Mach 1 motor question

[Lowndex]

For a 2004 Mach 1 motor, what are the block markings that identify the item as a Mach 1?

What are the other differences between the 04 Mach 1 and an 04 Marauder engine?

Is the Marauder PCM the same as a Mach 1?


P.S.:
I am not seeking a block. I have a motor I love. I am interested in mating a Kenne Bell liquid cooled supercharger with my motor and pass it off as a 04 Mach 1 replacement. I must do so to take advantage of the CARB certification for a Mach 1. Else, I fail CA Smog.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/924/rEfxl9.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/porEfxl9j)

[Bad_S55]

Blocks are exactly the same, no differences between them and any other WAP aluminum block.

The only difference is the manual equipped Machs had forged cranks, otherwise the same.

Didn't you just spend a fortune building the world's most expensive 400 horse engine?

[Lowndex]

Blocks are exactly the same, no differences between them and any other WAP aluminum block.

The only difference is the manual equipped Machs had forged cranks, otherwise the same.

Didn't you just spend a fortune building the world's most expensive 400 horse engine?

I am asking for a CA Smog reason. A Kennebell blower has a CARB certificate for a 2004 Mach 1. See where I am going?

[Lowndex]

Blocks are exactly the same, no differences between them and any other WAP aluminum block.

The only difference is the manual equipped Machs had forged cranks, otherwise the same.

Didn't you just spend a fortune building the world's most expensive 400 horse engine?

Is there a stamp or marking of any kind on the Mach 1 block identifying it as such?

[510paesan]

I am asking for a CA Smog reason. A Kennebell blower has a CARB certificate for a 2004 Mach 1. See where I am going?


Oh lord


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[Bad_S55]

Blocks are exactly the same, no differences between them and any other WAP aluminum block.

No differences means no differences.

[RacerX]

If you want to get a nice block, go to a junkyard and try to find a 2005 to 2010 3v Mustang block with casting number 3L2E-6015-CC on it (Ford part # 8R3Z-6010-A). This is the final 4.6l casting and is the strongest. This is the same block that Ford used for the Aluminator series (M-6010-A46SC). I'm building one up right now. :D


Blocks are exactly the same, no differences between them and any other WAP aluminum block.

Actually not true. The newest block I named above does have added strength and weighs 10lbs more.

P.S. The part number for the 03/04 Mach 1 block is 3L2Z-6010-AA. The casting on the side is 1L2E-6015-BB, the same as the 03/04 Marauder. The Ford replacement block was casting 3L2Z-6010-AA. This is very similar to the 3L2E-6015-CC and cheaper. I think JDM has them new for around $800.

[martyo]

If you want to get a nice block, go to a junkyard and try to find a 2005 to 2010 3v Mustang block with casting number 3L2E-6015-CC on it (Ford part # 8R3Z-6010-A). This is the final 4.6l casting and is the strongest. This is the same block that Ford used for the Aluminator series (M-6010-A46SC). I'm building one up right now. :D



Actually not true. The newest block I named above does have added strength and weighs 10lbs more.

P.S. The part number for the 03/04 Mach 1 block is 3L2Z-6010-AA. The casting on the side is 1L2E-6015-BB, the same as the 03/04 Marauder. The Ford replacement block was casting 3L2Z-6010-AA. This is very similar to the 3L2E-6015-CC and cheaper. I think JDM has them new for around $800.

What he is trying to do is engineer a way around the CA smog laws. I am not sure your way gets him there....

[RacerX]

What he is trying to do is engineer a way around the CA smog laws. I am not sure your way gets him there....

Uh, no, it won't. Lol! Oh well, maybe someone searching for block info some day can use it! :cool:

[martyo]

Uh, no, it won't. Lol! Oh well, maybe someone searching for block info some day can use it! :cool:

No doubt!!!

[Lowndex]

If you want to get a nice block, go to a junkyard and try to find a 2005 to 2010 3v Mustang block with casting number 3L2E-6015-CC on it (Ford part # 8R3Z-6010-A). This is the final 4.6l casting and is the strongest. This is the same block that Ford used for the Aluminator series (M-6010-A46SC). I'm building one up right now. :D



Actually not true. The newest block I named above does have added strength and weighs 10lbs more.

