Pulling engine and transmission this weekend

[lifespeed]

It is finally time after 6 weeks of a dead car sitting in the garage. Will be renting a hoist, putting the engine on a stand and disassembling for shipment of the block and heads, covers and transmission to the engine and transmission builders.

If any bay area Marauder owners feel like stopping by San Jose to lend a hand I would be glad for the help. Jockeying it out without scratching the paint is a two-person job.

[Zack]

It's much easier to remove them seperately

[Lowndex]

It is finally time after 6 weeks of a dead car sitting in the garage. Will be renting a hoist, putting the engine on a stand and disassembling for shipment of the block and heads, covers and transmission to the engine and transmission builders.

If any bay area Marauder owners feel like stopping by San Jose to lend a hand I would be glad for the help. Jockeying it out without scratching the paint is a two-person job.

What time Saturday morning should I arrive? I have one good arm (elbow surgery 5 weeks ago). So, more help is welcomed.

[510paesan]

I can make it. Pm me a phone number. I'll bring beer :)

[lifespeed]

It's much easier to remove them seperately

That is the plan, but they both have to come out.


What time Saturday morning should I arrive? I have one good arm (elbow surgery 5 weeks ago). So, more help is welcomed.

I'm finally feeling up to the job myself. Have to get it going or I'll delay the even-slower builders.


I can make it. Pm me a phone number. I'll bring beer :)

PM sent, thanks!

[Lowndex]

I can make it. Pm me a phone number. I'll bring beer :)

Now everybody will show up. Great strategy.

[510paesan]

Now everybody will show up. Great strategy.

works everytime!:banana:

[lifespeed]

What time Saturday morning should I arrive? I have one good arm (elbow surgery 5 weeks ago). So, more help is welcomed.

I'll pick up the hoist at 8:30AM, so 10:00AM should be early enough.

[Turbov6Bryan]

It's always nice to have a few extra hands helping out :)

Don't forget to buy floor dry and a few extra catch all pans

[dohc324ci]

Lol I'll show up and give caltrans a run for its money! Should I bring my 18volt Ryobi?

[jus4kix03MM]

I can try to make it out there and lend a hand.

[lifespeed]

LOL, all are welcome, I'll pick up something for the barbecue also. Tools might be helpful, although I have most of the usual suspects. I don't have a compact 3/8" air ratchet, I have always just used hand tools. I have a 1/2" impact but that is mostly only good for lug nuts, to large to fit inside an engine bay comfortably.

PMs sent.

[510paesan]

Got the air ratchet.


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[Lowndex]

I have an engine builder that is taking 6 months to do 3 months of work! Want to trade?

[510paesan]

I have an engine builder that is taking 6 months to do 3 months of work! Want to trade?



You should have brought beer !

[justbob]

I'll pick up the hoist at 8:30AM, so 10:00AM should be early enough. Figure I'll start warming the grill around noon while someone is transferring the engine from the hoist to the stand.


Fixed!



BTW dewalt's 20V 1/4" impact is my most used tool in the box anymore. Simply awesome for light/medium duty. Light weight, widely universal, less time listening to the compressor, and plenty of uses even around the house. I own four different versions from 1/4" to 1/2"!

Sorry, just hearing you mention "by hand" made me cringe. [emoji6]


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[guspech750]

Fixed!



BTW dewalt's 20V 1/4" impact is my most used tool in the box anymore. Simply awesome for light/medium duty. Light weight, widely universal, less time listening to the compressor, and plenty of uses even around the house. I own four different versions from 1/4" to 1/2"!

Sorry, just hearing you mention "by hand" made me cringe. [emoji6]


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Yes, my Makita impact is a god send and my most used tool I own. Can't believe it's lasted this long and still going strong.


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[Lowndex]

You guys pull your nose hairs and trim your eyebrows because I will be filming Saturday with a GoPro Hero 4 Black.

[babbage]

You guys pull your nose hairs and trim your eyebrows because I will be filming Saturday with a GoPro Hero 4 Black.


hehe - funny. post up some pics...

