Paul's Intake Spacer Installed

[FordNut]

Got it installed but won't get to try it out 'til Saturday. Hopefully will get performance numbers early June, before the next ATL breakfast.

Tips: disconnect the intake tube and EGR valve first. You can take them loose in the beginning or fight with it for a couple of hours THEN disconnect them (especially troublesome is the EGR).

I gotta call PaulsHP about one item, it was supposed to come with longer screws but they were the same length as the OEM ones. Since the same part is used on the MM and Mach1, maybe the MM should have some different screws? I'll see tomorrow.

[SergntMac]

Does this spacer require two gaskets?

[FordNut]

Does this spacer require two gaskets?
Yes, and one new one comes with the spacer. The old one is re-usable. The spacer is about 1/4" thick.

This type mod used to make a measurable difference on 5.0 Mustangs. I don't expect much difference in hp, but several of the mods I have tested helped low rpm tq instead of hp. We'll see soon.

[Marauder]

Yes, and one new one comes with the spacer. The old one is re-usable. The spacer is about 1/4" thick.

This type mod used to make a measurable difference on 5.0 Mustangs. I don't expect much difference in hp, but several of the mods I have tested helped low rpm tq instead of hp. We'll see soon.

If I remember correctly, it won't increased your peak power but you will more power sooner. I think you get more hp/tq on the bottom and middle and it levels out on the top end.

[CRUZTAKER]

What exactly is this spacer? Got a pic?

[Ross]

Yeah, I'd like to see this, too. And is it something that can be used on any intake setup, or only with Paul's cold air set up? If it gives better low end torque, and it is reasonably priced, it could be a good mod. BTW, how much was it?

[2003 MIB]

Barry and Ross,
I'm a doofus at posting pics but didn't want to leave y'all hanging-You can see the spacer on the Paul's site under the Mach 1 products. We have a two piece intake manifold (an upper and a lower) the spacer fits between the pieces with a gasket on each side. The principle is to add more intake manifold volume. It could be used completely independant of the airbox. it costs $80 plus shipping.

[Ross]

Thanks, Dan.

[2003 MIB]

No problem. I find this mod. interesting- I guess probably most of us old school types have used a carb spacer plate before- they do work for torque. This would either duplicate that effect or maybe a more accurate analogy would be like swapping a low-rise manifold for medium rise manifold.

I really wish the folks from paul's would sign on and let us know a little more about this product and explain about the airbox testing. Jim's experience seems to be the only positive one at this point. :(

I don't think we'll here from them- they worked on 600 Mustangs last year and two Marauders- we aren't a huge market. Data is from a good source.

Hmm, I wonder what two spacers would do??? If a quarter of an inch is good- a half inch must be better... Yeah, I know :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: I need to take my meds.

[Ross]

Let's see...I could probably take a 1"X12" piece of lumber, and carefully cut out the shape of the intake, and use that for a spacer, right? :shake: :banned:

[2003 MIB]

Let's see...I could probably take a 1"X12" piece of lumber, and carefully cut out the shape of the intake, and use that for a spacer, right? :shake: :banned:

Please don't blame this post on Ross. I've led him down a bad path... :lol: :lol:

[Logan]

I would've never guessed it was you. Now, if he had've said, "I could probably take a peanut butter jar lid and...." :lol:

[Ross]

Please don't blame this post on Ross. I've led him down a bad path... :lol: :lol:

Dan, you're only one of many who have led me down bad paths. Most of the time I gleefully followed! :lol: :rock: :beer:

[martyo]

If a quarter of an inch is good- a half inch must be better...

Todd has been trying to convince his wife of the same thing....

[2003 MIB]

I would've never guessed it was you. Now, if he had've said, "I could probably take a peanut butter jar lid and...." :lol:

When the "secret" carbon fiber pimpadelic tube hits the streets- I'll put one on and donate the peanut butter jar lid intake hose for the Marauderville III silent auction... Own a piece of history, folks.... :D

[Ross]

Todd has been trying to convince his wife of the same thing....

OK, I nominate this for one of the top ten "Marty vs. Todd" posts! :lol:

[2003 MIB]

OK, I nominate this for one of the top ten "Marty vs. Todd" posts! :lol:

Yep- It's a good one but nothing compared to "Walking around in a helmet like a doofus reminds Todd of his childhood"- I think about that one about once a week and laugh...simply the best...

[Ross]

Maybe we could have a special "Marty vs. Todd" forum on the site. No, that would destroy the fun of seeing one of their posts where you least expect it!

