Killer Chiller Thread

[tbone]

I'm considering installing a killer chiller system on my car. Any thoughts, suggestions, pros, cons, PICTURES, etc would be appreciated! :beer:

[stevengerard]

Subscribing!!!

[Themarauderguy]

I too am interested in what the benefits would be horsepower gains such. ect

[Zack]

Been discussed a zillion times. Only positives. He makes a Marauder specific kit. Be sure to remove the factory orifice tube, as the KC has its own.

[martyo]

Been discussed a zillion times. Only positives. He makes a Marauder specific kit. Be sure to remove the factory orifice tube, as the KC has its own.

All of this.

[RubberCtyRauder]

Mo's Speed shop just put one on my car. I don't think it gains power per se, but it keeps timing from being pulled when iat reach 140+. I dont have my car back yet, some last moment additions going on, but I don't think my Trilogy would have reached 495 rwhp @17 psi without it. my iat's were like 106 in Georgia temps.

[Ambitious1]

This may be useful:

https://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=97916

[tbone]

I did a quick search and did not see much at all in the way of discussion on the topic. We all know the search function isn't that great. Upon further investigation, the 2.5 year old pasted thread above did not show up until page 6. How dare I start a new thread on the device? Why it is so bothersome to bring up the topic again I will never understand. I didn't even know the thing existed until a few days ago. And a lot can change over time.

Carry on to another oil and filter thread...they never get old.

[Ambitious1]

How dare I start a new thread on the device? Why it is so bothersome to bring up the topic again I will never understand. I didn't even know the thing existed until a few days ago.

Carry on to another oil and filter thread...they never get old.

Not at all, I don't want you to think that I was saying it was bothersome. Just the opposite. You're right, I also noticed that there was not much information on KCs, so I thought pasting the link would be helpful, that's all. Please don't take it the wrong way.

[tbone]

Not you. I appreciated the link.

[sailsmen]

Per Kill Chiller FAQ;
"You will see about an average of 5-7 degrees increase in the in cab temps under optimum conditions...".

To run it at a drag strip will you need to capture the condensation?

Has anyone figured out how to get a meth system to efficiently work on a displacement blower? I know Blown 3.8 was working on it.

Would a more efficient heat exchanger accomplish your goal?

[tbone]

Good questions.

[Spectragod]

Be sure to remove the factory orifice tube, as the KC has its own.

^^^THIS^^^, because in my kit, that was not included in the instructions. I had no differential in interior temps the 5 times I drove my car this year. IAT's are 10-15 above ambient.

[Spectragod]

To run it at a drag strip will you need to capture the condensation?

Would a more efficient heat exchanger accomplish your goal?

I have a more efficient HE, IAT's were still way high.

I only race on the street, not worried about condensation.

[Zack]

My KC never worked correctly because I did not remove the orifice tube. Then I wrecked the car and sold the kit

[Lowndex]

I purchased one and waiting for it to be installed. I was told the unit I purchased addresses the timing issue, capturing condensation (so leaking fluids) and automatically keep the interior temp stable. As usual, I do not have knowledge or experience to speak to the details.

KC was against me buying the Killer Chiller because he could build one at far less than $1000.

[martyo]

I purchased one and waiting for it to be installed. I was told the unit I purchased addresses the timing issue, capturing condensation (so leaking fluids) and automatically keep the interior temp stable. As usual, I do not have knowledge or experience to speak to the details.

KC was against me buying the Killer Chiller because he could build one at far less than $1000.

That's only $300 more than the Killer Chiller goes for...

[Zack]

I have one NIB and bought it new for $550

[RubberCtyRauder]

The drag race KC is $1100.

https://killerchiller.com/products/99-04-v-8-mustang-kc-drag-kit

[Lowndex]

That's only $300 more than the Killer Chiller goes for...

So, you are willing to sell me the unit below for $300 less?

https://killerchiller.com/products/99-04-v-8-mustang-kc-drag-kit

[martyo]

So, you are willing to sell me the unit below for $300 less?

https://killerchiller.com/products/99-04-v-8-mustang-kc-drag-kit

Nope, but if that's the kit you want I certainly wouldn't pay someone almost the same money to build one when he's never built one before. As my Uncle Bill always says, "You're not going to beat a man at his own game."

What that means is, if Kincaid builds the Killer Chiller for a living, your boy KC is not going to build one single unit for you better and cheaper than Kincaid.

