engine builder recommends in San Jose area

[lifespeed]

Looks like the original engine finally gave up the ghost, I'll be looking to get it rebuilt. I would like to find an engine machinist with a proven track record of quality work, and completing projects in a reasonable time frame. I'm really not looking for someone who will need 6 months to complete an engine rebuild.

[Lowndex]

Looks like the original engine finally gave up the ghost, I'll be looking to get it rebuilt. I would like to find an engine machinist with a proven track record of quality work, and completing projects in a reasonable time frame. I'm really not looking for someone who will need 6 months to complete an engine rebuild.

BRG Racing in Martinez. Make your schedule requirements clear. Most of BRG Racing projects are 8 weeks or less. I am an exception as I frequently change my requirements. Thus, I have never had a hard schedule to meet.

[Turbov6Bryan]

Most machine shops run at their own schedule, might just pick up a built shortblock from a vendor if you expect it in a timely manner

Plus a new shortblock has a warranty and you'll get it next week

Sucks yours let the smoke out, might be a paperweight if it was bad enough

[babbage]

Looks like the original engine finally gave up the ghost, I'll be looking to get it rebuilt. I would like to find an engine machinist with a proven track record of quality work, and completing projects in a reasonable time frame. I'm really not looking for someone who will need 6 months to complete an engine rebuild.

Wow, what happened - how many miles?

[Lowndex]

FE Specialities (http://www.fespecialties.com/)

Bad-Ass (http://www.badasscars.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=results/category_id=5/home_id=5/mode=cat/cat5.htm)

Campbell Auto Restoration (http://www.campbellautorestoration.co m/)

fftec motorsports (https://www.fftec.com/)

[lifespeed]

Wow, what happened - how many miles?

It sounds like a rod knock, came on suddenly. I drove it home 10 miles and shut it off. I'm pretty sure it is rebuildable. 138K miles. I wonder if I managed to starve the oil pump pickup with high cornering forces. There were a couple instances where I would gas it coming out of a corner and it sounded different for a few seconds, kind of like the hydraulic lash adjusters bled down.

[lifespeed]

Most machine shops run at their own schedule, might just pick up a built shortblock from a vendor if you expect it in a timely manner

Plus a new shortblock has a warranty and you'll get it next week

Sucks yours let the smoke out, might be a paperweight if it was bad enough

I'm can wait through reasonable machine shop time, I have had engines built before. If I bought a short block I would still need the machine shop to rebuild the heads, and I am not willing to go the iron block route either.

[Lowndex]

I'm can wait through reasonable machine shop time, I have had engines built before. If I bought a short block I would still need the machine shop to rebuild the heads, and I am not willing to go the iron block route either.

My head work at BRG Racing took two months. It was time well spent. Ford stopped making the Annihilator (aluminum 4.6L). I do not know if a replacement is available. From my experience, I would not buy a Ford Racing short block.

Livernois Motorsports has motors in stock. Call and ask them was is available for immediate shipment.

[RubberCtyRauder]

Sorry to hear about your engine. Hope you get back up and running in short order

[Lowndex]

It sounds like a rod knock, came on suddenly. I drove it home 10 miles and shut it off. I'm pretty sure it is rebuildable. 138K miles. I wonder if I managed to starve the oil pump pickup with high cornering forces. There were a couple instances where I would gas it coming out of a corner and it sounded different for a few seconds, kind of like the hydraulic lash adjusters bled down.

Whoops - 'rod knock / head slap sound'. Same thing happened to me.

[1Marauder]

Dude,
Sorry to hear.

Your new suspension killed your motor... That must be some suspension!

Can't wait to get a ride in the rebuild.

[Lowndex]

Ideally, you want an engine builder with proven Panther experience. Other shops knew Ford motors, but none had Panther experience like BRG Racing.

[RubberCtyRauder]

Long standing member mmmonroe in the Carolina's might still have a good motor for sale. Shop it on a skid. Install it, rebuild yours how you like and them swap and still have a motor to re-sell

[lifespeed]

Dude,
Sorry to hear.

Your new suspension killed your motor... That must be some suspension!

Can't wait to get a ride in the rebuild.

Just speculation, I don't really know. But keeping the oil pump pickup in oil around corners is a well-known issue.

