Manual Transmission

[Logizyme]

I am familiar with the basics of what is required to swap a manual transmission into our cars; Fabricating a clutch pedal/slave, reinforcing the firewall, choosing the proper flywheel and clutch, modifying a crossmember, custom driveshaft, opening the floorboard and integrating the shifter.

I am more looking for specifics, from those who have completed the project.

What challenges did you face?
What transmission did you choose and why?
What was your total cost, and what were the more costly parts/steps?
How did you deal with a custom driveshaft?
Did you use a hydraulic or cable clutch?
What was the basis for your clutch pedal?
What problems did you have after installation?
What parts did you use and where did you source them?
Clutch + flywheel choice?

Anything else you can tell me about what it takes to get it in and working?

[Curless]

I am familiar with the basics of what is required to swap a manual transmission into our cars; Fabricating a clutch pedal/slave, reinforcing the firewall, choosing the proper flywheel and clutch, modifying a crossmember, custom driveshaft, opening the floorboard and integrating the shifter.

I am more looking for specifics, from those who have completed the project.

What challenges did you face?
What transmission did you choose and why?
What was your total cost, and what were the more costly parts/steps?
How did you deal with a custom driveshaft?
Did you use a hydraulic or cable clutch?
What was the basis for your clutch pedal?
What problems did you have after installation?
What parts did you use and where did you source them?
Clutch + flywheel choice?

Anything else you can tell me about what it takes to get it in and working?


Ask justbob....

[fastblackmerc]

Ask justbob....

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[Bad_S55]

Ask justbob....

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Are you thinking about a 5 or 6-speed swap? They're similar & different at the same time.

[Logizyme]

More likely a 6-speed, but its all up in the air. Want to get a really good idea of everything involved before I consider committing.

[justbob]

That's a lot to ask about. [emoji6]

I'll try to sort through it tonight. For now start with this. It is still mostly accurate three years/12,000 miles later.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86676


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[justbob]

I am more looking for specifics, from those who have completed the project.

What challenges did you face?
Mostly pedals and room for the new pedal.

What transmission did you choose and why?

2012 GT500 TR6060. Because it is the beefiest in stock form. If money wasn't a concern I would have chosen a Magnum T56 but at only 1,800 miles I STOLE this for next to nothing.

What was your total cost, and what were the more costly parts/steps?

Initially around $2,400? Best guess. I have easily doubled that by now in tow bills, a REAL drive shaft, and a complete rear end rebuild with studs, girdle, and a solid spacer.

How did you deal with a custom driveshaft?

I went to a local shop and explained I wanted an aluminum telescoping shaft and was talked into a steel one that would warp every time I surpassed 80 WOT. After I exploded it in half at the track and thru parts at the M3 behind me, I had to repurchase another one to get the car drivable. Once I saved a few bucks up I contacted The Driveshaft Shop and ordered constant velocity aluminum shaft, basically what I wanted in the first place..

Did you use a hydraulic or cable clutch?

Hydraulic, because I'm not into fabricating old designs to simply achieve quicker build time.

What was the basis for your clutch pedal?

Stock brake pedal, fox body clutch integrated, GT500 parts, and a bag of misc bushings, nylon washers, and stuffs.

What problems did you have after installation?

LOL...
Blew half the teeth off my fairly new 4.30's on the street, w/street tires, clutch already up, nailed in first. Oops.

Driveshaft.

Just broke my third OEM clutch master but I already bought a super beefy billet Tick Performance F body unit that I will be re-engineering into the pedals. Design flaw on my part. It has literally a hair of bindage if pressed to far.


What parts did you use and where did you source them?
Clutch + flywheel choice?

OEM GT500. However, even though perfectly acceptable with the street tune of 588, not acceptable at anything over 5,800 RPMS with the 110 tune, hence why we shut her down at 704Hp. Sucks balls as she was just waking up! When I am more eager to spend money I will address this with a McLeod RXT.

Anything else you can tell me about what it takes to get it in and working?

Depends on what trans you want? I didn't want a regular T56 as the shifter comes up way too early and you have to bend the shifter waayy back, then up to center it. Gay. That has to feel way awkward, but I believe you can use your stock shaft with a different yoke.

A 6060 will has a fixed tailshaft flange so you are now obligated on a shaft such as mine at $800.

Do you have the necessary balls to trim about 5" X 15" or so out of your floor, fab a new tunnel, weld it in, seam seal, and dyno mat? Just metal to me, I could put it back to stock no problem at all and nobody would ever know otherwise.

I found it way simpler, half the weight, and BIG time easier to remove/install the cross member by building my own.

Tuning couldn't be any simpler. Speedo is corrected on the dyno and the eight trans codes you'll get can be tuned out.

Prepare for HARSH torque.. My rear end found that out!

Would I do it all over again?

