E85 on a eaton swap.

[Themarauderguy]

I'm curious if any of you eaton swap guys have ever tried tuning on E85 what are the results on a basic Eaton swap 39 pound injectors 90mm mass air flow stock exhaust. Stock upper eaton pulley two pounds lower. Stock block no forged internals. Would like to know if it's worth it what all do you need to run E85? had a buddy tell me something about it thought I would ask here figure you guys might know.

[MOTOWN]

Absolutely no reason to go E85 on an Eaton swap , keep in mind an Eaton swap on gasoline can make more power than the stock internals (pistons&rods) can handle , also E85 requires three times the volume as gasoline so it would require bigger injectors and fuel pump , not to mention E85 compatible fuel lines fittings etc , E85 will rust any bare metal components in the fuel system.

E85 is better suited for builds needing to run race gas due to high compression and/or boost , none of that applies to the Eaton swap.

[Zack]

E85 will not rust metal components of a fuel system.
You could make close to 500rwhp with a 10psi Eaton swap and headers with E85
Plus it will overcome heat soak since it burns much cooler

[mm svt]

Which flex fuel conversion would work best for the Marauder?
And how does it effect a custom tune

[Themarauderguy]

E85 will not rust metal components of a fuel system.
You could make close to 500rwhp with a 10psi Eaton swap and headers with E85
Plus it will overcome heat soak since it burns much cooler
Wow that's really good news I didn't expect that much of an increase. and that's on stock internals right. So I can keep my injectors and fuel pump I have with the Eaton swap? Thanks for the info.

[Zack]

Wow that's really good news I didn't expect that much of an increase. and that's on stock internals right. So I can keep my injectors and fuel pump I have with the Eaton swap? Thanks for the info.



Sounds like you need to do some research sir. No to everything


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[Themarauderguy]

Ok will look into this more. Thanks

[MOTOWN]

E85 will not rust metal components of a fuel system.
You could make close to 500rwhp with a 10psi Eaton swap and headers with E85
Plus it will overcome heat soak since it burns much cooler

Its a well known fact that E85 will rust any bare metal components in the fuel system , but coming from you I wouldn't expect anything less from the B.S. peanut gallery! And you can make close to 500 on 93 octane its only been done to death.

[mm svt]

Its a well known fact that E85 will rust any bare metal components in the fuel system , but coming from you I wouldn't expect anything less from the B.S. peanut gallery! And you can make close to 500 on 93 octane its only been done to death.



Not on 10 psi, which is key to his statement, if you want 500 on 93 your gonna need to spin it harder

[MOTOWN]

Not on 10 psi, which is key to his statement, if you want 500 on 93 your gonna need to spin it harder

If his goal is 500 at the wheels get ready to build a forged motor!

[Themarauderguy]

If his goal is 500 at the wheels get ready to build a forged motor!

My goal isn't a set-in-stone 500 but if you could push the stock block harder less heat soak which we have here in Texas especially in the summer time and make more power why not? I know all about building a forged internal block. I'm not trying to do that right now the simple question I asked was would you make more horsepower on the same amount of boost with E85 versus 91 or 93 octane. My buddy has an 03 Cobra Mustang and he's change the pulley and runs E85 and said you make more horsepower on E85 then having to upgrade many different components on 93. to get the same horsepower plus less Heat. So this is just a question. Lol let's not start a whole thread on Building engines and all that simple question and I pretty much see the answer E85 does allow more horsepower cuz it's less heat and you can add more timing.

[MOTOWN]

My goal isn't a set-in-stone 500 but if you could push the stock block harder less heat soak which we have here in Texas especially in the summer time and make more power why not? I know all about building a forged internal block. I'm not trying to do that right now the simple question I asked was would you make more horsepower on the same amount of boost with E85 versus 91 or 93 octane. My buddy has an 03 Cobra Mustang and he's change the pulley and runs E85 and said you make more horsepower on E85 then having to upgrade many different components on 93. to get the same horsepower plus less Heat. So this is just a question. Lol let's not start a whole thread on Building engines and all that simple question and I pretty much see the answer E85 does allow more horsepower cuz it's less heat and you can add more timing.

Your not going to gain anything by simply switching an eaton swaped Marauder to E85 but if you think otherwise good luck.

