Marauder and 300C comparison

[Svashtar]

I am picking up my new '03 model Marauder this coming week. Can't wait! I literally saw my first Marauder (or the first I paid attention to) just three weeks ago. I stopped the guy, who also had a black '03, and asked him all about it. I called around and was quoted 33,800 on a nice '04, but then found an '03 that had been sitting in Seaside for over almost a year, and was able to bargain with the dealer a bit. Ended up getting it for 24,845 base, so was very happy.

From all the info you guys have given me, it's a 300A, but I guess it was made in Canada because it has every feature on it that can be had as far as I know. It didn't have a trunk organizer but the salesman is throwing it in to seal the deal.

My wife is not a big fan of the car, which since I love it is to be expected (long story, married 20 years? you know what I'm talkin' about.) Even though I have a deal with the Lincoln dealer, my wife insisted we go look at Chryslers. I almost bought an '04 300 limited at the end of last year, but it was just a bit too small for me.

Anyway, this new '05 model was very impressive. Road & Track says it will do 0-60 in 5.6 seconds with it's 5.7L engine which develops 340 HP and 390 ft lbs. (4000 RPM). The engine is a beautiful piece of engineering and so they designed the car around it.

Just some comparisons, likes and dislikes:

Like: 7/70 warranty on powertrain std, Hemi engine, privacy tinted windows, chrome side mirrors, Mercedes designed seats have excellent lateral support with is a MM weakness IMO, GPS/NAV option ($1600), deep back seat with more legroom, 196" OAL and 120" wheelbase, some amazing 380 watt stereo system. They did a good job of balancing the car almost 50/50 front & back. Favorite features are a telescoping AND tilting steering wheel, self-sealing tires, the engine technology that gives it great MPG in the high 20's or even 30 HWY by switching off 4 cylinders when not needed (runs on 89 octane), and finally a very cool auto tranny with comfortable chromed shifter that has an autostick shifter that has a manual sequential shift mode. That is from one position just bump the lever less than a 1/4" to shift thru 3 gears manually. This is very, very fast if you like to shift manually.

Dislikes: style is boxy and fairly unimaginative IMO; the grill looks like it belongs on a Bentley. The tires are 225 60 series 18"; there is no way I could have a moonroof with this car as even with ther seat all the way down my head brushed the roof (I have 39" of sitting height.) The "greenhouse" is far smaller that I would like, and I could expect to pay about $36K base price. Other options would add more $.

Overall, I didn't get the measurements, but I know the car is less wide than a MM. They advertise you can seat 5 which is a breeze in the MM, but 3 people would be cramped in the 300 backseat IMO. The headroom is way less than the MM. The exhaust is not a true dual as in ours but they split it after it goes thru a single catalytic converter. It has nice gauges and a tach, but they don't have the cool classic retro look of the Marauder. MM tires have a wider aspect ratio, and just look cooler. MM is 15" longer, is taller and wider. MM weight about 200 lbs heavier. MM steering wheel design is nicer and more functional. And of course, the MM can be heavily modifed with spoiler, etc. etc., and with this 300 package WYSIWYG.

The one thing the salesman and their brochures said that really irritated me was that this Chrysler was "the first all-new American rear-drive family car from a North American manufacturer in more than 25 years!" I don't know how they can look at our cars and say that with a straight face.

Anyway, that's just my input. Of course, the wife wanted the Chrysler, probably for the white leather seats, but any time I can get the kick-ass bad-looking car of my dreams AND save $12,000 I'm going to do it. She already has her car, and this is my first new vehicle in 12 years, so even if it puts me in the doghouse she doesn't get a vote this time!

Regards,

Norm

[Hack Goby]

I saw this yesterday on I-696.it has a manufactor plate and a deeper growl and those black rims.Just another Dodge to me. http://home.comcast.net/~hack_goby/DSCN0511.JPG

[BillyGman]

Norm, I've never driven one of those although I've seen them. Here's my viewpoint. I have no loyalty to Ford nor to Mercury, but even if I saw the 300C before I bought my Marauder I wouldn't have even considered buying the 300C simply because of it's body style. I think the Marauder is waaaaaaay better looking. Everywhere I go I get people who I don't even know complimenting me on my car as far as the way it looks(and now on the way it sounds too). I don't see anyway you would get that from driving a 300C. Some compliments come from women, but almost all of them come from guys.


So I'm not surprised that your wife doesn't like the Marauder, because for the most part it's a guy thing (although there are exceptions to that rule since we do have female members on this board who not only Luv Marauders, but who own them). So my opinion for what it's worth to you is to get the Marauder. You're getting a much better deal on that than you would on the 300C, and that's the angle that I would push on the Mrs. If I were you (the fantastic deal ;) ).

But as for me, even if you gave me a 300C, I'd sell it and buy a second Marauder. It would be great owning two of them as some people on this board do. One thing to consider is that if you ever want to modify the Marauder to make it move faster, not only do you have a wealth of info that you can obtain from many of us here as to the best ways to do that (some of them w/out voiding your warantee) but there are numerous options from the vendors here on this board that you can use to do that. Whereas you won't have those options w/the 300C since it's a brand new design. You might not be thinking about modifying a new car right now, but neither was I when I bought my Marauder.To date I have quite a few modifications to it, and I Luv it now even more than I did when I first bought it. And even w/the mods I had performed to it before I Supercharged it, I would've blown the doors off any 300C around.

As far as the 300A or 300B Marauder issue, if it doesn't have traction control, then it's a 300A. The 300A's are my favorite, and that's what I have. But be advised that even if you hate traction control as much as I do, you can turn it off if you choose if your car happens to be a 300B (however, you'll have to turn it off every time you start it up).

[Mad4Macs]

I wouldn't have even considered buying the 300C simply because of it's body style

Ditto. Just like I think "Cavalier" when I see the front of the GTO, I think "Malibu Maxx" when I see the rear of the 300C.
Ewww...

[FiveO]

The front end looks like a cow catcher from a train from the 1800's....



http://www.groupfirst.com/portfolio/locomotive.jpg

Another view of the front end of a 300C...

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/misc/images/pokeysmokey.jpg


Couple front end pics of antique trains:

http://www.columbiafleet.com/images/new/04/300c.jpg

http://www.detnews.com/pix/2004/02/16/asec/A016-300c-0204n-4.jpg


Need I say more :D

[chrish]

Is that a brand new MM ? If not how many miles?

[ADE 1000]

I saw this yesterday on I-696.it has a manufactor plate and a deeper growl and those black rims.Just another Dodge to me. http://home.comcast.net/~hack_goby/DSCN0511.JPG


Wow, I think you actually managed to get a shot of the upcoming 300C SRT-8. It will have a 6.1L version of the Hemi with approx 420hp. I am not a big "Damlier Chrysler" fan myself, but I have got to respect anything with that much hp.

[woaface]

I saw this yesterday on I-696.it has a manufactor plate and a deeper growl and those black rims.Just another Dodge to me.
Where is Barry, he needs a whoopin'!

[JohnnyB]

I saw a regular 300 in a parking lot yesterday. It was a base model... cloth seats, bland wheels and no-hemi. Step up to the 300 M and your looking at close to 40,000....
The grille reminds me of the design used on the early 60's New Yorker

[the fat bastid]

fyi, the 300 is acutally around the same size as a tarus. its not full sized, its mid.

