My street markings

[MarauderMark]

Just thought i post my markings after getting an early start this morning...This was done from a left turn out of the driveway stoppin the car and then punching it..Thought i would post it for the heck of it... :rock:

[junehhan]

I'm jealous......... :depress: :beer:

[MARAUDER S/C #5]

This is not good for the younger folks on this sight to be seeing. Laying rubber on public streets is illegal. :nono: :censor: :banned: :P

[Dan]

In every state?

Hmmm, maybe it isn't illegal in HIS state. :)

[Haggis]

This is not good for the younger folks on this sight to be seeing. Laying rubber on public streets is illegal. :nono: :censor: :banned: :P

...and it is not good for the life of your tires. :lol:

[junehhan]

At least the BFG tires for the rear on our car are reasonably priced. I just wish there were more alternatives out there for that particular size. Goodyear, are you listening????

[BillyGman]

This is not good for the younger folks on this sight to be seeing. Laying rubber on public streets is illegal. :nono: :censor: :banned: :P
yeah, I hope that was a one way road, cuz if it wasn't then you could've hit into an oncoming car or something.:rolleyes: (hint) ....

But seriously though, the first one looks decent. I noticed that the more your tires wear from previous burnouts, the lighter the marks are on the asphalt for future burnouts, even when you spin the tires really good. Having a S/Ced MM yourself, I'm sure you can relate to that. But as I looked closely at the second one, I can see three sets of strips there. So it's kinda difficult to tell where one ends, or where the other two begin and end as if though they might be overlapping.

[jrzygrl]

Bill layed a nice smoker Sunday morning out on our road..under some encouragement from me of course, :up: has to be 20 feet long before he let off, only thing is only the right tire spun? Is this because the traction control was turned off? Just curious..........Oh yeah, we live out in BFE..everybody burns rubber out on our road......

[BillyGman]

Layin rubber almost anywhere is fine w/me. I LUV it. My opening commetns were an inside joke you might say. And I might be outta the loop here on this one, but I don't know who the "Bill" is who you spoke of. But if his car is S/Ced, then I'm sure that he can leave a whole lot more than 20 feet of rubber when he wants to.

Another thing is that if someone notices that when they left rubber w/their MM, that there's only one strip instead of two then that's an indication that their "posi" (Limited slip) is gone unless it's an isolated incident. That's what happened to Dave (aka "MI2QWK4U") which he then decided to upgrade to the Eaton Limited slip differential. For me, if and when that ever happens, then I might go to a Locker rear.

[RoyLPita]

BillyGman:
Do you think that your MM is "drifting" material???

[jrzygrl]

Layin rubber almost anywhere is fine w/me. I LUV it. My opening commetns were an inside joke you might say. And I might be outta the loop here on this one, but I don't know who the "Bill" is who you spoke of. But if his car is S/Ced, then I'm sure that he can leave a whole lot more than 20 feet of rubber when he wants to.

Another thing is that if someone notices that when they left rubber w/their MM, that there's only one strip instead of two then that's an indication that their "posi" (Limited slip) is gone unless it's an isolated incident. That's what happened to Dave (aka "MI2QWK4U") which he then decided to upgrade to the Eaton Limited slip differential. For me, if and when that ever happens, then I might go to a Locker rear.

Bill's my husband..driving my car, the car is stock and I wasn't sure if the car is posi or not, I wasn't in the car at the time only observing from the driveway and thought it was odd only one tire was spinning....... :confused:

Later that day I looked over the original window sticker, didn't find limited slip differential listed on it, assumed it was not on my car.