[RubberCtyRauder]

put a killer chiller on it. iat's around 100 in summer, not spiking and pulling timing thus losing power

[Themarauderguy]

some people say you only gain a certain amount and can't do this and can't do that. hell I guess I'll try it and I'll let you know the numbers. Too bad this form is so politically correct! seems like you can't ask a simple question without name calling and so forth happening and everyone's opinion. The whole point in these forms is for information and for people to give their insight and what they've done. And know! not bashing name-calling and so forth I won't ask anymore questions on this form thanks! Now I understand why there was a second form for the Marauders started. I just want to give thanks to Zack for giving me the info thank you again.

[MOTOWN]

put a killer chiller on it. iat's around 100 in summer, not spiking and pulling timing thus losing power

Best post right here!:banana2:

[Themarauderguy]

My buddies here laughing he has his Mustang with the killer Chiller. he said you're stupid if you think E85 don't make more horsepower I'll go with Zacks opinion I listen to him. Im done talkin with you. Lol now go ahead and say what you will I'm not going to read anymore on this thread I'm done with it.

[Zack]

Your not going to gain anything by simply switching an eaton swaped Marauder to E85 but if you think otherwise good luck.

LMAO WUT?
Using E85 will allow you to advance the timing about 5-8 degrees. And on Mod motors, each degree of timing usually gives you 10rwhp

Sheesh

[MOTOWN]

LMAO WUT?
Using E85 will allow you to advance the timing about 5-8 degrees. And on Mod motors, each degree of timing usually gives you 10rwhp

Sheesh

Lets see sport! after changing injectors , fuel pump , fuel lines , etc , on a stock motor that CANNOT handle an eaton on pump gas (for long) E85 is pointless in that particular application , its like putting running shoes on a three legged pig! Whats the point?

How many members have blown stock motors with Eatons??? a lot! , E85 will not change that or allow you to make more power on a stock motor thats already beyond its limits on pump gas!

[Zack]

Do you have a brain injury? You said E85 would not gain him anything. Incorrect. It gains horsepower.

[MOTOWN]

Do you have a brain injury? You said E85 would not gain him anything. Incorrect. It gains horsepower.

LOL are you capable of a conversation:confused: oh wait never mind , I know what I said and in the case of E85 on a Eaton swaped Marauder on weak stock engine its going to blow up! so again whats the point?

Hell im well aware that E85 can make power ill be running it on both my cars , but I wouldn't waste my time going E85 on a Eaton swaped Marauder on a stock motor , are you able to read and comprehend? no????

[RubberCtyRauder]

My buddies here laughing he has his Mustang with the killer Chiller. he said you're stupid if you think E85 don't make more horsepower I'll go with Zacks opinion I listen to him. Im done talkin with you. Lol now go ahead and say what you will I'm not going to read anymore on this thread I'm done with it.

I think the major point here is with stock motor, switching to e85 is sort of pointless since tbe stock motor isnt built for bgger power. yes, you can make more with e85 and the required changes but your motor life will be shortened. Eaton swap stock motor cars are best in the 425 rwhp range for best longevity, but no guarantee. Pushing the stock motor to 480 or so range can and has been done, just be prepared for a complete rebuild when a powdered metal rod or piston lets go.

I think that is what Roger, Motown is saying. , Build a forged internal motor, then juice it up with e85, it will have a much better chance lasting a long time.

[Zack]

Stock engines fail from detonation and High IAT’s 99% of the time. You can use E85 and back the timing down to whatever power level you want to drive off the dyno with.

[mm svt]

Personally I’d rather make more power with less boost. Then add the safety factor for heat and detonation which is the biggest problem on the stock internals especially the pistons being the weakest link.

[Turbov6Bryan]

Good luck with your eaton swap chAmp .... phone Auto corrected

[mm svt]

Good luck with your eaton swap chump



I don’t think that’s an appropriate reply, even if he was trolling ( don’t believe he was, just saying)
But negative replies and personal wars on a specific subject should be avoided at all costs. I got some flak when I originally posted my son and I plan to use the cobra timing cover and pulley bridge because is more work than a trilogy set up or what Jerry makes ( which I respect very much) but it’s what we had and what we used. I didn’t respond to the negative posts about our plans and a few players in here were more than helpful. If we all listen to nay sayers Zacks Lincolin probably would not exist because a good cobra engine went in a boat anchor (not really). I personally am interested in his build and the results of his E85 at stock boost levels.