[Hack Goby]

I tried to get the guy to run me but he was having no part of it.Plus when I took the pic(he saw me) he gets right on his cellphone(Im busted)but anyway there are already so many of them in the Detroit area that I am sick of looking at them.

[Tallboy]

at the tower shops [sunshine state marauders monthly meet] cobra25, roylpita, and i saw a black 300c in the parking lot. nice car. until you look back at my 300a. no comparison.:shot:

[BillyGman]

Wow, I think you actually managed to get a shot of the upcoming 300C SRT-8. It will have a 6.1L version of the Hemi with approx 420hp. I am not a big "Damlier Chrysler" fan myself, but I have got to respect anything with that much hp.Bah...... just get S/Ced, and you'll fly right by those. Remeber, a 420 HP rating from the factory means 420 HP at the crankshaft. NOT at the wheels. That translates to approxamately 330-340 HP at the wheels. So w/a S/Ced Marauder, you would have 40-50 HP at the wheels more than that car will. :up:

Five0, "cow catcher" LOL, that's a good one!! The back of that thang is so boxy it looks like a big black brick on wheels. Not exactly what I call "stylish". Now a Marauder, that's what I call "style". :)

[jgc61sr2002]

Svashtar - Congrats and good luck with your Marauder. :up:

[JerseyVics]

fyi, the 300 is acutally around the same size as a tarus. its not full sized, its mid.
I thought it was bigger...

and there I was getting all distracted by a dodge!

http://www.jerzeylimo.com/nj-limo/300c.gif
www.jerzeylimo.com

--Russ

[2003DOHC]

If the Hemi was not an option most people on this board would not give the car a second look.

[BillyGman]

If the Hemi was not an option most people on this board would not give the car a second look.A very good point. I agree. the engine is cool, but what about what's wrapped around it? Is it butt ugly, or is it stylish like the Marauder is? That's what needs to be considered. Look at the back view of a Marauder, and then the same view of that 300C thang. How can you even compare the two? There's simply no comparisant IMO.

[2003DOHC]

I agree the Marauder is a much more pleasing design! The 300C reminds me of the car from the movie The Car.

[CRUZTAKER]

Where is Barry, he needs a whoopin'!
I used to fear the 350ZX TURBO....not any more....and I sure don't fear a GTO...nor a Chrysler HEMI. All I need is a new rear end and I am back in bussiness.

I will admit however, the Chrysler comes with lots of interior goodies not offered on the MM, and they are cool goodies, but I will NEVER own a Chrysler...period!

[RCSignals]

Welcome Norm.

I think you made the right choice!

Some comments on your 300C review:


Anyway, this new '05 model was very impressive. Road & Track says it will do 0-60 in 5.6 seconds with it's 5.7L engine which develops 340 HP and 390 ft lbs. (4000 RPM). The engine is a beautiful piece of engineering and so they designed the car around it.

Just some comparisons, likes and dislikes:

Like: 7/70 warranty on powertrain std, Hemi engine, privacy tinted windows, chrome side mirrors, Mercedes designed seats have excellent lateral support with is a MM weakness IMO, GPS/NAV option ($1600), deep back seat with more legroom, 196" OAL and 120" wheelbase, some amazing 380 watt stereo system. They did a good job of balancing the car almost 50/50 front & back. Favorite features are a telescoping AND tilting steering wheel, self-sealing tires, the engine technology that gives it great MPG in the high 20's or even 30 HWY by switching off 4 cylinders when not needed (runs on 89 octane), and finally a very cool auto tranny with comfortable chromed shifter that has an autostick shifter that has a manual sequential shift mode. That is from one position just bump the lever less than a 1/4" to shift thru 3 gears manually. This is very, very fast if you like to shift manually.

Dislikes: style is boxy and fairly unimaginative IMO; the grill looks like it belongs on a Bentley. The tires are 225 60 series 18"; there is no way I could have a moonroof with this car as even with ther seat all the way down my head brushed the roof (I have 39" of sitting height.) The "greenhouse" is far smaller that I would like, and I could expect to pay about $36K base price. Other options would add more $.

Overall, I didn't get the measurements, but I know the car is less wide than a MM. They advertise you can seat 5 which is a breeze in the MM, but 3 people would be cramped in the 300 backseat IMO. The headroom is way less than the MM. The exhaust is not a true dual as in ours but they split it after it goes thru a single catalytic converter. It has nice gauges and a tach, but they don't have the cool classic retro look of the Marauder. MM tires have a wider aspect ratio, and just look cooler. MM is 15" longer, is taller and wider. MM weight about 200 lbs heavier. MM steering wheel design is nicer and more functional. And of course, the MM can be heavily modifed with spoiler, etc. etc., and with this 300 package WYSIWYG.

The one thing the salesman and their brochures said that really irritated me was that this Chrysler was "the first all-new American rear-drive family car from a North American manufacturer in more than 25 years!" I don't know how they can look at our cars and say that with a straight face.


The Marauder is also "close to" 50/50 front year balance. Pretty much as "close" as the 300c is.

The mpg return of the 300C, considering the displacement on demand, and comparing it to the basic Marauder, isn't so impressive.

From many of the reviews I've read, the autostick manual shifter, only works to a certain point. Pass the magic threshold and the computer takes over and shifts automatically anyway. Same with the feature to "shut off Traction control and stability control.
(As I understand, the 300C needs the stability control anyway, just to get reasonable functionality out of driving the car)

Yes, many have complained, even while waxing praises otherwise, about the small greenhouse, and poor visibility.

You do have to give DCX credit though, they know how to market this car!

[RCSignals]

Plus when I took the pic(he saw me) he gets right on his cellphone(Im busted)
Imagine the nerve of a guy in a Marauder taking a picture of a "secret" DCX project car that was driving the roads in broad daylight!

[chrish]

If the Hemi was not an option most people on this board would not give the car a second look.
This engine has hemisherical heds as the MM motor; it does not have over head cams thou??? Is this correct?

[RCSignals]

This engine has hemisherical heds as the MM motor; it does not have over head cams thou??? Is this correct?the new "Hemi" is more of a pent roof than a hemispherical configuration, and it does not have overhead cams

[chrish]

the new "Hemi" is more of a pent roof than a hemispherical configuration, and it does not have overhead cams
This motor is an advertising campain not a modern attempt at a pwer house motor!!!DODGE is a follower & has always been { except the Viper, that was just a copy of a Cobra, they even stole carol}





] S.}

[Merc-O-matic]

The 300C is about modern muscle....and
the Marauder harks of old muscle.........
I personally like the old!

Gotta Love it! :bandit:

[Svashtar]

Is that a brand new MM ? If not how many miles? The dealer says it is a brand new '03, but it has 312 miles on the odometer and has been there a while. He was motivated to get it off the lot. He was the third dealer I checked with and I had two more to visit, but stopped when I saw a pretty good deal in the making. He said the mileage is from the car being delivered to the dealership. (?) Normally I would make a fuss, but the car is immaculate. I checked every detail I could and it looks good, so I have no reason to doubt him. The MSRP (which we all know is BS) says $34,845. He originally quoted me $28K, then 26, then I got him to 25,500 by saying I really wanted a moonroof (which I did until I saw the car and realized it was perfect as is. I can always lose half the overhead console and put one in, but I doubt if I will do that now.) Final "deal" (I hope), because of the mileage was 10K exactly off the MSRP or 24,845, and I asked for the trunk organizer.

