Naz intake write up

[ImpalaSlayer]

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Originally Posted by ImpalaSlayer

hey gang i got my intake from Naz a few days ago and took the time to install it today (90 mins).

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I can see a definite need for a JLT or some other oil separator. That intake should be squeaky clean and isn't. I think this is typical for MM's.

I was suprised how dirty mine was. New intake probably makes more vaccume - more mess. What do you think - gonna add one?

BTW nice writeup! What are those selling for again?

yeah im debating adding one or not. i paid 900 bucks for this one

[Vortech347]

Originally Posted by Glenn

We owe it to members of this site to inform them so they do not spend needless money on mods that really do not improve your HP or performance. There is such a thing as cost vs. performance. TBs fail the test as does this new IT at $900.

Glenn Ford

WTF happend to be happy for your fellow MMer.

I would say as an MMer you FAIL in team player.

[merc]

[quote=babbage;757156]

Originally Posted by ImpalaSlayer

hey gang i got my intake from Naz a few days ago and took the time to install it today (90 mins).



I can see a definite need for a JLT or some other oil separator. That intake should be squeaky clean and isn't. I think this is typical for MM's.

I was suprised how dirty mine was. New intake probably makes more vaccume - more mess. What do you think - gonna add one?

BTW nice writeup! What are those selling for again?

90 percent of all N/A and S/C Marauder look like your intake. I installed a JLT Pre filter and catch can a couple of weeks again. The catch can is doing it's job. I will not have the final results till I take off the blower next year and examine the intake valley.

[FordNut]

Originally Posted by Vortech347

With all of the R&D thats been done with his work I wouldn't use the word useless. I mean come on. Do you have a 10 second N/A modular that makes 500+rwhp? The one thing that royally pisses me off about this forum is when people come on with good info that have the criteria to back it up get drilled by folks instead of soaking it in and learning. Do you want slayer to rub his stomache and say "rubber baby bumpers" while dynoing after the car has been blessed in a sterile invironment? This is the ONLY forum of the dozens I'm on I see improvements ridiculed.

If you wana doubt it and want to tear it apart by one yourself and do it on your own dime.

I already have a Naz ported lower on my Whippled car. Do you have his intake work on your car?

You miss the whole point. You weren't here in the day, when everybody would try this and that, say yeah it's great, lots more power. Doubters would ask for proof, so the before/after process became the norm. That's how we know, for sure, the underdrives are good for 10-15 hp. The electric water pump is good for 10 hp. The Kooks headers are good for 40-50 hp. I just didn't see the gains Naz claimed for the Marauder dyno charts.

It would be nice to see somebody to an accurate comparison, that's all I'm saying. I know Naz did the best he could, he's not a tuner and didn't have access to the transmission controls to lock the converter and gear. Just looks like somebody would want to see for sure what they got for that much money.

[FordNut]

Originally Posted by ImpalaSlayer

Brian i have a b4 dyno so i have some thing to compare it to. i just stoped my the place where its going to be tuned. im just gona get a pull no tune some time this week. i lost those little key ways the first time i pulled it off what do they even do?

Great, I'm anxious to see the before/after. Good luck on hitting 325-330 rwhp, that's about what it's gonna take.

The little keys are to make sure the witers go on in the correct alignment. If they're off by a tooth either way they will be in the wrong place when they are turned off and you'll have to pull it back off and re-adjust the position. Some folks have done this on purpose, so it's no big deal if they're missing.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Originally Posted by FordNut

Great, I'm anxious to see the before/after. Good luck on hitting 325-330 rwhp, that's about what it's gonna take.

The little keys are to make sure the witers go on in the correct alignment. If they're off by a tooth either way they will be in the wrong place when they are turned off and you'll have to pull it back off and re-adjust the position. Some folks have done this on purpose, so it's no big deal if they're missing.

hmm havent had that happen yet.

my previous dyno was 271/292 so we will see. i may also have trouble locking it in third as this guy has never tuned my car.

[RR|Suki]

Originally Posted by ImpalaSlayer

hmm havent had that happen yet.

my previous dyno was 271/292 so we will see. i may also have trouble locking it in third as this guy has never tuned my car.

If he has ever tuned a mustang etc. with our EEC it shouldn't be a problem for him to lock it in 3rd it'll be all good

[Paul T. Casey]

Re.: Dyno numbers.

While the dyno provides some before/after information, it isn't really the be-all, end-all. I measured my gains by the little white pieces of paper the nice person in the little shack hands me. There's alot of variables that come into play with dynos, weather, tire pressure, roller weight, operator skill, etc. I personally like to use a combination of dyno, timeslip, and owner SOTP for modification evaluation. Brian, I remeber some of those arguments from the old days. I thought they were silly then as I still do today. Some of my biggest mod decisions were made after trying them in Todd's car. Best of both worlds to me. Got to see if I liked it, and didn't have to purchase anything I didn't like.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Originally Posted by Paul T. Casey

Re.: Dyno numbers.

While the dyno provides some before/after information, it isn't really the be-all, end-all. I measured my gains by the little white pieces of paper the nice person in the little shack hands me. There's alot of variables that come into play with dynos, weather, tire pressure, roller weight, operator skill, etc. I personally like to use a combination of dyno, timeslip, and owner SOTP for modification evaluation. Brian, I remeber some of those arguments from the old days. I thought they were silly then as I still do today. Some of my biggest mod decisions were made after trying them in Todd's car. Best of both worlds to me. Got to see if I liked it, and didn't have to purchase anything I didn't like.

one step at a time my man, ill be going to the track this Wed. to see whats what. although its much warmer now

[FormulaMarauder]

Good luck, kid. Prove the naysayers wrong

[SID210SA]

I have a real world example for you.....Bad Five O and I were rolling on a private track and from a 60mph start he pulled on me and just kept going leaving me to lick my wounds....he has NAZ's intake and a JLT....I have the JLT and Lidio tune....by the time we hit 90-95 he had about 5 carlengths or better one me!!

