MM Discontinued, 300C Selling like Hotcakes. Life is not Fair.

[grzellmer]

Anybody care to comment on today's article in the WSJ on the
300C. Our MM"s are listed as a comparable. They are the heaviest,
slowest and get the worst gas mileage. I think Bill Ford owes us S/C's
as part of the warranty.

OK enough whining. Thank You for listening. I feel better now.

[TAF]

If someone GAVE me a 300C...I'd sell it...and add more stuff to my Marauder with the proceeds... :D

[Bluerauder]

Anybody care to comment on today's article in the WSJ on the
300C. Our MM"s are listed as a comparable. They are the heaviest,
slowest and get the worst gas mileage. I think Bill Ford owes us S/C's
as part of the warranty.

OK enough whining. Thank You for listening. I feel better now.
I get all of my automotive information from the Wall Street Journal. I especially like their "test drive section". :lol:

Elena Ford now in charge of the S/C department??? :eek:

Agree with TAF ... sell the 300C. I passed one yesterday in the center lane dragging his 5.7 Pseudo Hemi Butt at 50 mph. He appeared to have a white knuckle death grip on the steering wheel. Had traffic stacked up behind him for miles. :flamer:

[hitchhiker]

Anybody care to comment on today's article in the WSJ on the
300C. Our MM"s are listed as a comparable. They are the heaviest,
slowest and get the worst gas mileage. I think Bill Ford owes us S/C's
as part of the warranty.

OK enough whining. Thank You for listening. I feel better now.

Ours will be classics, theirs will be scrap metal!

300C = Butt Ugly!

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[bigslim]

Today I saw the first 300 with a fake rag top. Looked like a bad toupe. Also saw one with 22's on it. Not bad but too much flashy "bling-bling" for me. They are popping up like flies around here.

[David Morton]

If someone GAVE me a 300C...I'd sell it...and add more stuff to my Marauder with the proceeds... :DHear here. Did I hear somebody say "butt-ugly"?

I'm all for starting a petition to Bill on that warranty supercharger idea. :rock:

[studio460]

If someone GAVE me a 300C...I'd sell it...and add more stuff to my Marauder with the proceeds...
. . . what Todd said.

[studio460]

From Edmunds.com . . . "[The 300C's 5.7-liter Hemi] V8 uses a multidisplacement system, which selectively deactivates four of the engine's cylinders to save fuel in undemanding driving situations." Wow! This car can automatically DECREASE its horsepower! Weeee, what a feature!

[Patrick]

Ours will be classics, theirs will be scrap metal!

300C = Butt Ugly!

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[merc406]

300C selling like HotCakes???? :banana2: Just look at what a little promotion and or advertizing will do for a NEW vehicle, geeze Mercury could have done the same for the Marauder. :shot:
Glad to see that the 300C has a good parent. :up: :bows: :bows: :bows:

[mpearce]

I'm glad we all have the Marauder. The Marauder is not a car for everyone...it belongs to a special elite group of society...found right here on these message boards, the weekend drag strip, and the classic car cruises. This Marauder didn't sell like hotcakes (doesn't bother me one bit)...I don't think they really intended it to...it serves it purpose and all who own it, love it. That chrysler is nothing but a cheap Bently look alike...they even make a non hemi crappy version of it that goes for 23 or 24K. That would be like making a V6 edition of the Marauder, with a single outlet exhaust pipe thats not even polished. I'm not quite sure why this chrysler car is even worthy of a post on this website. I can't even go down to the grocery store in my Marauder without people getting cramps in their necks wondering what the car is. If I have my windows down while driving I get...hey nice car! Or...what kind of car is that? I love my Marauder...it's a classy car...and it deserves a ton of respect.

-Mat

[Marauderman]

I'm glad we all have the Marauder. The Marauder is not a car for everyone...it belongs to a special elite group of society...found right here on these message boards, the weekend drag strip, and the classic car cruises. This Marauder didn't sell like hotcakes (doesn't bother me one bit)...I don't think they really intended it to...it serves it purpose and all who own it, love it. That chrysler is nothing but a cheap Bently look alike...they even make a non hemi crappy version of it that goes for 23 or 24K. That would be like making a V6 edition of the Marauder, with a single outlet exhaust pipe thats not even polished. I'm not quite sure why this chrysler car is even worthy of a post on this website. I can't even go down to the grocery store in my Marauder without people getting cramps in their necks wondering what the car is. If I have my windows down while driving I get...hey nice car! Or...what kind of car is that? I love my Marauder...it's a classy car...and it deserves a ton of respect.