Point as to the 300A or B. I don't know. All I can tell you is that it has all the stuff you guys have described as being on a 300A: electric released fuel door, map pockets, dash clock, under hood light, and I can't remember what all, AND a defeatable traction control on the dash. Came with the audiophile system and 6 CD changer in the trunk, and as I said he's donating the trunk organizer. The spare LOOKS full sized, but I'll have to check because according to this config everyone says it should be a donut.

Please understand, by my starting this thread I was not advocating the 300C, I was just pointing out what I liked and disliked about it. From a style, investment, cost, and upgrade point of view, the MM wins hands down in my book! :D

Thanks,

Norm

[BillyGman]

That's a really great deal Norm. I think that guy sounds like a typical car salesman. Before io bought my Marauder I had looked at one that also had 300 miles on it, and they told me the exact same thing that it was purchased new from another dealer which was in another state and that it was driven a few hundred miles to their delaership. However, the one that i ebeded up buying had 24 miles on it, and was also purchased from a dealer in anothr state, but that dealer told me that they trnsport the cars on a truck, and that it only costs them $50 per car to do that. So in light of that info, I always thought that the dealer who had the one w/300 miles on it was feeding me lies about why the car had so many miles on it.


I'm in no way suggesting that you pass up that deal though. That's an excellent deal, however I believe that the deal you're getting has absolutley nothing to do w/that car having 300 miles on it, but rather that any dealer that has Mercury marauders on their lot has likely had them for a long time, and is therefore VERY motivated to sell them and will really bend on the price. these cars were never big sellers just like the Crown Vics and grand marquis never were. And that's why Ford includes the $3500 rebate. you'll never see rebates that big on cars that are selling good.

[chrish]

good deal But WHY...Why would any dealer hane a 2year old car??

[BillyGman]

good deal But WHY...Why would any dealer hane a 2year old car??Read my previous post. there are still some dealers that have a lot of these cars. They were never big sellers. There's a dealer in Wayne, NJ that has 16 Marauders on their lot!!!! If I had the funds to buy a second one, that's where I would go.

BTW, if you have traction control then I believe it's a 300B.

[chrish]

That's a really great deal Norm. I think that guy sounds like a typical car salesman. Before io bought my Marauder I had looked at one that also had 300 miles on it, and they told me the exact same thing that it was purchased new from another dealer which was in another state and that it was driven a few hundred miles to their delaership. However, the one that i ebeded up buying had 24 miles on it, and was also purchased from a dealer in anothr state, but that dealer told me that they trnsport the cars on a truck, and that it only costs them $50 per car to do that. So in light of that info, I always thought that the dealer who had the one w/300 miles on it was feeding me lies about why the car had so many miles on it.


I'm in no way suggesting that you pass up that deal though. That's an excellent deal, however I believe that the deal you're getting has absolutley nothing to do w/that car having 300 miles on it, but rather that any dealer that has Mercury marauders on their lot has likely had them for a long time, and is therefore VERY motivated to sell them and will really bend on the price. these cars were never big sellers just like the Crown Vics and grand marquis never were. And that's why Ford includes the $3500 rebate. you'll never see rebates that big on cars that are selling good.
the make over 800 cars a day at the GM & CV plant that is good sales I believe. In my zip code theye have a 5000 plus rebate.

[ADE 1000]

Bah...... just get S/Ced, and you'll fly right by those. Remeber, a 420 HP rating from the factory means 420 HP at the crankshaft. NOT at the wheels. That translates to approxamately 330-340 HP at the wheels. So w/a S/Ced Marauder, you would have 40-50 HP at the wheels more than that car will. :up:


Yeah, and your point is...? A 420hp stock rating is a better starting point than 302hp. What if you supercharged the Hemi?? :uzi:

[Last Mrk]

From the new Car & Driver

http://members.tccoa.com/lastmrk/Images/300c.jpg

Chrysler 300C
Exterior
Length: 196.8 in.
Width: 74.1 in.
Height: 58.4 in.
Wheel Base: 120 in.
Ground Clearance: 5.6 in.
Curb Weight: 4018 lbs.

Interior
Front Head Room: 38.7 in.
Front Hip Room: 57.1 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 59.4 in.
Rear Head Room: 38 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 57.7 in.
Rear Hip Room: 55.9 in.
Front Leg Room: 41.8 in.
Rear Leg Room: 40.2 in.
Luggage Capacity: 15.6 cu. ft.
Maximum Cargo Capacity: 16 cu. ft.
Maximum Seating: 5

Mercury Marauder
Exterior
Length: 212 in.
Width: 78.2 in.
Height: 58.9 in.
Wheel Base: 114.7 in.
Curb Weight: 4195 lbs.

Interior
Front Head Room: 39.3 in.
Front Hip Room: 57.1 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 60.8 in.
Rear Head Room: 37.9 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 60.3 in.
Rear Hip Room: 58.7 in.
Front Leg Room: 42.5 in.
Rear Leg Room: 39.6 in.
ggage Capacity: 20.6 cu. ft.
Maximum Cargo Capacity: 21 cu. ft.
Maximum Seating: 5


Taurus
Exterior
Length: 197.6 in.
Width: 73 in.
Height: 56.1 in.
Wheel Base: 108.5 in.
Curb Weight: 3306 lbs.

Interior
Front Head Room: 40 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 57.3 in.
Rear Head Room: 38.1 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 56.6 in.
Front Leg Room: 42.2 in.
Rear Leg Room: 38.9 in.
Luggage Capacity: 17 cu. ft.
Maximum Seating: 6

[RCSignals]

Yeah, and your point is...? A 420hp stock rating is a better starting point than 302hp. What if you supercharged the Hemi?? :uzi:
Leave Billy alone.....:burnout:

First of all, this 420 HP "Hemi" does not exist yet. It's nothing more than hype, like Fords upcoming 6.plus mod engine.

Second, if it's built like the current "Hemi", supercharged it'd likely explode.

Why did you buy a crappy Marauder?

[bigslim]

Leave Billy alone.....:burnout:

First of all, this 420 HP "Hemi" does not exist yet. It's nothing more than hype, like Fords upcoming 6.plus mod engine.

Second, if it's built like the current "Hemi", supercharged it'd likely explode.

Why did you buy a crappy Marauder?
The 6.1 liter 300C is fact. It will be out early next year as well as a high powered Dodge Charger.

[BillyGman]

Yeah, and your point is...? A 420hp stock rating is a better starting point than 302hp. What if you supercharged the Hemi?? :uzi:Show me where there's a S/Cer kit for a 300C. You think that you can just go out and buy a S/cer and throw it on your car? I don't mean to sound sarcastic. I'm being straight w/you. I've installed a S/cer myself on my own Marauder, and it's a big job even w/a well designed kit made specifically for your car. but if you don't have that, then you'll have to literally become your own engineer and fabricator. just ask "Effster' of this board about that.

So that's what my point was. As of now9and possible always) there isn't any S/cer kit for that car whereas there are atleast two great ones available for your Marauder. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear in my last post, but i assumed that you already knew that..

[RCSignals]

Show me where there's a S/Cer kit for a 300C. You think that you can just go out and buy a S/cer and throw it on your car? I don't mean to sound sarcastic. I'm being straight w/you. I've installed a S/cer myself on my own Marauder, and it's a big job even w/a well designed kit made specifically for your car. but if you don't have that, then you'll have to literally become your own engineer and fabricator. just ask "Effster' of this board about that.