[martyo]

Maybe we could have a special "Marty vs. Todd" forum on the site. No, that would destroy the fun of seeing one of their posts where you least expect it!


Let me say this. I know that Todd is away today on his field trip to Metco. As a result, I feel guilty bashing him while he is not around (although it sure is fun!!). What do you say that we take this issue up when he comes back?

[2003 MIB]

I feel guilty bashing him while he is not around (although it sure is fun!!). What do you say that we take this issue up when he comes back?

WHO ARE YOU AND WHY ARE YOU USING MARTY'S COMPUTER????????????????
We don't take kindly to trolls around here, Hacker-geek!!! Marty's a lawyer and would probably like nothing better than to sue you until your eyes bleed. That's probably where your little plan fell apart- the milk of human compassion does not flow through his veins- it's ice water, buddy...You'd better go find another place to play!!



j/k

[Ross]

What Dan said! I'm a lawyer and I would recognize it if those words were written by another lawyer! Marty would NEVER give Todd a break like that! Let's get the internet cops after this Marty impersonator. :uzi:

[TAF]

OK, I nominate this for one of the top ten "Marty vs. Todd" posts! :lol:
Only 'cause some of my best ones get "poofed" :fire:

[SergntMac]

Only 'cause some of my best ones get "poofed" :fire:
"Sanitized" is the word I recall...You gotta problem with hygene, pal?

Let's get back to the topic here, eh?

[jrzygrl]

Todd has been trying to convince his wife of the same thing.... BWAHAHAHAHA..I needed a good laugh!!!!!!!! :baaa:

[CRUZTAKER]

Paul's site product page is down....guess I'll have to wait.:shake:

Maybe they're updating dyno results.:baaa:

[Donny Carlson]

Maybe we could have a special "Marty vs. Todd" forum on the site. No, that would destroy the fun of seeing one of their posts where you least expect it!
Try being trapped in a Marauder with those two for a day.:censor:

[RCSignals]

Is this spacer just offered because it's something that worked on 5.0s, so "has to be good for a Mach1/Marauder", or has it actually been proven to be an advantage?
Our intakes went through quite a lot of development by Rousch and Ford, and as DR found with his polished version, there isn't much to improve on.

[FordNut]

Is this spacer just offered because it's something that worked on 5.0s, so "has to be good for a Mach1/Marauder", or has it actually been proven to be an advantage?
Our intakes went through quite a lot of development by Rousch and Ford, and as DR found with his polished version, there isn't much to improve on.
The spacer idea has worked on many applications, including motorcycles. It has not been proven to help our cars, that is what I am in the process of doing.

The intake that DR tested was the same thing (except the upper was for a MM) that PaulsHP has listed on their website for the Mach1. Dennis never posted his results, most vendors will not discuss anything perceived to be negative about nor dispute the power gain claims made about another vendor's product. Most individuals will post honest test results, positive or negative (although we usually try to put some positive spin on it since we done spent our money!)

[RCSignals]

It has not been proven to help our cars, that is what I am in the process of doing.
Yes. I was wondering what Pauls is claiming.


Dennis never posted his results,
No I don't recall him posting specific dyno result, but I remember him saying gains were negligible or non existent, so he wouldn't bother offering the product.

[FordNut]

No I don't recall him posting specific dyno result, but I remember him saying gains were negligible or non existent, so he wouldn't bother offering the product.
And since he installed the intake with the spacer at the same time, it's possible that what gains he DID get (and I believe he did get some gain, just not $1200 worth) were due to the spacer rather than the polished intake.

[Bowman9]

Fordnut,

Did you get to dyno your car with the spacer installed?
If so what were the numbers?
Curious if it's worth the $80.00

[FordNut]

Fordnut,

Did you get to dyno your car with the spacer installed?
If so what were the numbers?
Curious if it's worth the $80.00
Going to drop the car off with the Team on the 8th, leave it with them for awhile. They're gonna do a pull before and after installing the electric water pump. The before can be compared to my most recent pull (about 2 weeks ago) to see if the intake spacer made any difference.

After driving it around a couple of days, I feel no SOTP change.

[2003 MIB]

This might sound odd but here goes....
I installed the PHP intake spacer this morning. It's 86 degrees (according to the Marauder) and has rained most of the week but dried out the last couple of days. I again, felt no SOTP chnge with the airbox but DO with the spacer- It's more than noticable...It's cool :up: :up: ...No numbers until the track at Indy but I'm happy with this mod. FordNut is dead-on with the installation...It makes me wonder if the airbox/spacer combo platter is the good setup...