-Mat

Now you see why ours was stickered in the mid 30's--to purposely set us apart and the car--so.....as you have said^^^^^^^^^^^^--L/M maybe did do us a favor after all......hummmmm

[Bradley G]

From Edmunds.com . . . "[The 300C's 5.7-liter Hemi] V8 uses a multidisplacement system, which selectively deactivates four of the engine's cylinders to save fuel in undemanding driving situations." Wow! This car can automatically DECREASE its horsepower! Weeee, what a feature!Remember GM tried that on caddy's in the mid to late 80's they called it 4 6 8 it was the biggest flop next to thier early diesel (for a luxury car??):confused: . What were they thinking ??

[Marauder386]

I also caught on the news ticker in last couple of days that Snoop Dogg or somebody like that actually called the CEO of Chrysler to demand a 300c. Could supply not be meeting demand ?? Hmmm... I remmeber the Caddys with the 4-6-8's....quite a mistake. They didnt downshift in crisis situ's and people where getting into MVA's with them....


M386

[TripleTransAm]

Remember GM tried that on caddy's in the mid to late 80's they called it 4 6 8 it was the biggest flop next to thier early diesel (for a luxury car??):confused: . What were they thinking ??

Unfortunately, that's really the only way to have V8 grunt AND 4 cylinder-ish economy all in the same package... otherwise you have to compromise and come up with something that is middle of the road, which usually ends up being some high-RPM V6 kind of thingy that sounds like ass.

Yes, GM did try that variable displacement in the early 80s... but that was TWENTY years ago!!! :lol: A lot has changed since then... Culture Club has split up, the Communist block has fallen apart, microprocessors have gotten more powerful, etc... has anyone tried to run Half-Life on a 1980 IBM PCjr recently? :lol:

If one does the math, it's painfully clear that you need a very small portion of the engine's peak power to be able to maintain highway speeds, even in our aerodynamic bricks. So if you're not really accelerating, what's the point of having all that extra fuel consumption and all those functioning cylinders operating at small loads? Shutting down 4 of them won't give you 4 cylinder economy (the internal friction and mass of the inoperative cylinders, the friction and weight of an 8cylinder Cam/valvetrain system, big crankshafts with counterweights, all this will sap some power from the engine's total output in 4 cylinder mode) but it'll be as good or better than a V6. However, the success of this engine hinges on how smoothly it can recall those missing 4 cylinders. By all reports thus far, seems to be working, now we have to keep an eye on reliability.

Oh well, I'm not really into the styling of that car anyway. But then again I said the same thing about the 3rd gen Firebirds (1982-1992) and I definitely acknowledge how that situation turned around. :o Besides, if the Marauder ever fails on me in a big way (like, say in the middle of a touristy scenario some 200 miles away from home with my family in the car and no way to get home and Ford Roadside Assistance giving me a hard time...), I could get tempted by station wagon functionality and a 340-ish hp V8 with the new Magnum (I think that's what it's called). :bandit:

[jgc61sr2002]

I'm glad we all have the Marauder. The Marauder is not a car for everyone...it belongs to a special elite group of society...found right here on these message boards, the weekend drag strip, and the classic car cruises. This Marauder didn't sell like hotcakes (doesn't bother me one bit)...I don't think they really intended it to...it serves it purpose and all who own it, love it. That chrysler is nothing but a cheap Bently look alike...they even make a non hemi crappy version of it that goes for 23 or 24K. That would be like making a V6 edition of the Marauder, with a single outlet exhaust pipe thats not even polished. I'm not quite sure why this chrysler car is even worthy of a post on this website. I can't even go down to the grocery store in my Marauder without people getting cramps in their necks wondering what the car is. If I have my windows down while driving I get...hey nice car! Or...what kind of car is that? I love my Marauder...it's a classy car...and it deserves a ton of respect.

-Mat


I couldn't agree more. :up:

[deerejoe]

When has a NEW car not garnered attention??

Daimler/Chrysler has a new found mystique with American car buyers that sense the influence of GERMAN style engineering and performance on once percieved 'stodgy' Chrysler products.

They feel that the highly rated German engineering excellence found in Mercedes/Audi/BMW/Porsche automobiles will somehow (certainly) improve the overall allure, performance and durability of Chrysler Corp. cars.

The German marques have generally been well regarded world wide.
Porsche owners are notably fanatical in their belief and brand loyalty.
BMW owners are of the same mindset...and let's not forget the millions of VW brand products past and present.