So that's what my point was. As of now9and possible always) there isn't any S/cer kit for that car whereas there are atleast two great ones available for your Marauder. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear in my last post, but i assumed that you already knew that..True. I haven't heard or read anywhere yet of a S/C offered specific to the current 5.7 "Hemi". It's been out long enough......

There are two S/C kits available from vendors here for the MM, but I think there are actually more out there.

[BillyGman]

True. I haven't heard or read anywhere yet of a S/C offered specific to the current 5.7 "Hemi". It's been out long enough......

. and even if there was RC, that doesn't mean that the kits in question could be used for any vehicle that has the 5.7 Hemi engine under the hood. Look at the Kenne Belle S/cer kits for the 4.6L Mustangs. They cannot be used even for the Marauder. The Marauder has different accessory locations (such as the alternator) and has the intake port on the driver's side instead of on the passenger side like the 4.6 Mustangs do. And those are just the obvious differences. "Effster" (aka Jeff) installed one of those on his Marauder, and had a major hassle of a time doing so which I believe took him quite a long time to straighten out. And he's a professional mechanic who is co-owner of his own speedshop!!!!! I spoke w/him myself about that in a number of PM exhanges. (great guy BTW).

And I highly doubt that there will ever be a market for a S/Cer kit for a 300C car. I mean think about it....how many people who will buy a 300C do you really think will even know what a S/cer is let alone will be willing to pay thousands of dollars to purchase one??? :down: So don't count on there ever being any S/cer kits for a 300C. And that's what my previous point was before. I mean c'mon.....can you actually see there being as many hi-perf buffs like us meeting at any track to line up in the staging lanes of any dragstrip to race their 300C's?????? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :baaa: :baaa: :baaa:

[duhtroll]

I'll take that bet. Odds are for every one of "us" who bought our MMs for the reason that they were the baddest thing around, I bet there are three 300C drivers who think the same thing. They're incorrect, of course, but I'll wager there will be aftermarket performance stuff for the 300C, including a S/C.

-A

[RCSignals]

Andrew, I agree. I'm just surprised there isn't already.

[RCSignals]

From the new Car & Driver

http://members.tccoa.com/lastmrk/Images/300c.jpg


OK, those are just artists renderings. I wonder if an artist for DCX or Car and Driver?
The convertible and coupe look pretty good, but that Grille still kills the car!

Interesting Car and Driver now says the 300's profile is "brick-like"

[BillyGman]

HMMM, so you guys can actually see 300C's driving around that have headers, loud magnaflow mufflers, and the like, and 4.10 gears being installed in the rear and things like that? I can't see that........but hey, time will tell. Right?

[duhtroll]

Billy - I'll put it another way.

Do you see MMs being driven by people in their 80s at 20MPH once per month to church and the store, then home?

Sure, MOST won't --- but some will. :D I bet someone in the next year or so is going to run into a sleeper 300C or Magnum, and regret it. ;)

But that's just part of the fun.

-A

[RCSignals]

I can see it happening Billy. The question is how many 300C owners will be so inclined?
I have no idea how many 300Cs have been sold. I understand most selling are the 300 model.
They don't seem to be "flying" off the lots as some say. The local dealer I drive by often has the same five sitting on his lot for the past month.

[teamrope]

Hey Norm, I bought my 300A the end of November last year. The only reason I knew about the car was a show I saw on cable about it.

At first I had sticker shock, so I didn't dive in for several months. (The highest car payment I had ever had before was $275 a month.) I loved the Grand Marquise I had at the time, but she was pushing 150k on the clock.

At first Mrs Teamrope said she didn't see that much of a difference in power Between the Marauder and the Grand Marquise. We carpool to work together, and I usually catch a little cat nap on the way in. One morning she passes a car (thinking I'm asleep) and stayed in it for a second or two before she let off the throttle. I said now you can't tell me the GM hasd that much power...

She replied "OK, it didn't." After a while of driving the car, she fell in love with it too.

After Linda's 98 Mystaque started becoming cost "inefficient" She decided to get a marauder for herself. She wanted a Blue with moonroof, but by may there were none to be had on the west coast, so she got the 04 DTR.

Right now were are about even on the mods, all cosmeticly the same except mine has the full gods head badging and the Mack & Marty fender badges, hers is badgeless.

We are taking hers to Indy, so here's is gonna be the first to start the go fast goodies. Mine will not be far behind.

As for the 300C, I was wild about the concept when it first hit the car rags, but it seems like something was lost in the translation from concept to product. (Or maybe the new wore off...I don't know)

At least North American RWD v8's are alive and well.

[ADE 1000]

Leave Billy alone.....:burnout:

First of all, this 420 HP "Hemi" does not exist yet. It's nothing more than hype, like Fords upcoming 6.plus mod engine.

Second, if it's built like the current "Hemi", supercharged it'd likely explode.

Why did you buy a crappy Marauder?

Crappy Marauder ?? :confused: Hmm, thats an odd thing to say. :shake:

Hype? I don't think so. The 420hp Hemi will come out, as will the new Ford engines. :beatnik:

[ADE 1000]

Show me where there's a S/Cer kit for a 300C. You think that you can just go out and buy a S/cer and throw it on your car? I don't mean to sound sarcastic. I'm being straight w/you. I've installed a S/cer myself on my own Marauder, and it's a big job even w/a well designed kit made specifically for your car. but if you don't have that, then you'll have to literally become your own engineer and fabricator. just ask "Effster' of this board about that.

So that's what my point was. As of now9and possible always) there isn't any S/cer kit for that car whereas there are atleast two great ones available for your Marauder. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear in my last post, but i assumed that you already knew that..

Exactly. Thats why I'd rather have an adequate factory engine, then have to add a supercharger to one. I have a couple of engineering degrees and work for a major engine manufacturer. Trust me, I know what it takes to supercharge an engine.

The 6.1 liter Hemi will not need an SC kit to be fast, but I am sure there will be one. Remember, it just came out. The Marauder engine has been in existence for several years in a car with huge aftermarket support (the Mustang), hence the rapid availability of an SC kit.

Yes, I understand that a supercharged Marauder might be faster than the 420hp Hemi Chrysler. But there is no reason to belittle Chryslers effort, you have to appreciate the fact that they are making an affordable yet very powerful RWD sedan. I don't think I could bring myself to buy a Chrysler, but ideally I'd take 420hp from the factory over 500hp aftermarket anyday.

[RCSignals]

The Marauder engine has been in existence for several years in a car with huge aftermarket support (the Mustang), hence the rapid availability of an SC kit.


No, that's a nice thought, but isn't the reason for the rapid availabilty of a S/C kit for the Marauder.

Billy is right about the fit of a Mustang kit to a Marauder. Ask eff for details.

Check with DR and Trilogy on just how easy and rapid kits were.

If it wasn't for overwhealming Marauder owner enthusiasm in encouraging specific kits, people would be struggling to adapt Mustang items.

[RCSignals]

Hype? I don't think so. The 420hp Hemi will come out, as will the new Ford engines. :beatnik:
As long as it is "in development" and automotive media writer ramblings, they are hype.
When you can actually lay down money and drive away in them, that will change.
I agree, they will eventually come out. Lets hope they are not killed first by rising fuel prices and further Gov't regulation.

