My new Marauder! With 18 Qrts of oil in it!?!

[Chuck]

So I got me a gem of a marauder.Guy i bought it from claimed it needed a little work. I DRAINED 18 QUARTS OF OIL OUT OF IT.

WTF
:censor:

[03Merc]

What!?!?


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[Spectragod]

Pics?????????

[maximusslade]

Dayum! That's like filling the pan, the crankcase, the pistons, and the intake. Right?

[Catfish]

Maybe the previous owner thought the ENTIRE dipstick should be covered.

[daddyusmaximus]

Could be a deal for you if you got it cheap.

[Marauderman]

Maybe the previous owner thought the ENTIRE dipstick should be covered.

That there is funny no matter what--LMAO--...+ the fact he probably was a dipstick---LOL...Carry on..

[RubberCtyRauder]

Is that like an oil bath ?

[ctrlraven]

Is 18 quarts including what's in the filter also? lol

[Cosgrandmarquis]

62,000 miles?

[RubberCtyRauder]

I would go take his privilege to even own a car away. Give him a bus pass

[crouse]

Would 18 quarts of oil fill the engine to the top of the fill cap? I've heard of that happening. My wife and I bought a used 2013 Ford Explorer last summer and when I changed the oil for the first time, I got about 7 quarts. proibably not a big deal, but it can cause foaming of the oil.

[lifespeed]

Take away his Man Card.

[junior]

Is 18 quarts including what's in the filter also? lol

Maybe it has a remote oil filter...like on the back of a trailer.

[JBeezy]

Subscribing

[martyo]

Was there coolant or fuel in the oil?

[fordnut02]

I have seen this before , and seen blown motors from it , quick service oil change places , walmart etc , they dont drain out the old oil , just add the new

[ctrlraven]

I have seen this before , and seen blown motors from it , quick service oil change places , walmart etc , they dont drain out the old oil , just add the new
6 quarts of new oil on top of 6 quarts of old oil = 12.

[fordnut02]

6 quarts of new oil on top of 6 quarts of old oil = 12.

guess you have never heard of this happening from kids changing oil in these places , I have seen 3 motors blown from it

just hope he dont have a antifreeze problem

[1Marauder]

6 quarts of new oil on top of 6 quarts of old oil = 12.

Exactly what I was thinking... Simple math, didn't drain old, and added new.

Wow.

Recall the guy who bought a Marauder that didn't run well at all, and the rear wheels were on the front and vica versa? When he rotated them back, it ran great?

[ctrlraven]

guess you have never heard of this happening from kids changing oil in these places , I have seen 3 motors blown from it

just hope he dont have a antifreeze problem
No, I have heard of it.

It was a joke, newb's first post was that he bought a "gem", previous owner said it "needed work" and then drains out "EIGHTEEN" quarts of oil.

http://49.media.tumblr.com/ea3378bdffaa54cb3052260144a569 1e/tumblr_njbf1ru7gs1qz5q5xo1_400 .gif

You would think if it was 18 quarts, that's worth 3 oil changes stacked. With more than 9-10 quarts some seals might start to go and leak or other engine problems might arise.

[tbone]

I have seen this before , and seen blown motors from it , quick service oil change places , walmart etc , they dont drain out the old oil , just add the new

Years ago I narrowly stopped a kid from putting trans fluid in my engine at Jiffy Lube.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Years ago I narrowly stopped a kid from putting trans fluid in my engine at Jiffy Lube.

There's your problem right there.

[fordnut02]

Years ago I narrowly stopped a kid from putting trans fluid in my engine at Jiffy Lube.

why I change my own , seen to many problems

had a older man 1 of my customers come in for suspension work, seen his drain plug leaking , it was ready to fall out , had is oil changed day before at Ford dealer lol

He went back to them, they offered him a free oil change :depress:

[MarauderMatt200]

18qts how is that even possible??? I mean you would have had oil all over the driveway

[martyo]

18qts how is that even possible??? I mean you would have had oil all over the driveway

I'm still trying to do the math on 18 quarts into 4.6 liters. Lol.

[Marauderjack]

The balance of a case of oil (18 bottles) were found in a box in the trunk??:confused:

[martyo]

The balance of a case of oil (18 bottles) were found in a box in the trunk??:confused:

A case is only 12 quarts.

Now I'm even more confused.

[Marauderjack]

A BIG case has 24 quarts!!:eek:

[marauderrocks51]

Did you check the transmission level . ?? maybe he filled everything to the top !

[tbone]

There's your problem right there.

