!:D
i think we can fix it with a little fiberglass
i think we can fix it with a little fiberglass
Or duct tape!
You must have got one of the rare blocks from Microsoft! As it has windows!:D
That there is pretty funny John.
Bill Gates wanted to look good and impress everyone with his success. He decided to measure the accomplishments of Microsoft against General Motors. The comparison went like this:
If automotive technology had kept pace with computer technology over the past few decades, you would now be driving a V-32 instead of a V-8, and it would have a top speed of 10,000 miles per hour. Or you could have an economy car that weighs 30 pounds and gets a thousand miles to a gallon of gas. In either case the sticker price of a new car would be less than $50.
In response to all this goading, GM responds: "Yes, but would you really want to drive a car that crashes twice a day?"
That there is pretty funny John.
Bill Gates wanted to look good and impress everyone with his success. He decided to measure the accomplishments of Microsoft against General Motors. The comparison went like this:
If automotive technology had kept pace with computer technology over the past few decades, you would now be driving a V-32 instead of a V-8, and it would have a top speed of 10,000 miles per hour. Or you could have an economy car that weighs 30 pounds and gets a thousand miles to a gallon of gas. In either case the sticker price of a new car would be less than $50.
In response to all this goading, GM responds: "Yes, but would you really want to drive a car that crashes twice a day?"
That is a good Merc!:D
FordNut
03-11-2009, 01:52 PM
Hopefully the heads are ok. My first blown engine windowed both sides of the block and left a couple of wrist pins laying in the burnout box. Nothing attached to them, just the wrist pins.
And Merc, I loved the microsoft one!
offroadkarter
03-11-2009, 04:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hJmIh05TTQ
What let go at the end?
John Nero
03-11-2009, 04:39 PM
What let go at the end?
a motor (you will have to ask tom)
Glenn
03-11-2009, 05:32 PM
Tom:
In the olde days before mod motors, white smoke from both dual exhaust on an auto trans was nearly always due to a ruptured trans modulator valve that allowed engine vacuum to suck trans fluid into the engine. But, I do not believe there is any vacuum line on these MM trans?? Good luck with the repair.
Glenn :burnout:
MarauderTJA
03-12-2009, 12:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hJmIh05TTQ
And the first run of the day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS12ApNB0Qo
Thanks for putting thiose up Chris. With the Nitto's I set the pressure to 16 lbs, usually haze them and at Bradenton they usually hook very well. Last year at this event I ran a 1.610 sixty foot with the Nitto DR's. These were new tires. Still was a suck burnout. But I did feel them stick (or so I thought). I cannot believe how I smoked them as far as I did. I should have let off but, noooooooooo, not me, I stick in it (probably becaused I was pi**ed). When they finally hook I took off at the big end. In retrospect, by not having a window switch the N2O was dumping in excessive amounts while bouncing off the rev limiter and probably caused the problem. It looks like the smoke starting coming out at around the 1000' mark.
Later, oil pressure was fine, no water in the oil and the car runs fine. But boy is she smoking. Your right Glenn, I thought maybe it was tranny fluid, and/or the SC seal blew out causing the smoke. Turns out the SC is fine. It could be a head gasket Brian, but my guess the problem is in the heads somewhere, possibly dumping oil into the valley causing the smoke. We'll see in a couple of weeks when I get home from this road trip. It will be back up and at-em in a few weeks. AND a window switch will be installed AND I will never race the car again without slicks. Way too much power for the Nitto's now. If I had been in a class where I could have used the slicks (not in True Street) this would have never happened. True street class is history for me as well. A good thing, the first run was another 10.4 @ 135 like my run at the SSHS8. Car is consistant, I just have to be:rolleyes:.
I'll let everyone know what happened once I get the motor out.
I don think you have too much power for drag radials Tom, you just need BFG's. Afterall there are 7 second cars with drag radials.
Good luck with the fix!
Chin up Tom, everything will be ok. You are right about the limitations of drag radials. Riding down the track feeling the jelly donuts wobble is no fun. Sometimes you just got to grab that bull and ride it. Cheers my friend. :beer:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/sporkmonki/BULLRIDING.jpg
MarauderTJA
03-12-2009, 12:30 PM
I don think you have too much power for drag radials Tom, you just need BFG's. Afterall there are 7 second cars with drag radials.
Good luck with the fix!
I'll keep the drag radials for the street from now on. Your right on 7 second cars with drag radials Zack, but they don't weigh in at 4500 lbs with driver and a half a tank of C-16:eek:.
My mechanic, his assistant and I are getting really proficient at taking the motor out from the bottom of the car. With three of us, 30 minutes and she is out. She be fixed soon enough.:beer:
MarauderTJA
03-12-2009, 12:33 PM
Chin up Tom, everything will be ok. You are right about the limitations of drag radials. Riding down the track feeling the jelly donuts wobble is no fun. Sometimes you just got to grab that bull and ride it. Cheers my friend. :beer:
Thanks Merc, good seeing you again. Now that picture is just not right......................... ..........
MarauderTJA
03-12-2009, 12:37 PM
Wow, Tom:
That was about a 1/8 mile burnout wasn't it?
Check your rear end, I didn't see the passenger's side spinning in the burnout box. Might have contributed to the traction problems if it didn't get good & hot in the burnout.
Good luck with the motor, probably head gaskets.
I am going to check everything including the rear. Yeah it at least looked impressive going down the 1/8th smoking the tires:lol:. I have to keep a sense of humor with all this, otherwise I'll buy another go-fast boat:shake:. And they are more expensive than these cars to maintain for racing. It is this I have to go fast thing. My wife says I am sick.. She is right............
Tom did you talk to her about the bull riding yet!!!!!!!!!:flamer:
MarauderTJA
03-12-2009, 12:45 PM
Tom did you talk to her about the bull riding yet!!!!!!!!!:flamer:
Ahhhh John.........not with her:D. She could be the tow person for your GM. Merc will hook you up.
That thing would need a lot of FUEL!!!! :D
John Nero
03-12-2009, 01:36 PM
well the motor is out and the car is back at my warehouse - they will pull the motor apart tomorrow
StevenJ
03-13-2009, 12:30 PM
John, you've said it yourself you were putting a lot of pressure into that motor. I'm sorry to hear that it happened. You going to get a cast iron block for the next motor? Good luck with it.
John Nero
03-13-2009, 12:44 PM
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/1/medium/IMG_0989.JPG (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/15365)
John Nero
03-13-2009, 12:45 PM
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/1/medium/IMG_0988.JPG (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/15364)
O's Fan Rich
03-13-2009, 01:47 PM
OHHHHHH!!!!! WHACK!!!!
How much PSI, John?
Marauderjack
03-13-2009, 01:52 PM
UGLY!!!!:eek:
FordNut
03-13-2009, 02:01 PM
Looks like you'll be needing an oil pan too.
ImpalaSlayer
03-13-2009, 02:01 PM
:drop: :eek: damnnnnnnnnnnnnn
John Nero
03-13-2009, 07:38 PM
Looks like you'll be needing an oil pan too.
we are only hoping to save the heads- everything else become junk
Nice job on the block John! I take it you are one of those folks that doesn't do anything half-way! :D
Keep us posted on the rebuild!
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