[RubberCtyRauder]

I believe ha already has an eaton swap..first post..stock motor, 39 lb inj. 2lb lower etc..e85 requires $ to be spent for inj. fuel requirements..so the question is why put the money into it on a stock motor? If e85 is always readily avail. I don't see the issue so you can run 10psi instead of 12. I haven't even seen an e85 pump anywhere near me.

[sailsmen]

I'm curious if any of you eaton swap guys have ever tried tuning on E85 what are the results on a basic Eaton swap 39 pound injectors 90mm mass air flow stock exhaust. Stock upper eaton pulley two pounds lower. Stock block no forged internals. Would like to know if it's worth it what all do you need to run E85? had a buddy tell me something about it thought I would ask here figure you guys might know.

Based on his 4 questions and above stated parameters the answer are.....
"ever tried tuning on E85?"
"what are the results?"
"if it's worth it"?
"what all do you need to run E85?".

[loud2004marquis]

What would cost more; forging the bottom end or an E85 conversion? (ballpark)

[Zack]

What would cost more; forging the bottom end or an E85 conversion? (ballpark)

I hope you have not misunderstood this conversation. Using E85 has cooling benefits and mainly anti-detonation benefits. Comparing E85 to a forged motor is apples to oranges.

[Fastbob]

E-85 has a pump octane rating of around 105. Higher octane fuel permits more timing due to it's anti-detonation properties. Actually you could use E-85 with an Eaton swap, dial in more timing and slightly reduce the boost and come up with the same horsepower. Zach is 100% correct yet again. Larger injectors, more fuel from the pump and a custom tune would be required.

[mm svt]

Bottom end, crank, rods, pistons, rings, bearings, gaskets=4K plus labor and shop supplies vs 60 to 80 lb injectors, fuel pumps and tune for max hp on stock internals $1200 to 1500 plus labor and supplies. For more HP your probably going to need a return system with even larger injectors.

[Themarauderguy]

I hope you have not misunderstood this conversation. Using E85 has cooling benefits and mainly anti-detonation benefits. Comparing E85 to a forged motor is apples to oranges.

This^ why I was leaning towards looking into it.

[Themarauderguy]

Good luck with your eaton swap chump

Name calling. Really? For the record I've done three of them.

[Zack]

If you have access to E85 and are ok with awful gas mileage, it’s the best thing for any forced induction engine.

[Themarauderguy]

Just want thank zack and everyone else. Who gave helpful info. Thanks. Wasn't looking to start an argument among the members here or get everybody in a bad mood. and I want to wish everybody here at mercurymarauder.net a Happy New Year!!!

[sailsmen]

Have you considered Methanol?

[MOTOWN]

So lets sum this great thread up spend cash on larger injectors , larger fuel pump ,new fuel lines, a new tune only to make the same power at less boost!

Makes perfect sense to me what da hell was I thinking? by all means go right ahead! enjoy your tons of new found power and drivability your going to get.

[TooManyFords]

This forum never disappoints!

[Zack]

So lets sum this great thread up spend cash on larger injectors , larger fuel pump ,new fuel lines, a new tune only to make the same power at less boost!

Makes perfect sense to me what da hell was I thinking? by all means go right ahead! enjoy your tons of new found power and drivability your going to get.

Almost every single Eaton swap blows up due to detonation. A stock engine will last at 500rwhp all day long if it does not detonate. Catostrophic failure does not occur because parts can’t keep up with the power thrown at them. There is always a catostrophic event (avoidable) associated with failure.
Keep showing your ignorance.

[Turbov6Bryan]

Both Motown and Zack are correct on both points.

End game 425 rwhp or you eventually chuck a rod and or break a ring land.

E85 should help with heat soak.

So why not just add a methanol kit and not have to worry about fuel not being exact for the tune, don't have to build a fuel system for e85, don't have to build a bottom end.....

Honestly, I didn't type chump, my phone auto corrected, my apologies about not catching it. It was early for me

I read it as you were wanting to do a eaton swap

[Zack]

Why don’t we compare a Centri car to a roots car. Statistically, centri cars last longer on stock engines. Why? Because the air going in is usually within 20 degrees of ambient. Roots cars: usually 60-100 higher.

A roots car on a stock engine can yield incredible reliability if the timing is conservative, you monitor IAT’s, and your ear is trained to listen for trouble

[MOTOWN]

Almost every single Eaton swap blows up due to detonation. A stock engine will last at 500rwhp all day long if it does not detonate. Catostrophic failure does not occur because parts can’t keep up with the power thrown at them. There is always a catostrophic event (avoidable) associated with failure.
Keep showing your ignorance.