Exactly. 30 years or so later and I've never been back there.

[Chuck]

Okay guys update.

This is after removing the filter, and all of the old oil is evacuated. to a grand total of 18 Quarts!!

After draining, i put a new filter and I put 7 quarts of Motocraft in it. (i didnt realize the jug was 5 quarts, which isnt a big deal)

I started it and the whole motor was ticking!
so my guess is he filled and kept filling till the noise went away.

So i grabbed my stethoscope and began to investigate. I fount the rattle/tick to be in front, so i figured its the timing chain.

I had the car at a buddies so i limped it home so i can work on it in my own garage.

First things first. I did a compression check. I got 180psi at every cylinder. GOOD NEWS!
I was hoping to God no oil got passed a ring and bent a rod.

SO i figured i would go ahead and take the front of the motor apart. I got it all apart and found the issue.
The tensioner on the passenger side is deflated and the chain is slopping around somethin nasty.

all the parts are ordered and im waiting to put the thing back together.

[Chuck]

There was no antifreeze in the oil, the transmission levels are fine.
The motor ran smooth after i changed the oil it just had the rattle.

The car is actually really clean, only has a few issues. the guy drove the car and neglected it. The door has a ding, and the roof has hail damage.

Surprisingly the motor didnt have any oil dirt on it. It looked like a normal car that has been dailyed nothing out of the ordinary

[Chuck]

And for the price i paid, I am still WAYYY on top. even after all this work

[tbone]

Glad it's ok. FYI 6 quarts, not 7.

[BAD MERC]

I think my wrecker takes 18 quarts.

[Chuck]

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[junior]

[QUOTE=Chuck;1488452]Okay guys update.
First things first. I did a compression check. I got 180psi at every cylinder. GOOD NEWS!
I was hoping to God no oil got passed a ring and bent a rod.
[QUOTE]

Really???? I'm pretty sure the oil was already on the rod side of the piston.

[Chuck]

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[Chuck]

[QUOTE=Chuck;1488452]Okay guys update.
First things first. I did a compression check. I got 180psi at every cylinder. GOOD NEWS!
I was hoping to God no oil got passed a ring and bent a rod.
[QUOTE]

Really???? I'm pretty sure the oil was already on the rod side of the piston.

Yeah but if it was so overfilled, and if oil got passed a ring on the bottom of its stroke and got into a cylinder, it would hydro lock, bending a rod

[lifespeed]

You have the plastic hydraulic tensioners which are a known failure point from leaking O-rings. I suggest you replace them with the ratcheting iron tensioners. Really, the best thing to do when you have the cover off is to change the entire cam timing kit, Ford Racing has it for less than $500.

[Hadamustang1]

You going to sell that car when its fixed?

[Chuck]

You going to sell that car when its fixed?

Im not sure yet, have not decided. but im open to offers

[Chuck]

You have the plastic hydraulic tensioners which are a known failure point from leaking O-rings. I suggest you replace them with the ratcheting iron tensioners. Really, the best thing to do when you have the cover off is to change the entire cam timing kit, Ford Racing has it for less than $500.

I bought the kit from cloyes already. i didnt know there was a racheting style and i do like that idea better. i will probably see if i can just get that style tensioner.

[lifespeed]

I bought the kit from cloyes already. i didnt know there was a racheting style and i do like that idea better. i will probably see if i can just get that style tensioner.

Lots of info on this site about known issues for these cars, and this is one of them. The Ford Racing kit (http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford+Performance/397/M-6004-A464/10002/-1) is really nice: 4 chains, all sprockets, 4 hydraulic tensioners (iron ratcheting without O-rings) and 4 guides.

Edit - check the hydraulic lash adjusters especially on the side with the bad tensioner. A slapping chain can actually beat on the lash adjusters and cause scoring on the bottom side that sits inside the head casting. I had to change these out as well after a tensioner failure.

[Chuck]

Lots of info on this site about known issues for these cars, and this is one of them. The Ford Racing kit (http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford+Performance/397/M-6004-A464/10002/-1) is really nice: 4 chains, all sprockets, 4 hydraulic tensioners (iron ratcheting without O-rings) and 4 guides.

Edit - check the hydraulic lash adjusters especially on the side with the bad tensioner. A slapping chain can actually beat on the lash adjusters and cause scoring on the bottom side that sits inside the head casting. I had to change these out as well after a tensioner failure.