You. Bet. Your. Ass. I would. This car has never been so fun to drive. Just be prepared to get stopped and asked about it every damn place you go! Not kidding.

Hope I didn't scare you off. It wasn't really all that bad!





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[Mebot]

This for black or blue?

Can't stop the signal...

[Logizyme]

Didn't scare me off, actually pretty helpful info.

Honestly the plan for this year has been a torque converter that'll allow 7krpm. After reviewing my road coarse film I was rather unsatisfied by my overall gearing on the track(brand new charger V6 9spd auto keeping up with my Eaton'ed Marauder) and I know that if I could keep it closer in the powerband I would be destroying, and the 7krpm will make significant progress towards that, but I was still considering re-gearing to optimize performance.

After a bit I thought I should at least consider a manual trans swap. I can MIG, fab, and turn a wrench. Cost of my torque converter is 1k, take that out of the cost of a M/T swap and its a bit more economical. I've also never been 100% happy with any transmission tune I have had.

Still doing my own research, I too am leaning towards the 6060, always known as a top notch stick to me, and regarding the T56, I too am finding that the shifter would be way too far forward or in the case of the XL too far rearward, and the 6060 seems easily modified.

Also looking at the MT82 from the Coyote mustangs, they seem to hold up to the 440hp of the boss, and I am not anticipating anymore power out of mine.

Nothing is decided yet. I would like to be able to say I am done with upgrading the high performance aspect this year, as I have other dream projects I would like to start, and M/T is prob not the way to achieve that.

So far I have not found any 6060's with clutch/flywheel(I would need a 6-bolt anyway) but why do you say 5800rpm limit? A major point of this conversion for me is to allow 7krpm.

[Logizyme]

This for black or blue?

Can't stop the signal...

Black, duh. Blue is staying near stock, esp the powertrain.

[justbob]

Didn't scare me off, actually pretty helpful info.

Honestly the plan for this year has been a torque converter that'll allow 7krpm. After reviewing my road coarse film I was rather unsatisfied by my overall gearing on the track(brand new charger V6 9spd auto keeping up with my Eaton'ed Marauder) and I know that if I could keep it closer in the powerband I would be destroying, and the 7krpm will make significant progress towards that, but I was still considering re-gearing to optimize performance.

After a bit I thought I should at least consider a manual trans swap. I can MIG, fab, and turn a wrench. Cost of my torque converter is 1k, take that out of the cost of a M/T swap and its a bit more economical. I've also never been 100% happy with any transmission tune I have had.

Still doing my own research, I too am leaning towards the 6060, always known as a top notch stick to me, and regarding the T56, I too am finding that the shifter would be way too far forward or in the case of the XL too far rearward, and the 6060 seems easily modified.

Also looking at the MT82 from the Coyote mustangs, they seem to hold up to the 440hp of the boss, and I am not anticipating anymore power out of mine.

Nothing is decided yet. I would like to be able to say I am done with upgrading the high performance aspect this year, as I have other dream projects I would like to start, and M/T is prob not the way to achieve that.

So far I have not found any 6060's with clutch/flywheel(I would need a 6-bolt anyway) but why do you say 5800rpm limit? A major point of this conversion for me is to allow 7krpm.


My clutch slipped every time I neared 5,700 because my ProCharger F1 was just coming alive. We were going to shut down at 7,300 originally. The best guess from Jeff at Marty's was somewhere in the mid to upper 800's at that RPM. The OEM twin disc isn't exactly new but in relatively good health, it just can't hold at that power level. I left it as is for now considering I trailered it twelve hours for the dyno and the last build left me broke and damn near divorced.

The XL's further back shifter is still too far forward but getting close. I still feel this is the best. Keep in mind my shifter is a remote mount and that is what requires the extensive tunnel work. Too achieve the original driveline angle you need to message what's left of the tunnel ever so slightly, not bad really. With this shifter hanging off the back so far I was pleasantly surprised to find out I just needed to shorten it about an 1 1/4" or so for an absolutely perfect alignment to our counsel. Probably not needed, but why cut short the part you will be looking at everyday?

I also bought a 3" extension for the top of the shifter (and cut it down to about 2") to get the original shifter height. Also it moved the counsel over a little when shifting into reverse. This fixed that. A GT500 shifter boot clips right on to the MM counsel only having to trim the underside plastic corners on the boot. Here is my most current boot with screws thru the billet, thru the counsel, and into the boot.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/20/aef1eaa060166795ebebbec48b7a31 bc.jpg
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I'll load some more pics later of the underside and tunnel.

Forgot too mention this only took about three weeks after work to do. See, not that bad. [emoji106]🏻


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[justbob]

Also I noticed a couple of days ago that there is currently at least three low mileage 6060's on SVTPerformace for $2,000 and less.


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[Logizyme]

Interesting. The XL is marketed towords being a perfect fit for 05+ mustangs, and if you had to shorten the shifter for the GT500 trans I assumed the XL would be too long also, my super basic tape measure estimates put the XL actually in pretty good positioning.

