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tdotcv
04-07-2016, 12:19 PM
The Marauder is Supercharged and was denied the emissions test today at my local auto shop in Toronto.

They told me the Marauder's computer had been reprogrammed because of the S/C and it has to be reset back to factory settings before I do the test. I asked how did the emissions centre know what I did to my car. They told me my computer told them it had performance work done.

I have the SCT tuner but I have never used it before so don't kill me for asking this question. I am hesitant to use it because I don't want to screw anything up. Am I supposed to use the SCT handheld tuner and rest it back to factory mode, get the test done then reset it back to the setting it's on now. I hope it's that easy. Or is the car going to run horrible on factory mode because of the supercharger and then I'm screwed and have to get it tuned again. My tuner is 4 hrs away I donot want to drive all the way there. Can I swap back and forth tunes with the handheld?

88LTDCV351
04-07-2016, 12:49 PM
Most likely, they knew because your performance supercharger tune probably has all your emissions sensors and components "turned off". I would think you only need to get another supercharger tune that leaves them on. Switch back to your other tune after your emissions test.

Also remember that you have to drive for like 100 miles after the smog equipment is turned on for it to register on your computer.

camelgrundle
04-07-2016, 12:57 PM
Yes what he said! If you know any really good shops with a dyno you need a custom tune and specify that all equipment needs to be in the "ready state". Unless mo could hook you up with a custom tune to load on your hand held to pass emissions.

RubberCtyRauder
04-07-2016, 01:29 PM
It needs a supercharger emissions tune as stated. Your tuner should be able to do without the car but not every tuner is the same. It will have all monitors on etc and not feel supercharged probably

tdotcv
04-07-2016, 01:46 PM
I have my handheld tuner I just never used. What is it even used for. I'm guessing it has my performance tune with all emissions turned off and a 2nd tune which is the factory setting.

RubberCtyRauder
04-07-2016, 01:51 PM
Factory setting don't work for supercharged. Might blow motor. The sct holds the tune in memory. You need a seperate supercharged emissions tune to take place of the existing one, then when passed you change back to the other tune. The device will store them both for future

FordNut
04-07-2016, 04:26 PM
If they simply read the PCM, putting it back to the stock tune and driving it easy until everything is in ready state should accomplish that. Sometimes supercharger installs will physically remove some things like EGR. If so, it will probably have to be reinstalled.

If the emissions test includes running it on the dyno, you risk a blown engine if it goes into boost with the stock timing tables. Maybe an option in that case would be to connect the vacuum line to the bypass valve so it is always open and minimizes boost. I believe you could connect a check valve in line with the vacuum line so the bypass valve will always have vacuum on it.

justbob
04-07-2016, 04:40 PM
I've driven as slowly as I could on a stock tune Eaton swap car and started to hear detonation at only 1,800 RPMS.. Keep in mind your injectors and MAF have increased in size and that's not even counting anything deleted.

On my old Trilogy set up I swapped tunes, reinstalled the stock injectors, MAF, and air box, and took the blower belt off to pass. Talk about a dog..


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chief455
04-07-2016, 04:56 PM
Don't kill me, but what about removing the blower belt and running on the stock tune?
Granted - ALL the monitors will need to set, and that requires highway and city driving......

camelgrundle
04-07-2016, 05:04 PM
With mine it would run rich at idle and throw codes, even with opening up a vacuum port to add more air. I had to have my tuner give me the same tune and just enabled all the sensors. So I just switch back and forth for inspections on the hand held.

tdotcv
04-07-2016, 06:11 PM
My egr was deleted and I dont want to do labour on the car just to pass a stupid test. What if I drove it to the shop and then changed the tune right there, eliminating the need to drive. In Toronto they just hook up a big hose to the exhaust tip. Once the test is completed I can switch back the tune to performance in the shop, again eliminating the risk of driving it.

