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    In many states, their computer now recognises when an I/M monitor is turned off, as opposed to one that is Incomplete or Not Ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RF Overlord View Post
    In many states, their computer now recognises when an I/M monitor is turned off, as opposed to one that is Incomplete or Not Ready.

    so if the catalyst monitor and the evap sys mon say incomplete the car still fails?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VMARAUDER View Post

    so if the catalyst monitor and the evap sys mon say incomplete the car still fails?

    Correct sir.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VMARAUDER View Post
    so if the catalyst monitor and the evap sys mon say incomplete the car still fails?
    Depends on the state. In MA, you can have one incomplete monitor as long as it isn't the catalyst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RF Overlord View Post
    Depends on the state. In MA, you can have one incomplete monitor as long as it isn't the catalyst.
    What if they detect something turned off? guys with headers and EGR delete as example?
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    Then it fails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RF Overlord View Post
    Then it fails.
    I don't feel I'm hijacking the thread, since the OP problem started with emissions testing detecting a tuning issue.
    This is devastating to the modified tuning world!
    Plugging in the OBD2 port and finding no codes isn't enough to pass, they must see all systems tuned 'on' and functioning.
    If you eliminate O2 sensors and EGR for headers and turn them off in the tune, you can no longer pass emissions.
    Guys will have to reinstall emmisions components and put the tune back to 'stock' in order to pass.
    This could be impossible in some cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chief455 View Post
    I don't feel I'm hijacking the thread, since the OP problem started with emissions testing detecting a tuning issue.
    This is devastating to the modified tuning world!
    Plugging in the OBD2 port and finding no codes isn't enough to pass, they must see all systems tuned 'on' and functioning.
    If you eliminate O2 sensors and EGR for headers and turn them off in the tune, you can no longer pass emissions.
    Guys will have to reinstall emmisions components and put the tune back to 'stock' in order to pass.
    This could be impossible in some cases.

    Hence why they are testing this way. Their just being thorough like we are at our jobs so I get it. What's funny is you will not take the gear head out of us. Instead you will be seeing a lot more older, much faster, much much more polluting older fun cars getting built at an alarming rate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by justbob View Post
    Hence why they are testing this way. Their just being thorough like we are at our jobs so I get it. What's funny is you will not take the gear head out of us. Instead you will be seeing a lot more older, much faster, much much more polluting older fun cars getting built at an alarming rate.
    Yup, until they force us to get them tested as well.
    I'm keeping my OBD1 car now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chief455 View Post
    If you eliminate O2 sensors and EGR for headers and turn them off in the tune, you can no longer pass emissions.
    Guys will have to reinstall emmisions components and put the tune back to 'stock' in order to pass.
    This could be impossible in some cases.
    Bingo. I believe Brad (PonyUP) can testify to this.
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    Generally how long does if take to complete a drive cycle?
    Is it time or mileage?
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    Here is a link to the Ford readiness procedure

    http://www.obdii.com/drivecycleford.html

    My MM failed emission because the battery went dead which, I assume, reset the ECM. I just drove it normally for two or three days and got it reinspected. All the readiness monitors were OK. In N.C. your only allowed one readiness monitor to be "not ready".
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    Mine took damn near four days of misc errands. I just kept checking my scanner till I was good and ran it right on thru. Decent scanners that also check monitors are cheap and are a must have!


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    Yeah...errands. I hate errands but if that's what it take then errands it will be. I have been waiting for that drive cycle to complete since Sunday. But I have been doing mostly highway driving. I have til end of July so I guess by then it will complete. If not I will be selling...not really
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    Quote Originally Posted by justbob View Post
    Mine took damn near four days of misc errands. I just kept checking my scanner till I was good and ran it right on thru. Decent scanners that also check monitors are cheap and are a must have!


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