[423REED]

I am picking up my new '03 model Marauder this coming week. Can't wait! I literally saw my first Marauder (or the first I paid attention to) just three weeks ago. I stopped the guy, who also had a black '03, and asked him all about it. I called around and was quoted 33,800 on a nice '04, but then found an '03 that had been sitting in Seaside for over almost a year, and was able to bargain with the dealer a bit. Ended up getting it for 24,845 base, so was very happy.

From all the info you guys have given me, it's a 300A, but I guess it was made in Canada because it has every feature on it that can be had as far as I know. It didn't have a trunk organizer but the salesman is throwing it in to seal the deal.

My wife is not a big fan of the car, which since I love it is to be expected (long story, married 20 years? you know what I'm talkin' about.) Even though I have a deal with the Lincoln dealer, my wife insisted we go look at Chryslers. I almost bought an '04 300 limited at the end of last year, but it was just a bit too small for me.

Anyway, this new '05 model was very impressive. Road & Track says it will do 0-60 in 5.6 seconds with it's 5.7L engine which develops 340 HP and 390 ft lbs. (4000 RPM). The engine is a beautiful piece of engineering and so they designed the car around it.

Just some comparisons, likes and dislikes:

Like: 7/70 warranty on powertrain std, Hemi engine, privacy tinted windows, chrome side mirrors, Mercedes designed seats have excellent lateral support with is a MM weakness IMO, GPS/NAV option ($1600), deep back seat with more legroom, 196" OAL and 120" wheelbase, some amazing 380 watt stereo system. They did a good job of balancing the car almost 50/50 front & back. Favorite features are a telescoping AND tilting steering wheel, self-sealing tires, the engine technology that gives it great MPG in the high 20's or even 30 HWY by switching off 4 cylinders when not needed (runs on 89 octane), and finally a very cool auto tranny with comfortable chromed shifter that has an autostick shifter that has a manual sequential shift mode. That is from one position just bump the lever less than a 1/4" to shift thru 3 gears manually. This is very, very fast if you like to shift manually.

Dislikes: style is boxy and fairly unimaginative IMO; the grill looks like it belongs on a Bentley. The tires are 225 60 series 18"; there is no way I could have a moonroof with this car as even with ther seat all the way down my head brushed the roof (I have 39" of sitting height.) The "greenhouse" is far smaller that I would like, and I could expect to pay about $36K base price. Other options would add more $.

Overall, I didn't get the measurements, but I know the car is less wide than a MM. They advertise you can seat 5 which is a breeze in the MM, but 3 people would be cramped in the 300 backseat IMO. The headroom is way less than the MM. The exhaust is not a true dual as in ours but they split it after it goes thru a single catalytic converter. It has nice gauges and a tach, but they don't have the cool classic retro look of the Marauder. MM tires have a wider aspect ratio, and just look cooler. MM is 15" longer, is taller and wider. MM weight about 200 lbs heavier. MM steering wheel design is nicer and more functional. And of course, the MM can be heavily modifed with spoiler, etc. etc., and with this 300 package WYSIWYG.

The one thing the salesman and their brochures said that really irritated me was that this Chrysler was "the first all-new American rear-drive family car from a North American manufacturer in more than 25 years!" I don't know how they can look at our cars and say that with a straight face.

Anyway, that's just my input. Of course, the wife wanted the Chrysler, probably for the white leather seats, but any time I can get the kick-ass bad-looking car of my dreams AND save $12,000 I'm going to do it. She already has her car, and this is my first new vehicle in 12 years, so even if it puts me in the doghouse she doesn't get a vote this time!

Regards,

NormI'm probably showing my age, but I remember the huge mistake GMC made with their 4-6-8 variable cylinder output v8 engine in the eighties. I would be really nervous buying a new car with that, and how would it feel to drive it? I wouldn't mind a little better gas mileage in my '04 MM DTR. But owning a MM isn't about mileage either. The '03 and '04 MM's are just so fast and so cool. And the MM's have all the right performance parts installed from the factory, unlike many so-called performance that don't hold up to scrutiny in one area or another. I really believe the MM is the real deal! You wouldn't believe how many Impala SS owners that have commented very favorably about my new Marauder! I was really surprised how people who love performance really do understand the Marauder package.

[ADE 1000]

As long as it is "in development" and automotive media writer ramblings, they are hype.
When you can actually lay down money and drive away in them, that will change.
I agree, they will eventually come out. Lets hope they are not killed first by rising fuel prices and further Gov't regulation.


I don't agree with your comments on the above and I am not convinced of your argument in regards to superchargers. In either case we are both on different wavelengths and I don't care to :argue: the point any further.

[RCSignals]

I'm probably showing my age, but I remember the huge mistake GMC made with their 4-6-8 variable cylinder output v8 engine in the eighties. I would be really nervous buying a new car with that, and how would it feel to drive it? I wouldn't mind a little better gas mileage in my '04 MM DTR. But owning a MM isn't about mileage either. The '03 and '04 MM's are just so fast and so cool. And the MM's have all the right performance parts installed from the factory, unlike many so-called performance that don't hold up to scrutiny in one area or another. I really believe the MM is the real deal! You wouldn't believe how many Impala SS owners that have commented very favorably about my new Marauder! I was really surprised how people who love performance really do understand the Marauder package.
I understand what you are saying about the original GM 4-6-8 system.
These new systems used by GM and DCX are supposed to be much improved, and reportedly give a "seamless" feel switching.
I'm still not convinced of long term durability, relibility, or future maintenence issues though.
As I've said before, the reported fuel consumption of vehicles with the "displacement on demand" does not seem that improved, even compared to the base Marauder estimates. One has to wonder what the fuel efficiency would be without "displacement on demand". Is it really all worth it?

[BillyGman]

I agree. Why boast about the peak HP #'s if your car isn't even running on all 8 cylinders all the time because of your focus on gas economy? It's kind of an oxymoron. It's contradictory. Either the engine is geared more towards high performance or more towards economy. You can't have it both ways. If you try and come up w/something that would offer the best of both worlds, you really end up w/the worst of both worlds because your focus was too much on compromise. And I think that applies to the manufacture.

[427435]

I agree. Why boast about the peak HP #'s if your car isn't even running on all 8 cylinders all the time because of your focus on gas economy? It's kind of an oxymoron. It's contradictory. Either the engine is geared more towards high performance or more towards economy. You can't have it both ways. If you try and come up w/something that would offer the best of both worlds, you really end up w/the worst of both worlds because your focus was too much on compromise. And I think that applies to the manufacture.

In this day and age of computers and engineering advances, you can have some of both economy and fuel economy. I did drive a hemi powered Dodge Magnum before going ahead and buying my 2004 MM. The transisition from 4 to 6 to 8 cylinders was indeed seamless. There's also been a tremendous advance in engine controls, computers and hardware in the 20 years since GM tried this. The Chrysler approach is much different, also----I suspect we'll be seeing more engines with this feature.

I like my MM but the Chrysler and Dodge Hemi are going to sell well and they're good cars. The 5 speed auto is a big advantage (the 5 speed auto in my Ford Explorer is really great, also) and the independent rear suspension gives a better ride than our MM's.

Why did I go with the MM?? I'm not at all crazy about the looks of the DC cars and I sure didn't want to buy a first year car from a Chrysler plant (not that the MM's have set high quality standards). The interior wasn't nearly as nice or comfortable, either, in the Magnum

Personnally, I'm glad there is another choice of a well-powered, 4 door, rear wheel drive car out there. Some day, my MM is going to need to be replaced!!

