Lincoln Continental Heads

[cobra3073]

As some of you possibly know from another thread I started, I am waiting on a Teksid block {and other parts} that is enroute to me. My plan is to build a back-up motor for my 2003 Marauder...no current issues, just want to be prepared. The block that is on the way is allegedly out of a 2001 Cobra but there are no heads with the block. My original intent was to just build a short block and have it ready when I have to change out the motor in my Marauder.

As you all know, plans change when the bug bites. I have now found a 1998 Lincoln Mark VIII that I get for @200$. It also has the transmission, if I want it for an additional 75$.

While at the "yard", I also noticed four (4) Lincoln Continental that still had their motors in place. There are two 1998s, a 1999, and a 2001. I know that the pre 1999 Continentals have the "B" heads and the 1999 and 2001 have the "C' heads. I have done quite a bit of research online over the last couple of days and think I understand the basic differences between the heads from a performance standpoint. I realize it is dependent, to some degree, as to whether or not power adders are being considered.

Considering the current wisdom (by some folks online) that my 2003 Marauder heads are better than both the "B" and "C" heads, what would I have to do to the Continental heads to bring them up to the STOCK performance level of the Marauder heads?

Considering the heads are only about 80$ a pair, I might just get a pair of each but let the discussion begin.

BT

[Turbov6Bryan]

Let the discussion begin. Ummm ok, why choose the inferior heads?

Why not build the shortblock and stuff your heads on it????

[stevengerard]

What he said ^^^ changing heads and or cams are what you do to our motors after you have done absolutely everything else - that's not from me that is from the mouth of a Ford engineer I spoke to when discussing my engine rebuild who worked on these engines

[cobra3073]

Let the discussion begin. Ummm ok, why choose the inferior heads?
Are
Why not build the shortblock and stuff your heads on it????

As I tried to infer, this will essentially be a complete new engine as I will have the complete Mark Viii. Thinking of building that up with the better C heads off the Continental.

Again, I understand the merits of the better heads but am trying to determine what are the difference in the C and Marauder heads.

BT

[Turbov6Bryan]

As I tried to infer, this will essentially be a complete new engine as I will have the complete Mark Viii. Thinking of building that up with the better C heads off the Continental.

Again, I understand the merits of the better heads but am trying to determine what are the difference in the C and Marauder heads.

BT

From what I read, idk much about the old 96 up to 02 is that if your a B head guy, you want to go C. If your C you want the 03 up

If your a 03-05( aviator is 05) then you go with older cams, but I don't read where 03 up revert to older heads to make more power.

Just by judging from the amount the 03-05 heads sell for vs 80.00 cont heads should tell you something

You can put the older cams in the 03 up....

Idk? Seems odd you would go back a step for 10 hp?

[cobra3073]

From what I read, idk much about the old 96 up to 02 is that if your a B head guy, you want to go C. If your C you want the 03 up

If your a 03-05( aviator is 05) then you go with older cams, but I don't read where 03 up revert to older heads to make more power.

Just by judging from the amount the 03-05 heads sell for vs 80.00 cont heads should tell you something

You can put the older cams in the 03 up....

Idk? Seems odd you would go back a step for 10 hp?
Again, this is an EXTRA engine (or two) that I would be putting together.

Please read the COMPLETE original post...nothing odd about what I am doing except saving a heck of a lot of money versus as you say or infer losing 10 HP.

Trust me, I understand the basic performance gains and I am not asking for advice on what to do. I am asking for information on the difference in the heads that makes that allegedly extra 10 HP.

BT

BT

[Logizyme]

There is no reason to use any other head except the Marauder/Mach1/Aviator/Cobra head unless you are doing some highly custom fabricated manifold type setup.

Earlier C-heads limit performance and intake manifold options.
B-heads while potentially a good performer also would require custom manifold and some pretty high levels of performance goals.
GT/GT500/FR500 style heads again will require custom manifolds but are great performers.

[Turbov6Bryan]

Again, this is an EXTRA engine (or two) that I would be putting together.

Please read the COMPLETE original post...nothing odd about what I am doing except saving a heck of a lot of money versus as you say or infer losing 10 HP.

