merc maruader vs. police interceptor

[scottycopcar]

anybody know the specific differences in the p71 4.6 with 250 hp vs. the merc maruader 4.6 with 302 hp?

[scottycopcar]

marauder rather(sue me)
anybody know the specific differences in the p71 4.6 with 250 hp vs. the merc maruader 4.6 with 302 hp?

[FiveO]

SOHC vs. DOHC

[SouLRioT]

SOHC vs. DOHC

Thats the thing that gives the hp differance, there are others, mainly visual though.

[Logan]

Other than that it's a 100% completely different drivetrain?

[RoyLPita]

Welcome aboard.
You can get a 3.55 Posi on the 1999-2001 and 2004-2005 CVPI. The 2004-2005 CVPI also has the MM airbox.
One major point here: You can buy a MM new. Ford forbids the public from buying a new CVPI.

Just my .02 and then some.

BTW, you CAN edit your spelling errors w/o reposting.

[TexasCop]

i think the p71 is only a single overhead cam as well.




anybody know the specific differences in the p71 4.6 with 250 hp vs. the merc maruader 4.6 with 302 hp?

[chrish]

i think the p71 is only a single overhead cam as well.aA
Aluminum VS. cast iron. Like Logan said two different animals.... :fishslap: Let me be the first

[SouLRioT]

I was thinking, using my SAT analogies, a CV is to a V6 Mustang, as a CV PI is to a V8 Mustang, as a Marauder is to a Mustang Cobra. They all kindof look the same but all are different cars. Hope I didnt confuse you or anyone else.

[scottycopcar]

i bought an almost new( 4 miles on the odometer) '04 CVPI off a guy on ebay.
Welcome aboard.
You can get a 3.55 Posi on the 1999-2001 and 2004-2005 CVPI. The 2004-2005 CVPI also has the MM airbox.
One major point here: You can buy a MM new. Ford forbids the public from buying a new CVPI.

Just my .02 and then some.

BTW, you CAN edit your spelling errors w/o reposting.

[Joe Walsh]

Welcome aboard.
You can get a 3.55 Posi on the 1999-2001 and 2004-2005 CVPI. The 2004-2005 CVPI also has the MM airbox.
One major point here: You can buy a MM new. Ford forbids the public from buying a new CVPI.
Just my .02 and then some.

BTW, you CAN edit your spelling errors w/o reposting.
Somehow a friend of mine bought a Brand New CVPI at an auction because it had incurred some hail damage and the local Police Dept. would not accept delivery. The damage was not that bad and he took it to 'Dent Doctor' for an almost perfect fix. Its even better at SLOWING DOWN speeders than a MM. You should see the line of cars stacked up behind him when he drives 55 mph for @ 10 miles down the road!!

[jakdad]

My guess is that is the same 239 HP engine thats in the CV, GM, and some town cars. The vehicles with the handling package got the 239 engine. For 11 more HP, you just run the dyno up another 200 to 400 rpm and like magic, there it is. The PI really doesn't have anything much over the Handling Package. IMO.

[jgc61sr2002]

My guess is that is the same 239 HP engine thats in the CV, GM, and some town cars. The vehicles with the handling package got the 239 engine. For 11 more HP, you just run the dyno up another 200 to 400 rpm and like magic, there it is. The PI really doesn't have anything much over the Handling Package. IMO.

The extra horse power comes from the dual exhausts.

[FiveO]

i think the p71 is only a single overhead cam as well.


Welcome TexasCop!

Get that MM yet? :)

Keep us updated.

BTW: Welcome to the party! :party:

[jakdad]

The extra horse power comes from the dual exhausts.
I'm not sure that particular dual system would give 11 HP. I do believe they massage the numbers as needed.
:twocents:

[RCSignals]

My guess is that is the same 239 HP engine thats in the CV, GM, and some town cars. The vehicles with the handling package got the 239 engine. For 11 more HP, you just run the dyno up another 200 to 400 rpm and like magic, there it is. The PI really doesn't have anything much over the Handling Package. IMO.

It's more than just running up the Dyno. Max HP is Max HP.

The airbox is changed (but not quite the same as the MM airbox) as is some of the rest of the intake. Tuning was changed as well.
I understand there are a few other changes to get that extra HP. Hopefully someone else can elaborate.

[RCSignals]

anybody know the specific differences in the p71 4.6 with 250 hp vs. the merc maruader 4.6 with 302 hp?

Are you wanting just drivetrain differences?