German ownership of Rolls Royce and Bently is now improving(?) their marketing allure AND performance.

Maybe its all just a German (engineering) thing.

Regardless; with good marketing intelligence, spiffy advertising glitz and brand recognition/reputation, many 'old line' previous buyers of Chrysler Corp. brand cars are returning for a 'new' owner experience.

Additionally, with high fuel costs these days; any auto manufacturer striving to engineer ECONOMY with (high) performance will attract the crowds of spectators AND potential buyers.

Not to overlook the real buying power base of 'seniors' looking to add some "ZING" to their lives...I am not at all surprised to see these so called 'butt-ugly' cars selling like hot cakes.

After all, who really supported the Buick, Cadillac and Town Car through the past millenium????
Same gang...why not??
If their perception of performance and styling is appealing enough to plunk down their GOOD money...the auto industry is NOT going to ignore it!!

[PhkinQk]

Before I bought my 5.9 Durango off lease in Feb I borrowed a brand new Hemi Durango for the weekend. My good bud owns the local Chrysler dealership, so I took in on a Friday and told him I'd have it back by Monday morn.

Anyway we drove this 5.7 very hard. The 5.7 that's rated at around 330ish HP and my 5.9 is rated about 250ish HP. Our Durango only has the cold air kit from Mopar. Some minor chip work too, very minor, cause it's all wheel drive we couldn't go too crazy. Not sure where it's at, cause there aren't any 4 wheel dyno's near me.

Bottom line, the horsepower never makes the street, you'd think it would with the torque numbers, it falls short. My race buddy and I drove them side by side and switched up a few times and the hemi didn't perform as we'd hoped. all. To me, it sounded like crap too. My 5.9 beat it every time out of the hole and edged it in the long run too.
So I hope who ever bought that one got a good discount, lol.

Hey ya know, it was black............wonder if it was MartyO that bought that one, lol.

[MikesMerc]

The 300C is targeted to the same market segment as the old 300M, regardless of power ratings and FWD/RWD. That alone says its not for me. HP/Torque ratings alone certainly don't make a car a musclecar.....which the MM definitely is.

The 300C is purely a "sport" luxo ride and nothing more. Actually I am surprised that anyone who really loves the essence of what thier MM is would be even considering a 300C. There simply isn't another car on the road at this point that has the same mix of attributes the MM has.

[TAF]

I also caught on the news ticker in last couple of days that Snoop Dogg or somebody like that actually called the CEO of Chrysler to demand a 300c.
It was "50 Cent"...the felon who is making millions of $s mumbling into a microphone. I hope ALL the rappers here in the A-T-L (by the way...we have more than our share of folks claiming to be rappers here) load up on these...and stay away from the Marauder.

[Haggis]

It was "50 Cent"...the felon who is making millions of $s mumbling into a microphone. I hope ALL the rappers here in the A-T-L (by the way...we have more than our share of folks claiming to be rappers here) load up on these...and stay away from the Marauder.

Yea we have a reputation to uphold and wouln't want them smudging our good name.

[THE_INTERCEPTOR]

If someone GAVE me a 300C...I'd sell it...and add more stuff to my Marauder with the proceeds... :D

If someone gave ME a 300C, I'd sell it and BUY a Marauder! :up: :banana2:

[RCSignals]

You have to give DCX credit, they are advertising the 300C pretty well.
Selling like hot cakes? maybe in MI where the Marauder also sold well, but here I've seen one 300C. Not even many on the dealer lots. (Maybe i've seen two, 'cause I saw a silver 300c two different times :lol: )

Where did WSJ get the fuel ratings for the 300C? The figures i've seen sure don't make the Hemi equipped version look like it gets better fuel economy than the Marauder. Even with the 300Cs displacement on demand

[teamrope]

If someone GAVE me a 300C...I'd sell it...and add more stuff to my Marauder with the proceeds... :D
:stupid: Me too!

[Bradley G]

If you ever got the idea to switch from FLM to Chrysler without sounding cocky I have every reason to think you'll come back:coolman:

[SILVERMARAUDER]

From Edmunds.com . . . "[The 300C's 5.7-liter Hemi] V8 uses a multidisplacement system, which selectively deactivates four of the engine's cylinders to save fuel in undemanding driving situations." Wow! This car can automatically DECREASE its horsepower! Weeee, what a feature!
sounds very much like the caddys in the earley 80's it was called the 4-6-8 :shot:

[grzellmer]

".... That chrysler is nothing but a cheap Bently look alike...they even make a non hemi crappy version of it that goes for 23 or 24K. That would be like making a V6 edition of the Marauder, with a single outlet exhaust pipe thats not even polished. "


Mat

Would agree with you but Mercury also makes a crappy 16 valve V8 car that is selling for around $16K if you are an AARP member. Its called a Grand Marquis. Also the 300C 6cyl (3.5) has more HP and better mileage.