I bought all new lash adjusters from Trickflow since i have the car apart already. Im doing water pump, oil pump, lash adjusters, plugs and whatever else i feel is necessary. I found the cloyes kit for 370 bucks so i think im just going to look for the racheting tensioners and sell the ones that come in the kit

[lifespeed]

Sounds like you should be good for many miles.

[Chayton]

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I call bull on the 18 quarts. Makes for a great story don't get me wrong, but we are going way back to the whole "one time I caught a fish and it was thiiiiiiiiiiis big!!" More pictures please.

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[ctrlraven]

I bought all new lash adjusters from Trickflow since i have the car apart already. Im doing water pump, oil pump, lash adjusters, plugs and whatever else i feel is necessary. I found the cloyes kit for 370 bucks so i think im just going to look for the racheting tensioners and sell the ones that come in the kit
The ratcheting iron timing tensioners you want are from a 2004 Ford Mustang 4.6L SOHC V8. Any New Edge style Mustang year with the 2v sohc motor should be using the ratcheting iron tensioners.

CLOYES 95338 - LEFT/Driver side
CLOYES 95339 - RIGHT/Passenger side

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92299
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92538

[ctrlraven]

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Someone did not use a quality oil and change it often from the looks of that.

This is mine with well over 200k miles on it, always used full synthetic oil since 45k miles on the odo. Royal Purple, AMSoil and Mobil 1, 5W20 then switched to 5W30 once I got to about 150k miles.
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[Chuck]

I call bull on the 18 quarts. Makes for a great story don't get me wrong, but we are going way back to the whole "one time I caught a fish and it was thiiiiiiiiiiis big!!" More pictures please.

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First of all why would i make something like that up? My life goal is to make up stories about oil to try to troll people on some forum i just joined. If the clasped tensioner and missing tensioner guides isnt enough proof that the guy tried shutting the engine up, then you can stick your head in the bucket of used oil i have sitting in the garage.

[Chuck]

Someone did not use a quality oil and change it often from the looks of that.

This is mine with well over 200k miles on it, always used full synthetic oil since 45k miles on the odo. Royal Purple, AMSoil and Mobil 1, 5W20 then switched to 5W30 once I got to about 150k miles.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a164/ctrlraven/marauder/20140329_123053_zps8barexto.jp g

Im aware. Ive pulled apart many motors with higher miles and that were a lot cleaner. Like i said tbe car was neglected and mistreated.

[Bradley G]

First of all why would i make something like that up? My life goal is to make up stories about oil to try to troll people on some forum i just joined. If the clasped tensioner and missing tensioner guides isnt enough proof that the guy tried shutting the engine up, then you can stick your head in the bucket of used oil i have sitting in the garage.
Pics if it happens

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[Zack]

18 quarts will go into the engine people.
Why are you doubting him?

[ctrlraven]

18 quarts will go into the engine people.
Why are you doubting him?
After seeing the car was a DTR, I no longer doubted the notion.

[fordnut02]

Someone did not use a quality oil and change it often from the looks of that.

This is mine with well over 200k miles on it, always used full synthetic oil since 45k miles on the odo. Royal Purple, AMSoil and Mobil 1, 5W20 then switched to 5W30 once I got to about 150k miles.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a164/ctrlraven/marauder/20140329_123053_zps8barexto.jp g

why did you change to 5W30 after 150K ?

[Zack]

When engines wear, they need thicker oil

I use 10w-30 in all of my built cars

[Ourobos]

Interesting.. I bought 2 gallons of 5w30 AMSoil for my 190k eaton swapped 03 today.. Wondering now if I should have went with 10w30.. Zack do you notice any crazy oil pressures in cold weather? With 5w20 I see 95-100 psi now on a cold day at startup.

[03Merc]

When engines wear, they need thicker oil

I use 10w-30 in all of my built cars


At what mileage should You switch to thicker oil..? I'm at 100k now still using 5W-20 Motorcraft.


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[tbone]

The thinner oil is all for that miniscule extra fuel mileage it provides to please our wonderful government. As an example, my 2015 Mazda 6 calls for 0w20 in the United States, but 5w30 in Canada and Mexico. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's going on here.

I use 5w30 in the MM. Since I don't drive it in the winter anymore, I will probably switch to 10w30.

[Chuck]

After seeing the car was a DTR, I no longer doubted the notion.

Whats a dtr?

[RubberCtyRauder]

DTR =Dark Toreador Red (exterior color)

long standing joke here that the DTR colored ones are the slowest of the colors

[BAD MERC]

Silver is the fastest. There's science in that fact.

