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    [quote]"Your Setina bar says the opposite. It says "don't you even think about it!"

    I suppose it's right and proper to put up a warning to potential trespassers, that's exactly why we put up fences. Guess I just can't see such a warning necessary on my Marauder.

    That said, it looks good.".......Hey, that's it-"don't even think about it"! And "a warning to potential tresspassers"
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    Frank,

    I would put one on my car but the Mrs. won't have it. The only reason I would do it is just the one that you cited. To increase "the Crown Vic Effect." (CVE)

    I just LOVE the CVE! There is no greater pleasuer than to be able to see all of those idiots who woud not otherwise move to the right actually move right. It really is too bad that there is little to no obedience or enforcement of this law.

    Anyway, I bet they RACE to get out of your way, now, huh?

    Nice mod, Frank.

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    I live near Frank and have seen his car. He just loves to modify it and doesn't get too hung up on removing this or modifying that to make one of his mods work.

    He has done one mod that has given his car an infrared display for night vision. To make it work he had to sacrfice his front grill emblem. While what he installed in its place is very practical I wouldn't score it high on appearance. Still, it is the kind of mod that Frank would do and he loves it.

    His car has lots of other interesting little tweaks to it that make it Franks.

    I guess what I am saying is that I can vouch for Frank and his reasons. He views modding his car a little differently than you or I but don't we all? I hope so.

    Again, nice mod, Frank.

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    Way back when

    Well putting a push bar on a $35,000 car would be the last thing I would do I just want to let you know who was the first.Santino was the first late model Marauder to start hanging at Wild Woody`s back in 2003 along with Larry(Merc406)Larry Cumph(02 LX Sport) and myself(02LX Sport) this was the early beginnings of what would later become the Motor City Marauders.He also took it the next step by putting on steel cop rims,fake antennas,and even had a Mich.plate that said "Unit32".Anyway he was also the first to get rid of his Marauder getting a `04 Mustang Cobra later that summer.Just a little history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hack Goby
    Well putting a push bar on a $35,000 car would be the last thing I would do I just want to let you know who was the first.Santino was the first late model Marauder to start hanging at Wild Woody`s back in 2003 along with Larry(Merc406)Larry Cumph(02 LX Sport) and myself(02LX Sport) this was the early beginnings of what would later become the Motor City Marauders.He also took it the next step by putting on steel cop rims,fake antennas,and even had a Mich.plate that said "Unit32".Anyway he was also the first to get rid of his Marauder getting a `04 Mustang Cobra later that summer.Just a little history.
    Looks like LEO wanna-be's..... I get enough people moving out of my lane without a push bar. Some can't move fast enough..... but, to each his own.....
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    I don't get it either. Its not my car and we're each different. But, making your car look like a CVPI and saying it looks good is like someone walking up to me and saying they just bought the sexiest looking shovel they've ever seen. They're both utilitarian in my mind and don't have anything pleasing to the eye to me. If you're looking for the "CVE," it seems to me that you are looking for some sort of power trip and have an uncontrollable need to be in control. But, I'm no psychiatrist. I'm just an idiot with a computer. Add me to the list of those who don't get it.

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    here are some long distance pics, enjoy!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SergntMac
    Thanks for the pics, they explain a lot of stuff. Everything looks good. Solid, tight, strong...Ready. A very clean install, and without much upset to OEM structures at all. I like your presentation, a Marauder with some teeth, but I must add regrets too.

    I don't get the "why" of this, and your reasoning falls short. I'm sure you know exactly "why" in your heart, and I am not asking you to explain that, but it all looks so ready for a road fight.

    Maybe that's it?

    Maybe we look at other motorist in traffic with us differently?

    I wait for a first transgression, maybe a second transgression too, before someone "spoils" my highway drive space. Much like "spit in my eye first", then let me at them, eh?

    Your Setina bar says the opposite. It says "don't you even think about it!"

    I suppose it's right and proper to put up a warning to potential trespassers, that's exactly why we put up fences. Guess I just can't see such a warning necessary on my Marauder.

    That said, it looks good.

    Happy Motoring...
    Funny, I was thinking about this, I kind of like the look, and being removable you can ditch it if you get tired of it. I for one was washing my car and found some tool hit my car - my license plate is dented. I have also found 2 "dings" probably from door hits. (By "tool" I do not mean a Craftsman!!!)