[MOTOWN]

Wow sorry to hear this , great opportunity to install a Coyote Aluminator!

[Lowndex]

Wow sorry to hear this , great opportunity to install a Coyote Aluminator!

5.0L COYOTE ALUM SC CRATE ENGINE REPLACED BY M-6007-A50SCAM-6007-A50SC* (https://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField= 12763)
This part is no longer available.

FORD RACING 5.0L 4V DOHC ALUMINATOR CRATE ENGINE FOR SUPERCHARGED (http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-aluminator-engine-sc-1112gt.html)

FORD RACING 5.0L 4V DOHC ALUMINATOR XS CRATE ENGINE (http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-50-aluminator-xs-engine.html)

Livernois Motorsports (stock offers) (http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/engines)

5.0L RSC Coyote Crate Engine (http://www.roushperformance.com/engines/50l-coyote-rsc.html)

[lifespeed]

Wow sorry to hear this , great opportunity to install a Coyote Aluminator!

And a 6 speed automatic and computer. Quite a project.

[babbage]

It sounds like a rod knock, came on suddenly. I drove it home 10 miles and shut it off. I'm pretty sure it is rebuildable. 138K miles. I wonder if I managed to starve the oil pump pickup with high cornering forces. There were a couple instances where I would gas it coming out of a corner and it sounded different for a few seconds, kind of like the hydraulic lash adjusters bled down.

How's the dipstick look, shame if was half wet. pull it and take a look. Apparently you can run with 18 quarts - lol...


I see a road race oil pan for you in the future!

The Moroso pan work work, don't know if Canton would fit.

[Lowndex]

The Canton (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ctr-13-784a/overview/year/2004/make/mercury/model/marauder) will work and integrates well with the Canton louver windage tray (http://www.americanmuscle.com/canton-windage-tray-9610.html).

[lifespeed]

How's the dipstick look, shame if was half wet. pull it and take a look. Apparently you can run with 18 quarts - lol...


I see a road race oil pan for you in the future!

The Moroso pan work work, don't know if Canton would fit.

The oil level is at the full mark. I'm going to feel pretty stupid if I killed it by sloshing a stock oil pan. Never had a car that could corner this hard before. 140K miles and a rod knock with regular synthetic oil changes doesn't sound right, though. Although I did run it up to 6,000 RPM often enough.

[lifespeed]

The Canton (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ctr-13-784a/overview/year/2004/make/mercury/model/marauder) will work and integrates well with the Canton louver windage tray (http://www.americanmuscle.com/canton-windage-tray-9610.html).

You read my mind, I was looking at this. I thought it was a Mustang pan and they did not interchange with Marauder due to crossmember clearance. I'll look into it, the new engine will need a real oil pan.

[babbage]

The oil level is at the full mark. I'm going to feel pretty stupid if I killed it by sloshing a stock oil pan. Never had a car that could corner this hard before. 140K miles and a rod knock with regular synthetic oil changes doesn't sound right, though. Although I did run it up to 6,000 RPM often enough.


The Canton (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ctr-13-784a/overview/year/2004/make/mercury/model/marauder) will work and integrates well with the Canton louver windage tray (http://www.americanmuscle.com/canton-windage-tray-9610.html).

Does BRG have this pan on yours and installed?


You read my mind, I was looking at this. I thought it was a Mustang pan and they did not interchange with Marauder due to crossmember clearance. I'll look into it, the new engine will need a real oil pan.

This moroso pan will fit: www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-20555/ (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-20555/)

Picture of Moroso pan on a Marauder - Courtesy of MOTOWN
Canton would be almost 2 3/8" closer to crossmember, and the top part is thicker and probably in the way..

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af324/sims36/moroso7qaurtoilpan.jpg

[MOTOWN]

Im really liking the Moroso pan , the fit is perfect , and it's a 7 qt pan as opposed to the Canton which is a 6 qt , and the Moroso pan is a better deal at a 100 bucks cheaper!

[Lowndex]

[QUOTE=babbage;1489788]Does BRG have this pan on yours and installed?

Picture of Moroso pan on a Marauder - Courtesy of MOTOWN
Canton would be almost 2 3/8" closer to cross member, and the top part is thicker and probably in the way.