P.S. The part number for the 03/04 Mach 1 block is 3L2Z-6010-AA. The casting on the side is 1L2E-6015-BB, the same as the 03/04 Marauder. The Ford replacement block was casting 3L2Z-6010-AA. This is very similar to the 3L2E-6015-CC and cheaper. I think JDM has them new for around $800.

I am not seeking a block. I have a motor I love. I am interested in mating a KenneBell liquid cooled supercharger with my motor and pass it off as a 04 Mach 1 replacement. I must do so to take advantage of the CARB certification for a Mach 1. Else, I fail CA Smog.

[Lowndex]

What he is trying to do is engineer a way around the CA smog laws. I am not sure your way gets him there....

Yes and thank you.

[Lowndex]

Uh, no, it won't. Lol! Oh well, maybe someone searching for block info some day can use it! :cool:

How do you know it will not work? Have you tried? Do you live in CA?

[FordNut]

How do you know it will not work? Have you tried? Do you live in CA?

Do they check the casting numbers? If so, the replacement block probably won't work for your purpose...

[Lowndex]

Do they check the casting numbers? If so, the replacement block probably won't work for your purpose...

This is the type of information I am seeking. Now I have something to investigate.

Anything else you can think of?

Thank you.

[FordNut]

If you want to get a nice block, go to a junkyard and try to find a 2005 to 2010 3v Mustang block with casting number 3L2E-6015-CC on it (Ford part # 8R3Z-6010-A). This is the final 4.6l casting and is the strongest. This is the same block that Ford used for the Aluminator series (M-6010-A46SC). I'm building one up right now. :D

Actually not true. The newest block I named above does have added strength and weighs 10lbs more.

P.S. The part number for the 03/04 Mach 1 block is 3L2Z-6010-AA. The casting on the side is 1L2E-6015-BB, the same as the 03/04 Marauder. The Ford replacement block was casting 3L2Z-6010-AA. This is very similar to the 3L2E-6015-CC and cheaper. I think JDM has them new for around $800.

Good to know.


I am not seeking a block. I have a motor I love. I am interested in mating a KenneBell liquid cooled supercharger with my motor and pass it off as a 04 Mach 1 replacement. I must do so to take advantage of the CARB certification for a Mach 1. Else, I fail CA Smog.

The OEM Mach1 block with 1L2E casting number or replacement block with 3L2E casting number?

[justbob]

I don't understand this logic. You are trying to pass smog as a Marauder with a Mach1 engine and a carb certified power adder?

To my understanding you are only allowed a replacement engine same model year on newer for the car your trying to pass with. Displacement doesn't matter IF it was available as an option in same year or newer model of car. But it does not say you can swap engines from different models. (Even though it's the same damn thing) because it's not the same in their eyes.

Doesn't carb numbers go by year, model of car, and engine? If so, your Marauder is technically only two of those.


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[FordNut]

For a 2004 Mach 1 motor, what are the block markings that identify the item as a Mach 1?

What are the other differences between the 04 Mach 1 and an 04 Marauder engine?

Is the Marauder PCM the same as a Mach 1?


P.S.:
I am not seeking a block. I have a motor I love. I am interested in mating a Kenne Bell liquid cooled supercharger with my motor and pass it off as a 04 Mach 1 replacement. I must do so to take advantage of the CARB certification for a Mach 1. Else, I fail CA Smog.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/924/rEfxl9.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/porEfxl9j)

The PCM is different.
That KB looks nice, and the inlet is on the correct side. I thought the Mach1 inlet was on the passenger side.

[FordNut]

I don't understand this logic. You are trying to pass smog as a Marauder with a Mach1 engine and a carb certified power adder?

To my understanding you are only allowed a replacement engine same model year on newer for the car your trying to pass with. Displacement doesn't matter IF it was available as an option in same year or newer model of car. But it does not say you can swap engines from different models. (Even though it's the same damn thing) because it's not the same in their eyes.

Doesn't carb numbers go by year, model of car, and engine? If so, your Marauder is technically only two of those.


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I believe the Vortech kit got CARB approval on Mustang, then somehow got by on Marauders based on that CARB sticker.

[RacerX]

How do you know it will not work? Have you tried? Do you live in CA?

Good luck.! :beer:

[FordNut]

Some of the posts on svtperformance mention the Mach1 kit was discontinued. Apparently due to some parts becoming unavailable. I assume that would be the Cobra lower intake.