    I park as far away and take two spots whenever possible. At my apartment complex I park near a curb and have my '90 Mustang protecting the other side. Even with all this I get bumped and find dings.

    Our fellow motorists are down right savages when it comes to cars. The majority of them could care less of a ding, scratch or dent in their own cars and think even less of others.

    My next plan is to put a large CONE in front of my MM when it's parked at the apartment.

    My plans after that is to buy a beater, park the car at my parents house under a cover and drive it only on weekends. After that my plan is to purchase a house of my own and do the same thing there.

    One of my thoughts is that something like this would give protection from people backing into the front of the car. I've had it happen to me, so I thought of it before anyone else even mentioned it.

    At the same time, I think I see the point you are trying to make. You're making a point that putting one of these on your MM is done with the intent of inciting more fear on the highway...maybe making our cars look more like LEO's. I'm sure it would have this effect, and I must admit, it's sort of appealing.

    My dad has a black CVPI, ex-undercover car. I drove it when my Grand Am was in the shop before I got the Marauder. It was definitely a neat experience, it was amazing how civil my fellow drivers were around me when I drove that car.

    When I got the Marauder I quickly realized it had a similar effect, though somewhat diluted.

    While I don't feel I've gained any sort of "power" necessarily, I can say this is the first car I've owned that I've noticed a VERY LARGE drop in being tailgated, cut off, passed agressively, or treated poorly on the road.

    That being said, it's probably one of the safer cars I've driven for this reason.

    Adding a push bar might make it look more like a LEO, and maybe there is question as to the motives of why you would do this, but I believe as long as you aren't trying to access some sort of law enforcement "power" that isnt' there, it's not such a bad thing and may even add to the safety of the road and the drivers around you purely by them being unsure what this black cop-car looking thing really is.

    My point is, so long as you aren't abusing a power that isn't there, it shouldn't be such a bad thing. As for making the car look more intimidating, yes it does that, and that too is not necessarily a bad thing - people have been making their cars look more intimidating for years. In this case the "intimidating" factor says "if I speed near this guy I may get a ticket" whereas the "intimidating" factor on many other cars says either "go ahead, race me" or "look at my funny and I'll run you off the road."

    So perhaps it's also a more 'healthy' form of intimidation.

    All this being said, I'm considering getting one of these for my dad's b-day for his CVPI. This will make his ex-cop car look even more like a cop car I guess. I think it might look cool on his CVPI.

    My question is this - am I completely way off? Is putting something on the car that makes it look more agressive or more like a cop car really that bad?

    Along the same lines I often attend the local shooting range for target practice. I usually rent a handgun, sometimes I bring my dad's. One of the sillouette targets I have that was shot particuarly well hangs on my wall. At night if my shades are up you can easily see it walking by my aparment. (I often leave the shades up for my dog when I am gone.)

    I feel it's not such a bad thing - a would-be theif might think twice about robbing from me, even though I do not have a firearm in my apartment. (I do own one gun, a small 22-rifle that is kept with my parents....oh and a paintball gun but that isn't a firearm so much as an airarm, lol!)

    Sorry to just rant on, I'm just curious if that's the thought pattern here. If so, thats my opinion on it - it's not so bad so long as it's not abused. For that matter, it could be healthy. So long as you aren't trying to pull people over or ram them off the road, one of these push bars has the potential of making the road around you a bit safer, plus keep morons from backing into your car and damaging your bumper.



    As for the look, I do like it personally, and so long as it's only a bolt on peice and can be removed it's something I actually would consider. I don't think it's something I'd like to see as a permanent fixture to a MM, but it's got a cool look for sure, and when the time ISNT right it could be taken off.

    As for my rant, it's not really a rant and I'm certainly not bashing anyone, but while many can debate the aesthetics of these push bars I don't think there is some sort of evilness invovled with having one, so long as it isn't abused.

    Just my $0.02...