LOL you never seem to understand the simple point made if it does not align with your own!

Will E85 make power? YES , why did I respond by saying theres no benefit to adding E85 to Eaton swap on a stock motor , because it makes no common sense to do whatsoever!
Nothing to gain except a lighter pocket book! while were at it lets add a twin screw to a stock Marauder and then attempt to justify such a foolish mod!

And a stock engine will never last at 500hp with no detonation , its still going to eat ring lands and burn up #7 valve and seat as N/A mod motors do over time.

[mm svt]

That’s why Jeff and Marty are so good, they actually care about what they do for you and will be honest. Riley’s latest tune was great for the worn out eaton and Jeff knew it and stopped there he’s definitely a pro. Can’t wait to go back with the TVS on it. And the KIller Chiller is the E85 alternative just doesn’t add any hp but you still have good MPG

[Themarauderguy]

So lets sum this great thread up spend cash on larger injectors , larger fuel pump ,new fuel lines, a new tune only to make the same power at less boost!

Makes perfect sense to me what da hell was I thinking? by all means go right ahead! enjoy your tons of new found power and drivability your going to get.

I believe the point in going with E85 is because you will make more horsepower without detonation, and it won't run as hot no heat soak, or not as much anyway. And even with a forged block you would still blow your engine if it detonates overtime yes. And upgraded fuel pump and injectors and as far as you claim. the fuel lines as well still wouldn't cost as much as getting a forged block built. to run an eaton swap the whole point would be you could gain almost 500 horsepower at the wheels on E85 on a stock Eaton swap. where as a forge block would require a Whipple on 93 to get close to the same results. And yes you might even get more but with a lot more money spent a Whipple's 3500 just for the blower!!! And my buddy with the 03 Cobra Mustang just let me talk to his friend on the phone. who has a 99 Cobra that's not forged internals with an eaton swap and pretty impressive numbers on E85 he said ''you can push a stock block a lot harder with E85'' and as stated before I like to try stuff that's different versus what everyone else does. I know I can build a forge block buy a Whipple and yada yada yada, but I want to see what the results would be with an E85 so that's why I'm looking into it. once again thanks to Zack. And I'm not worried about the bottom block. I've got 4 mark viii blocks that are good right now that I can slap my Marauder heads on anytime. plus two extra sets of C heads for the marauder so it's not a big deal as far as the block goes. But one last thing for you to say to try E85 on an Eaton swap makes no sense. is the same as saying running a 93 octane tune on a 91 supercharged octane tune car makes no sense I'll see your logic! Lol all through history there's always been people who say you can't do it. it can't be done, but there's been a lot of great inventions because people went ahead and tried something different. So here's my question to you Motown have you actually tried running E85 on an Eaton swap car? Obviously not because you said you'd never do it.

[mm svt]

I’d run E85 in your shoes and not worry about gas mileage as the only negative thing that comes to mind. If you do I certainly will sub to the thread

[Turbov6Bryan]

The block isn't the weak point

The rods are the weakest point on this car, too much horsepower breaks these rods.

You could run 93, E100, C16.... once you make that miracle #, the rod snaps.


Run e85, lower the boost, spend lots of money to make the safe horsepower, enjoy lower intake temps...

Fuel pumps, injectors, tune, fuel line, different pulley, belt, realistically what will this set you back?

[Lowndex]

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/thinking-about-running-e85-in-your-old-muscle-car.2141/

[MOTOWN]

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/thinking-about-running-e85-in-your-old-muscle-car.2141/

Thats actually an excellent article! Must be a full moon:rolleyes:

[MOTOWN]

The block isn't the weak point

The rods are the weakest point on this car, too much horsepower breaks these rods.

You could run 93, E100, C16.... once you make that miracle #, the rod snaps.


Run e85, lower the boost, spend lots of money to make the safe horsepower, enjoy lower intake temps...

Fuel pumps, injectors, tune, fuel line, different pulley, belt, realistically what will this set you back?

Excellent points as usual Bryan!:bows:

[sailsmen]

Methanol?...........

[MOTOWN]

Methanol?...........

Ive never seen Methanol net good results on a roots style setup , it typically never gets past the rotors.

[sailsmen]

I agree, however I thought Blown 3.8 figured it out?

