Naz intake write up

[musclemerc]

Originally Posted by Zack

The problem is simple:
Most members here do not stray onto the mustang forums like Myself and others do.
If they did, they would know that Naz is a hero on those forums and has put out a proven product for years and has a HUGE following with satisfied customers.

There is life outside of MM.net, go explore it!

Well said Zack, i've read about his work for more than a year now and never saw a bad post about his work or a customer that he did'nt make happy. Keep it up Naz man!

[nazman]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Naz:

If one of your IT pushes a MM into the 12.9s you will be a hero. You make a beautiful product with fine workmanship. But, I honestly believe the money is better spent on UDP and EWP. UDP and EWP will get you the same HP results for less money and the engine will rev much quicker and provide greater track results. I have both mods and they work very well. But, if money is no object and I had an olde guy continuously tell me that it is fruitless to try and break into the NA 12.9s then I would buy your IT to shut him up. But, I am still talking.

Glenn Ford

Glenn,

Show me where an UD Pulley and EPW will gain 52RWHP @ 6800RPMs. Ill give you a free intake.

It has been documented 100s of times: EPW = ~3RWHP, UDP ~8RWHP

The Marauders are not the only 4Vs running those mods. We have been running them on the 4Vs since 1996 on our beloved 4Vs!

Glenn,

My standard ported intakes (ported/TIG) have been documented over and over again, to yeild .2ths and 3MPH gains! Its not always about peak numbers but the meat is really: Area under the curve!

I understand and by reading your post, I see are not just an NA guy and that is just fine brother. There are others who make your power levels all motor.

Not everyone needs a blower. I run all motor and will kill and destroy 99% of all cars roaming the streets!

We will have track times of a Nazty PSR here very soon....no worries. We will do a stock intake do 2 passes back to back, swap intakes AT THE TRACK (just for you) and follow up with 2 passes with a Nazty ported short runner. No tuning, nothing so it will as fair as it can be, that means that the Nazty Ported Short Runner tune will not be optimized...just for you we will be on a disanvantage.

I know that no test is 100% and Im not a scientist, nor claim to be one but you and others will always cry about this and that, just like the dyno we posted...but hey, this is a forum and people post thier opinions.

More to come!

Naz

PS. and Ill take your $100.00 bucks brother!

[Dobs]

Originally Posted by nazman

We will have track times of a Nazty PSR here very soon....no worries. We will do a stock intake do 2 passes back to back, swap intakes AT THE TRACK (just for you) and follow up with 2 passes with a Nazty ported short runner. No tuning, nothing so it will as fair as it can be, that means that the Nazty Ported Short Runner tune will not be optimized...just for you we will be on a disanvantage.

Sweet!

[Glenn]

You have a nice product - but no hero for 20 HP and $900. I can read Dyno charts too and have been on many Mustang sites. I have personally seen before and after dyno runs on EWPs and UDP - I know what they can do - on the dyno and track. I also ran them in my MM. They are worth 18-20 HP. If you run 12s with an IT NA then you have proven your point. But, until then give me my EWP and UDP for a NA and I'll beat your IT.

Good Luck - I don't see it happening.

Glenn Ford

[Zack]

Originally Posted by Glenn

You have a nice product - but no hero for 20 HP and $900. I can read Dyno charts too and have been on many Mustang sites. I have personally seen before and after dyno runs on EWPs and UDP - I know what they can do - on the dyno and track. I also ran them in my MM. They are worth 18-20 HP. If you run 12s with an IT NA then you have proven your point. But, until then give me my EWP and UDP for a NA and I'll beat your IT.

Good Luck - I don't see it happening.

Glenn Ford

Glenn, no disrespect, but you are wrong.
Stop now, before you look like a real dummy.

[babbage]

Originally Posted by Zack

Glenn, no disrespect, but you are wrong.
Stop now, before you look like a real dummy.

I think we are past that point already.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Originally Posted by babbage

I think we are past that point already.

least for me anyway

[Blackened300a]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I have personally seen before and after dyno runs on EWPs and UDP - I know what they can do - on the dyno and track. I also ran them in my MM. They are worth 18-20 HP. If you run 12s with an IT NA then you have proven your point. But, until then give me my EWP and UDP for a NA and I'll beat your IT.

Glenn, 18-20HP at the flywheel Ill agree, at the rear wheels its no more then 10 rwhp. They make a nice difference but 18-20rwhp would be like 60 hp gain at the flywheel.