Trust me, I understand the basic performance gains and I am not asking for advice on what to do. I am asking for information on the difference in the heads that makes that allegedly extra 10 HP.

Cut from first post:
Considering the current wisdom (by some folks online) that my 2003 Marauder heads are better than both the "B" and "C" heads, what would I have to do to the Continental heads to bring them up to the STOCK performance level of the Marauder heads?


BT

Oh so you are going to dump 800 in porting 800 in valves 2000 in cams plus 80.00 to make the C heads "comparible" to stock heads

Sweet. Your gonna save a ton of money using the old heads

Maybe you should read post #2 and understand its value

[stevengerard]

As I tried to infer,

BT

OK, I think what you are saying is that you found a cheap Lincoln, you can build an engine for it with the extra teskid block and cheap heads. I for one wasn't clear on what you were asking. I don't know the difference in heads. Ask me about Olds heads I can help you. Hopefully someone on here will answer your question, wish I could help.

[cobra3073]

OK, I think what you are saying is that you found a cheap Lincoln, you can build an engine for it with the extra teskid block and cheap heads. I for one wasn't clear on what you were asking. I don't know the difference in heads. Ask me about Olds heads I can help you. Hopefully someone on here will answer your question, wish I could help.
Roger!

I guess my original post was not as clear as it could have been. LOL

BT

[cobra3073]

Well, after an exhaustive search online, I believe I have found a "link" that gets to the question I was trying to ask.

It might be relevant to others here on the Site, so here is the link:

http://www.mustangandfords.com/parts/m5lp-0412-ford-four-valve-head-information-guide/

Please note it also address available intakes when interchanging the different heads.

BT

[Turbov6Bryan]

POW

Our panel of experts surmised that, aside from the nearly unobtainable '00 R heads, the '03 DOHC heads are without question the right choice for your modular Four-Valve performance application. The combination of a slightly larger FR500 intake port and modified throat region, combined with a new, larger rectangular exhaust port and a relatively low price (due to its widespread use in the Ford organization), makes the '03 DOHC casting the current stud of Ford's modular stable.

Again, why not build the teksid block and stuff your heads on it?

You realize your "new" motor will need your marauder oil pickup tube, oil pan, front cover ect yada yada..., so you have to pull your marauder motor out, get your MM HEADS fixed/ checked 2 weeks max at the head shop...
Bolt you MM heads on and not waste a bunch of money in the old heads.
I would get the old cobra cams and use em :) they will need to be degreed in

Just makes sense to use the MM heads, why use the old crap with a ton of money in them????

Just trying to help
Bryan

[cobra3073]

POW

Our panel of experts surmised that, aside from the nearly unobtainable '00 R heads, the '03 DOHC heads are without question the right choice for your modular Four-Valve performance application. The combination of a slightly larger FR500 intake port and modified throat region, combined with a new, larger rectangular exhaust port and a relatively low price (due to its widespread use in the Ford organization), makes the '03 DOHC casting the current stud of Ford's modular stable.

Again, why not build the teksid block and stuff your heads on it?

You realize your "new" motor will need your marauder oil pickup tube, oil pan, front cover ect yada yada..., so you have to pull your marauder motor out, get your MM HEADS fixed/ checked 2 weeks max at the head shop...
Bolt you MM heads on and not waste a bunch of money in the old heads.
I would get the old cobra cams and use em :) they will need to be degreed in

Just makes sense to use the MM heads, why use the old crap with a ton of money in them????

Just trying to help
Bryan
Believe me, I hear you Bryan.

There is actually no problem with the motor that is currently in the Marauder.
That was my original plan, to just build a short block and have it ready when I tore my 2003 motor down for any reason (see other thread where I purchased the other teksid block and parts).

Meanwhile, I found this Mark Viii motor (complete) and thought I might build a spare race motor, with possible power adders with that engine. That is what brought about the questions on the heads.

The first teksid block actually has another set of cobra cams, allegedly. I will know when I receive the pallet from Cali and check the "numbers" next week. It also has forged Pistons and rods, so I will only need to procure a forged crank for the race motor. I am pretty sure I will be using that block as part of the short block that I will use when and if the daily driver 2003 marauder motor "goes." I will be simply transferring my Marauder parts to that block, along with the piston, rods and crank out of the Mark VIII. It depends on the condition of the two texsid blocks as to which one I use for both applications.