[BillyGman]

Bill's my husband..driving my car, the car is stock and I wasn't sure if the car is posi or not, I wasn't in the car at the time only observing from the driveway and thought it was odd only one tire was spinning....... :confused:

Later that day I looked over the original window sticker, didn't find limited slip differential listed on it, assumed it was not on my car.
Yes the Marauders are "posi" although Ford doesn't call them that. They usually call them a "Locking" differential. So you might want to look for that. But all MM's do have them. This might simply be an isolated incident w/your car. Have you had the rear gear ratio changed? If so, then what rear gear oil was used? There's only one sure way to find out if this will be consistent w/your car. And that is to lay another strip of rubber, and make sure it's done on a level surface. I mean level as far as right to left goes. Uphill or flat is okay.

[BillyGman]

BillyGman:
Do you think that your MM is "drifting" material???
I'm not sure what you mean by "drifting". Do you mean the differential?

[merc406]

I'm not sure what you mean by "drifting". Do you mean the differential?



I think he means the crap that the ricers do with there cars in California figure 8's and such, hell we were doing that stuff 30 years ago, I'm not going to say where but it was fun.

[BillyGman]

Well I dunno if I'm too old, or too young, or it's simply the part of the country i come from or none of the above, but I never heard of this "drifting' thing. I've heard of guys doing "candy canes" and "donuts" but "drifting"? You got me? If it's something that was originally devised by drivers of wrong wheel drive cars, then I'm not interested.

but even if it's something like donuts, I'm not either. I'd luv to do a donut smoke show, but I'm sure that having your tires spinning while the front wheels are cut all the way to one side in a fixed position is murder on your rear end differential limited slip clutches and would probably destroy the Limited slip feature in short order. So when it comes to burnouts, I begin them w/the car straight. Sometimes it might fishtail a bit, but that's nothing like donuts, or doing burnouts around turns especially w/400 HP to the rear wheels.

Cars that don't have the power to perform legit burnouts in a straight line have to be taken around corners to get the tires to break loose (or atleast one tire anyway) but that's a cheap burnout at best, and you don't have to resort to that w/a S/Ced Marauder anyway.

[RoyLPita]

Actually, Drifting is very popular in Japan. They use rear drive "ricers" like the RX7, 300ZX, and Skyline. Pontiac now has a GTO that is set up for the sport.

[woaface]

Man, makes me wish I had the space to post my BillyG style burnout from earlier in the week. I've been keeping my burnouts to once every 6 months to a year since the last set of 60,000mile tires I had lasted 20.:rolleyes:

[woaface]

www.driftgto.com (http://www.driftgto.com) or dot org or something. Anyways. That GTO is the ****net! Drifting is waaay cool especially with American Muscle like that.

[Marauderman]

www.driftgto.com (http://www.driftgto.com) or dot org or something. Anyways. That GTO is the ****net! Drifting is waaay cool especially with American Muscle like that.
not sure if it's me or what ...but ...linky not worky......

[Agent M79]

Hmmm... I posted some skid marks too but Logan took them down. What does he have against Fruit-of-the-Loom anyway?

[PhkinQk]

Nice tracks Mark...............but was that banjo music I heard playing there.......man that looks like the sticks....:burnout:




Just thought i post my markings after getting an early start this morning...This was done from a left turn out of the driveway stoppin the car and then punching it..Thought i would post it for the heck of it... :rock:

[woaface]

www.gtodrift.com

[RoyLPita]

From what I was told, drifting is like driving a sprint car. The difference is that it is with a souped up rear driver with street tires at speeds of 120mph in both directions. Lately, car commercials (like the ones that show the "Beavis & Butthead" warning: "Professional driver on closed course. Do not attempt") show a vehicle powersliding sideways. Most of those cars are front drivers; with the exception of the new GT.

[BillyGman]

So then "drifting" is nothing more than a long skid, or a 180 degree bootleg turn? If that's the case, then none of that is of any interest to me. It isn't the same as a burnout if I'm reading this whole thing right. If not, then please correct me, but assuming I'm reading you guys right on this one, I'll also add that a skid of any kind merely displayes a deliberate lock-up of the brakes rather than some torque from the engine.