The overall differences are many

[jakdad]

Point being that the factory doesn't have to do a lot to generate 11 HP. Remember, they're working with an engine room dyno. No vehicle involved. I haven't seen Ford print anywhere that 224,239 or 250 is a max HP number.
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[EbonyMarauder03]

A couple of years ago there was an article in Popular Mechanics pitting the CVPI against a CV LX (non Sport). In most categories the LX beat the PI. I think it was the cover pic also. :dunno:

The sad thing is how loaded a PI trunk is and how it must affect the car. Ford should make PI mean something again. It used to be an Inteceptor was something to fear. :rock: :awe: :bows:

[gdmjoe]

Are you wanting just drivetrain differences?

The overall differences are many
As are the similarities ( except for the engine ).

[jspradii]

anybody know the specific differences in the p71 4.6 with 250 hp vs. the merc maruader 4.6 with 302 hp?
About 300 feet in the 1/4 mile.....:party:

[gdmjoe]

About 300 feet in the 1/4 mile.....
Not from some of the stock Marauder trap times I've seen posted here.

[chrish]

Not from some of the stock Marauder trap times I've seen posted here.
Please elaborate
Where does that fish slap keep going???????? :dunno:

[Dan]

Aside from what has been mentioned here there is also the interior to consider. I would have bought a PI new if I could have gotten one with leather. I don't mean to cause controversy but there are sources for a new PI if one knows where to look.

There are also some "deletes" in the PI that make a difference. There are also a wiring harness or two in the PI that aren't in the MM. Then there is the trunk release location, the dome light overide, etc, etc.

Best,

Dan

[gdmjoe]

Please elaborate
Where does that fish slap keep going????????
Reference (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/timeslips.php?).

BTW - No dis' intended.

Was able to turn 15.9 with my (then) stock LX Sport with a full tank, loaded trunk, and my lard a$$. :D
*Though doesn't take into consideration track condition variations.

And Yes the P71 is lighter and has a 3.55 LSD ( as opposed the LX Sport 3.27 open ).

Regarding fish slap ... it's right here :fishslap: :lol:

[SergntMac]

Keyboard racers have specs too...Resume play.

[THE_INTERCEPTOR]

A Marauder is an upscale Vic in many ways. Same body, same platform, same interior for the most part.

However, the Marauder comes with a much stronger engine, much nicer stock wheels, compared to the CVPI's 16" steelies (yucky), and those sweet Marauder tips. (So sweet, that I bought myself a pair and slapped 'em on my vic :) ) If you take a Black Vic and add some MM exhaust tips, wouldn't they look about the same?? As there are several CVLX Sports that I've seen turned in to MM clones.

Don't get me wrong fellas, as I'm not trying to say down the Marauder at all, but save the engine, these vehicles have A LOT in common.. MM vs CVPI, the MM is a much better overall vehicle as far as quality and performance. CVPI's aren't built to be nice looking, they're built to take a beating, and get dirty in the process (vomit comet :) )

Think of the Marauder as a Crown Vic on steroids wearing a silk shirt. :)

[Badger]

The MM is a refined and toned CV LX Sport. The PI is a pickup truck.

[gpfarrell]

Wow, what a hornet's nest!

The CVPI should have a bit more low end.

Come to think of it, an overloaded baby stroller should have more low end than a MM.

The MM has lots more high end power.

I like the MM's interior... but I don't think it would take a genius to bolt the MM seats into a CV... do the PI's have a floor shifter? No biggie, you could put something else there instead.

The wheels give the cars two completely different attitudes. Pick the one you like.

The MMs chrome tips are cool. They might take 5 minutes to put on... 6-7 if you can't find the bottle opener to enjoy your favorite mechanic's beverage.

The MM has the compass & climate control & steering wheel buttons & maybe heated seats & fog lights.

Puke will hose off most PI seats.

4 mile car off of E-bay? Bet you got a deal. Enjoy your deal, cherry-pick any MM goodies you want, and if all else fails see if Saleen's whipple charger will fit your car.

You'll cruise through speed traps with just a wave even better than we will.

25 years from now, they'll both look cool at a car show.

G

[Amsoil_Dealer]

I happened to walk around a Ford/Lincoln/Mercury dealer in St. Augustine a few months ago who had essentially all versions of the Panther platform (CVPI, base CV, LX Sport, and Marauder (TR) ) in close proximity on the lot. The trim differences really surprised me. The CVPI is truly a utilitarian vehicle. Interior, dash, door panels, even door handles and exterior mirrors are downright spartan. Sure it may have few goodies like the oil cooler, HD alternator, HD radiator, 3.55, slightly different exhaust but imo the LX is a far more sophisticated car. I think I can bolt on a 3:55, reflash the chip, do Dennis' exhaust mods and Marauder tips a whole lot easier than adding trim to CVPI. Of course that is my opinion. Many like the stealthy look and feel of the CVPI and that is fine with me.

