See what the Corvette guys say about us

[merc]

I really enjoyed this link. Some pros and some cons. What do you think ?

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=832888&highlight=marauder

and look at what the Honda boys are saying also.

http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54596&highlight=marauder

[BruteForce]

[[ Yawn ]]

[GarageMahal]

Several folks seem a bit Chevy biased but hey, its a Chevy board. At least the MM has merited discussion over there :P

The Accord comparisons still kill me. Too many people believe what they read without question.

:twocents:
jta

[marauder307]

What a buncha dumbnuts...hey Vettes, steel's for real, plastic is for kid's toys! :tongue: Stock MM against a Vette? Outcome depends on the size of the owner's cajones , most Vette people are too durn worried about the trophy wife in the passenger seat to actually race.

Encountered some kids in a early 90's Vette some months ago; the lil' twits made the mistake of making the Black Hulk angry...Hulk smash! :toss: Guess some folks will never learn.

[Bluerauder]

I really enjoyed this link. Some pros and some cons. What do you think ?
I'd like to know where the Impala SS guy finds all these Marauders to race. Heck, I have only seen 3 others on the road in nearly a year (outside of MM events). Another member of that board said that L/M only sold 1,200 Marauders. I guess accuracy ain't required.

The 8.23 in the 1/4 mile was impressive. No answer was given; but it looked like whatever lined up in the left lane against the Marauder was ProStock.

[Dr Caleb]

They are welcome to their opinions. I love my car.

I still remember an old member - Mensera - relating the story of how his KB #1X (now Sarge's) easily took a C5 Vette.

[Fourth Horseman]

Everybody always points to the magazine published numbers. 0 to 60 in 7.5 seconds? Don't most un-modded Marauders with an engine that is broken in run under 7 seconds? 6.5 - 6.9?

[RCSignals]

honda-acura.net? Is that another Logan board?? :lol:

They crack me up. All such 'expert'


Mercury messed up from the beginning by only mildly revising the V-8 found in the Crown Victoria...increasing valves to 32 was a good first step, but then they basically quit.

It was too slow. 0-60mph in 7.5 seconds is not the return of the muscle car. A pedestrian 4-cylinder 5-speed Accord LX Sedan is just as quick, and a V-6 Accord would eat a Marauder for lunch, automatic or manual.

As Car & Driver said, that would be like wrestling with your little sister, and losing.

And the ex-Impala SS guy who "sat in one at a car show" and from that determines the Marauder was "weaksauce" I guess he forgot what sitting in an Impala was like :)

[RCSignals]

and this:

I remember reading a comparison of the Merauder vs. the 96 SS. The SS walked all over it in almost every field in which they compared the two. Dispite much less horsepower, it was faster. It handled better, rode better, and had more interior space. :)

I wonder what Universe he was on when he read that?

[MarauderMark]

Well i have'nt found an impala ss to beat me yet (saw 2 and beat them both)nor ANY kind of honda either.Which reminds me the other night when cruising threw town this rice burner pulls up next to me and 2 kids are looking at me and they say to me nice car sounds nice.and i asked them do those things really run on rice and fish heads and they took off and just chirped :hotrice: Soooo who's Next!?

[Bluerauder]

... and i asked them do those things really run on rice and fish heads and they took off and just chirped ....
Your certificate for tact and diplomacy is in the mail. :grad:
:rofl:

[NAVCHAP]

Amazing to see my car in the Corvette Forum! Pre-"stripe kit" days. Dennis did a super job, everybody in San Diego that sees it loves it. -kjs-

[Fourth Horseman]

Amazing to see my car in the Corvette Forum! Pre-"stripe kit" days. Dennis did a super job, everybody in San Diego that sees it loves it. -kjs-

I thought that looked like yours. :rock:

[DavidB]

The comment that the Impala's interior was better is a howler. The SS had a notoriously low-quality interior which has not aged well.

I considered buying an SS when they were new in 1996 (knowing it was the last year), and rejected it solely for its poor fit and finish. It definitely didn't feel like a $25,000 car.

The Marauder has its faults too, but the interior isn't one of them.

TTYL
David

[Silver_04]

Oh, those silly Corvette owners. I went over there and tried to straighten things out.