[CRUZTAKER]

Some day....some one....is gonna post a pic right?

[2003 MIB]

Some day....some one....is gonna post a pic right?

I just put one in the gallery, Barry- Just for you, Bro!! :up:

[MarauderMark]

Mr loagn ahs told me that this spacer can give low end trq to a centrifugal s/cer.now since it worked for mib and most likely for ford nut will it work well for mine for sure? Can anyone that has this spacer and a s/cer setup .let me know if this is something i can get fer minez....
Cause i wrote the company for some info as well and they are on power tour w/ their mm and won't be back till end of weeky ....

[CRUZTAKER]

I found a pic from an 'unregistered user'. Now I get it....now I finally get it.

So there are some gains to be made here huh?
Is this something I can do in the garage, or does this require a tech?
http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/watermark.php?file=500/0P1010112-med.JPG

[2003 MIB]

I found a pic from an 'unregistered user'. Now I get it....now I finally get it.

So there are some gains to be made here huh?
Is this something I can do in the garage, or does this require a tech?
http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/watermark.php?file=500/0P1010112-med.JPG

That's me!!!- something's weird with my gallery id...You can do this- It was about 45 minutes and I like it a lot.

[2003 MIB]

Mr loagn ahs told me that this spacer can give low end trq to a centrifugal s/cer.now since it worked for mib and most likely for ford nut will it work well for mine for sure? Can anyone that has this spacer and a s/cer setup .let me know if this is something i can get fer minez....
Cause i wrote the company for some info as well and they are on power tour w/ their mm and won't be back till end of weeky ....

I'm unsure about the S/C application (I'd trust Logan's advice...duh) but the principle of increased manifold volume is sound... $80 for a noticable difference puts this high on my "bang for the buck" list- right behind the underdrive pullies. From what I've seen, torque isn't really a big issue with the S/C cars but every little bit helps, right?

[MarauderMark]

I'm unsure about the S/C application (I'd trust Logan's advice...duh) but the principle of increased manifold volume is sound... $80 for a noticable difference puts this high on my "bang for the buck" list- right behind the underdrive pullies. From what I've seen, torque isn't really a big issue with the S/C cars but every little bit helps, right?



Heh can't argue with that .Thank fer the info :beer:

[CRUZTAKER]

Ordered mine a few minutes ago.....

See what you did, just had to post a pick, just had to post results....:shake:

[Mad4Macs]

So, as near as I can tell from reading this thread, there are no numbers showing a benefit from this mod. There are, however, comments stating that the "gains were negligible or non existent, so he wouldn't bother offering the product."
I need more convincing than that before I would install this spacer... dyno numbers would be really nice :)

[2003 MIB]

So, as near as I can tell from reading this thread, there are no numbers showing a benefit from this mod. There are, however, comments stating that the "gains were negligible or non existent, so he wouldn't bother offering the product."
I need more convincing than that before I would install this spacer... dyno numbers would be really nice :)

I can respect that. I know that the car feels diffent now but who knows if it's the spacer that does this or the effect of the other mods. in conjunction with the spacer- it's a lot a variables. I'll have track numbers posted after MVII. That's the best I'll probably be able to do.

[CRUZTAKER]

I gotta call PaulsHP about one item, it was supposed to come with longer screws but they were the same length as the OEM ones. Since the same part is used on the MM and Mach1, maybe the MM should have some different screws? I'll see tomorrow.
Any news on this...and what did you do in the meanwhile?

Mine came today, but I am not sure if this is a task I should take on by myself.

[Marauder8]

Where can this spacer be purchased??

[FordNut]

Any news on this...and what did you do in the meanwhile?
Mine came today, but I am not sure if this is a task I should take on by myself.

They said the bolts in the kit were fine, as they had used them on the Marauder installs they had done with no problems. So I just left in the same length as original. Just take the 2 bolts holding the EGR valve to the manifold loose and it's a breeze.


... dyno numbers would be really nice .

This is a surprise to me. It actually lost 4 hp, but gained 2 ft-lb tq. Weather conditions were a possible contributing factor, as it was about 95 degrees for the post-install dyno run but only in the 70s for the pre-install run. I'm gonna take it back out for ceramic coating and will have another test done without it, but that's gonna be a couple of weeks from now.

Based on initial testing, I don't see the "bang-for-the-buck" I expected on a n/a car. BUT, I already have lots of mods so on a basically stock engine there may be different results.

[CRUZTAKER]

Where can this spacer be purchased??
CLICK HERE SIR (http://www.paulshp.com/)

See the Mach1 performance parts at this site.