[Cobra25]

Silver is the fastest. There's science in that fact. I agree , BAD MERC IS 100 % correct !!!

[RacerX]

Silver is the fastest. There's science in that fact.

Actually Purple...:P

Hey Chuck, what's the story with the crank snout?

[Chuck]

Ahhh I see, so i have the slow one lol
Before i bought the car i did do research and i found myself on Wiki.
And Wiki being such a credible source also said it was the slowest color lol i just didnt understand why it said that.



Actually Purple...:P

Hey Chuck, what's the story with the crank snout?

someone had the balancer off before helped themself to a nice helping of anti-seize.

[Bradley G]

my builder suggested 5-40 synthetic after break in.

When engines wear, they need thicker oil

I use 10w-30 in all of my built cars
with the tolerances you are common with , I wouldn"t change a thing!

[Chayton]

I'm sorry I love you

[Chuck]

Good one. Get out of here with that tom foolery. Im here because i got the car, not to make up bs stories to get attention. I dont need a camera for oil changes.

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[Chayton]

Good one. Get out of here with that tom foolery. Im here because i got the car, not to make up bs stories to get attention. I dont need a camera for oil changes.

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Hey you're really fast on the replies man! Good job. Sorry for bursting your bubble. Congratulations on your 18 gallon oil change I'm on the phone with the press as we speak. Holy freaking frack.

[Badass_forever]

I have heard about this before, i think my dad told me he once bought a couple engines off a guy and they were filled with oil right to the top, he said when he took them apart they were like brand new, not a spec of rust in them.

just some food for thought.

[Chayton]

I have heard about this before, i think my dad told me he once bought a couple engines off a guy and they were filled with oil right to the top, he said when he took them apart they were like brand new, not a spec of rust in them.

just some food for thought.

look at op's post the inside does not look brand new fwiw

[babbage]

Good one. Get out of here with that tom foolery. Im here because i got the car, not to make up bs stories to get attention. I dont need a camera for oil changes.

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I say good job you have done so far. Keep up the good work. reminds me of when they use to put saw dust in the transmissions to keep quiet & from leaking to sell...

[babbage]

look at op's post the inside does not look brand new fwiw

No but filling up an engine totally with oil is for storage - so 5 years later the inside isn't completely rusted...

[Chayton]

I say good job you have done so far. Keep up the good work. reminds me of when they use to put saw dust in the transmissions to keep quiet & from leaking to sell...
Yup now they just put it in your food lol

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[RubberCtyRauder]

Yup now they just put it in your food lol

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You are eating in the wrong establishments

[Chayton]

You are eating in the wrong establishments
Well I don't buy food products from Walmart but maybe you do?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-24/wal-mart-sued-over-parmesan-cheese-with-wood-pulp-filler

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[Whoa]

When I bought my Merc I negotiated 2k off because it was throwing the ABS light and the OD light was flashing

paid up drove to work jacked it up in the garage at work, put the tires on the right corners, problem gone. buddy's mechanic did a 4 corner rotation. Trololo.

[Spectragod]

DTR =Dark Toreador Red (exterior color)

long standing joke here that the DTR colored ones are the slowest of the colors

^^^It's true^^^, mine is one of the slowest out there, did a bunch of mods, still in the 16's in the quarter mile. I'm going to go to a Tecumseh engine I think..... for more power and torque. :D

[03Merc]

I agree , BAD MERC IS 100 % correct !!!


But what happened tonight when the DTR punched it and left You?? (:


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[03Merc]

^^^It's true^^^, mine is one of the slowest out there, did a bunch of mods, still in the 16's in the quarter mile. I'm going to go to a Tecumseh engine I think..... for more power and torque. :D


They run in the 15s from factory...


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[justbob]

They run in the 15s from factory...


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Before the added weight of hopes and dreams! Blowers, heat exchangers, nitrous tanks, ECT.

Funniest thing is the addition of heavy big brakes..


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[Spectragod]

Before the added weight of hopes and dreams! Blowers, heat exchangers, nitrous tanks, ECT.

Funniest thing is the addition of heavy big brakes..