[marauder307]

and this:

Quote:
I remember reading a comparison of the Merauder vs. the 96 SS. The SS walked all over it in almost every field in which they compared the two. Dispite much less horsepower, it was faster. It handled better, rode better, and had more interior space.

I wonder what Universe he was on when he read that?


To say nothing of the fact that he can't spell worth a ****. I guess one of the qualifiers for Corvette/Honduh/Ack-ura ownership is to be missing the intelligent part of your brain. :razz: :loco:

[Silver_04]

Uh, so I guess I'm semi-intelligent?

[SergntMac]

Thanks, Merc, an interesting read.

I especially liked the conclusion that if you're under 35, you don't know what a real muscle car is. The last time I heard this, it was about Woodstock. "If you remember it, you wern't there."

By and large, I must agree. To have been a licensed driver after 1964, is a lot different that being a licensed driver after 1984.

They are welcome to their opinions. I love my car. I still remember an old member - Mensera - relating the story of how his KB #1X (now Sarge's) easily took a C5 Vette.
In Latin, "Mens Rea" means "state of mind," a lynchpin in American Juris Prudence, the practice of Law. Bill Karrow is still around, Doc, still reading us here, and still kicking Corvettes to the curb.

His legacy among us here, is that he alone is responsible for the KB #1x, and everything we have accomplished here, follows that exploration. Think in "time clock" terms, and once you do, you'll see how Bill Karrow and Kenny Brown, opened all the doors we walk trough today, albiet, in some degree, as bold as if we built the doorway ourselves.

Any and all of the MM developments we all talk about today as if they had been around since the Civil War, began with Kenny Brown and Bill Karrow brainstorming how to stick a Vortech blower on an MM. What followed, is our lineage, or history, our parents. None of us would be here talking any of this Marauder mod stuff if Bill Karrow had not sat down with Kenny Brown, and talked Marauder ***** in the first place. Thank you, Doc, for remembering where we all come from.

Update...For the record, the KB #1x is still kicking Corvette butt, however, it's really a bit different today than you think.

It's not often I run across a true Corvette owner, a believer with real Corvette blood in their veins, as we Marauder owners have come to recognize and accept in our's. We know we're crazy MM owners, and we're more a cult, a religion if you will, than just owning a particular car. They seemed to have missed this...Dedication?

The stoplight challenges with a 'Vette I've met so far, have ended in weak give-a-ways, and friendly "heyhowyadoin,nicecar,Igottatur nrightnow" nods. Lots of guys who look just like me...Older, got nothing up top but gray, for those still combing, and "portly" now too, but still hungry to run once again.

Therin lies the rub. We want to run like we ran before, unfortunately, most Corvette owners today never "ran before," so, it's like they own their vettes, like I own my Marauder, but we DRIVE our Marauders like we used to drive back then, when they never did...Nevermind.

Moreover, it seems to me that the majority of Corvette owners in my neck of the woods are not younger men who know what they are driving, but frustrated women in their mid to late 40s, who are spending daddy's money on a "fast" car. Once I beat them at the stop light, I seem to get a lot more winks and nods to pull over and talk. They do, I do, we do...I love Corvettes!

For me, Corvettes are Timex watches...They keep on ticking, and love a good licking...Umm...Nevermind.

[teamrope]

[[ Yawn ]]
My sentiments exactly. :blah:

[BlackHole]

Good I'll let them think all MM's can only touch mid 15's. Kind of like that3.5 TL last night. But even a snail can beat mine right now as the whole rear is out of it and the 4.10's chip ant Throttle body is going in.

[JDC 302]

I'm sure someone... somewhere has posted that a stock Mercury Marauder can't compete with a Viper Venom !!!!! ...... OH WELL ......
Ford gave us a very well thought out Engine package. They where told by the rules of the Car Gods How much of it would be released as production Horsepower to the consumer. There has been talk of this Engine being held back by as much as 40-50%
in the stock DE-TUNED as delivered state. That will make some of the stories a little more interesting in ( our favor ) when our cars see some mods that bring out the engineered genius of this 281 Cubic Inch Engine.

[merc]

You asked for more, well lets see what the Camaro SS guys think about us.