RubberCtyRauder
04-07-2016, 06:23 PM
I'm not sure but with no egr it may not pass in stock form . Can you call your tuner and ask about an emissions tune?

camelgrundle
04-07-2016, 06:29 PM
In Ny I believe you can have one "not ready" but cannot be off in the tune. Check your state rules. Maybe your tuner can make a new tune with everything on and have your egr not ready. I drove my car for almost a year with no inspection because I did not want to deal with the new rules lol. Oh would you look at that August 2015, I guess I need to do mine too lol.

chief455
04-07-2016, 07:03 PM
In Ny I believe you can have one "not ready" but cannot be off in the tune. Check your state rules. Maybe your tuner can make a new tune with everything on and have your egr not ready. I drove my car for almost a year with no inspection because I did not want to deal with the new rules lol. Oh would you look at that August 2015, I guess I need to do mine too lol.
^ I have done this = passed with one moniter 'not ready'.
As far as loading the tune when you pull in for testing, if they plug into your OBD port at all, you will fail. No driving data.
If the testing is ONLY sniffing the tail pipe, you might pass is is?

camelgrundle
04-07-2016, 07:08 PM
Yeah the Evaps takes the longest. I was told so many things but I have found that you load the inspection tune and drive normal for one day then the day of inspection hit city and highway and have passed. I did not need to go more then 15-20 miles.

chief455
04-07-2016, 07:08 PM
The Marauder is Supercharged and was denied the emissions test today at my local auto shop in Toronto.

They told me the Marauder's computer had been reprogrammed because of the S/C and it has to be reset back to factory settings before I do the test. I asked how did the emissions centre know what I did to my car. They told me my computer told them it had performance work done.

I have the SCT tuner but I have never used it before so don't kill me for asking this question. I am hesitant to use it because I don't want to screw anything up. Am I supposed to use the SCT handheld tuner and rest it back to factory mode, get the test done then reset it back to the setting it's on now. I hope it's that easy. Or is the car going to run horrible on factory mode because of the supercharger and then I'm screwed and have to get it tuned again. My tuner is 4 hrs away I donot want to drive all the way there. Can I swap back and forth tunes with the handheld?
If you can contact your original tuner, he needs to provide you a tune with all emissions monitors 'on'. Provided your components (EGR, O2 sensors) are in place and working, you will need to perform a proper drive cycle to set the monitors to 'ready. That will pass an OBD test.

ChiTownMaraud3r
04-07-2016, 08:27 PM
I've driven as slowly as I could on a stock tune Eaton swap car and started to hear detonation at only 1,800 RPMS.. Keep in mind your injectors and MAF have increased in size and that's not even counting anything deleted.

On my old Trilogy set up I swapped tunes, reinstalled the stock injectors, MAF, and air box, and took the blower belt off to pass. Talk about a dog..


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You still passed with EGR turned off from the delete?

justbob
04-07-2016, 08:29 PM
You still passed with EGR turned off from the delete?


I had an EGR back then.


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justbob
04-07-2016, 08:32 PM
Yeah the Evaps takes the longest. I was told so many things but I have found that you load the inspection tune and drive normal for one day then the day of inspection hit city and highway and have passed. I did not need to go more then 15-20 miles.


EVAP won't ready it's own self if ambient is less than 50*. Hence the one monitor they let slide. Like they are doing you a favor...

They know damn well it won't. I bet they don't allow cat monitors to not be ready.


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ChiTownMaraud3r
04-07-2016, 08:33 PM
Kind of dreading my car's prostate exam that's due by May. First time since the eaton that it will be tested. Hopefully passes.

blkZooM
04-07-2016, 08:53 PM
Sheeh. I'm happy I live in a big city, slip him an extra $40 and I'm on my way :D

kernie
04-07-2016, 09:35 PM
Not sure if you can make this work but in Ontario you can get a conditional pass with $450. emissions related repairs.


https://www.ontario.ca/faq/what-if-i-cant-afford-make-repairs-needed-pass-drive-clean-test

:beer:

Logizyme
04-07-2016, 09:39 PM
Mine is due right now too. Same thing here in WA, one monitor in a not ready state is ok, as long is it is not the catalyst.

Mine's EGR deleted - everything else in tact so I hope to be ok. Right after my test I will be putting on cat-less stainless works so that'll kill all hopes of passing in the future, but I will have at least two years before I need a test again, if WA is still doing testing in my area then(they are phasing it out)

justbob
04-08-2016, 03:06 AM
Kind of dreading my car's prostate exam that's due by May. First time since the eaton that it will be tested. Hopefully passes.


If all the monitors are on and ready then you'll be just fine.


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Zack
04-08-2016, 05:10 AM
Kind of dreading my car's prostate exam that's due by May. First time since the eaton that it will be tested. Hopefully passes.

If I loaded the tune in the car, it most likely will not pass.

Any SC tune I load has the rear O2's off, just like every other tuner does.

You never went for a dyno tune???