Is there really any HP difference between a HPP, Sport, and CVPI any more? Roylpita, you probably know the answer to that one.

Don

[gdmjoe]

Is there really any HP difference between a HPP, Sport, and CVPI any more?
For the late models, only the 2004 P71 - 250HP ( versus 239HP for the HPP / Sport ). *Due to the Marauder-style airbox and MAF.

http://www.crownvic.net/liquid/power_chart.jpg

[RCSignals]

A couple of years ago there was an article in Popular Mechanics pitting the CVPI against a CV LX (non Sport). In most categories the LX beat the PI. I think it was the cover pic also. :dunno:

The sad thing is how loaded a PI trunk is and how it must affect the car. Ford should make PI mean something again. It used to be an Inteceptor was something to fear. :rock: :awe: :bows:


That article was an April fools joke

[RCSignals]

As are the similarities ( except for the engine ).

except the engine? No, much more than just that.
This is an old discussion around here. Many LXSport buyers still think they have the same thing as a Marauder, except the engine.

The two share basic body panels, frame, rear axle, and a few other primary automobile parts.

The Marauder is almost a completely different beast, even such things as Power-steering rack are different.

At the MSRP of the Marauder, just around 34K, and the CVLXSport, just around 33K, the Marauder is by far a steal.

Consider that people can buy a new Marauder for between 24K and 27K, and people are paying more for Crown Victorias and Grand Marquis, including CVPIs, the Marauder is just about the deal of the century.

The CVPI is spartan, however given a choice between it and a regular CV, possibly even a Sport, a CVPI equipped with trac-loc, 3.55 gears, full carpet and cloth interior, cruise, silicone hoses, side airbags, (possibly traction control and adjustable pedals) the CVPI would be it.

[gdmjoe]

except the engine? No, much more than just that.
This is an old discussion around here. Many LXSport buyers still think they have the same thing as a Marauder, except the engine.

The two share basic body panels, frame, rear axle, and a few other primary automobile parts.

The Marauder is almost a completely different beast, even such things as Power-steering rack are different.

At the MSRP of the Marauder, just around 34K, and the CVLXSport, just around 33K, the Marauder is by far a steal.

Consider that people can buy a new Marauder for between 24K and 27K, and people are paying more for Crown Victorias and Grand Marquis, including CVPIs, the Marauder is just about the deal of the century.

The CVPI is spartan, however given a choice between it and a regular CV, possibly even a Sport, a CVPI equipped with trac-loc, 3.55 gears, full carpet and cloth interior, cruise, silicone hoses, side airbags, (possibly traction control and adjustable pedals) the CVPI would be it.
The except for the engine retort related to the topic - drive-train.

Once again ... no dis' -and- I do understand the nuiance of differences, however, the platform does share a lot of components ( and are interchangeable - which usually means an upgrade for the CV ).

Regarding MSRP ... Not sure where you got the LX Sport $ amount, but I'm looking at my sticker and it says $28,695 and the only options that it doesn't have is the engine block heater and the sun roof. *And "Yes" I got it for a heck of lot less than that WITH a 6 year 100,000 ESP.

No bout adout it though ... the Marauder Close-Outs are a bargain.

BTW ... Rack and pinion part #s

3W1Z-3504-FARM (https://fordparts.com/cart/?pn=3W1Z-3504-FARM) - Crown Victoria
3W1Z-3504-GARM (https://fordparts.com/cart/?pn=3W1Z-3504-GARM) - Marauder

Can't we all just get along ? After all we share the same roots. :D

[RCSignals]

Regarding MSRP ... Not sure where you got the LX Sport $ amount, but I'm looking at my sticker and it says $28,695 and the only options that it doesn't have is the engine block heater and the sun roof. *And "Yes" I got it for a heck of lot less than that WITH a 6 year 100,000 ESP.




From Ford. Yours at around 29K must be extremely early, or a dealer reprint .

[gdmjoe]

From Ford. Yours at around 29K must be extremely early, or a dealer reprint .
Don't know what extremely early means, but it has a Nov'2002 build date and was purchased Dec'2003. *It wasn't an beginning/end-of-the-model-year ( or any other ) special.

And the sticker is not a dealer reprint; watched 'em unload the car from the hauler and the prep' guys remove the sticker ( which was handed to me ). <shrug>