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241589&highlight=marauder

There is a Maruader kill story in this one, but late on in the tread a SHO gets served by a Marauder. Who is this masked Marauder ?

http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=33052&highlight=marauder

[FiveO]

http://www.fhp.state.fl.us/PhotoGallery/PG011604.htm


Nice....! :)

[Slowpoke]

It's not often I run across a true Corvette owner, a believer with real Corvette blood in their veins, as we Marauder owners have come to recognize and accept in our's. We know we're crazy MM owners, and we're more a cult, a religion if you will, than just owning a particular car. They seemed to have missed this...Dedication?



I like that Mac - we are a Cult. Cool. Instead of selling flowers at the airport, I sell Pens on the Internet (I still got some, so place your orders!). Our church (or temple) is Dell Rhea's where we worship the almighty chicken. Instead of the Apostles, we got Dennis and Jerry. Moses? well, Moses is non other than Logan, parting the way to spiritual freedom through the Internet. The three wise men? well, how about Zack, Mac & Marty? I am not sure where Todd fits in but someone will let us know. And our version of the virgin Mary, of course, bears the same name (RF's better half, of course).

Our Marauders have been born again, resurrected, if you will, from a slumber of some 30 years to shine brightly in a two-year reincarnation which will last, if we have anything to say about it, into eternity. Our blood is made of 5w30; our hearts are supercharged; our passion is sitting behind the wheel waiting for the light to change. Yearly we must all travel on a spiritual pilgrimage to wherever our leaders, in their infinite wisdom, point us. This year it was Indy...

Our Bar Mitzvah - the ritual celebration of manhood - is achieved the first time one sets forth on a quarter mile track. Circumcision [ouch!] is when our car goes through a silencer delete.

I only wish I could deduct my fuel costs as a charitable contribution....

so, yes, Mac, we are a cult; the price of admission is a set of car keys... and I am proud to belong. Just don't make me shave my head and wear a yellow toga.

[Joe Walsh]

It looks like those Camaro guys are pretty level headed.. No real MM bashing at all. I'm quite suprised at how the thread did not quickly become a MM abuse session like the 300C website did.
As for the Impala SS guys, I had to laugh...last time I was at the track, both Impala SS owners came over to talk to me and to DROOL over my MM. Both said that although Chevy did it first, Mercury did it right! they loved the look, rims, and especially the interior & gauges.

[bigslim]

First off, I have only lost to one Impalla SS and it was heavily modded. It sound like a jet plane taking off on me. Second, I have "NEVER" lost to a Honda Accord. I love making rice pudding out of them. And third, I can't believe the SHO people are talking about us. I had a 97 SHO and it was pig. My Continental was much quicker. Someone at the SHO had the nerve to talk with a car that looked like this:

[drobin]

I have only one question and that is, "what in the hell does a Corvette owner really know about a Marauder".
............

drobin
"Donald"

[teamrope]

http://www.fhp.state.fl.us/PhotoGallery/PG011604.htm


Nice....! :)
Sweet! :2thumbs:

[teamrope]

We are a Cult. Instead of selling flowers at the airport, I sell Pens on the Internet (I still got some, so place your orders!).
Good one poke. :up:

[Dan]

Most will recall our visit to The Pike on Sat. night.

Well, here is a post about the Blue MM and I. It is made by one of the guys I BRIEFLY met at a light. I think that you guys might get a kick out of this...


Haha, this Marauder guy is crazy! He's at the light, and he's like. IM NOT A COP, I'M GOIN BALLS TO THE WALLS ON GREEN. Me and my friend were on the left of him in a 2003 V-6 Accord and there was a mid 90's MX-6 V-6 on the right side of him, light goes green and everyone launches, even the people behind us! The Marauder guy won, we came in 2nd, and another Marauder passed the V-6 MX-6 as well! It was pretty intense.

At this point I am losing room on my rear window for all of the kill stickers I need to put there. Anyway, let the Accord guys say what they want about us. I listen right up until the green light drops. Then, let them see red, tailight red.

-Dan

[RCSignals]

It looks like those Camaro guys are pretty level headed..
Well, it comes with the mullet


I'm quite suprised at how the thread did not quickly become a MM abuse session like the 300C website did.