[woaface]

http://www.gtodrift.com/images/events/laguna/GTO_practice.WMV

Billy, drifting is often, from what i've seen, on a full road track. Drivers are graded on style and such. It's like doing a burnout all the way down the track and controlling the car around the turns.

[PhkinQk]

Billy, if you want a nice example of drifting click here:

http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/media_popup.asp?media=CURRENT_ VIDEO&id=4&bhcp=1 (http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/media_popup.asp?media=CURRENT_ VIDEO&id=4&bhcp=1)

As the Ford GT takes the first turn he powers into it hard and slides around the turn......that is drifting. The car "sport" if you will of drifting is a lot more of just that...........it has nothing to do with breaking, that's what makes it fun.


I'll also add that a skid of any kind merely displayes a deliberate lock-up of the brakes rather than some torque from the engine.

[MarauderMark]

Nice tracks Mark...............but was that banjo music I heard playing there.......man that looks like the sticks....:burnout:

Funny enough i had dueling banjo's playing :D




[QUOTE=woaface]http://www.gtodrift.com/images/events/laguna/GTO_practice.WMV


Ain't NO WAY im trying that on this little street .i think the neighbors would be knocking :uzi:

[junehhan]

I wonder if drifting is a sport that was ultimately invented by the tire manufacturers out there :)

[Patrick]

WTF :eek: :eek: I hope this wasnt a race???

[Haggis]

http://www.gtodrift.com/images/events/laguna/GTO_practice.WMV

Billy, drifting is often, from what i've seen, on a full road track. Drivers are graded on style and such. It's like doing a burnout all the way down the track and controlling the car around the turns.


It kinda looks like Dirt track racing with out the the dirt, the way they make those wide turns. Sure just wastes a lot of time in the corners though.

[BillyGman]

I'm very familiar w/every single video clip that there is of the 2005 Ford GT since that's my ultimate dream car!!! And so I already had that video on my PC. But that's merely waht is called a "Powerslide" where the driver breaks the back tires loose while powering in to a corner. So were did this "drifting" term come into play? If it was popularized by the Jap car makers, or Jap car owners, then I sure don't intend in following their lead by calling what the Ford GT is doing in that video "drifting". It's "powersliding". That's all.

[Bradley G]

old stuff, new lingo

[PhkinQk]

Like everything else, the damn kids saw what daddy did and made it better, cough, ok different, lol. And don't give me that dream car garbage, cause you have to have close to what it'd cost for one of those into your car by now, lol.

Oh btw, looking to do a dyno tune in Manchester the 19 or 26th any interest Billy?



I'm very familiar w/every single video clip that there is of the 2005 Ford GT since that's my ultimate dream car!!! And so I already had that video on my PC. But that's merely waht is called a "Powerslide" where the driver breaks the back tires loose while powering in to a corner. So were did this "drifting" term come into play? If it was popularized by the Jap car makers, or Jap car owners, then I sure don't intend in following their lead by calling what the Ford GT is doing in that video "drifting". It's "powersliding". That's all.

[MENINBLK]

If it was popularized by the Jap car makers, or Jap car owners, then I sure don't intend in following their lead by calling what the Ford GT is doing in that video "drifting". It's "powersliding". That's all.

FWD = Drifting since you need to break the rear loose and cause it to drift.
RWD = POWERSLIDE sice all you need to do to keep it going is to feed the gas...

[woaface]

Often, the cars are so low in drifting, that while the scream around a corner, the front wheels (angled in or out) are buzzing off the material of the wheel well in the very top center...and it looks like a nitrous purge!

[jaywish]

Well if I remember correctly from when NASCAR was running big blocks, in funny looking production cars with big wings on the back, drifting was taking a turn so fast that the entire car would drift around the turn in a controlled angle. The idea was that the car was moving to fast for taking the turn on rails and all four tires were in a slide.

You could start on the inside of the turn and wind up at the outside.

I'm pretty sure that's when I first heard of drifting.

