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FMCI
11-19-2016, 02:06 PM
Well first things first, Names Dan.
I've been a lurker on this fine site for awhile now and have used the resources here many times to make things right with my daily driver 03' marauder.

I've also been an active member on crownvic.ca under the user name oh-no-5-0 and used to be the organizer of the annual BBQ and car meet at my family's business called franks magic crops inc. in Burlington Ontario. It was always a great time that was had by all and I was so very fortunate to meet so many great panther enthusiasts and awesome people in general.

Unfortunately I had a mishap with my 2010 crown vic P7B durning summer 2015 and wrote it off. Car did its job and kept me safe so I'm forever thankful for that.

I replaced it with a nice looking 2003 MM with 160,000 kilometres (Canadian) and have been pretty much problem free other then some small things.

That is until Thursday...
I'll start with where the warning signs started to show. A few weeks ago all the window switches stopped working except for the master controls on the drivers door. It didn't bother me much so I added it to the "to do list". Well Thursday I washed the car in one of those self wash bays like I normally do and all was fine. I rolled down my driver side window about an hour later and when I tried to put it back up it wouldn't go and the switch itself on the door was making a clicking noise. I pulled over took it apart checked all fuses and couldn't find anything. So I put it back togeather and what do you know, the windows worked again. All of them! Even the switches on the other doors were now working and I some how managed to fix the auto down option on the driver window. (Guessing it was just the contacts in the switch itself that were dirty)

I was stoked that I fixed it with no clue what I was doing. Well fifteen minutes later it all stopped working again... I thought screw it I'll just leave the windows up the rest of the day and look into the issues the next day. Right.. wishful thinking...

I was driving on the expressway doing about 120 kilometres when all of a sudden the car shuts off. I slapped it to netural and tried to start her back up but no go. It cranks like usual but it just won't catch. I managed to coast to an exit ramp to I was in a somewhat safe space to pull over, thank gosh.

I started to investigate and this is what I discovered:
-windows not working.
-brake lights not working.
-no signal lights/ hazards.
-car won't shift out of park.
-will crank over but won't actually start.
-certain gages like the dummy oil pressure and voltage meter stay at zero.
-no warning lights.

My guess is the LCM since it hasn't had the recall done yet.
Just wondering your thoughts as I'm a younger guy still trying to learn my way around this car and appreciate any input from this awesome community.

I'll post a tread in the new members form once I have some free time.

Thanks for reading! I know it's long and do apologize about that.
Hope you folks are enjoying your weekend!

Take care,
Dan.

RubberCtyRauder
11-19-2016, 02:13 PM
these cars don't like weak battery, what the volts reading? with a volt meter when off ? lcm does not control all tbose functions..welcome!

fastblackmerc
11-19-2016, 05:08 PM
Welcome.

It's not the LCM.

I'd check all the battery cables and connections and the battery.

Ambitious1
11-19-2016, 06:06 PM
Welcome.

I would check the battery and the alternator as well.

Ourobos
11-19-2016, 06:30 PM
There's a ground wire that runs behind the head that is notorious for rubbing on the engine and shorting out, might look there as well.

fastblackmerc
11-19-2016, 07:08 PM
There's a ground wire that runs behind the head that is notorious for rubbing on the engine and shorting out, might look there as well.

A ground wire won't "short out".

Ourobos
11-19-2016, 07:41 PM
Meant wire bundle that grounds / shorts out.

FMCI
11-26-2016, 12:17 PM
Hey guys,
Thanks for the suggestions. Very much appreciated!
Where I stand now is I got the car running but it blows the main fuse in short time as well as a bit of a wire burning smell coming somewhere from the driverside door/footwell area. as soon as we got her running both back windows went down all by themselves and wouldn't go back up.
Now the first problem I noticed before she died was the window switches stopped working first except for the drivers door main controls. The day the car failed is the same day the driver side window switches stopped working and making a really loud clicking noise from the window switch when the window button was pressed.
Still working on it though. Once I get back out to the garage I'll start with window switches and the wiring and go from there I guess.

Just thought I'd let you all know where I stand so far.
Enjoy your weekend!
DAN.

RF Overlord
11-26-2016, 01:08 PM
Electrical problems are the pits...do you have a proper wiring manual?