[MOTOWN]

I agree, however I thought Blown 3.8 figured it out?

No he never had any luck both post blower and plumbing directly into the lower intake , I talked with Julio from Alky control and he said solenoids would be needed when introducing Meth after the throttle body due to engine vacuum.

[lifespeed]

I don’t think that’s an appropriate reply, even if he was trolling ( don’t believe he was, just saying)
But negative replies and personal wars on a specific subject should be avoided at all costs. I got some flak when I originally posted my son and I plan to use the cobra timing cover and pulley bridge because is more work than a trilogy set up or what Jerry makes ( which I respect very much) but it’s what we had and what we used. I didn’t respond to the negative posts about our plans and a few players in here were more than helpful. If we all listen to nay sayers Zacks Lincolin probably would not exist because a good cobra engine went in a boat anchor (not really). I personally am interested in his build and the results of his E85 at stock boost levels.

I put a '99 cobra timing cover, tensioner and 8-rib pulley setup on mine as well. Should spin the supercharger without belt slip.

[hotford]

E-85 doesn't require three times the fuel vs gasoline but does require a minimum of 30% additional fuel requirement to achieve the same power out put as Gasoline would offer.e 85 is hard on rubber components, absorbs moisture, but I never had any issues.

That being said may good points here to be taken, as I have 2 of my cars running E-85 and can tell ya that both cars picked up over 70 rwhp from pump to E-85.

I say pushing that stock motor to the 500 rwhp limit will not last long.

Most people running E85 don't really care about fuel mileage as the cost certainly out weights the performance gains , I noticed that if the car would get 300 miles to a tank on pump 93, E85 would only yield 200 miles per tank.

Average price of E 85 is 1.75 gallon, 93 pump 3.50 a gallon, 100 unlead, 7.00 a gallon, Turbo blue 110 8.00 a gallon, If i had a station close to me that offered E85 that would be the only fuel I would run, most of my friends have been doing so for over 3 years with no issues.

[Blown3.8]

Wow. I gotta come back to this.

[Blown3.8]

Almost every single Eaton swap blows up due to detonation. A stock engine will last at 500rwhp all day long if it does not detonate. Catostrophic failure does not occur because parts can’t keep up with the power thrown at them. There is always a catostrophic event (avoidable) associated with failure.

I agree with this.

I would do it. And I believe it would live plenty long. I would do injectors and a 465 fuel pump, tune and see what it gets you.

I also wonder if most of the problems with blowing up stock motors has to do with too much heat in the cylinders from the added HP that the stock ring gap is not enough and they butt and crack the ring lands. Not necessarily detonation. It would be nice to see someone open up the stock gap like the LS guys do and see how long it lasts. I think I will measure the gap soon just so I know what it is, from a 174k mile motor.

I never got to test the meth after the blower much. Poor choice of fittings. They rusted and clogged the jets. I now have 2 jets before the blower that I want to test this year.

[Turbov6Bryan]

I use twin Hago m-10 , or a single Hago m-15 on my buicks. 15 years strong and clean as a whistle. They have screens, but if you have dedicated meth cans, the system stays contaminant free. Just have a variable voltage controller and you can dial in how you want it.

I have used Julios alky control boxes and the older version SMC.

[lifespeed]

I also wonder if most of the problems with blowing up stock motors has to do with too much heat in the cylinders from the added HP that the stock ring gap is not enough and they butt and crack the ring lands. Not necessarily detonation. It would be nice to see someone open up the stock gap like the LS guys do and see how long it lasts. I think I will measure the gap soon just so I know what it is, from a 174k mile motor

One of the members here, forget who, did exactly this. Broke the ring lands in the stocker, although it was after many, many miles on a stock setup with a supercharger. I think he believed he got a tank of bad gas and violently disagreed with my comment. Photos are in here somewhere. By definition, more power = more heat.

But, as you mention, broken ring lands are almost always the result of rings expanding and closing the gap until they snap the ring land. He may well have had a tank of bad gas to precipitate this event, but on a motor built for supercharging with a proper ring gap the ring lands would not have broken so easily.

Yes, E85 is good for supercharging but the stock engine isn't. If it isn't the ring lands it's the connecting rods.