[Constable]

^^ my understanding exactly ^^

I believe that a "drift" is when all four tires are in a slide or skid. If it's a FWD car and they're only sliding the rear around, I don't consider it a drift. ALL FOUR.

On a side note, here's my opinion on things: No matter how hard anyone tries to justify this as some kind of racing style, I disagree. It's showmanship and somewhat of an art. It has no place in "racing". Any time a tire (any tire) is put in to a skid or slide, it is out of control. When a car is in a drift, it is out of control. When I do a burnout, the rear tires are out of my control. Get it?

Now, some of you may argue that I am in control because I'm throttling and braking and keeping the car in a designated line while drifting or doing the burnout. WRONG. I'm talking about being in direct control of the vehicle's traction at any given moment. Take this example: *You're in the midst of a great drift and an object suddenly is encountered in your path.* You cannot put any input into that vehicle that will effectively release you from the drift and plant the tires in a sufficient amount of time to avoid the collision. That is out of control. Not wild. But out of your control.

Now that I have ranted about my hatred of the drifting "sport", please feel free to flame the heck out of me. I'm just really set in my ways from all of my pursuit training and Emergency Vehicle Operations schools. No matter what, I always remember that saying - "a skid / slide is being out of control".

[PhkinQk]

Well, to your point Constable, there are quite a few athletes that believe true sports don't include any use or misuse of a vehicle, be it racing or driving.

So when you come down to it, it's all about who will pay to come see it, lol.


On a side note, here's my opinion on things: No matter how hard anyone tries to justify this as some kind of racing style, I disagree. It's showmanship and somewhat of an art. It has no place in "racing".

[BillyGman]

Like everything else, the damn kids saw what daddy did and made it better, cough, ok different, lol. And don't give me that dream car garbage, cause you have to have close to what it'd cost for one of those into your car by now, lol.

Oh btw, looking to do a dyno tune in Manchester the 19 or 26th any interest Billy?
2 things:

#1. I know you were joking, but I have 40K into my car including the $$ that I originally spent to purchase it. So that's a far cry from a GT which has an MSRP of 150K...

#2. I've had my car dyno tested, already, and the only Dyno tune that I'd ever get (should I even feel the need) would be from Lidio of Alternative Auto since he's the one who burns all the chips for the Trilogy S/Cer kits.

[PhkinQk]

Yes I was joking......and if Lido was closer, I'm sure more of us New Englanders would use him.

[BillyGman]

If you have a S/Ced engine, and you decide to get it Dyno TUNED as opposed to merely getting it Dyno tested, then you have to be carefull who you bring it to since the tuning of S/Ced engines is very critical to their longevity and durability. Get it wrong and you'll melt your pistons, crack em, or blow a head gasket. When it comes to tuning Trilogy S/Ced Marauders, nobody in the entire country knows them better than (or even as well as) Lidio.

The biggest concern w/a N/A engine when it comes to tuning is getting more power out of it, so it's not as critical who you bring it to for tuning, since there's a far greater margin for error w/the non-Supercharged engine.

[PhkinQk]

If you're pointing that at me Billy, thanks, but there's no need.

And to answer your question, yup I do have a supercharged engine, a turbocharged engine and a juiced engine.....and I'd trust J&M with any of them. Been at the same shop for 14 years and they know Ford/Chevy and Superchargers like no other around. Also they are one of only two SCT distributors in CT. They are also licensed by several supercharger and Turbocharger companies and they are no fly by nighters.......

Thank goodness for people like Lido, but also thank goodness that there are other great shops around too.....:)



If you have a S/Ced engine, .