Not that I don't enjoy my MM, but I am not blinded like a dear in the headlights by it.

Gary

"Edited a bit from the first post. Just a bit PO'ed at FLM today. Sorry for the barbs in the first post."

[merc406]

".... That chrysler is nothing but a cheap Bently look alike...they even make a non hemi crappy version of it that goes for 23 or 24K. That would be like making a V6 edition of the Marauder, with a single outlet exhaust pipe thats not even polished. "

Mat

Hate to break it to you but Mercury makes a crappy 16 valve V8 car that is selling for around $16K if you are an AARP member. Its called a Grand Marquis. Also the 300C 6cyl (3.5) has more HP and better mileage.

Not that I don't enjoy my MM, but I am not blinded like a dear in the headlights by it.

Gary







Oh , Oh , ^^ I see trouble ahead. :lol:


My sister just bought one, a "C" , very niiiiiiiiiice. :D

[JAM]

".... Also the 300C 6cyl (3.5) has more HP and better mileage. ..."300c = Hemi.....but the 300 3.5 6cyl's rated HP is at 6,400 rpm's, not lower where you can actually use it.

Also, not sure about the 300, but wondered why they put Dexcrap coolant in the Magnum RT? Wonder if they will develop problems similar to what GM's experienced with Dexcool?

JAM

PS: No disrespect intended, but the problems documented here with member's MM motor's have me reconsidering my present purchase strategy. Conversely, I've had virtually no problems with my "...crappy 16 valve..." motor in my '98 Grand Marquis pushing 4400 lbs thru the 1/4 in the low 15's while getting 17 spirited city & 26 very comfortable highway mpg's with a top end just north of 140.

[TripleTransAm]

I haven't had any problems with my Dexcool, but then again I haven't gone around flushing it every six months like some overzealous 'experts', nor have I had any reason to refill or top up. My boss' 1996 Jimmy truck had to get flushed every 6 months to a year as he'd repeatedly lose heating capabilities, but I suspect his constant choice of moron dealership had something to do with it... I heard he's since taken it to an independant garage and hasn't had a problem yet. YMMV...

That being said, I'm approaching 75000 km (~46000 miles) on my WS6 and am planning to get the coolant changed out sometime in the next 2 years. We'll see what comes out, but to be honest it looks good so far and there is no evidence of sludge. I understand the biggest problem is when it mixes with non-Dexcool (green stuff, and possibly water?).

Just my data point here...

[JAM]

Wife's Olds Silouhette's coolant turned to brown gooo with less than 15k miles. It also ate thru the head gasket. Changed while under warranty, and was caused by Dexcool according to GM. Their long term fix - recommended keeping the coolant container overfilled, & changing the coolant at least once a year.

I'm gonna try to avoid it like the plague, GM products too for that matter.

JAM

[TripleTransAm]

So what do you think prompted this reaction? I'd like to know either what I'm doing right, or what to look out for...

[merc406]

So what do you think prompted this reaction? I'd like to know either what I'm doing right, or what to look out for...




Me too, I used the green with the yellow, not good eh? :shot:

[RCSignals]

".... That chrysler is nothing but a cheap Bently look alike...they even make a non hemi crappy version of it that goes for 23 or 24K. That would be like making a V6 edition of the Marauder, with a single outlet exhaust pipe thats not even polished. "


Mat

Would agree with you but Mercury also makes a crappy 16 valve V8 car that is selling for around $16K if you are an AARP member. Its called a Grand Marquis. Also the 300C 6cyl (3.5) has more HP and better mileage.

Not that I don't enjoy my MM, but I am not blinded like a dear in the headlights by it.

Gary

"Edited a bit from the first post. Just a bit PO'ed at FLM today. Sorry for the barbs in the first post."
I can see Mat's point, and there is a huge difference between Mercury GM 4.6 SOHC and the 300s V6. I'd rather have the V8.
Don't believe the mileage on the crappy SOHC V8 either, I know people who get 28-29 mpg on the highway with them.

I'm not blinded by DCX current flash and bright lights.