Maybe you can find an old kit somebody rat-holed or buy a used kit off of a wrecked Mach1. The water-cooled supercharger MIGHT be a CARB approved replacement for the original 2.1 blower. If I recall correctly, the Mach1 kit was the same as the '99-'01 Cobra kit except it had brackets and a block-off plate for the shaker, so that should open up search options a little bit.

[Lowndex]

The PCM is different.
That KB looks nice, and the inlet is on the correct side. I thought the Mach1 inlet was on the passenger side.

Picture is a Cobra.

[Lowndex]

I believe the Vortech kit got CARB approval on Mustang, then somehow got by on Marauders based on that CARB sticker.

It is, but I want the Kenne Bell liquid cooled blower.

[Mr. Man]

Since the block is the same, what if anything would need to be swapped off the Marauder to make this fit?

[FordNut]

Since the block is the same, what if anything would need to be swapped off the Marauder to make this fit?

Physically, fit isn't the problem. I believe the '05 Cobra had driver's side air filter and SC inlet. It would probably interfere with the Marauder cowl and wipers.

California emissions compliance is the problem. Maybe there is a water cooled retrofit for the '03-'04 Cobra that would fit the Mach1. The problem there is the Mach1 and '99-'01 Cobra kit has a short snout blower to line up with the original serpentine belt. The '03-'04 Cobra has a longer snout to line up with the Cobra blower belt. Not sure where the '05 Cobra belt would fit in with this scheme. I believe it had two belts, but the inner belt was for the blower instead of the outer belt like the Terminator. And it had more ribs. I doubt a '05 and up kit would be CARB compliant on a '03-'04 car.

And the '05 was a 5.4 instead of a 4.6

[Logizyme]

Why not just Eaton swap and say its the entire engine from a 04 cobra, engine has not been modified.

[Lowndex]

Because I want the Kenne Bell.

[MOTOWN]

Because I want the Kenne Bell.

I thought you were sold on the adtr vortech kit?

[2mercs]

Ugly toaster blower. Stick with the hairdryer.

[MOTOWN]

The Kenne Bell blowers are very mean , i like them.

[FordNut]

It is, but I want the Kenne Bell liquid cooled blower.

You might have to move out of California then.

[Lowndex]

I thought you were sold on the adtr vortech kit?

I was until a certain member here got me all worked up about liquid cooled Kenne Bell blowers. This whole Kenne Bell thing is his fault! :mad2:

[RubberCtyRauder]

Liquid, shmiquid...Stegmeier can add his liquid cooling to an eaton blower..Kenny Bell is a name, nothing overly perfect about their blowers..they might be popular with the mustang crowd of an era but they dont rank supreme

[MOTOWN]

If your looking to make power i wouldn't consider an eaton blower , i would go whipple , or Kenne Bell , eatons are small and not very efficient past 10 to 11psl

[RubberCtyRauder]

he may not make any power with CA smog check compliance..

[MOTOWN]

he may not make any power with CA smog check compliance..

Very true , i honestly don't think any of the options are ca smog legal on a Marauder , i keep forgetting he's in California.

[blkZooM]

Cali sounds a like a horrible place to be if your guy and like to mod them.


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[Lowndex]

he may not make any power with CA smog check compliance..

Imagine a special tune titled, "Pass Smog", with Stage 2 changed to Stage 1.

[RubberCtyRauder]

It will be cool if he and life speed can find the combo that passes the loophole, but doesn't it have to pass every year or two? I mean what if the referee says yes this year then next time it's a new referee this time. Does a first time pass have weight with subsequent inspections?

[RubberCtyRauder]

This is the type of information I am seeking. Now I have something to investigate.

Anything else you can think of?

Thank you.


Imagine a special tune titled, "Pass Smog", with Stage 2 changed to Stage 1.

Your visual inspection may fail. Tuning part is easy

[FordNut]

Take the test NA, swap to blower setup next day. Next time it's due for a test, swap back to NA. Repeat.

[Lowndex]

Take the test NA, swap to blower setup next day. Next time it's due for a test, swap back to NA. Repeat.

Even better. I am no longer worried about pass CA Smog emission testing; just the other stuff.