[F1erceK]

Just make sure you rent a big enough crane. The harbor freight ones (here at least) wouldn't reach. I had to borrow my step-dads OTC 4-ton crane...

http://martel.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/IMG_2866.jpg

The pic above is when I pulled the factory motor for my teksid build.

Edit: I removed the actual BBcode [IMG] because its super huge.

[lifespeed]

Just make sure you rent a big enough crane. The harbor freight ones (here at least) wouldn't reach. I had to borrow my step-dads OTC 4-ton crane...

I am renting the hoist, and a co-worker gave me the engine stand he built 40 years ago. So I dodged the harbor freight bullet this time.

[Lowndex]

A home made engine hoist. I am glad I am the cameraman. :)

[Lowndex]

We started at 10:30 am. 510paesan and lifespeed are way behind schedule. Between beers, I tell at them to work harder. This make take awhile.

Pictures to follow.

[Lowndex]

No other local members made it. Boo....

[Lowndex]

Six hours have passed and the following parts have been removed:

* left cats
* right cats
* starter

[Lowndex]

Now both wiper arms are off.

[lji372]

Are you guys on the third case of beer yet?

[justbob]

Must be at that pace! [emoji4]


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[lji372]

Must be at that pace! [emoji4]


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If you keep posting how am I going to catch your post count!

No response needed :beatnik: :P

[Lowndex]

Are you guys on the third case of beer yet?

Um,......., no comment.

[Lowndex]

3 blind men:

After 10 hrs of men enjoying being men, the engine and transmission remain as the only two pieces left to be removed. Tomorrow is another day.

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[babbage]

Looks good, the exhaust can be a ***** to remove. I cut the bolts from the cat to the H pipe as they were toast.

Not to de-rail but if one had SW long tubes could you just disconnect after the collector, remove the both 3" bullet cats and pull?

[justbob]

Looks good, the exhaust can be a ***** to remove. I cut the bolts from the cat to the H pipe as they were toast.

Not to de-rail but if one had SW long tubes could you just disconnect after the collector, remove the both 3" bullet cats and pull?


Yes.


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[Fastbob]

Is it out yet??? Too much screwing around if it's not.

[510paesan]

Cross member issues. How the $&@" is that supposed to come out ??!!


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[Fastbob]

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[MOTOWN]

Cross member issues. How the $&@" is that supposed to come out ??!!


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What issues are you having with the Xmember?

[Lowndex]

I have read every thread on removing the crossmember - back too 2007. It is clear the damn thing is press fit in place and a mother to get out.

The best advice given is:
* use a lift
* use anti seize fluid
* use a tree wedge above the cross member and frame to add a slight gap. Some prefer large crow bar and a helping hand using a block of wood and hammer to slowly move the crossmember out. Bending the crossmember is common for amateurs.
* once one side is free, the other follows much easier
* use a DA and remove rust, debris, etc from the cross member end and frame area - best you can. This greatly help re-install of the crossmember.
* profuse use of profanity is common

[MOTOWN]

There's no reason to remove the Xmember.

[Lowndex]

I knew that. Yes, what he said. :)

[Turbov6Bryan]

Sounds like there's a football been thrown in the mix muahahaha

Just messin with ya, any other questions you guys have?

[510paesan]

There's no reason to remove the Xmember.



Please elaborate. I was thinking removing the drive train as a whole would be more difficult. Hence us attempting to drop the transmission first.

[MOTOWN]

Please elaborate. I was thinking removing the drive train as a whole would be more difficult. Hence us attempting to drop the transmission first.

Pull the engine first , then the trans will be an easy peasy removal , thats the easiest way to get it out.

[510paesan]

Pull the engine first , then the trans will be an easy peasy removal , thats the easiest way to get it out.



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Thanks Motown. Appreciate the thoughtful input but I still have one concern.
Even if we remove the engine first. How do you lift the transmission high enough for the bolts underneath the extension housing to clear the crossmember? It doesn't look like there is enough clearance in between the tub and the top of the trans case.
The above picture was takin from google just for reference.

[MOTOWN]

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Thanks Motown. Appreciate the thoughtful input but I still have one concern.
Even if we remove the engine first. How do you lift the transmission high enough for the bolts underneath the extension housing to clear the crossmember? It doesn't look like there is enough clearance in between the tub and the top of the trans case.
The above picture was takin from google just for reference.