With all that said, aren't you the guy that's been trying to set some sort of naturally aspirated hp record for the last three years. If that's you, what do you need a Koller Chiller, or knock off unit for that matter, for any way?

[FordNut]

Nope, but if that's the kit you want I certainly wouldn't pay someone almost the same money to build one when he's never built one before. As my Uncle Bill always says, "You're not going to beat a man at his own game."

What that means is, if Kincaid builds the Killer Chiller for a living, your boy KC is not going to build one single unit for you better and cheaper than Kincaid.

With all that said, aren't you the guy that's been trying to set some sort of naturally aspirated hp record for the last three years. If that's you, what do you need a Koller Chiller, or knock off unit for that matter, for any way?

touche' :duel:

[justbob]

He's getting boosted immediately following said breakage of record I read.


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[martyo]

He's getting boosted immediately following said breakage of record I read.


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Gotcha.


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[Lowndex]

Nope, but if that's the kit you want I certainly wouldn't pay someone almost the same money to build one when he's never built one before. As my Uncle Bill always says, "You're not going to beat a man at his own game."

What that means is, if Kincaid builds the Killer Chiller for a living, your boy KC is not going to build one single unit for you better and cheaper than Kincaid.

With all that said, aren't you the guy that's been trying to set some sort of naturally aspirated hp record for the last three years. If that's you, what do you need a Killer Chiller, or knock off unit for that matter, for any way?

* I agree KC's time is better spent elsewhere. I know KC could build a better killer chiller unit. KC built a better brake system than TCE, first try. Todd did not grasp bigger rotors and calipers were needed until much later.
- Given time and money, many members here are fully capable of building a better Killer Chiller. I believe what Killer Chiller has built is a good unit for the money. Thus, I bought the Killer Chiller unit.

* Yes, I want to break Fordnut's 378 rwhp record. Will I? We will see. Once the motor is broken in (3000 miles), we will see. Whether I do or do not, it has been a fun ride!
- Immediately thereafter, it's Kenne Bell installation time with my new cowl hood. All the blower parts, all of them, are in house and ready to be installed.

[martyo]

* I agree KC's time is better spent elsewhere. I know KC could build a better killer chiller unit. KC built a better brake system than TCE, first try. Todd did not grasp bigger rotors and calipers were needed until much later.
- Given time and money, many members here are fully capable of building a better Killer Chiller. I believe what Killer Chiller has built is a good unit for the money. Thus, I bought the Killer Chiller unit.

* Yes, I want to break Fordnut's 378 rwhp record. Will I? We will see. Once the motor is broken in (3000 miles), we will see. Whether I do or do not, it has been a fun ride!
- Immediately thereafter, it's Kenne Bell installation time with my new cowl hood. All the blower parts, all of them, are in house and ready to be installed.

Soubds like a good plan!

[Lowndex]

Trying to hang with the big boys:

I am well aware breaking Fordnut's 378 rwhp record is a stretch goal. I cannot hang with you guys in 1/8 or 1/4 racing. Some of you are freaking nuts with street legal drag race cars. :) So, I set goals where I can.

Thanks to Sprectragod, Zack and many more of you, having a show car winner is also going to be tough. I have seen Lifespeed's engine and it is beautiful.

[RubberCtyRauder]

Todd's brake kit was built to fit stock wheels, not a need to buy $6000 forged 20" to fit. KC's one off kit costs what $3000+ and have to buy new,wheels. Most here dont want to change their wheels. so apples to oranges comparison.

[Lowndex]

Todd's brake kit was built to fit stock wheels, not a need to buy $6000 forged 20" to fit. KC's one off kit costs what $3000+ and have to buy new,wheels. Most here dont want to change their wheels. so apples to oranges comparison.

KC can make custom brake hats and hangers for stock 18" wheels, which take into account the weight of the car, using Brembo and/or Wilwood parts.

Or 20", like I have.

[Todd TCE]

Todd's brake kit was built to fit stock wheels, not a need to buy $6000 forged 20" to fit. KC's one off kit costs what $3000+ and have to buy new,wheels. Most here dont want to change their wheels. so apples to oranges comparison.


Thanks, this.

When these kits first came out there were two options: a 13" x 1.10 rotor or a 14" x 1.25 rotor. One kit fit the OE wheel, the other required a rather large wheel spacer. 14" x 1.10 wide rotors were not even a product Wilwood (or others) had until perhaps 6-7yrs ago. At that, they remain a "tween" size for the need and dedicated to the oe wheel.