[RCSignals]

Personnally, I'm glad there is another choice of a well-powered, 4 door, rear wheel drive car out there. Some day, my MM is going to need to be replaced!!
I agree. Ford had better wake up!

[BillyGman]

"427435", I for one appreciate you sharing your opinion since you're one of those who has actually driven the car while I'm one of those who hasn't. In response to your last post, I want to ask you if you did a WOT blast from a stand still off the line w/that car during your test drive. I'm wondering if this so called advanced technology that you're talking about that's supposed to be manufactured in these cars provided a hard Launch off the line just as a yesteryear car of similar weight would've which also has a 350 cubic inch engine and runs on 8 cylinders all the time.


Because If it didn't, then I think that this car does NOT provide the best of both worlds. I guess I'm just very skeptical.

[duhtroll]

I don't know if I can label it a "hard" launch, but I bet it beats my MM to 60 MPH. The accel is REALLY smooth, as I said before.

If they really are getting up to 30 MPG out of these things, then I have to agree they deserve the credit for both power and economy.

Now if they could just improve the looks and the handling. . ..

-A

[BillyGman]

I'm merely speculating here guys since I haven't driven the car like you have, but I would think that simply having an extra gear in the transmission than the Marauder does would give the car better pull from 0-60 MPH since the gear ratios in the trans will be closer together. And that coupled w/an engine that's delivering more HP as well as having 70 cubic inches more of displacement too, should yield a MUCH BETTER 0-60 MPH acceleration.


But if this 4-6-8 cylinder thing hinders the launch, then it would likely be merely slightly better than that of a stock Marauder. BTW, I'll also add that I'm not a big fan of having 50 million gears in the transmission of street cars like tractor trailer trucks do. I've heard of European car manufactures speaking of 7 speed automatics!! You'll be getting shifts every 30 feet w/them I'm sure. You might as well put 18 wheels on them IMO.

I just see things like this possibly becoming a bad trend. Limit the engine power w/designs like this 4-6-8 cylinder thing, and add an extra gear or two to the transmission to make up for that. Where does it end? Will we have 10 speed automatic transmissions in 5 years to make up for engines w/compromised performance for the sake of gas mileage? Not good from a raw performance standpoint nor from a driving pleasureability standpoint either.

[427435]

Yes, I did a couple of hard launches---on the same stretch of road that I did a couple with my MM, once I bought it. The Magnum launches hard and, with the traction control off and a little brake torque, will leave lots more rubber than my MM. I hand timed 0-60 with both cars (on that same stretch again) and the Magnum is perhaps a half second faster. The Magnum had about 80 miles on it and my car had 2000----so that could have been working against the Magnum a bit. I would like to do a 60 -110 against one some day (in a safe situation of course :nono: ).

I looked at a technical article on their 4-6-8 system and it should be quick and smooth----I could never tell anything was happening, anyway.

Trust me on the 5-speed auto----once you drive one (as I have my Explorer) you'll want one if one is available.

I now have 3000 miles on my MM and like it----only car I've ever owned (besides my vette) that I get compliments and thumbs up from strangers :cool: !! And the seats and interior are much nicer than the 300 or Magnum.

On the other hand, driving it 135 miles a day on an old 4-lane (non-freeway) highway, I wish the suspension didn't jolt so much on frost heaves and the like. The LSE ride (not the standard GM) would have been more preferable to me. The Magnum, with its IRS, felt smoother and more compliant than my MM.

Technology does march on---I still remember the 1961 Ford Galaxie 500 my dad bought when I was a senior in high school. It had a 352 cubic inch engine, weighed about the same as the MM, was a hell of lot slower, and only got 13-14 mpg on a trip. Compare that to the performance of "our" 289 cubic inch engine. And then of course there's the difference in braking systems.

My 2 cents anyway :beer:

[RCSignals]

427435 You mention the LSE, and yes, it should have a softer ride than the Marauder does. Ford cut it's production early in 2003. I wonder if it will return in the Grand Marquis line up now that the Marauder has ended production? (not that I'm going to buy one)

[Geo]

I think that if we are not careful, people will buy into this new excuse for a full-size car as Chrysler calls it and end up starting the new wave of smaller full-size cars.

The Marauder and Impala are by 70's standards mid-size cars. The last true full-size cars at GM were gone by 1976, the Chryslers by 1977-1978 and Fords by 1978-1979.

The first "compact" full-sizers were the 82-89 New Yorker Fifth Avenues from Chrysler and the 82-89 Gran Fury from Chrysler. Then came the 2000+ Caprices in the Middle East GTO (albeit not available here but the next generation ones will be) and that Caprice is based on the same platform as the GTO).

What we need to do is call this 300C not just a mid-size car but a compact. Just like the A-bodies (Darts/Valiants), M-Bodies (Diplomats/Gran Furys(Caravelle Salons in Canada)/New Yorker - FIFTH AVENUES), J-Bodies (Miradas, Cordobas, Imperials).

This 300C is smaller than the Nova based Cadillac Seville of the 70's.

Anyway, at least the Marauder is Generation II Full Size (mid size of the 70's). Let there not be a complete transitiion to Generation III Full Size, because if there is then the US carmakers will lilely come back in a few years and make something bigger but for 3 times the price and badge them Lincolns, Cadillacs and Imperials only.

GEO

[TripleTransAm]

I agree. Why boast about the peak HP #'s if your car isn't even running on all 8 cylinders all the time because of your focus on gas economy? It's kind of an oxymoron. It's contradictory.


I don't understand this statement. Peak #s are at maximum power demand, ie. foot to the floor. By the same token, engines equipped with staggered 4 barrel carbs would also be deceptive... 50% of the pedal travel, you're only operating on 2 barrels anyway. So why would this be different? Of course the engine output is going to be less than peak during part-throttle operation... the peak numbers have no bearing on how a motor performs during average driving conditions. The MM is proof of this... at moderate throttle openings, there is not as great a difference in torque production between low RPMS (circa 1500) and high RPMs, however at WOT one notices that the difference between the low RPM operation and the high RPM operation because the high RPM operation is so greatly increased whereas the low RPM range doesn't improve that much. We discussed this sometime in late spring '03 if I recall correctly.

So I don't understand why it would be deceptive to claim peak power numbers and provide a fuel-saving engine shutdown operation like this. You would be VERY surprised to know how little power is required to maintain a steady cruise at highway speeds as compared to peak power output. By shutting down half the engine at cruising speeds, you're "limiting" the engine in the same way as you are limiting the power of a 4.6l DOHC at the same speed using the throttle. Only, with the DOHC 4.6, you're limiting the power output but still having to feed 8 air pumps compressing and pumping away, while having them combust to keep smooth operation.

So by killing the feed to 2 or 4 cylinders depending on the demand placed on the engine, you not only save yourself having to feed all cylinders for so little power requirements, you also reduce the pumping losses by shutting down the intake of mixture into the dead cylinders. Yes, you still have to move that extra non-power-producing mass of 2 or 4 cylinders, but it's likely that the other cylinders won't have to work much harder to move the other pistons in the dead cylinders (and I say dead because I believe they produce little compression during their sleep phase, as opposed to a traditional engine with a dead ignition in that cylinder that still keeps pumping full compression).