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    The R&L rear doors on my MM have stickers on the stationary glass: "Warning! Driver only carries $20 worth of ammunition". The push bar and cop wheels-I like the look. A target full of holes left on the dash (as a windshield shade?) would be a crowning touch on my Michigan Militia Staff car. I've been riding motorcycles since the early 70's and have about 200,000 miles on them. I still don't get "Harleys" even though I owned and rode one for 2 years. Whatever someone wants to do to a Harley or a MM is fine with me. We have a law in Michigan that the left lane is for passing and we are not supposed to pass on the right. It is ignored by many drivers and especially on the freeway, as I'm sure it is in other states. A friend of mine worked out of the Jackson, MI state police post and drove one of the Interceptor Mustangs. He would park on the freeway entrance ramps looking for drivers blocking traffic in the left lane and go after them. I'm sure most got a well deserved ticket.
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    I have thought about adding a pushbar to my CVs and Marauder from time to time. If I ever install one, it'll be a well used "beat up" looking one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckadiddle
    I have thought about adding a pushbar to my CVs and Marauder from time to time. If I ever install one, it'll be a well used "beat up" looking one.
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    Push bars will end up doing more damage FYI. We have had a couple crusers

    totaled just because it had a push bar on it. (Bent frame etc.) You could

    always buy a $3,000 used cop car and throw a bar on that as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marauder2005
    Push bars will end up doing more damage FYI. We have had a couple crusers

    totaled just because it had a push bar on it. (Bent frame etc.)
    That doesn't surprise me to hear that. I don't think there's anything "intimidating" about the looks of a push bar on the front of your car at all. Nor do I believe that anyone else feels intimidated by it either. The only reason it might get their attention is the likelyhood of them wondering if you're a cop. But as far as the pushbar itself goes, there wouldn't be any reason for people to think that you're actually going to use it to push them off of the road. Unless ofcourse you are a cop, and they engage in a high speed pursuit. And I've never heard anyone say....."Yeah, when his lightbar and siren went on, I was going to hit the gas and run from him, but then I noticed that push bar, and I decided that it would be too dangerous for me to run from him since he has that, so that's when I decided to pull over".....

    Okay, so what's my point? My point is that the bottom line is that people who install these push bars on their cars want them to look like cop cars. I can't see it being for any other reason, since nobody in their right mind is going to actually believe that you're going to ram into their car just because you don't like the way that they drive. Me personally? I don't want my car looking like a cop car anymore than it already does. When I look in the rearview mirror, and see a few cars slowing down and congregating behind me on the highway, and it becomes obvious that they're afraid to pass me in fear of me being a cop, then I just open it up a little bit, but only for a second or two just so they can hear my headers and exhaust, so then they know I'm not a cop. And then they usually proceed to pass me.

    I've always liked Crown Vics, but not because they look like cop cars. I like Crown Vics and especially Marauders, because of their body style. I think that the guys who like Crown Vics just because they look like cop cars, must want people to think that they're cops. And I just cannot relate to that. Why would you want people to think you're a cop if you're not? Is it some type of power trip? Anyway, that isn't for me.

    I guess if you install a push bar on your Marauder, then why wouldn't you want to remove the mag wheels and the polished exhaust tips? Why not go all the way and really make it look like a cop car if that's what you're into?

    I mean absolutley no disrespect to Frank (aka "Ultravorx"). I've met him, and he's a great guy, and neither Frank, nor anyone has to explain any of their tastes to me as far as I'm concerned. I'm just expressing the fact that I cannot even begin to relate to a desire for a push bar. But hey, that's me. Now I know why people on the LS1tech.com board were implying last week that us Marauder owners are wanna-be cops just because of the way our cars look. At first I was very surprised to read that, but now I understand why they do.

    They're stereotyping all of us because some of us apparently are like that. To each their own I guess. No offense Frank. Just sharing my viewpoint and tastes concerning our Marauders. Just like you were. Having met you, I really do think you're a great guy, and I had a really good time talking with you. I also admire you for the fact that you know a lot more about electrical stuff and electronics than I ever will. I just don't share your tastes I guess. I hope you continue to enjoy your car my friend.

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    Good post Billy.

    Remind those on LS1tech.com board that there are still many Caprice and Impala SS's of that genre, owners who are 'wanna-be cops' just because of the way their cars look. (although that is dimishing as are their cars)

    If someone wants to put a push bar/brush bar on the front of their Marauder it's up to them, they can fill their boots.
    I don't buy that its to prevent dents and digs though, thats just too extreme a reason.

    Believe me, there is no such thing as a 'CVE' It's a myth. Kind of a 'Walter Mitty' thing. Walts do believe in it though.

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