BRG Racing installed the Canton oil pan and Canton louver windage tray. I am not aware of a fit issue.

Among many other things, the AeroForce Interceptor gauges will monitor oil pressure and oil temperature.

[Lowndex]

Im really liking the Moroso pan , the fit is perfect , and it's a 7 qt pan as opposed to the Canton which is a 6 qt , and the Moroso pan is a better deal at a 100 bucks cheaper!

The Moroso does not work with the Canton louver windage tray.

[F1erceK]

Im wrapping up a build, now I see this and I wonder if the pan is worth it. Not dragging the car, DD for the summer, occasional fun/beating. Thoughts on this given my circumstances?

[MOTOWN]

The Moroso does not work with the Canton louver windage tray.

And why exactly would it not work :confused:

[MOTOWN]

Im wrapping up a build, now I see this and I wonder if the pan is worth it. Not dragging the car, DD for the summer, occasional fun/beating. Thoughts on this given my circumstances?

It's a great idea if you don't mind spending the coin on the pan.

[babbage]

BRG Racing installed the Canton oil pan and Canton louver windage tray. I am not aware of a fit issue.


The real test is installing the engine with Canton pan into the Marauder body. It may not fit without modification.

[lifespeed]

Im really liking the Moroso pan , the fit is perfect , and it's a 7 qt pan as opposed to the Canton which is a 6 qt , and the Moroso pan is a better deal at a 100 bucks cheaper!

It is a drag race pan, a road race pan with trapdoors might do a better job around corners.

[MOTOWN]

It is a drag race pan, a road race pan with trapdoors might do a better job around corners.

The Moroso pan has baffling to keep the oil in the sump on hard cornering , and acceleration , a closer look at the pan reveals the time put into proper baffling.

[lifespeed]

The Moroso pan has baffling to keep the oil in the sump on hard cornering , and acceleration , a closer look at the pan reveals the time put into proper baffling.

I wonder why they call it a drag racing pan? They are usually pretty specific about road race vs. drag. I'll take a look.

[MOTOWN]

I wonder why they call it a drag racing pan? They are usually pretty specific about road race vs. drag. I'll take a look.

I wonder why perfectly good well maintained engines blow up :confused:

It's a mistery! Why does ice cream melt:confused:

[Lowndex]

Back on the thread subject, please share the engine builder you select and what helped make you choice.

[Chayton]

BRG Racing in Martinez. Make your schedule requirements clear. Most of BRG Racing projects are 8 weeks or less. I am an exception as I frequently change my requirements. Thus, I have never had a hard schedule to meet.

****pacheco

[Chayton]

How's the dipstick look, shame if was half wet. pull it and take a look. Apparently you can run with 18 quarts - lol...


I see a road race oil pan for you in the future!

The Moroso pan work work, don't know if Canton would fit.

HAHAHAHA-HA

[Lowndex]

Yes, they are physically in Pancheco, but their address shows up as Martinez. Also, their business cards state Martinez. Whatever.

[Chayton]

Yes, they are physically in Pancheco, but their address shows up as Martinez. Also, their business cards state Martinez. Whatever.
Sorry I just felt like being THAT guy lol. Any news on your car? My trans just bit the dust

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[lifespeed]

Back on the thread subject, please share the engine builder you select and what helped make you choice.

I haven't even decided what engine yet, although the old 4.6L is the most likely candidate. 3.5L ecoboost is really interesting, but I don't know if I am up for the electronic headaches.

Whatever engine it is, I am seriously considering a dry sump system.

[Marauderjack]

Take a look here......

http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford+Performance/397/M-6007-M50AK/10002/-1&?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20160307email

Is this a good deal for the ambitious??:confused:

[lifespeed]

Take a look here......

http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford+Performance/397/M-6007-M50AK/10002/-1&?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20160307email

Is this a good deal for the ambitious??:confused:

It is as ambitious as swapping in a 3.5L ecoboost as far as electronics go. The problem is that 435HP, although an improvement, is not enough for these cars. If I'm going to do it I need at least 550HP, preferably closer to 600HP.

So forced induction is a must, and this isn't a case of "money is no object". And I also have to end up California-legal. Which is possible as engine swaps are allowed within limits. Has to be same year or newer and include all emissions equipment including PCM.