[MOTOWN]

Hell i would just buy a hellcat , or a C7 Z06 Vette, and be done with it.

[justbob]

Same here. Why fight for such an old car?


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[Lowndex]

Same here. Why fight for such an old car?


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Because anyone can buy the other cars. My Marauder is soecial!

[Lowndex]

It will be cool if he and life speed can find the combo that passes the loophole, but doesn't it have to pass every year or two? I mean what if the referee says yes this year then next time it's a new referee this time. Does a first time pass have weight with subsequent inspections?

No, one pass does mean others will. Every test is independent of prior tests.

[lifespeed]

The Kenne Bell blowers are very mean , i like them.

They do a great job of unrestricted airflow and good compressor efficiency. Low speed torque of a PD blower is neat, and it will still work to 6000 RPM.

[lifespeed]

It will be cool if he and life speed can find the combo that passes the loophole, but doesn't it have to pass every year or two? I mean what if the referee says yes this year then next time it's a new referee this time. Does a first time pass have weight with subsequent inspections?

The referee applies a door sticker stating year and model of the replacement engine. You're good after that at any smog station.

From what little I know at this point the major obstacle could be the more-primitive mustang PCM (that Fordnut was kind enough to provide a model number for, thanks!!) interfacing with the Marauder.

We need to understand if the PCM identifies itself as Mustang or Marauder. Would a Mustang PCM need to be installed temporarily, or is it even compatible?

[lifespeed]

Take the test NA, swap to blower setup next day. Next time it's due for a test, swap back to NA. Repeat.

A course of last resort, rather painful.

[lifespeed]

Same here. Why fight for such an old car?

This from the guy who supercharged and put in a stick shift? There isn't another car out there that can do what the Marauder can, especially if you consider towing.

My brother just bought a 2014 CTS-Vsport. Beautiful car, fantastic ride and handling. But it won't tow. Maybe a weird requirement but separate vehicle just for occasional towing displaces a LOT of Marauder upgrade money.

[lifespeed]

P.S. The part number for the 03/04 Mach 1 block is 3L2Z-6010-AA. The casting on the side is 1L2E-6015-BB, the same as the 03/04 Marauder. The Ford replacement block was casting 3L2Z-6010-AA. This is very similar to the 3L2E-6015-CC and cheaper. I think JDM has them new for around $800.

Thank you for the information.

[FordNut]

The referee applies a door sticker stating year and model of the replacement engine. You're good after that at any smog station.

From what little I know at this point the major obstacle could be the more-primitive mustang PCM (that Fordnut was kind enough to provide a model number for, thanks!!) interfacing with the Marauder.

We need to understand if the PCM identifies itself as Mustang or Marauder. Would a Mustang PCM need to be installed temporarily, or is it even compatible?

Why would the PCM have to be replaced along with the engine? Swap to the Mach1 engine NA first and connect it to the Marauder PCM. If you can show the referee that the engines themselves are the same independent of the PCM then you could get a door sticker. Once you have the door sticker, add the Mach1-approved mods. Slow process, but it might work.

[justbob]

This from the guy who supercharged and put in a stick shift? There isn't another car out there that can do what the Marauder can, especially if you consider towing.

My brother just bought a 2014 CTS-Vsport. Beautiful car, fantastic ride and handling. But it won't tow. Maybe a weird requirement but separate vehicle just for occasional towing displaces a LOT of Marauder upgrade money.


I did give up. When I was told by the head EPA emissions guy himself that I actually increased fuel mileage but he couldn't allow a pass because eight transmission codes had to be turned off I.E. tampering... I decided to quit trying at that point and cut every damn emission device off the car except cats and register it elsewhere. When the day comes that that will no longer work, and it will, the car goes up for sale or taken apart. It's something I'm prepared to do and simply move on.


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[Lowndex]

Why would the PCM have to be replaced along with the engine? Swap to the Mach1 engine NA first and connect it to the Marauder PCM. If you can show the referee that the engines themselves are the same independent of the PCM then you could get a door sticker. Once you have the door sticker, add the Mach1-approved mods. Slow process, but it might work.

What we (Lifespeed and me) are hoping to achieve.

[Lowndex]

A course of last resort, rather painful.

Much $$$$ (removal and re-install) labor painful, .............., every two years!

If it comes to that, Vortech with a CARB certificate is my choice.