Spectragod
11-26-2016, 01:19 PM
Hey guys,
Thanks for the suggestions. Very much appreciated!
Where I stand now is I got the car running but it blows the main fuse in short time as well as a bit of a wire burning smell coming somewhere from the driverside door/footwell area. as soon as we got her running both back windows went down all by themselves and wouldn't go back up.
Now the first problem I noticed before she died was the window switches stopped working first except for the drivers door main controls. The day the car failed is the same day the driver side window switches stopped working and making a really loud clicking noise from the window switch when the window button was pressed.
Still working on it though. Once I get back out to the garage I'll start with window switches and the wiring and go from there I guess.

Just thought I'd let you all know where I stand so far.
Enjoy your weekend!
DAN.

Your wiring bundle that operates all the windows originates in the driver side lower "A" pillar. That is going to most likely be the first place to look.

The LCM has nothing to do with any of your issues, and I'd bet most originate in the area you smell electrical burning. Did the car have a alarm, autostart or any aftermarket stuff installed prior to you owning it? You will need to look at that wiring to make sure it is not damaged, burnt, cut, etc.

FMCI
11-26-2016, 02:37 PM
Unfortunately I don't have the wiring manual but I'll be getting one on Monday.
The only after market parts installed are fog lights with the LED white rings around the edge of the bulbs. I actually unhooked them completely a few weeks ago because theses a stone chip in one and moisture was getting inside the glass housing. Luckily I have a brand new set still sealed up in the original box.
No alarm or anything else that's after market that I know of.
When I was checking the fuses for the windows that are located in the driver side foot well I noticed the big steel fuse was heating up pretty good so I switched it out with another and that fuse to heated up in less then a minute.

I'll pull off the driver side lower a piller Monday and see what I find.
It just seems like it all started with the window switches. I do have a spare set of driver side master controls but I'm almost certain it's not the same plug in since it's from my old 2010 P7B.

Thanks again for all the help guys!
Dan.

FMCI
11-26-2016, 02:54 PM
Here she is. http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg512/crowns_up/IMG_20150716_200305_zps3qnuouo u.jpg (http://s1241.photobucket.com/user/crowns_up/media/IMG_20150716_200305_zps3qnuouo u.jpg.html)

Turbov6Bryan
11-26-2016, 03:28 PM
Those wheels are hideous
Please get that black crap off of them

FMCI
11-26-2016, 04:04 PM
Lmao! Yeah I got it that way. They were powder coated so I'm not sure if it's possible to revert back to stock. I'm not fond of them either. Trust me. Lol.

RF Overlord
11-26-2016, 04:18 PM
Steal the ones off the car in the background...

FMCI
11-26-2016, 04:25 PM
I sold that one. Way to many problems plus it had a Crown Vic front end installed after an accident. In order to make the sale happen the guy wanted the rims with the car and I was eager to sell. They were pretty rough anyway.
I'll be on the hunt very soon for some OEM rims and use these black one as winter rims.

Spectragod
11-26-2016, 06:51 PM
Plugs from a 10' are different, I have a spare set I can send you so you can eliminate the switch being the culprit. The silver thing is a circuit breaker, you have a short somewhere.


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GetMeMyStogie
11-30-2016, 09:48 PM
Did you get the electrical manual? The shop manual actually contains the diagnostic procedures. If you want, I can upload photos of the relevant pages.
I can tell you that step one is to examine components and wiring for obvious damage/corrosion/wear/etc.

I could come help you out if you're stuck, I'm just down the QEW in Etobicoke

FMCI
12-02-2016, 03:38 PM
Okay, so everything's been figured out so far with this issue.

It was the drivers side master window controls shorting out and caused a 50 amp fuse to blow. When I was able to take a very close look at it there was actually smoke coming out from the window Buttons themselves along with the windows going up and down randomly when no buttons were being pressed.

I replaced the master window controls as well as the 50 amp fuse and all is well now thankfully.

I want to thank everyone here that helped guide me in the right direction. I would also like to thank "GetMeMyStogie" for offering his time to come help out. It's awesome that there's such a great group of folks here offering up any help they could.

Have a great weekend folks!