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That's gotta be it, I should remove some of those mods, they didn't help me anyhow, glad Monday is trash day, I think I'll start with the twin screw, that thing weighs a bunch... :rolleyes:

[RubberCtyRauder]

Well I don't buy food products from Walmart but maybe you do?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-24/wal-mart-sued-over-parmesan-cheese-with-wood-pulp-filler

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Don't shop walmart, and you don't do so well when sarcasm is directed at you but you like to dish it out. Act like an a$$, be treated like an a$$

[Chayton]

Don't shop walmart, and you don't do so well when sarcasm is directed at you but you like to dish it out. Act like an a$$, be treated like an a$$
I love sarcasm haha keep dishing it out no hard feelings here I know you're just joking :)

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[chief455]

That's gotta be it, I should remove some of those mods, they didn't help me anyhow, glad Monday is trash day, I think I'll start with the twin screw, that thing weighs a bunch... :rolleyes:

hope floats, so it's a light weight mod
dreams with a DTR are wet, so fluids are heavy.
Add a rainbow and a unicorn, yeah - that will knock a second off your stock E.T.

[chief455]

Chuck
keep us posted. I think you are doing a good job of saving the victim.
Any idea if/how long it was run with the over full oil?

[03Merc]

https://vimeo.com/156937065


This is the 2nd time the rear tailshaft seal has came out. What's wrong? How do I fix permanently no matter what MPH...?


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[Chayton]

https://vimeo.com/156937065


This is the 2nd time the rear tailshaft seal has came out. What's wrong? How do I fix permanently no matter what MPH...?


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It comes out regardless of speed? Do you notice any driveline vibrations?

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[Chuck]

Chuck
keep us posted. I think you are doing a good job of saving the victim.
Any idea if/how long it was run with the over full oil?
The oil was pretty dirty. I know it was the guys daily driver until like 4 weeks ago. And the chain chewed up a lot of aluminum so my guess ot was driven like this for a while

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[chief455]

The oil was pretty dirty. I know it was the guys daily driver until like 4 weeks ago. And the chain chewed up a lot of aluminum so my guess ot was driven like this for a while

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messed up :shake:

I agree, you are lucky the oil did not get on top of pistons and lock it up

[Chuck]

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After some power washing and clean up. I painted the valve covers black and color matched the coil covers.

Every marauder i see has black valve covers and mine were bare aluminum. Any ideas why?

[Zack]

That paint will flake off in no time.
It needs special etching primer, auto paint or powdercoating

[Chuck]

That paint will flake off in no time.
It needs special etching primer, auto paint or powdercoating

When i painted them i used an etching primer but there were manufacturing stickers still on the covers when i took them off and literally no sign of any sort of original paint.

[RubberCtyRauder]

04's were mostly raw aluminum covers. there are more 03 marauders, around double, and they mostly had black covers.

[Chuck]

04's were mostly raw aluminum covers. there are more 03 marauders, around double, and they mostly had black covers.

I see, thank you

[Fastbob]

Yup, mine are raw aluminum on my 2004. They are starting to look cruddy from the light corrosion that is on them. I might try to see if a spray on aluminum brightener will clean them up.

[tbone]

Every marauder i see has black valve covers and mine were bare aluminum. Any ideas why?

I think it was one of the many feature cuts on the 04's to defray the cost of traction control. As always, I could be wrong. :confused:

[Turbov6Bryan]

03 black covers are plastic
04 are raw alum


What are the miles on this DTR?

[Chuck]

62,000

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[tbone]

03 black covers are plastic
04 are raw alum


I don't think so. Guys powdercoat their covers all the time. You can't put a charge on plastic.

[justbob]

They are all aluminum.


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[Chuck]

Final update.

Car is together and as of this weekend and ive already put 200 miles on it.

This car has had a lot of problems due to neglect and abuse. so far I've replaced:

timing chains and tensioners
oil pump
water pump
all the gaskets according including valve cover and intake
new injector orings
radiator
coolant cross over tube
alternator
all 32 lash adjusters
new coolant/radiator hoses

I have also done other upgrades such as,
Double din install: kenwood ddx393
Rockford fosgate 6x8s all the way around
mustang chin spoiler, and marauder rear spoiler is in the works (need it painted)
new tires and rims

[fordnut02]

Final update.

Car is together and as of this weekend and ive already put 200 miles on it.

This car has had a lot of problems due to neglect and abuse. so far I've replaced:

timing chains and tensioners
oil pump
water pump
all the gaskets according including valve cover and intake
new injector orings
radiator
coolant cross over tube
alternator
all 32 lash adjusters
new coolant/radiator hoses

I have also done other upgrades such as,
Double din install: kenwood ddx393
Rockford fosgate 6x8s all the way around
mustang chin spoiler, and marauder rear spoiler is in the works (need it painted)
new tires and rims


were did you find a coolant cross over tube

[Chuck]

I bought it off of a member on here

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