ChiTownMaraud3r
04-08-2016, 05:34 AM
If I loaded the tune in the car, it most likely will not pass.

Any SC tune I load has the rear O2's off, just like every other tuner does.

You never went for a dyno tune???
You did. And I've never gone to a dyno. They were months out and I never reserved any spots..car's ran fine.

I believe I did fail once before the Eaton due to rear o2s off....

Ugh. Any chance 02 simulators and updated tune would help?

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Zack
04-08-2016, 05:37 AM
You did. And I've never gone to a dyno. They were months out and I never reserved any spots..car's ran fine.

I believe I did fail once before the Eaton due to rear o2s off....

Ugh. Any chance 02 simulators and updated tune would help?

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That's what you need.

cer0413
04-08-2016, 06:25 AM
You did. And I've never gone to a dyno. They were months out and I never reserved any spots..car's ran fine.

I believe I did fail once before the Eaton due to rear o2s off....

Ugh. Any chance 02 simulators and updated tune would help?

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I still have my 02 simulators. Only 20 miles of usage but you can have them if you like. All I require is a good feed back score lol.

Red Rum
04-08-2016, 06:38 AM
Remember you have to drive the car more then a 100 miles. And in both driving modes. Meaning on the highway. And locally on stop and go traffic. In order for it too pass. Martyo AKA Marty did my tune. For my car with the SCT tuner. And told me that I had too drive in stop and go and on the highway. And she passed. But my car for now doesn't have a SC. It will soon just waiting for it. But I do have a full Kooks headers X-pipe with high flow cats and Borla Pro-XS mufflers. Accufab twin blade Throttle body JLT Cold air kit. And she passed on a stock tune. After I did the both modes of driving. Good luck

ChiTownMaraud3r
04-08-2016, 07:21 AM
That's what you need.

Kept the EGR in mind so much I completely forgot the wonderful state of Illinois cracked down on any catalyst modifications after 2012ish.... FAIL.


I still have my 02 simulators. Only 20 miles of usage but you can have them if you like. All I require is a good feed back score lol.

I only feedback PVD wheel vendors :D

justbob
04-08-2016, 08:07 AM
Why do I keep seeing "drive 100 miles"? Mileage doesn't account for anything. It's how you drive it. Or try and find a remote road to try to accomplish Ford's goofy drive cycle for quicker results.


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Ourobos
04-08-2016, 08:32 AM
Move to KY... Not a lot of Liberal tree huggers around here.. 'Merica

jwibbity
04-08-2016, 08:50 AM
Why do I keep seeing "drive 100 miles"? Mileage doesn't account for anything. It's how you drive it. Or try and find a remote road to try to accomplish Ford's goofy drive cycle for quicker results.


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You think Ford's is bad, you should try doing Hyundai drive cycle, you'd kill everybody on the highway if you tried it :lol:

Turbov6Bryan
04-08-2016, 09:46 AM
Move to KY... Not a lot of Liberal tree huggers around here.. 'Merica

Same with Kansas and Missouri:)

All Mo does is visual inspection on brakes and suspension

ChiTownMaraud3r
04-08-2016, 09:56 AM
Same with Kansas and Missouri:)

All Mo does is visual inspection on brakes and suspension

Couldn't live with the personal property tax though. Gross. :puke:

2,4shofast
04-08-2016, 10:30 AM
Move to KY... Not a lot of Liberal tree huggers around here.. 'Merica


I love KY:beer:, if I had the choice to move anywhere it would be there.

chief455
04-08-2016, 10:45 AM
Why do I keep seeing "drive 100 miles"? Mileage doesn't account for anything. It's how you drive it. Or try and find a remote road to try to accomplish Ford's goofy drive cycle for quicker results.


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^this.
100 miles does not mean monitors will be set.
Best way is to plug an OBD scan tool in, do the Ford drive cycle, and watch your monitors set.
I did this within 15 minutes of through town road I could stop + go a few times, a quick 65mph down the highway and decel with foot off throttle (set the EVAP and O2 and CATALYST), and back through town.

Turbov6Bryan
04-08-2016, 10:56 AM
Couldn't live with the personal property tax though. Gross. :puke:

True. Did you notice how nice our roads are?

ChiTownMaraud3r
04-08-2016, 11:25 AM
True. Did you notice how nice our roads are?