[takedown]

Nazman I'm glad you're here. If only I was rich!

[Bradley G]

I'll go with the 10 + RWHP gain with UD's and a elec. water pump.
Please show me how 18-20 RWHP = 60 hp at the crank

Originally Posted by Blackened300a

Glenn, 18-20HP at the flywheel Ill agree, at the rear wheels its no more then 10 rwhp. They make a nice difference but 18-20rwhp would be like 60 hp gain at the flywheel.

[FordNut]

Originally Posted by Blackened300a

Glenn, 18-20HP at the flywheel Ill agree, at the rear wheels its no more then 10 rwhp. They make a nice difference but 18-20rwhp would be like 60 hp gain at the flywheel.

I did before/after dyno test one time with the EWP, it made 10 hp difference.

I did before/after dyno test at another time with the UDP, it also made 10 hp difference.

Add them together and it's about 20 hp.

Originally Posted by Bradley G

I'll go with the 10 + RWHP gain with UD's and a elec. water pump.
Please show me how 18-20 RWHP = 60 hp at the crank

Me too. I'd imagine 18-20 at the wheels is maybe 25 or so at the crank. But 60??? Somebody's math is hosed up.

[Blackened300a]

Originally Posted by Bradley G

I'll go with the 10 + RWHP gain with UD's and a elec. water pump.
Please show me how 18-20 RWHP = 60 hp at the crank

So exactly how much HP at the crank would be needed to put down 18-20 horse power at the rear wheels??

Originally Posted by FordNut

IMe too. I'd imagine 18-20 at the wheels is maybe 25 or so at the crank. But 60??? Somebody's math is hosed up.

So what you are saying is that I could make an extra 18-20 RWHP by adding just 25hp to the crank? These engine are supposed to make 302hp at the crank but only 242-245 of it ever make it to the wheels.

[sd8683]

Originally Posted by Blackened300a

So exactly how much HP at the crank would be needed to put down 18-20 horse power at the rear wheels??




So what you are saying is that I could make an extra 18-20 RWHP by adding just 25hp to the crank? These engine are supposed to make 302hp at the crank but only 242-245 of it ever make it to the wheels.

From what I have been told, you lose 20% from the crank to the wheels.

[Blackened300a]

Originally Posted by sd8683

From what I have been told, you lose 20% from the crank to the wheels.

Yes 15-20% lost from the crank to the rear wheels, but according to them if you bolt on a part thats advertised at 12hp you get a full 10hp to the rear wheels.

But hey, its my math thats hosed up.

[Glenn]

Naz:

People are hung up on HP gains and not real world track performance. I am into track performance not HP. The IT Dyno does not show HP below 4,150 rpm. This is where you launch your MM and win or lose at the 1/4 mile. What are the HP gains at launch?? I do not necessarily go with the total HP under the dyno curve analysis to sell a mod - I also look at peak HP at rpms. I am not alone in this view. A 0.2 reduction in the 1/4 is not enough to sell this mod for the money unless you are at 13.2 sec.

If another lower HP mod(s) can get a MM off the line quickly (at half the cost) - your IT will have to run him down at the end of the track. Remember a 0.1 sec reduction in 60' time is worth 0.2 at the end of the track. If your IT shows 20 HP gain at launch - you win.

I do not appreciate name calling on this site - you and I are having a civil discussion on your mod. The name calling has been done by someone who has made a complete fool of himself on this site many times as well as many other car sites. He holds the record for being banned on the internet. (Please return the $120 SC pulley I gave you.)

I believe you have a nice product with fine workmanship and appearance. My only comments are with cost vs performance which has been the mainstay of nearly all mods on this site starting 6 years ago. But, our younger members do not know of the many discussions this site has had on this issue. This has been a tradition of this site that has been regretably lost recently because most of the mods have been throughly discussed. Now you have a very promising mod to offer. I see no reason not to review your mod as this site has done on new mods since it started.

I will be attending the South East Drag Day on May 24 at Silver $ Dragway in GA. It's an unusal event for me and Chris because it is attended mostly by ricers, but there are some nasty Stealth and 3000GT TT attending along with several AMGs and other exotic makes. If you can make it on short notice you are more then welcome. Perhaps we can have the first pass of a IT MM breaking the 12.9s. I'll have a crisp $100 bill waiting for you.

Glenn Ford