[RubberCtyRauder]

I ' not sure the Mach I kenne bell is available except for hit or miss used. I don't recall seeing it on their site

[lifespeed]

I did give up.

I feel your pain. You invested a lot to build a great car.

[lifespeed]

I ' not sure the Mach I kenne bell is available except for hit or miss used. I don't recall seeing it on their site

If you have the $$, they will sell you the blower.

[Lowndex]

If you have the $$, they will sell you the blower.

I believe the point was, a blower with a CARB certificate for an 04 Mach 1. Which model is that one?

[lifespeed]

Why would the PCM have to be replaced along with the engine? Swap to the Mach1 engine NA first and connect it to the Marauder PCM. If you can show the referee that the engines themselves are the same independent of the PCM then you could get a door sticker. Once you have the door sticker, add the Mach1-approved mods. Slow process, but it might work.

You've got the two different Leeeeegal engine replacement options mixed together here. The Mach 1 is essentially the same engine. You can replace a Marauder engine with one from a Mach 1, keeping all the Marauder emissions and PCM configuration, and nobody will be the wiser. They even mention this in the rules. Same engine "type" can be swapped without referee approval, smogs as the model/engine of the Marauder chassis.

The engine swap approach allows you to swap in a completely different engine and smog as the donor model/engine/year. This approach legalizes CARB accessories for the more-popular Mustang.

Also, I will comment this is not a "loophole". The onerous rules were written with barely a concession to the reality that cars would need their engines replaced. This is 100% legal and by the book. Not to mention a PITA.

[lifespeed]

I believe the point was, a blower with a CARB certificate for an 04 Mach 1. Which model is that one?

I called them, they still sell it. Blower is the same as all the other 2.8L they sell, but they went to the trouble to get the CARB exemption for it. Probably a few small parts also.

Kenne Bell 2004 Mach 1 CARB legal blower with Mammoth intake TS1000-03C-MAM-2.8

[Lowndex]

I called them, they still sell it. Blower is the same as all the other 2.8L they sell, but they went to the trouble to get the CARB exemption for it. Probably a few small parts also.

Kenne Bell 2004 Mach 1 CARB legal blower with Mammoth intake TS1000-03C-MAM-2.8

I expect you to work out all the minor details with the PCM. :D

[blkZooM]

What will you do about the cowl from the looks the mammoth will hit it, "from the looks" at least no one has actually ever tried it to confirm.


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[FordNut]

I called them, they still sell it. Blower is the same as all the other 2.8L they sell, but they went to the trouble to get the CARB exemption for it. Probably a few small parts also.

Kenne Bell 2004 Mach 1 CARB legal blower with Mammoth intake TS1000-03C-MAM-2.8

That part number is for a cobra.
Most of the tuner kits are not approved for CA
from an old 2010 price list:

* TS1000-MACH+ KIT 4799.00
5 PSI KIT W/AC (MACH 1) NON INTERCOOLED INCLUDES BOOST-A-PUMP, CHIP, 42LB INJECTORS, COOL AIR KIT, 90MM METER, 2.1L

* TS1000-MACH-INT KIT 6799.00
9 PSI KIT W/AC (MACH 1) INTERCOOLED INCLUDES BOOST-A-PUMP, CHIP, 42LB INJECTORS, COOL AIR KIT, 90MM METER, 2.1L

** TB1000-MACH+ KIT 6399.00
16-20 PSI KIT W/AC (MACH 1) INTERCOOLED INCLUDES BOOST-A-PUMP, 2.1L
(Recommend '03 Cobra style rods & pistons. 8 rib system required for 650-700+HP. Use 60lb injectors and Big Oval Throttle Body

(* ) 50 STATE LEGAL
(**) NOT LEGAL FOR SALE OR USE IN CALIFORNIA ON POLLUTION CONTROLLED MOTOR VEHICLES. FOR COMPETITION USE ONLY.

[Lowndex]

What will you do about the cowl from the looks the mammoth will hit it, "from the looks" at least no one has actually ever tried it to confirm.


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I accept the challenge.

[J-MAN]

Direct Vent Injection?

[lifespeed]

That part number is for a cobra.
Most of the tuner kits are not approved for CA
from an old 2010 price list:

I got that part number straight from KB. I don't know if an old price list is the definitive guide to what is available.