The concept is technically sound. The internal combustion engine becomes less and less efficient as the throttle closes. By efficiency, it means that the amount of fuel used to produce a certain amount of power is greater at smaller throttle openings by ratio, as compared to the amount of fuel that would be required to produce a certain (albeit much greater) amount of power at WOT. This is due to the losses at the intake restriction... you're 'choking' the engine, kind of like saying you make a sprinter run slower by forcing him to breathe through a straw. This is one of the reasons why diesel engines are more efficient that gasoline engines (besides the high compression ratio and other details): the throttle is always wide open on a diesel.

I personally don't get a kick out of throwing gas money out the window operating cylinders that are inefficiently producing ~5% of their maximum power potential, and I don't understand why shutting them down would be such a bad thing.


Does anyone know if the Hemi cuts cylinders at idle or only while cruising? I'd assume only cruising, in order to not produce a rough tip-in response. Otherwise, I'd hope they managed to keep the idle fuel requirements realistic... if there's one thing I have against the MM's 4.6l DOHC (besides the less-than-stellar sub-2000 RPM WOT response), it's the damned fuel consumption at idle. I think only my '78 T/A beats it, and I think my 305 TPI GTA equals it. My '98 blows it away in idle consumption, it's currently my fuel mileage king... you could run it all day at idle without noticing the gage move. I don't understand how a small V8 like the 4.6 needs to drink so much at idle.


I agree that the final published MPG figures are not astronomically better than the MM considering the technology involved. But at the end of the day: they managed to produce 340 (I think) factory horsepower with good meaty torque from a decent sized engine providing great performance numbers for a sedan, without resorting to comical transmission-shift and TCC programming and some PCM calibration revisions that had our cars barely able to move during cold operation!

[BillyGman]

What happens when you start having a delay from the transision from that 4 cylinder coasting mode to 8 cylinder WOT mode? Or when your car isn't launching like it used to, and you're wondering if it's launching on 6 cylinders? Just something else to go wrong, and perhaps yet another thing that techs at your dealer cannot figure out, or simply deny that it's a problem in the first place.What if your problem happens to be the latter? What are you gonna do? Take it to your dealer, and expect that the tech or the service manager is going to listen or take it seriously when you complain of poor 60' times? Ot are you gonna take them for a ride, and hit WOT from a dead punch and expect them to be understanding when you tell them that the car used to launch a lot better? I'll pass thankyou.

There are some members on here who've had a tough time simply getting cooperation from their dealer who deny that there's even a problem w/the A/C belt chirping.


If I want a vehicle w/a decent sized V8 engine, I'm not concerned about getting gas mileage in the 30+MPG range all that much.Atleast not enough to want or expect all that extra electronics high tech stuff in the system. If I am, then I'll simply get an economy car.I'm also sure that having a system like that in your car (the 4-6-8 cylinder garbage I mean) will get in the way when and if you want to modify it, and might even make it impossible to do so. Just my viewpoint.

[TripleTransAm]

What happens when you start having a delay from the transision from that 4 cylinder coasting mode to 8 cylinder WOT mode? Or when your car isn't launching like it used to, and you're wondering if it's launching on 6 cylinders?


Probably no worse a situation than having to deal with a basic frame layout that's been on the market since the early 90s and the factory STILL not figuring out how to shoehorn in a DOHC version of the usual engine without getting into harness-slicing issues or misadjusted shift linkages (yep, go figure... for the first time in the year of owning this car, I got the dreaded neutral-revving in Reverse situation some 2 weeks ago, hasn't happened since). I suppose it will all come down to proper assembly line techniques and quality control, coupled with proper training of dealer technicians. From what I gather, there are dealer technicians that are skilled enough to optimize a Marauder's PCM tune... how cool is that? And there are others who can't be trusted to rotate the tires properly (yep, happened to me too...).

So shall it have to be if Chrysler intends to make this engine management method mainstream.





I'll pass thankyou.

That's fine, and it's your right to do so. But there were plenty of people moaning about the advent of electronic fuel injection back in the early 80s ("oh my God it's the end of hot rodding as we know it...") and then subsequently when the more stringent OBD-II showed up in the mid 90s ("Oh my God it's the end of hot rodding as we know it..."). Look where we're at. A 4500 lb sedan with the levels of power you're putting out would have guzzled along at a rate of 4-5 mpg, while being driven conservatively!

Maybe in 5-10 years, we might have a 4500 lb sedan with your power levels straight from the factory, and with 25 MPG. Maybe we might not. But it certainly won't be accomplished without some very ingenious electronic help.

Think of how far we've come, that you can pull a low 12 second 1/4 mile time in a 4500 lb sedan without tripping up the OBD-II computer. I think we've come a long way, and there are potentially greater things to come.


I like old tech... I am really looking forward to going to resuscitate my '78 to bring it to its new home... something about a 10 MPG smog motor with a disco dash and flaming poultry on the hood. But at the same time, it's nice to be able to take my 345-350 SAE crank hp LS1 to work and enjoy ~30 MPG fuel mileage. I'd like to be around by the time they manage 450+ hp in a new North American car while maintaining that MPG.

[magnum]

First of all guys lemme just say I like the Marauder. BUT I love my Magnum!!!! So let me put some stuff to rest here.

The Magnum rides better.
The Magnum is faster...quicker...and handles better.

Let us remember, it has a 2.82 rear end. Imagine what 3.55's or so would do!

Even though it has crappy gearing for an off the line performance car, i is not shabby. At 90 or so it cruises at less than 3000 rpm's. So it does have it's purpose.

The MDS only kicks on at cruise speeds and you cannot tell. I have had all kinds of cars and it is by far the most fun to drive to date.

There is a S/C for the Hemi, just in the trucks. Not expected for the cars for a little while but remember, they just came out.

So anyway, for those of you that wish to bash kiss my a$s and those of you that enjoy driving, even if it is in a little bit sleeker package....drive a Magnum.

Andy

[RCSignals]

First of all guys lemme just say I like the Marauder. BUT I love my Magnum!!!! So let me put some stuff to rest here.

The Magnum rides better.
The Magnum is faster...quicker...and handles better.

Let us remember, it has a 2.82 rear end. Imagine what 3.55's or so would do!

Even though it has crappy gearing for an off the line performance car, i is not shabby. At 90 or so it cruises at less than 3000 rpm's. So it does have it's purpose.

The MDS only kicks on at cruise speeds and you cannot tell. I have had all kinds of cars and it is by far the most fun to drive to date.

There is a S/C for the Hemi, just in the trucks. Not expected for the cars for a little while but remember, they just came out.

So anyway, for those of you that wish to bash kiss my a$s and those of you that enjoy driving, even if it is in a little bit sleeker package....drive a Magnum.

Andyglad you like your Station Wagon.

Your Magnum doesn't come with 3.55's for the same reason the Marauder didn't come with 4.11's.

Yes, the Marauder is in a little bit sleeker package

This is a Marauder site, We'll talk about other vehicles any way we like.......

[BillyGman]

You're entitled to your opinion, but my opinion is that calling the Marauder a "sleeker" car is an understatement since it's waaaaaay better looking than the Magnum is. That's why I wouldn't bother w/a test drive even if it is faster than a stock Marauder is. It's just ugly, and that would stop me from ever buying it even if the thing has 700 HP under the hood.