I had the impression from the posts there that most were very young guys, maybe not even with a real drivers license, who are just taken in by all the "Hemi" ads.
At least they are liking RWD ;)

[Silver_04]

I have only one question and that is, "what in the hell does a Corvette owner really know about a Marauder".
............

drobin
"Donald"

You're kidding right?

[duhtroll]

Uhhh. . . Chevy *DIDN'T* do it first. Who made the first big, black sedan?

That's right! Ford did.

Don't let Chevy owners spew this crap at you.

I like the Imp SS, but it wasn't the first. Not by a wide margin.

-A


Both said that although Chevy did it first, Mercury did it right! they loved the look, rims, and especially the interior & gauges.

[ADE 1000]

Moreover, it seems to me that the majority of Corvette owners in my neck of the woods are not younger men who know what they are driving, but frustrated women in their mid to late 40s, who are spending daddy's money on a "fast" car. Once I beat them at the stop light, I seem to get a lot more winks and nods to pull over and talk. They do, I do, we do...I love Corvettes!

For me, Corvettes are Timex watches...They keep on ticking, and love a good licking...Umm...Nevermind.

Then I guess I am in the minority in your neck of the woods, being a 26 year old who loves Corvettes to the bone and knows exactly what I am driving. Contrary to what seems to be popular opinion, most of the C5 Corvette owners I have encountered are well aware that they are driving one of the best performance cars out there. This is especially true of Z06 owners.

As for all the posts on other sites, I can't say I really blame people for their thoughts on the Marauder. If all you did was read the magazine articles and did not take the time to visit a site like this, you would have a flawed viewpoint. In any case, what bothers me is that no one seems to remember the Marauder that was first tested in Motor Trend than did 0-60 in 6.9 seconds, all people talk about is the stupid Honda Accord comment and the 7.5 second time they got.

[Dan]

That does sound like a reasonable point of view.

-Dan

[67435animal]

I have only one question and that is, "what in the hell does a Corvette owner really know about a Marauder".

Maybe a little, and, in some cases, maybe a lot.

Bob

[martyo]

Maybe a little, and, in some cases, maybe a lot.

Bob

:fishslap: :fishslap: :fishslap:

[GordonB]

Well people,
As for me and mine, I'll stick with what I got. 2 MMs and 1 C5 coupe (2000) in Nassau BLUE of course!!!
I really couldn't warm up in 1994/6 to the rwd Impala SS shape regarless of WHAT engine/HP it had.
I just wish I could transplant a C5 engine into one of the MMs. There are plenty of junked/recycled C5 engines out there and the engine WILL fit under the hood of the MM. Now I know that this sounds like heresy, but ... I still like my Vette the way it pulls all the way from the gitgo! Flame suit on!!! \

GordonB

[merc]

This was one of my favorite post taken from the SHO site. Which one of you put the beat down on this kid at such a early age ?

Sho_Freak
SHO Member
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Iowa
Age: 17
Posts: 318

theres a nice black marauder i played with a while ago...and i got SMOKED....my window down when we were racing cuz i was talkin to him and i could hear this whine coming from the engine bay..........wrx's are crap without their infamous launch...

__________________
:party: :party: :party:

[duhtroll]

If it was on University Ave in Waterloo, that was me. IF he was a green one and early 90s. We both were beating down this pink colored rice machine IIRC.

And yes, he did lose. :D But he spanked the rice boy.

-A

[duhtroll]

Whoops, I mean I have a private track NEAR University . . ..

:nono: ;) :o


If it was on University Ave in Waterloo, that was me. IF he was a green one and early 90s. We both were beating down this pink colored rice machine IIRC.

And yes, he did lose. :D But he spanked the rice boy.

-A

[merc]

This one came for the imprezawrxsti board this guy has over 1331 and still cant' get his information correct.


http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/postnuke/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=12827&highlight=marauder

The Next Tommi Makinen
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
Posts: 1331
Location: massachusetts:
Posted: Aug 07, 2004 - 02:50 PM

Quote

Yeah .. CTS-V too, is a monster ... and Z06's as well...

the Mercury Marauder that made a one year run had potential too, unfortunately they crippled it with a hi-reving, no low end torque turd of an engine, 302lb/ft of torque at 4000 rpm is'nt enough to get that barge moving. i almost bought one for the leather interior and sinister looks. the STi won out though. :toss:

[Dan]

Whoops, I mean I have a private track NEAR University . . ..