[sailsmen]

From a former Trilogy owner;
"I mounted it under the intake
2 jets facing up
I had to install a check valve in the line from the tank to prevent the vacuum from sucking the tank dry

When the meth fires I was seeing a 50 degree drop in Iat2 instantly"

[Themarauderguy]

I think if I could even see 50 to 60 more rear-wheel horsepower from Simply switching to E85 it would be worth it. just for that gain on the stock block engine anyway. With that said when I build a forged engine. I wonder what kind of numbers I could see on an Eaton swap to the rear wheels on E85. But like I mentioned in several post on this thread. the biggest failure cause to the stock block is the Heat from the Eaton blower.

[RubberCtyRauder]

The block is fine..it's the stock pistons and rods that don't hold up...9 psi or 13 psi or anywhere else.

[Toomanytoys]

Well... My marauder is at martys for upgrades and even though he is not a big fan of e85, i was going to try really hard for a second time to get him to convert my car over to it... Its a stock block with 04 cobra crank, rods and pistons with a tvs blower and a killer chiller.... Come on marty.... We all want to see it !!

[mm svt]

Sounds very similar build to Riley’s Marauder. It’s going to be interesting to see what comes of this.

[sailsmen]

I think this thread shows it's more than just "Simply switching to E85".

[Themarauderguy]

I think this thread shows it's more than just "Simply switching to E85".
yes thats the way it looks. :violin:

[BUCKWHEAT]

Let's think in terms of trying to get current pump gas 'rated' at 93 octane to be real 93 octane. Our government masters let the gas stations sell us something less than 93 and still call it '93' without getting in trouble. So my question is, assuming that Ethanol is something like 105 octane equivalent, can we mix, say, two gallons of Ethanol with every tank full of 93 and improve performance with better pump gas while not threatening metal parts etc with a 100% ethanol fuel?

[sailsmen]

Please elaborate on - "Let's think in terms of trying to get current pump gas 'rated' at 93 octane to be real 93 octane. Our government masters let the gas stations sell us something less than 93 and still call it '93' without getting in trouble.".

[Fastbob]

Let's think in terms of trying to get current pump gas 'rated' at 93 octane to be real 93 octane. Our government masters let the gas stations sell us something less than 93 and still call it '93' without getting in trouble. So my question is, assuming that Ethanol is something like 105 octane equivalent, can we mix, say, two gallons of Ethanol with every tank full of 93 and improve performance with better pump gas while not threatening metal parts etc with a 100% ethanol fuel?They already do this and it is called E-10 and E-15. If it has a minimum octane number then the fuel will be at least that. The minimum octane number is closely monitored.

[Turbov6Bryan]

Let's think in terms of trying to get current pump gas 'rated' at 93 octane to be real 93 octane. Our government masters let the gas stations sell us something less than 93 and still call it '93' without getting in trouble. So my question is, assuming that Ethanol is something like 105 octane equivalent, can we mix, say, two gallons of Ethanol with every tank full of 93 and improve performance with better pump gas while not threatening metal parts etc with a 100% ethanol fuel?

If you have larger injectors a wide band a fuel content sensor and a ecu that can be programmed for target air:fuel ratio then you would benefit from E10 all the way up to E100

You could then blend the fuel to your liking

A few years back I smoked all the E85 cars in my class with 3 gallons of 104 octane to a 1/4 tank of non ethanol 93.

[BUCKWHEAT]

Please elaborate on - "Let's think in terms of trying to get current pump gas 'rated' at 93 octane to be real 93 octane. Our government masters let the gas stations sell us something less than 93 and still call it '93' without getting in trouble.".
Sure. I am repeating hearsay, not known fact, but the jist is that 93 octane can test at something like 91.8 octane and still qualify to sell as 93 octane. Perhaps someone here with superior information on testing procedure could chime in.

[RubberCtyRauder]

take it another step. is e85 actually 105 octane each time? Yes, the gov. checks fuel quality and quantity , state dept. of weights and measures, elected positions by you the voter

Jut dont tune your car to the ragged edge of timing etc.on whatever fuel you run and its still no guarantee. Obviously these hellcats, ctsv, audi, vette, zl1 camaro, roush, any factory supercharged car has thecsame issues and they offer a warranty. They tune on the more conservative side, otherwise tge hellcat i saw getting dynoed at MO's with just pulley swap, injectors, e85 would not have gone to 915 rwhp.

[Turbov6Bryan]

If anyone has ran oxygenated race gas on their car, then here you e85 guys go.

https://www.sunocoracefuels.com/fuel/e85-r