I figured it's your lack of snow/ice on your roads vs the crappy midwest's.

cer0413
04-08-2016, 12:14 PM
I figured it's your lack of snow/ice on your roads vs the crapper midwest's.
Ice storms there are similar to ours

Ourobos
04-08-2016, 12:25 PM
I love KY:beer:, if I had the choice to move anywhere it would be there.
Funny, I love Utah.. One of the most beautiful states.

cer0413
04-08-2016, 12:35 PM
Funny, I love Utah.. One of the most beautiful states.
How close are you to Frankfort?

mtenderenda
04-08-2016, 02:02 PM
I had the same issue. I had to get the car on a dyno and reprogrammed and it helped me pass emissions and inspection

Blackened300a
04-08-2016, 06:03 PM
I made it a point that all my emissions equipment be turned on and functional in any tune I ever installed in my car, my car passes NY emissions even with the trilogy. Is there really any advantage to deleting the EGR, and turning off the rear O2s?

NY allows one "not ready" for the test and you have to complete a specific drive cycle once a tune is loaded or all the monitors won't be set. Like was said, it's not the mileage, it's the driving conditions.

Ourobos
04-08-2016, 07:16 PM
How close are you to Frankfort?
I'm in south central KY.. Frankfort is north east, about 2.5 hours.

JimP
04-08-2016, 08:30 PM
To the original poster, I sent you a private message, have a look.

ChiTownMaraud3r
04-11-2016, 12:33 PM
Why do I keep seeing "drive 100 miles"? Mileage doesn't account for anything. It's how you drive it. Or try and find a remote road to try to accomplish Ford's goofy drive cycle for quicker results.


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Sorry tried to PM you but you're full of it and it won't let me..

Do you think this is accurate, guy says will still pass with EGR not supported if everything else is good..

http://www.chicagolandmustang.com/forums/showthread.php?52470-A-lot-of-Emissions-answered-in-HERE&p=1540383&viewfull=1#post1540383

chief455
04-11-2016, 02:01 PM
Sorry tried to PM you but you're full of it and it won't let me..

Do you think this is accurate, guy says will still pass with EGR not supported if everything else is good..

http://www.chicagolandmustang.com/forums/showthread.php?52470-A-lot-of-Emissions-answered-in-HERE&p=1540383&viewfull=1#post1540383
EGR can be 'not ready', and if it's the only monitor not ready, it should pass.
It can not be 'not supported'. That means the monitor is disabled in your tune = fail.

RubberCtyRauder
04-11-2016, 02:07 PM
The orgiginal poster is in Ontario Canada so it could be vastly different rules and allowances

tdotcv
04-11-2016, 02:17 PM
Maybe mine is a different problem because the computer is tuned and the test can't be run because of that the monitors aren't even setting because of the tune

JimP
04-11-2016, 03:10 PM
Marauders have passed in Ontario with only the F fuel and CC comprehesive component monitors enabled. I'm due for the test as well, I highly doubt I will get to it this week but will let you know. I got your PM, I just replied.

RubberCtyRauder
04-11-2016, 03:13 PM
Maybe mine is a different problem because the computer is tuned and the test can't be run because of that the monitors aren't even setting because of the tune

That's why you need a new tune to use for emissions only. It will have the settings enabled for emissions testing. One tune to pass emissions then lax up your full tune as is.

There is no other way around it. You can not do it yourself. Your tuner or another has to create it. The computer only holds one tune at a time. You have to dowload them into the car OBD port . The tune you need fir emissions a then download the other tune after emissions

tdotcv
04-11-2016, 05:12 PM
The egr isn't even hooked up its deleted. If I switch back to an emissions mode that code will come up i think. Tomorrow I will update I'm going to the shop to take a look at it.

justbob
04-12-2016, 04:37 AM
Sorry tried to PM you but you're full of it and it won't let me..

Do you think this is accurate, guy says will still pass with EGR not supported if everything else is good..

http://www.chicagolandmustang.com/forums/showthread.php?52470-A-lot-of-Emissions-answered-in-HERE&p=1540383&viewfull=1#post1540383


Your best off to get the answer you seek directly from Hitlers camp.

http://www.epa.illinois.gov/topics/air-quality/mobile-sources/vehicle-emissions-testing/faqs/obd/index

Scroll down to "What are readiness monitors?" and see what they consider non continuous monitors and the next section will show you exactly which monitors they will let slide. Easy short read. Looks like you'll be fine.

Illinois follows USEPA standards like all or most other states. So anytime Adolf changes, we follow along like good little sheeple...


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