Just unbolt the transmission mount , and you will have enough clearance to remove it with the engine out.

[Comin' in Hot]

Unbolt the crossmember, and use an air chisel. it'll be out in five minutes. I've done it three times on jackstands.

[Comin' in Hot]

A good air chisel, A harbor freight piece of crap isn't going to get it done.

[blkZooM]

Just make sure you rent a big enough crane. The harbor freight ones (here at least) wouldn't reach. I had to borrow my step-dads OTC 4-ton crane...

http://martel.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/IMG_2866.jpg

The pic above is when I pulled the factory motor for my teksid build.

Edit: I removed the actual BBcode [IMG] because its super huge.



I made the Harbor fright one work, pulled it out all the way drilled my own hole and kept it moving.

[lifespeed]

A good air chisel, A harbor freight piece of crap isn't going to get it done.

Harbor Freight isn't getting much love. I like the air chisel idea. Cold chisel and a hammer didn't work so well. Despite it being possible to pull the trans forward off the crossmember with the engine out, now I have to remove the crossmember just to un-tweak the end from prying on it.

[babbage]

I'm sure you removed the 4 bolts for the x-member... yes? ;) I used a block of wood and big husky pry bar. did you get it out yet?

[MOTOWN]

Please tell me that engine isn't still in the car:confused:

[Lowndex]

Please tell me that engine isn't still in the car:confused:

Okay, Lifespeed will not tell you, but......, it is.

[lji372]

Okay, Lifespeed will not tell you, but......, it is.

Doh!! Sounds like good fun down there!! :beer:

[MOTOWN]

Okay, Lifespeed will not tell you, but......, it is.

Wish yall were close , i would come over and play shop foreman! :bandit:

[Lowndex]

Harbor Freight isn't getting much love. I like the air chisel idea. Cold chisel and a hammer didn't work so well. Despite it being possible to pull the trans forward off the crossmember with the engine out, now I have to remove the crossmember just to un-tweak the end from prying on it.

What does everyone have against cheap, Chinese made crap? :D

[Lowndex]

Wish yall were close , i would come over and play shop foreman! :bandit:

The last shop foreman is the reason the project was slowed. Said person was also the cameraman.

[510paesan]

Please tell me that engine isn't still in the car:confused:
as far as i know, like lowndex said, yes.


I'm sure you removed the 4 bolts for the x-member... yes? ;) I used a block of wood and big husky pry bar. did you get it out yet?
the 4 through bolts were removed. we took about a half hour break to kill time eat pizza and drink beer while crossmember was SOAKED with pb blaster. didnt work. didnt budge. i'll let Lifespeed comment later on that.

[justbob]

Anything that pisses me off like a stubborn cross member gets cut in half! They are simply too easy to come by or build your own to waste time on.


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[lifespeed]

I've got an air chisel and bits on the way to put some space between the c-channel bracket on the frame and crossmember. Hopefully it will be here by the weekend. Apparently a big pry bar is not always enough, and you can bend the crossmember with too much force anyway. I even looped a chain over the crossmember and under a floor jack to try and pull it free against the frame rail. It started to flex the frame so I stopped. The end of the crossmember is already tweaked a bit from prying, but can easily by repaired once it's out. I'm not going to wreck this stuff getting it out.

I'll get it, just need the right tools and technique. I'm more annoyed than anybody the engine isn't out, this should have been a relatively straightforward job. The crossmember is a real headache!

[Lowndex]

Be sure you take a da air sander to the top and bottom ends of the crossover (both ends). Get all the rust and even a little bit of stock material off. It will make re-install much easier. Maybe a little da work to the mounting brackets - place where crossmember is press fit into place.

[Comin' in Hot]

Removing your first crossmember is a Marauder right of passage... it doesn't come easy.

[8UWITH6]

Are we there yet?

[Lowndex]

Are we there yet?

For safety reasons, Clay has promised he will NOT remove the engine or transmission without his cameraman and chief mechanic "510paesan".

[JoeBoomz]

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1336436&postcount=37

Stay safe while trying to pry it out!