[BillyGman]

I didn't see any mention of a Supercherger in your signature which is why I htought thaty your Marauder wasn't. But anyway, as for me, I'll make the drive to see Lidio IF I decide to get the car Dyno TUNED, cuz I do have a Trilogy S/Cer, and my personal choice would be to have the man that burns all the chips that come w/the Trilogy kit tune my car. I've talked to a local engine tuner in Waterbury ( owner of Janetty Racing) who also has his own dyno, and who also is a SCT tuner and retailer, and he told me things about my air/fuel ratio that were contrary to what Lidio has told me specifically concerning the S/Ced Marauder. So it's Lidio only for my car when and IF it comes to performance tuning. But my car flies w/the basic tuning that has already come in the Trilogy chip anyway.

Lidio not only is the guy who burns ALL the chips for Trilogy to be included w/their Marauder Supercharger packages, but Lidio himself also owns a Trilogy Supercharged Marauder. Furthermore Lidio races his Marauder at the track, and he has been tuning S/Ced 4.6L engines ever since they were introduced. And so if you can come up w/a local engine tuner who you can say all that about, then I'll agree to bring my car to him, but since I know that you won't be able to, then thanks, but no thanks.

[MarauderMark]

Here's another set .I figure what the heck i got new tires downstairs .just waiting to be put on. :D

[BillyGman]

Nice.....:up:

I wish that two S/Ced Marauder owners can get together, and do a double burnout w/both cars doing them simultaneously side by side while having somebody close by w/a cam corder to make a video. That would be really cool. And that would be regardless of what type of S/Cer either of the cars have.

Mark, I live in CT. but once in awhile I visit my nephew in Deleware. So if i decide to visit him during the next four months, maybe you and I can meet in your homestate to make such a video. Uh?

[Bluerauder]

Nice.....:up:

I wish that two S/Ced Marauder owners can get together, and do a double burnout w/both cars doing them simultaneously side by side while having somebody close by w/a cam corder to make a video. That would be really cool. And that would be regardless of what type of S/Cer either of the cars have.

Mark, I live in CT. but once in awhile I visit my nephew in Deleware. So if i decide to visit him during the next four months, maybe you and I can meet in your homestate to make such a video. Uh?
Someone recently posted a Marauder burnout video on the site. Can't remember who it was.

[MarauderMark]

Nice.....:up:

I wish that two S/Ced Marauder owners can get together, and do a double burnout w/both cars doing them simultaneously side by side while having somebody close by w/a cam corder to make a video. That would be really cool. And that would be regardless of what type of S/Cer either of the cars have.

Mark, I live in CT. but once in awhile I visit my nephew in Deleware. So if i decide to visit him during the next four months, maybe you and I can meet in your homestate to make such a video. Uh?



Now that would be Waaaaaaaaaaay cool!! :rock: Just call me anytime you happen to be this way i have a digital camara and a video recorder.Maybe we can get haggis and marauder03 in this as well. :banana: oh the idea's are endless.well theres suppose to be a meet in september at new england. just in case you dont make it down here..Oh lunch is on me.. :beer:
In that last pic i covered the street with so much smoke that the car coming behind me(which i did'nt see) had to stop and wait cause they could'nt see what was on the other side.. :rock: :rock:





Chazz you talking about this one???
Marauder burnout (http://www.bishopsales.com/kennybrown/movies/kennybrown_marauder_video.html )

[BillyGman]

Someone recently posted a Marauder burnout video on the site. Can't remember who it was.uhmm, that's a joke. Right? If not, then allow me to point out that it was me who did, and it was two of them.

Now that would be Waaaaaaaaaaay cool!! :rock: Just call me anytime you happen to be this way i have a digital camara and a video recorder.Maybe we can get haggis and marauder03 in this as well. :banana: oh the idea's are endless. That sounds great to me. perhaps you can send a PM to me w/your ph #..... well theres suppose to be a meet in september at new england. just in case you dont make it down here..Oh lunch is on me.. :beer: okay.
In that last pic i covered the street with so much smoke that the car coming behind me(which i did'nt see) had to stop and wait cause they could'nt see what was on the other side.. LOL...I can relate to that. It's rather amusing when it happens.