Yeah, I guess finding a complete transmission with clutch and shifter for a decent price really would make this a plausible venture.

[justbob]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/20/29d73047796d22ec4ece3b66d2034c 09.jpg
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Old:

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/20/9c4b7a3d78d48344070e955384bd4c 33.jpg


New style:

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/20/8a9ba9a8a08aa37330d21c80476f79 6f.jpg

Sooo not feeling working on it.. But I have till Louisville. [emoji6]

Tons of pics can be found here.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86055




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[Logizyme]

Did you have to do much gutting of the inside of the console?

[justbob]

I don't believe I had to do anything with the counsel. It was like it was meant to be.

Obviously the rear vent ducting is long gone, front half at least. I recall cutting that in half and using the rear instead of making brackets to support the counsel. By this time in the build I was literally hours from dyno. I didn't even vacuum the carpet before dropping it back in. LOL


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[Logizyme]

Been searching for a decent price one. Most over at SVTperformance are no longer available. Still trying to figure out what flywheel clutch combo to use, as I understand it the GT500 pressure plate does not bolt to 05+ GT 6-bolt Flywheels.

I really like the added performance I can get from the closer gear ratio's, but still need to find a good deal to make it a reasonable choice.

I did find one locally out of an 08 with 60k, but it was removed to put in a 2013 6060 "for the different gear ratio's" which seemed kinda sketch.

[justbob]

From my research the 2001 and up Mustang GT has a 6 bolt 11" flywheel.

The '10-'12 GT500 uses an 11" 26 spline disc from what I remember.

As for not bolting up, it shouldn't be too hard to get a bolt schematic online? Might just be easier to get an aftermarket flywheel with multiple holes.

Obviously do some digging before ordering..

The gearing was only altered to get the car to 200MPH with its present power level as quickly as possible. On the street, I'm sure the difference is minimal at best. I run 1st to 30 MPH just normal driving with 4.11's. Not too bad IMO.


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[Logizyme]

What I meant was that if he went through all the trouble of swapping a 2013 trans into his 2008, maybe there is actually something wrong with his 60k 6060.

I mean the good news about it is he IS local, so I can shift it and spin it, but still won't know if everythings all good until its put to use.

IDK just not the best story.

[justbob]

Biggest issue is 2nd gear at high RPMS. Pretty cheap and easy fix with upgraded parts. But you wouldn't know unless you could drive it unfortunately.


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[2004_p71]

Whats up guys long time no see :)

Speaking of the manual swap heres my .02$ on the matter .

The manual swap is hands down the BEST mod you can do to the panther platfom.

That being said, I did 5 complete swaps and they were all done the same with the same parts more or less :

-Tr3650 from the 01 to 04 mustang .Some were bone stock but mine got everything up graded + a 26 spline imput shaft on it it's rated at 525lb/tq .

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/2004_p71/crown%20vic%20%20upgrade/DSC00239_zps5c391765.jpg


I like the 5 speed over the 6 speed trans for the ease of instalation as it requires a minimum of modification on the crossmember , still can use the stock drive shaft and the shifter location is perfect.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/2004_p71/crown%20vic%20%20upgrade/DSC03129_zpssc8gnug6.jpg


Clutch have been from stock ones to centerforce dual friction. Stock one will do the job on a daily driver but my friend burned it at the track after numerous pass so he now has a centerforce.

Drivetrain needs to be upgraded aswell ,by this I mean control arms are mandatory as the stock one will not last long no matter how you drive they will go within a year . 3.73 or 4.10 are the more appropriate gears with the tr3650.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/2004_p71/differential/DSC02656.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/2004_p71/DSC02605.jpg

As far as the clutch pedal assembly, I made/sold over 50 of them and they are all based on the same design that ford used until 2004 using a cable but they are totaly compatible with the MCleod hydraulic conversion kit they make for the stang, pricey but very high quality and reliable .

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/2004_p71/clutch%20pedals/DSC03342_zpsf8b813c7.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/2004_p71/clutch%20pedals/hydraulic%20kit/DSC04842_zpssiripwbl.jpg

final results

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/2004_p71/jeremy%205%20speed%20project/DSC00295_zps1b38a6a3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/2004_p71/jeremy%205%20speed%20project/DSC00301_zps9c0930d3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/2004_p71/jeremy%205%20speed%20project/DSC00302_zpsc5a55911.jpg

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Sooo not feeling working on it.. But I have till Louisville.

Please don't wait till last minute to fix your car this year. Or do you know I'm in to help out.

[justbob]

Please don't wait till last minute to fix your car this year. Or do you know I'm in to help out.


LOL Your probably itching to get out daddy! Nah, no last minute stuffs here.. If it isn't ready, either it or I or both won't even go..


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