[CRUZTAKER]

Hey Fordnut,

I read the instructions, and the only concern I have is the mention of having to do something with the fuel rail bolts....if I have no idea what a fuel rail bolt is, is that a good indication I shouldn't try this install alone???:nono:

If you were willing to fill me in a little further, I'd give a try. But it looks as though there is a lot of stuff to take apart on the intake just to remove it. The instructions are very vague for the lamen.

[FordNut]

Hey Fordnut,

I read the instructions, and the only concern I have is the mention of having to do something with the fuel rail bolts....if I have no idea what a fuel rail bolt is, is that a good indication I shouldn't try this install alone???:nono:

If you were willing to fill me in a little further, I'd give a try. But it looks as though there is a lot of stuff to take apart on the intake just to remove it. The instructions are very vague for the lamen.

Not really difficult at all. I believe the instructions make it more difficult because they tell you to totally remove the upper plenum, which is not necessary.
1) Remove the intake tube. The rubber one that connects the throttle body to the MAF sensor. 2 hose clamps.
2) Remove the cover which hides the bolts and tubing for the EGR valve. 2 bolts and clips for the throttle cables.
3) Remove the bolts for the EGR valve. 2 bolts, 1 gasket. Try and get the gasket out so it'll be easier to re-install. Just leave the EGR valve where it is, as it is connected to the exhaust by a pipe and is OK to just hang there.
4) Remove the bolts holding the upper intake plenum to the lower. Don't recall how many, but there are 2 long ones and the rest are short. One is hidden behind the EGR valve.
5) Put the new gasket on the spacer. It has alignment tabs and must be assembled to the spacer prior to installation.
6) Pry up the upper plenum. You can raise it by grasping the throttle body. The OEM gasket should stay attached to the lower plenum.
7) Slide the spacer (and gasket) in from the front passenger's side. It would be very nice if a helper would hold the upper plenum at this point, but I did it by myself so it is not absolutely necessary to have help.
8) Get all the upper plenum bolts started before tightening anything. Getting some of them started may require wiggling the upper plenum and the spacer.
9) Tighten the upper plenum bolts.
10) Get the EGR valve re-aligned with the mounting holes, use a small screwdriver to help get the gasket aligned. It is a metal gasket so it can be re-used. Get both of the bolts started, then tighten them. May need to pry it a little bit to line everything up.
11) Re-install the cover for the EGR valve.
12) Re-install the intake tube.

[CRUZTAKER]

Fordnut..."you've got points!"
Thanks man. I can do it!:beer:


As far as item #8: The pic in the instructions doesn't quite match our intake. How do I know which holes get the provided longer bolts?

[FordNut]

Fordnut..."you've got points!"
Thanks man. I can do it!:beer:


As far as item #8: The pic in the instructions doesn't quite match our intake. How do I know which holes get the provided longer bolts?
The provided bolts are not longer. They are the same as the original ones. But they are long enough, as the original ones protrude thru the bottom of the holes a little before the spacer is installed. There are two bolts that are longer than those short ones and they are pretty obvious as they go thru the plenum at the throttle body.

[FordNut]

One more detail...
If you want to paint the rusty ole EGR valve, this is a good time to do it. Between steps 9&10, slip some masking paper between the EGR valve and the intake manifold, paint the EGR valve, and let it dry before moving to step 10.

[CRUZTAKER]

Fordnut, I just sent you email....can we speak on the phone????

[FordNut]

Fordnut, I just sent you email....can we speak on the phone????
Barry,
You've got mail...

[CRUZTAKER]

Jessica and I installed the intake spacer this afternoon....and you were right sir, 45 minutes! All went well with the exception of my knocking the plastic cover that covers the windshield wiper motor loose and having to wrestle with for 15 minutes or so until discovered how it went back in.

Easy install afterall. And the car started afterward as well...:banana:

I'll try it out tomorrow on a mini road trip.

Thanks again Brian, you rock!

[RCSignals]

So, the results of this spacer on a NA car are still negligable? No new dyno results?

[CRUZTAKER]

Next dyno = July 11th :up:

[FordNut]

So, the results of this spacer on a NA car are still negligable? No new dyno results?
Negligableblebabble Right. BTW, I'm at a conference at Philly and the pharmaceutical companies put on gerate oops grate parties wita all the free booze you can dring.

[RCSignals]

Negligableblebabble Right. BTW, I'm at a conference at Philly and the pharmaceutical companies put on gerate oops grate parties wita all the free booze you can dring.
Maybe they have something for the Marauder :lol: