FORD racing new part

[joflewbyu2]

4RW70W ALUMINUM TRANSMISSION PAN - M-7195-4R can be seen here: http://www.oemfordparts.com/PartDetail.asp?S=1&PartID=1592&SubCategoryID=1

[studio460]

Great part--thanks for the link! I'll probably get one of these. If someone beats me to it, can you measure the decrease in ground clearance, please?

[TAF]

Great part--thanks for the link! I'll probably get one of these. If someone beats me to it, can you measure the decrease in ground clearance, please?
Yes Shooter...that is an excellent question and a concern for those of us who've improved our handling with the Eibachs. I personally don't have the deeper pan...and the tranny experts I've spoken with tell me it's overkill on an N/A car. In fact...it can produce...as they said..."sloshing problems".

[SergntMac]

Do you need this mod? No. But, if you want it, remember that all mods have risks. You have to weigh them against the benefits, and see what works for you.

Several members here have gone to deeper tranny pans, and without any complaints that I recall at this time. On my MM, the FRP pan hangs just about even with my Reinhart exhaust, and the FRP pan is the same dimensions of Reinhart's pan, so, those who have that version can chime in too. BTW, my car is lower than the Eibachs will bring you.

Though it's deeper, it should not hang any closer to the ground than your engine oil pan, or, in some cases, custom exhaust systems. Other parts of your undercarriage will scrape before this pan, unless your tires toss up a road hazzard. If that happens, the FRP heavy gauge aluminum will withstand such a road hazzard better than the OEM tin. If you do scrape something, you have about 1/8 of an inch in a safety zone created by the cooling fins. You'll get some warning before doing any serious damage.

Before you order, eyeball it and do some simple measuring. You're adding just under 2" to the bottom of the OEM pan in place. While you're under there, that little bump in the center of the pan is where your pump sucks fluid. Seems to me that should you run a bit shy on tranny fluid, this is where sloshing may be a concern under hard acceleration. Adding two quarts of fluid here keeps enough fluid on hand at WOT, even throws some back into the tailshaft section, where lubrication can be an issue.

While aluminum expels heat rather quickly on it's own, the FRP pan adds cooling fins that dip into the air stream underneath the car. It's drain plug makes a lot of maintenence tasks easier, ask any wrench about that.

Well, there's your benefits...Oh, and it's pretty too. I'm sure this is important to some of us.

[joflewbyu2]

SergntMac what the height is? Can you please take a measurement and be specific on how the dimension was calculated - ie.) mounting surface to lowest point including fins or from the top of mounting flange to the fins etc. I want to compare it to the B&M racing pan. Thanks in advance!!

[SergntMac]

SergntMac what the height is? Can you please take a measurement and be specific on how the dimension was calculated - ie.) mounting surface to lowest point including fins or from the top of mounting flange to the fins etc. I want to compare it to the B&M racing pan. Thanks in advance!!
Love to help you out, Joe, but don't expect a reply today. I haven't the time to get to a lift until maybe Thursday. I'll get back to you on this, meanwhile, if the B&M pan adds two qts. also, I would expect the pans to relatively similar in outside dimensions.

[joflewbyu2]

the B&M pan adds 3 quarts and is all the same depth - meaning not beveled shallower at the rear as the Ford aluminum pan is.

[Gagfish]

I just bought my 2003 Marauder yesterday and love it. 10,500 miles for $20,750. My other car is a 1995 TBird which in a lot of ways is similar to the Marauder. On that car I got the deeper pan from Ford for about $50, I'll see if it'll bolt up to the Marauder but since it is the same tranny I don't see why not.

One problem with the T-Birds that we've noticed is the tranny fluid in the 4R70W tends to break down fairly quickly, causing torque converter shudder. It feels like driving over a "rumble strip" for a couple seconds. This break-down is due to the type of fluid and overheating. The deeper pan plus an external cooler helps prevent it from happening while a full flush and replacing with Mercon V fixes the problem. I'm assuming no one has seen this problem yet on the Marauder since they are still fairly new. The problem usually starts to occur after a few years. I plan on adding a tranny temp gauge to monitor it's heat.

What is everyone's thoughts on this matter? Is Mercon V also the choice in the Maauder? I know on the Bird when I went with a deeper pan I also had to get a longer filter to reach the pan bottom. Which filter would you use on this new pan?