[lifespeed]

After further review, a dry sump oiling system on a street car with air conditioning appears to be close to impossible.

I think I may have to make do with a road race oil pan with dropouts in oil delivery covered by a 3-quart Accusump (http://www.accusump.com/) oil accumulator with Electric Pressure Control valve. Not a dry sump, but should solve the no-oil-pressure-in-a-corner problem.

[03mmmonroe]

Long standing member mmmonroe in the Carolina's might still have a good motor for sale. Shop it on a skid. Install it, rebuild yours how you like and them swap and still have a motor to re-sell

Yes my old motor is out and still has the Marauder parts on the long block. Thanks, My new motor is in and 225 miles and runs great.
Russ

[lifespeed]

Long standing member mmmonroe in the Carolina's might still have a good motor for sale. Shop it on a skid. Install it, rebuild yours how you like and them swap and still have a motor to re-sell

I only want to R&R the engine once :)

[Lowndex]

Sorry I just felt like being THAT guy lol. Any news on your car? My trans just bit the dust

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My Marauder project is moving along nicely. The custom brakes are near complete.

As for your transmission, getting the stock one rebuilt is not too tough. Getting a performance transmission can be. If you need a performance transmission, best to send $1000 deposit to SilverFox transmission now - get in line early before the session heats up.

[Lowndex]

Take a look here......

http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford+Performance/397/M-6007-M50AK/10002/-1&?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20160307email

Is this a good deal for the ambitious??:confused:

That is a fabulous deal.

[Lowndex]

It is as ambitious as swapping in a 3.5L ecoboost as far as electronics go. The problem is that 435HP, although an improvement, is not enough for these cars. If I'm going to do it I need at least 550HP, preferably closer to 600HP.

So forced induction is a must, and this isn't a case of "money is no object". And I also have to end up California-legal. Which is possible as engine swaps are allowed within limits. Has to be same year or newer and include all emissions equipment including PCM.

Um, like mine. Just saying.

[lifespeed]

Um, like mine. Just saying.

Yeah, same problem, need a new engine. Did you pick up a rod knock also?

[Lowndex]

Yeah, same problem, need a new engine. Did you pick up a rod knock also?

Rod knock, head slap........, yes.

[Chayton]

My original motor also bit the dust...due to rod knock. I ended up resolving this with a mach1 drive train pullout that had 30k miles on it

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[Lowndex]

So, which shop did you choose for the engine rebuild?

[lifespeed]

So, which shop did you choose for the engine rebuild?

I haven't yet, will give KC a call however. I am having some medical issues which will prevent me from crawling around under the car to pull the engine for about two months. Most machine shops prefer to work on an engine, not a car, so the best way forward is probably for me to pull the engine and deliver it to the shop.

I am driving my brothers old 2001 Pontiac Grand Prix with a supercharged 3.8L for now. What a downgrade from the Marauder ride and handling :(
But I should be happy to at least have temporary wheels. Funny thing is, that blown 3.8L V6 is what convinced me that a positive displacement supercharger is the ultimate for that connected feel from your foot to the rear wheels. I love that low speed torque.

[Lowndex]

I thought low speed torque is delivered better by a natural aspirated, powerful motor than a blower.

[lifespeed]

I thought low speed torque is delivered better by a natural aspirated, powerful motor than a blower.

It generally needs to be a large-displacement NA motor for Marauder-moving torque levels. You are making a good step in that direction. Having owned some hot rods over the years I have an idea of what I would find acceptable for a big car like this, and it is beyond what is achievable NA. Just my personal taste, I want the throttle response to be violent.

PD blower motors are a real kick in the pants, the torque comes on right off idle. I have owned a couple V6 versions with roots blowers, a twin screw would be even more efficient. Just have to figure out how get the referee to approve it.

[Lowndex]

It generally needs to be a large-displacement NA motor for Marauder-moving torque levels. You are making a good step in that direction. Having owned some hot rods over the years I have an idea of what I would find acceptable for a big car like this, and it is beyond what is achievable NA. Just my personal taste, I want the throttle response to be violent.

PD blower motors are a real kick in the pants, the torque comes on right off idle. I have owned a couple V6 versions with roots blowers, a twin screw would be even more efficient. Just have to figure out how get the referee to approve it.

Good luck, you will need it.