[nazman]

Nice write up!

Glenn/Ford Nut,

We did just want you are asking. An intake for intake swap. No tuning, same day, within 30 minutes, intake swap and dyno run. Yes, we did not logged AFR or locked the tranny. But the dyno was a quick idea right after my Army Retirement ceremony, and it was a very last minute thing (means not-planned).

We provided what the Ported Short Runner intake could provide for a STOCK Marauder.

I will love you to “quote” me, when I advertized specific gains? When I talk about my intakes, Im very much humble as far as power production. I don’t like to over sell you anything.

Any time I have talked about power gains, I have said so at an specific RPM or RPM range. Not “at old peak RPM” or any of the like.

The dyno sheet I provided, was to provide you guys with a quick idea of what the intake could provide. Remember, this is on a completely stock motor, exhaust, no tune etc….and these gains were OVER an already ported intake. Gains over a stock intake would have been much larger.

To prove you wrong over a “questionable mod”?

What is that supposed to mean? Questionable? LOL!!!

Gains are there! Big Gains that is. Tell me about a SINGLE bolt-on, one single specific part, that will deliver the gains that the ported short runner deliver on an NA car! You will not find a single part that will match the intake. Not one!

As an example, give me a single mod part that will deliver 52RWHP GAINs over the part that it will replace on a 4V motor? We gained 52RWHP on a FR500 cams equipped Mach 1 (same motor as yours) @ 6750RPMs!!!!!! With gains of 12RWHP by ~5500 RPMs ! OVER A PORTED INTAKE!

Remember this man: The Marauders are not the only cars equipped with the Modular 4V! We at Nazty have done over 80 ported intakes and we are working on our 20th ported short runner intake. As an enthusiast my self, Ill NOT sell you something that I would not run on my own car and KNOW that it will deliver gains. There are a bunch of 99-01 and 03-04 Mach running my ported short runners and standard runner intakes! NA, Nitrous, Turbo and Supercharged!

No worries, more dyno will follow on the Marauder, don’t be surprised when you see the power gains with exhaust, and tune!
If you guys dont like what you see....then keep your stock intakes lol! No worries there brothers! I really dont make much on these intakes, they are CNC machined (very expensive), custom specific to your combination runner lenghts (very expensive since you dont mass produce, and they are one off), lots of QUALITY TIG welding! and overall over 40 hours of work invested in each and everyone of these bad boys!

Not doing this for the "money"!

Naz

[nazman]

Originally Posted by FordNut

I already have a Naz ported lower on my Whippled car. Do you have his intake work on your car?

You miss the whole point. You weren't here in the day, when everybody would try this and that, say yeah it's great, lots more power. Doubters would ask for proof, so the before/after process became the norm. That's how we know, for sure, the underdrives are good for 10-15 hp. The electric water pump is good for 10 hp. The Kooks headers are good for 40-50 hp. I just didn't see the gains Naz claimed for the Marauder dyno charts.

It would be nice to see somebody to an accurate comparison, that's all I'm saying. I know Naz did the best he could, he's not a tuner and didn't have access to the transmission controls to lock the converter and gear. Just looks like somebody would want to see for sure what they got for that much money.

UD Pulleys worth 10-15HP? EPW 10? and Headers 40-50??????????????

Sorry, but I will LOVE to see dyno chart for those gains! lol!

My own testing and dyno: EPW ~3HP, UD ~8HP, Headers ~10-12HP

I dont want to turn this into a you say, I say. Again, let the dyno/track speak of them self...I have sold over 100 intakes not because he said/I said...but because of the dyno/track performance!

Go to SVTP, or ModFords and just search.......

Naz

[Dragcity]

Naz, I think you're doing good stuff here. Really, I do. I would love to run one of your intakes, they make good sense.

The headers on our Marauders are over 12 HP gain though. And I am sure your intakes will play well with them.

Stay positive and keep up the good work.

[Paul T. Casey]

Originally Posted by nazman

UD Pulleys worth 10-15HP? EPW 10? and Headers 40-50??????????????

Sorry, but I will LOVE to see dyno chart for those gains! lol!

My own testing and dyno: EPW ~3HP, UD ~8HP, Headers ~10-12HP

I dont want to turn this into a you say, I say. Again, let the dyno/track speak of them self...I have sold over 100 intakes not because he said/I said...but because of the dyno/track performance!

Go to SVTP, or ModFords and just search.......

Naz

Naz, I'm on your side, but Brian is about right with those numbers. We tend to measure RWHP here. IIRC, back in the day, u/d's freed 10 to 15hp on just about everyone, I personally gained .5 sec with the exhaust (I believe Brian meant the complete package, not just headers), dyno numbers were generally in the 45 hp range. Don't know enough about ewp's to speak pro or con. The other variable not mentioined is we also did post install dyno tuning to optimize the upgrades. I must say, I am very interested in seeing how much gain we get from your product. Even the numbers you state (which seem low to me, but I'm no expert) make this product seem right for those of us who prefer to go NA. I'm saving my pennies and saving my dimes. For I know there will be a time. When I'll buy me a brand new (can't seem to make short runner intake rhyme)