[Lowndex]

Hey Lifespeed,

When is the next fun-day planned for transmission and motor extraction?

[Fastbob]

Don't make me drive all the way out there to yank the motor out.

[lifespeed]

Hey Lifespeed,

When is the next fun-day planned for transmission and motor extraction?

I've got the air chisel, but the bits haven't arrived yet. Can't get them locally, every mfg uses a %@#$ different bit! Going to try a different pry bar approach today, but I'm not optimistic.

[Lowndex]

Other members have shared, using just wheel stands, you can pull the engine without removing the crossmember or transmission. Whatcha think?

You know what an ace wrench buster I am. 510paesan is okay. :)

[lji372]

This is why I feel okay with doing what I do well do I can afford to pay others to do what they do well.

Good luck, do not break a leg!!

[justbob]

Don't you have a junkyard that can provide you another crossmember? You probably paid equal price for a air chisel and bits. That much struggle and over a week delay more than justifies sawzalling it half and whacking it the hell out of the way. No way I'd let a piece of metal rule my day!




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[510paesan]

The junkyard thing is an option. But that still means removing it ourselves. No "pick n pull" will do the "pulling" here in the Bay Area. That's left up to the person that wants said part.
Regardless I don't think it will be necessary.


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[lifespeed]

The 1/2" air chisel bit arrived today, took the crossmember and transmission out tonight. Thanks Comin' in Hot.

I have to say the long pry bar is not great advice, all it does is mutilate a crossmember you probably want to re-use.

[lifespeed]

Other members have shared, using just wheel stands, you can pull the engine without removing the crossmember or transmission. Whatcha think?

You know what an ace wrench buster I am. 510paesan is okay. :)

Yeah, he's pretty good. But what would we do without the moral support and all your people on the internet?

[Zack]

Make sure you grind the crossmember down before re-installing....so this problem won't happen again.
Do not overtighten the 4 bolts, and coat the crossmember with anti-seize.

[510paesan]

The 1/2" air chisel bit arrived today, took the crossmember and transmission out tonight. Thanks Comin' in Hot.

I have to say the long pry bar is not great advice, all it does is mutilate a crossmember you probably want to re-use.



How'd it go? Sounds like it went easy enough but how does the bracket that the xmember was pressed into look ? My concern was that the air hammer or chisel in this case would have warped that as well.


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[510paesan]

Make sure you grind the crossmember down before re-installing....so this problem won't happen again.
Do not overtighten the 4 bolts, and coat the crossmember with anti-seize.



Amen.


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[lifespeed]

How'd it go? Sounds like it went easy enough but how does the bracket that the xmember was pressed into look ? My concern was that the air hammer or chisel in this case would have warped that as well.

It was easy. I still had a helper pry (gently) on the crossmember while I ran the air chisel. It was definitely less destructive than bending the crossmember. The C-channel bracket in the frame did not get spread much, it is still an interference fit. And the bolts will clamp it together anyway.

Have to go rent the cherry picker again this weekend, although with everything disconnected it should be trivial to pull the engine. Finally . . . :rolleyes:

[justbob]

If your bending the metal then your prying on it wrong.





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[lifespeed]

If your bending the metal then your prying on it wrong.

It is possible for it be jammed in there so tight even prying in the "correct" spot will bend it. I know what you're talking about, but that wasn't the issue.

[lifespeed]

I tore down the engine. It appears to be in really good condition, the bearings still have tooling marks on them. Very little cam lobe wear, some light carbon on the pistons. Plugs were totally clean without about 20K miles on them. One rod bearing looked slightly more "polished" than the others. Without a micrometer, inside dial indicator and/or plasti-gauge I'll never know.

I guess I expected the damage to be a little more obvious based on previous experience. But I did shut the engine down within about 5 miles of the first sign of knock, so it didn't have much chance to beat itself up.

Who knows, maybe the slight "polishing" marks on the bearings were the first indications of a wear or oiling problem. I'm still leaning towards a dry sump system. Aviaid makes a slick drivers-side mount oil pump that utilizes the oil/coolant mounting pad for the pump. All I have to do is swap the pulley-driven power steering pump with electric.