There has never been a problem grasping what is more ideal for rotor size or mass (witness some 400 Impala kits) it's simply been what is the trade off.

The primary reason for the later and larger kits of 1.25" width and the large W or Aerolite calipers came not from the Marauder market so much as the number of "hot rodders" building F100s with Panther clips in the front. Who were also running 19...20...and larger wheels.

*Just keeping it real. :beer:

[sailsmen]

I want 93mm mile wheels to touch the Sun and suitable brakes to stop the Universe. Anybody up for it?:)

[Lowndex]

A 2004 Impala had a curb weight of approximately 3400 lbs. The 2004 Mercury Marauder had a curb weight of 4195 lbs - a difference of almost 800 lbs. Maybe I misunderstood your point.

For stock Marauders, the TCE Plus 2 kit 14 x 1.10 rotors are not sufficient for front brakes. After buying rotors every 4-6 months, I had enough. Not all Marauder owners agree, and we can leave it at that.

You have a loyal following here and well deserved. If not for the direction I chose, I would buy the TCE Plus 3 (17 and 18") and 4 (20") kits.

[Lowndex]

I want 93mm mile wheels to touch the Sun and suitable brakes to stop the Universe. Anybody up for it?:)

Then go build them or pony up the money to make it happen.

[mm svt]

Not to get back on topic or anything but the Killer Chiller works fine. Are there places for improvement? I think so.
1, a tee in the high pressure line before to factory oriface tube and the KC would utilize it own oriface tube and low side line back to the acclumulator at another tee. The Kc would have its own thermal bulb to meter the freon and compressior

2, the water return from the intercooler is still very cold. Adding a temperature operated metering valve on the outlet of the intercooler would allow a better heat exchange or

3, instead of the drag strip by pass tee for the heat exchanger use a larger radiator in front to cool the air crossing the condenser and radiator with the 40* water that's on its way back to the chiller

4, small condensate pump and sprayed post blower but before intercooler

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170908/a9482060d58a12f35d924eef431d04 47.jpg

[Todd TCE]

*A 2004 Impala had a curb weight of approximately 3400 lbs. The 2004 Mercury Marauder had a curb weight of 4195 lbs - a difference of almost 800 lbs. Maybe I misunderstood your point.



Sorry, I should have clarified: 94-96 SS

All good. Share what you come up with, nothing wrong with new ideas.

[MyBlackBeasts]

Sorry, I should have clarified: 94-96 SS

My SS doesn't need BBK, the OEM will put you thru the windshield practically.

This harkens back to the conversation about why FOMOCO braking design engineers had their heads firmly inserted up their backsides. My personal examples of my MM & 97 Tbird, both have 4Wdisc and both couldn't stop w/o a 10 mile braking area. My moms 2000 Sable w/rear drums stops in 1/2 the distance the Tbird did...

[Lowndex]

*A 2004 Impala had a curb weight of approximately 3400 lbs. The 2004 Mercury Marauder had a curb weight of 4195 lbs - a difference of almost 800 lbs. Maybe I misunderstood your point.



Sorry, I should have clarified: 94-96 SS

All good. Share what you come up with, nothing wrong with new ideas.

Ah, you meant The Beast. 236 hp at 4036 lbs - slightly better than the Marauder. The funny thing is, I bought my Marauder from my close friend in 2006 who bought a mint 1996 Chevy Impala. I won!

It's all good.

[sailsmen]

Then go build them or pony up the money to make it happen.

All my racing is done at the drag strip and the OEM brakes are fine.

The shut down areas are plenty long and I have never gotten near the sand trap.

The sooner you start racing it the sooner you can break it so you can make it better/faster.

“Shoot for the Sun. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.”;)

[chief455]

Been discussed a zillion times. Only positives. He makes a Marauder specific kit. Be sure to remove the factory orifice tube, as the KC has its own.
as said, Kincaid does not show the factory orifice tube location, or need for removal in instructions. In fact, when my install dd not work, on he phone he had us try other things before asking about the factory tube.
When I posted that, Zack laughed at me, and I cried. :o

This may be useful:

https://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=97916

^^ hey - I have a thread that contributed to the site!

Zack told me, he's right = killer chiller for the win.
Always leave your temp control on, your IAT will be steadily cool, why would anyone not do this?
Dodge Demon either paid Kincaid, or ripped off his idea. It just works.