:nono: ;) :o

Yes, don't forget, all MM.net racing/:dogrun: stories happen on [/b]private tracks.[/B] :lol:

[Dan]

Funny this should come up. I am actually looking into a WRX for my wife and was consiering one at the same time I got Moses.

This one came for the imprezawrxsti board this guy has over 1331 and still cant' get his information correct.


http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/postnuke/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=12827&highlight=marauder

The Next Tommi Makinen
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
Posts: 1331
Location: massachusetts:
Posted: Aug 07, 2004 - 02:50 PM

Quote

Yeah .. CTS-V too, is a monster ... and Z06's as well...

the Mercury Marauder that made a one year run had potential too, unfortunately they crippled it with a hi-reving, no low end torque turd of an engine, 302lb/ft of torque at 4000 rpm is'nt enough to get that barge moving. i almost bought one for the leather interior and sinister looks. the STi won out though. :toss:

[wesman]

Typical message board mis-information and half-witted comments. The 'pros' from the Detroit News are also typical. Write a couple details about the car and rip it based on your own very specific personal preferences. The thing that is great about the automotive world is there is something for everyone. If that Anita lady wants a pretty parade float on sit on going down main street brushing her hair, so be it. But don't complain a Marauder looks sinister. We know you're boring lady, don't bother us, just drive an Accord.
This is what I am looking for,
"And, boy, do people get out of your way on the expressway. I had the impression that many of them thought they were looking at a plain-clothes police car in their rear-view mirrors and immediately pulled over to let the Marauder by."
I have places to be!

[RCSignals]

.............................. ........ In any case, what bothers me is that no one seems to remember the Marauder that was first tested in Motor Trend than did 0-60 in 6.9 seconds, all people talk about is the stupid Honda Accord comment and the 7.5 second time they got.


Selective memory. They remember only what they want to support their own belief.
People also completely dismiss the Marauder review in MM+FF, and it may have been the most accurate and honest.

[RCSignals]

I really couldn't warm up in 1994/6 to the rwd Impala SS shape regarless of WHAT engine/HP it had.

I have to agree. The Caprice was downright ugly, especially before they opened up the rear wheel wells. The Impala SS was a dramatic improvement in looks (amasing what monochromatic treatment and dechroming will do) but still has a kind of "odd" look shape (mostly the greenhouse I think).


I just wish I could transplant a C5 engine into one of the MMs.
GordonB

ah Gordon, just get yourself a supercharger. :surprise:

[RCSignals]

Uhhh. . . Chevy *DIDN'T* do it first. Who made the first big, black sedan?

That's right! Ford did.

Don't let Chevy owners spew this crap at you.

I like the Imp SS, but it wasn't the first. Not by a wide margin.

-A


Well, if your realm of thought can't go back past 1994, I guess Chevy did do it first :nerd:

[drobin]

You're kidding right?

It all depends on what you mean by kidding.................

drobin
"Donald"

[drgnrdr33]

and this:


I wonder what Universe he was on when he read that?

I drove two 96 SSs before buying my MM. The dealers wanted high 18ks for them and the interiors were thrashed. Even if it was in mint condition I thought the instrument cluster looked like it came out of a Chevette. Plain and ugly. Performance? Sure, the SS was lots better than the Honda Acorn I was driving, but my Marauder test drive sold me.

So for a few K more I got a Marauder with 7 years improvements in technology, 1/4 the miles, better performance, and more rare than the SS. How can you beat that?

[Silver_04]

It all depends on what you mean by kidding.................
I guess this is what I meant
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~ctt9/images/june_pics/vet_sig.jpg
There's a few of us that know a thing or two.

[marauder307]

Now...you want to talk about a serious competitor for us...look at the new Bonneville GXP. I think Pontiac was looking over our shoulders...Where have we heard this description before?