I intend on building the race motor (on the cheap) using the B or C heads from the spare (Mark VIII) motor or one of the Continentals. The intent is to use some form of power adder with this motor. Thinking of putting the motor into a fox body that I have but who knows I may decide to take the
Marauder "off the street" someday. One can never have enough spare race motors, especially when you can get the essentials cheap. LOL

I have been building, hot rodding, and racing "push rod" ford vehicles for nearly 50 years but the mod and computer cars are new for me so I REALLY do appreciate you all inputs and help.

BT

[maximusslade]

Okay.... simply put, if you are going to go NA, between the two, C heads are a better choice. If you are going to go forced induction, i.e. supercharger, both are good, but B heads have a little bit better flow rate, and I would do an IMRC delete if you go B heads with forced induction.

[maximusslade]

Honestly, thinking about it, I would try the 03 heads with either the 01 cobra cams or the 98 cobra cams if you can get them. That is the intake cams. They have a longer duration than the 03 cams. Don't worry about exhaust cams... they are all pretty much the same anyway. Actually, you'll probably find that for most years they are identical.

[Turbov6Bryan]

I believe I commented on your thread on your teksid, eye spy diablo MAF translater :) set it to 2 if you go eaton :)

[justbob]

If your concerned about a few extra ponies after forced induction then you bought the wrong blower..


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[cobra3073]

I believe I commented on your thread on your teksid, eye spy diablo MAF translater :) set it to 2 if you go eaton :)
Yes Bryan, that was a little something extra that is coming with the first teksid block. As Justbob noted, I probably will NOT need it on the race motor. LOL

I think I can still find some "use" for it though.

The more I research these "B' heads, the more impressed I am, quite frankly, especially for the race motor. I love the flow "possibilities" coupled with the inexpensive acquisition cost. I am thinking of picking up a couple more "sets" and practice a little porting on the exhaust side. It can't be any more difficult than porting the D0VE heads I have on my 472 (460 .060 over) '73 Grande.

BT

[maximusslade]

If you need B heads, I have a pair collecting dust on my garage floor. With IMRCs, both the new and the old style.

[cobra3073]

If you need B heads, I have a pair collecting dust on my garage floor. With IMRCs, both the new and the old style.

Thanks, but have access to two '98 Continentals here in a local yard...80$ for a pair.

Btw, read the thread on the other site of your journey with your car, VERY good read!

BT

[Turbov6Bryan]

Yes Bryan, that was a little something extra that is coming with the first teksid block. As Justbob noted, I probably will NOT need it on the race motor. LOL

I think I can still find some "use" for it though.

The more I research these "B' heads, the more impressed I am, quite frankly, especially for the race motor. I love the flow "possibilities" coupled with the inexpensive acquisition cost. I am thinking of picking up a couple more "sets" and practice a little porting on the exhaust side. It can't be any more difficult than porting the D0VE heads I have on my 472 (460 .060 over) '73 Grande.

BT

Just do some research on where to port, cut the throat and use a flow bench. Or make your own flow bench with a shop vac :) not kidding

[cobra3073]

Just do some research on where to port, cut the throat and use a flow bench. Or make your own flow bench with a shop vac :) not kidding
Yes, I read a very good thread over on one of the MOD Mustangs sites on the specifics relative to porting the exhaust ports.

BT

[maximusslade]

You just can't beat $80 for a pair of heads. Good luck!

[cobra3073]

Well, picked up three (3) sets of heads (1 "B" and 2 "C") out of a '98, '99, and '01 Continentals...cost me $291.45 with tax. Also have another set of "B" heads that I got that are on he '98 Mark VIII engine that I picked up a couple of weeks ago.

I am somewhat upset that someone beat me to the 2005 Aviator that came in about a week ago. Would have loved to have gotten that motor.

...now the FUN begins; gonna practice some Mod motor heads porting and see what I can do with these two Teksid blocks!

BT