[magnum]

This is hilarious.....you guys have actually convinced yourselves that the Marauder is the best thing ever! You guys sound like my dad when he refers to his '60 Impala he had....."that thing was soooo fast....it ran a 14 flat!" woohoo. Although maybe I should give you guys the benefit of the doubt, most people I see driving Crown Vics or Gran Marquis' anre in his age group. :rolleyes:

SO why don't we all just get along. I almost bought a MM. But they were too slow, and still felt like a boat. I am glad Ford made an attempt to step into a segment it had nothing, just failed.

Maybe we should have a MM...Magnum/300 get together.:beer:

Or Maybe not. I would hate to see a bunch of older grown men break down........:cry:

Andy

[woaface]

This is hilarious.....you guys have actually convinced yourselves that the Marauder is the best thing ever! You guys sound like my dad when he refers to his '60 Impala he had....."that thing was soooo fast....it ran a 14 flat!" woohoo. Although maybe I should give you guys the benefit of the doubt, most people I see driving Crown Vics or Gran Marquis' anre in his age group. :rolleyes:

SO why don't we all just get along. I almost bought a MM. But they were too slow, and still felt like a boat. I am glad Ford made an attempt to step into a segment it had nothing, just failed.

Maybe we should have a MM...Magnum/300 get together.:beer:

Or Maybe not. I would hate to see a bunch of older grown men break down........:cry:

Andy
WTF? Some guys here are runnin' in the 11s. I'm ready for you to at least accept that it's an American car. Guys like you who can't support the fact that it's at least the profits go to Detriot, need to get a life. We love what we love and you should respect that.

[woaface]

They're both good cars and it'll whoop some jap crap bootay...is all I'm tryin' to say

[Marauderman]

Bah...... just get S/Ced, and you'll fly right by those. Remeber, a 420 HP rating from the factory means 420 HP at the crankshaft. NOT at the wheels. That translates to approxamately 330-340 HP at the wheels. So w/a S/Ced Marauder, you would have 40-50 HP at the wheels more than that car will. :up:

Five0, "cow catcher" LOL, that's a good one!! The back of that thang is so boxy it looks like a big black brick on wheels. Not exactly what I call "stylish". Now a Marauder, that's what I call "style". :)
.huh..don't you mean about 100 more at the wheel BillyG!.........Tom

[lano300C]

I can not believe that you all really believe that the marauder is anywhere near the level that the new 300C is on. It's just a Crown VIC, a police car, taxicab. I think comparing the maraudeor to a Buick leSabre or Park Ave. or maybe even a Lincoln Towncar, but not a 300 or Magnum, and damn sure not a 300C or R/T. Lets get real guys and girls. I am laughing my ass off reading this post. What are you all thinking.:down: :bigcry:

Just check out this link TOP TEN ALREADY> DAMN:mad2:

http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=2878&src=Home&pos=EditLead


Thanks for the Welcome to the forums but no thanks.

P.S. No need to ban me because I will not be posting here again. :beer:

[TripleTransAm]

Arguments about cars (especially when it comes to appearance) are akin to trying to convince another guy that your wife is prettier than his...

[duhtroll]

All I have to say is . . .

Marauder 3
Magnum 0
300C 0

If they are so fast why do I beat them all the time? :D I also have less invested in my ride than almost every STOCK DBC owner out there.

Enjoy your plastic dashboard and going around curves at 10 mph.

-A

[Haggis]

WTF? Some guys here are runnin' in the 11s. I'm ready for you to at least accept that it's an American car. Guys like you who can't support the fact that it's at least the profits go to Detriot, need to get a life. We love what we love and you should respect that.

...and

They're both good cars and it'll whoop some jap crap bootay...is all I'm tryin' to say

James remember "Don't Feed the Trolls".

[Logan]

Click.

Troll = 0, Logan = 1


I can not believe that you all really believe that the marauder is anywhere near the level that the new 300C is on. It's just a Crown VIC, a police car, taxicab. I think comparing the maraudeor to a Buick leSabre or Park Ave. or maybe even a Lincoln Towncar, but not a 300 or Magnum, and damn sure not a 300C or R/T. Lets get real guys and girls. I am laughing my ass off reading this post. What are you all thinking.:down: :bigcry:

Just check out this link TOP TEN ALREADY> DAMN:mad2:

http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=2878&src=Home&pos=EditLead


Thanks for the Welcome to the forums but no thanks.

P.S. No need to ban me because I will not be posting here again. :beer:

[pvoman]

I saw this yesterday on I-696.it has a manufactor plate and a deeper growl and those black rims.Just another Dodge to me. http://home.comcast.net/~hack_goby/DSCN0511.JPG

Good picture.

However, this Dodge has more power than the old 426 HEMI.:banana:

[TripleTransAm]

Not more power, but probably better driveablity. Even in detuned form (of the early 70s) and in SAE net ratings, the old one still came out on top. Is the new one underrated and has anyone dyno'ed one yet? Performance might be similar in showroom trim, but the old one still rules as far as upgradeability (at least for now).

[pvoman]

Leave Billy alone.....:burnout:

First of all, this 420 HP "Hemi" does not exist yet. It's nothing more than hype, like Fords upcoming 6.plus mod engine.

Second, if it's built like the current "Hemi", supercharged it'd likely explode.

Why did you buy a crappy Marauder?No offense, it does exist and you will see it soon enough. Though, the HP rating is low.

Regarding to supercharger, I see you lack any real knowledge.

I guess you haven't see the Performance West Rumble Bee truck. It produced over 517-rwHp. Yes! That was at the rear wheels. It had the same Blowzilla Kit 2200 as shown on the 'L' concept.

The difference? The L Concept was producing over 20-PSI while the Hemi was only 8-PSI. So, who will go bang first? Hmm...

[pvoman]

Not more power, but probably better driveablity. Even in detuned form (of the early 70s) and in SAE net ratings, the old one still came out on top. Is the new one underrated and has anyone dyno'ed one yet? Performance might be similar in showroom trim, but the old one still rules as far as upgradeability (at least for now).Correct...the old ones usually dynoed over 475 to 500-HP.

Yes, it will have more torque and horsepower. This engine will be produced for the HD truck line and SRT cars. Maybe a luxury car coming soon above the 300-C. :coolman:

[Logan]

Personally, I like the 300C. It'd make a nice daily driver. Black on Black with a Hemi, I could drive that, that is as soon as the ridiculous gear ratio was replaced.

[merc406]

I likes the C in white or silver, but now that the HotRod wagon is out so is the C... :rasta: :D :rock:

[RCSignals]

No offense, it does exist and you will see it soon enough. Though, the HP rating is low.

Regarding to supercharger, I see you lack any real knowledge.

I guess you haven't see the Performance West Rumble Bee truck. It produced over 517-rwHp. Yes! That was at the rear wheels. It had the same Blowzilla Kit 2200 as shown on the 'L' concept.

The difference? The L Concept was producing over 20-PSI while the Hemi was only 8-PSI. So, who will go bang first? Hmm...
sure, the engine may exist in pre-production form. It does not exost in any commercial form, and that is what I refer to. Read.

Lack any real knowledge? Try again.

My post refers to the stock engine and it's internals.

I said before that there will eventually be S/C kits available for "HEMI" in 300Cs. Aftermarket action on new engines is good for all of us.

[RCSignals]

This is hilarious.....you guys have actually convinced yourselves that the Marauder is the best thing ever!
Try spending some time reading all the posts here on the board before you come to such ignorant conclusions. Take your time, there are a few years worth.

[magnum]

Why is everyone so touchy......:shake:

[Logan]

Bah, I'm done with this thread. 300C Trolls, be gone.