Full-size 4-dr sedan
4.6L 32v DOHC V-8
18" flangeless rims (in the case of the B-ville, they stuck with uniformly-sized tires all the way around)
Console mounted 4-spd auto w/traction control
Carbon-fiber trim package for the interior.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it? And it even looks good in black...

[Silver_04]

Yeah, but the Bonnie is wrong wheel drive

Buddy of mine bought one and it sure is nice. Great interior, heads up display and had it not been front wheel drive I would have considered one.

[jgc61sr2002]

Yeah, but the Bonnie is wrong wheel drive

Buddy of mine bought one and it sure is nice. Great interior, heads up display and had it not been front wheel drive I would have considered one.

What does it cost?

[JDC 302]

[QUOTE=drobin]I have only one question and that is, "what in the hell does a Corvette owner really know about a Marauder".
...........

I know what I like-and I like what I know
If a vette isn't powered by a BIG BLOCK .....Dump It
If you want America's fastest 4 DOOR .....Huff It

[hbarrett]

I owned a 95 SS ten years ago. I liked it then, and thought it had great interior, and it did at that time. But there is no way it can compare to today's MM. It also had good low end torque that we should have been given from the factory, but that can be corrected. SS handling was OK, but I'll take the stiffer high speed feel and acceleration of the MM any day over the Imp. The MM is overall a better car today for the money, and the SS was good for its day a decade ago. I think it's unfair to try making an objective comparison today when considering the state of the technology of the two are quite a bit different. They both have their place in history. As for vettes, they are to be respected as having been GM's flagship of its technological performance capability for decades, and although expensive, they have always performed with some of the best. I have owned a couple of vettes during the past fifteen years, and loved them, but they are expensive to buy and insure, and you always need a second car. We are getting an amazing amount of value and performance potential with our MMs, and five people can sit in it!
Howard
The comment that the Impala's interior was better is a howler. The SS had a notoriously low-quality interior which has not aged well.

I considered buying an SS when they were new in 1996 (knowing it was the last year), and rejected it solely for its poor fit and finish. It definitely didn't feel like a $25,000 car.

The Marauder has its faults too, but the interior isn't one of them.

TTYL
David

[Silver_04]

What does it cost?

Right around 36k for the Bonnie. My GM employee discount and rebates made it tempting but RWD won me over. It is a really nice car though.

[jgc61sr2002]

Right around 36k for the Bonnie. My GM employee discount and rebates made it tempting but RWD won me over. It is a really nice car though.


I am a Pontac man from way back. Have a 1961 Bonneville Conv. Been looking at the new Bonneville for several years. The cost is almost 10K over the Marauder and the stlying does nothing for me. Plus it has the wrong wheel drive.

[drobin]

I guess this is what I meant
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~ctt9/images/june_pics/vet_sig.jpg
There's a few of us that know a thing or two.

I am totally impressed and hereby grant you total absolution. What a beautiful combination of automobiles you have acquired and commend you on your excellent choice of having both..


drobin
"Donald"

[Silver_04]

I am totally impressed...blah blah blah

As you should be...

[Fourth Horseman]

As you should be...

Such humility.

[BruteForce]

As you should be...

come on fellas... group hug. :hug2:

[BigMerc]

last word is, after you read the forums they posted, it just confirms one thing. You can't talk marauder to honda guys, it's like talking etiquette to whores!!

[mad man]

Well i have'nt found an impala ss to beat me yet (saw 2 and beat them both)nor ANY kind of honda either.Which reminds me the other night when cruising threw town this rice burner pulls up next to me and 2 kids are looking at me and they say to me nice car sounds nice.and i asked them do those things really run on rice and fish heads and they took off and just chirped :hotrice: Soooo who's Next!?You were not at Indy .

[Dan]

To me, if a guy in another car gives me a thumbs up I am happy. It doesn't matter what he drives.

There are ricers out there who DO get it. There is a guy here in CT with a CIVIC that is pushing 500+ whp. He doesn't have a single sticker or wing on his car. The guys who get it are the ones that we should be talking to and hanging with. Odds are, they know a ton about turbos and chargers and can talk the same talk that we do.

"Can't we all just get along!?" :D

-Dan