[SergntMac]

SergntMac what the height is? Can you please take a measurement and be specific on how the dimension was calculated - ie.) mounting surface to lowest point including fins or from the top of mounting flange to the fins etc. I want to compare it to the B&M racing pan. Thanks in advance!!
Okay, Joe, here's your numbers. Hope this help you out.

Measuring down, the pan extends exactly 4" from the point where the pan mounts to the tranny. This is not it's lowest point. The solid block where you see the drain plug is lower yet, exactly 4.25" below the mounting point. I was incorrect in saying that the cooling fins were 1/8" deep, they are in fact 1/2" deep. I also failed to mention that the drain plug is magnetic, and the mounting bolts are case hardened allen head. This is good stuff...IMHO.

Gagfish is right on the money with his description of 4R70W behavior, which is why I believe in frequent and inexpensive fluid changes. This tranny works best with Merkon V, and you'll extend it's life by pampering it. 12-15K on the full flush out is maybe twice a year? Good preventive maintenence...IMHO.

[MENINBLK]

One problem with the T-Birds that we've noticed is the tranny fluid in the 4R70W tends to break down fairly quickly, causing torque converter shudder. It feels like driving over a "rumble strip" for a couple seconds. This break-down is due to the type of fluid and overheating. The deeper pan plus an external cooler helps prevent it from happening while a full flush and replacing with Mercon V fixes the problem. I'm assuming no one has seen this problem yet on the Marauder since they are still fairly new. The problem usually starts to occur after a few years. I plan on adding a tranny temp gauge to monitor it's heat.

If you flush your transmission oil every 12,000 miles, you shouldn't have this problem at all.
If you follow Ford's recommendation of service every 30,000 miles,
you'll need a new transmission by the time the car barely reaches 50,000 miles.

[joflewbyu2]

SergntMac, Thanks for your measurements. The B&M pan is exactly 4" without the flange. The flange is 7/16" thick, so from the point where the pan actually mounts to the tranny is 4 7/16" lower. The fins are also 1/2" thick and the drain plug was magnetic. I have pics that I can post when I get home.

[03SILVERSTREAK]

Okay, Joe, here's your numbers. Hope this help you out.

Measuring down, the pan extends exactly 4" from the point where the pan mounts to the tranny. This is not it's lowest point. The solid block where you see the drain plug is lower yet, exactly 4.25" below the mounting point. I was incorrect in saying that the cooling fins were 1/8" deep, they are in fact 1/2" deep. I also failed to mention that the drain plug is magnetic, and the mounting bolts are case hardened allen head. This is good stuff...IMHO.

Gagfish is right on the money with his description of 4R70W behavior, which is why I believe in frequent and inexpensive fluid changes. This tranny works best with Merkon V, and you'll extend it's life by pampering it. 12-15K on the full flush out is maybe twice a year? Good preventive maintenence...IMHO.This pan looks like the Art Carr Deep Pan that I received from Dennis . I've had no problems with clearance and enjoy having peace of mind as to the transmission temperature not being overheated in the summer... :cool4: :cool4: :cool4: :coolman:

[SergntMac]

SergntMac, Thanks for your measurements. The B&M pan is exactly 4" without the flange. The flange is 7/16" thick, so from the point where the pan actually mounts to the tranny is 4 7/16" lower. The fins are also 1/2" thick and the drain plug was magnetic. I have pics that I can post when I get home.
Save your pics, Joe, I know what I've seen. I don't know beans about the B&M pan, K?

You ask me for "exact" measurements on the FRP pan and I arrrange a special visit to my dealership's lift to get those numbers. Now you change what you ask for?

Save your game, Joe, I'm not playing this hand.

[joflewbyu2]

Save your pics, Joe, I know what I've seen. I don't know beans about the B&M pan, K?

You ask me for "exact" measurements on the FRP pan and I arrrange a special visit to my dealership's lift to get those numbers. Now you change what you ask for?

Save your game, Joe, I'm not playing this hand.
What else did I ask for SergntMac? Calm down, I appreciate your help but there was no need to go to the dealership for me. I simply got on the ground and used a measuring tape to measure mine!

[joflewbyu2]

remember we are all here to help each other. Hopefully this info would help someone making a decision. It seems from your measurements or your mechanics measurements if they are made from the mounting surface "including" the flange THAT THE B&M PAN IS 7/16" lower besides the area where the drain hole is which on the FRP pan which drops down another 1/4" still having a 3/16" clearance advantage.