Stock MM Racing Question

[Bruce Phelps]

I am tired of all the negative input on MM. Could some of your guys please help me, for conversation purposes, telling me what you have been able to beat with bone stock MM. Our '04 DTR feels very strong for a big family car.
Would appreciate any information.

[Dr Caleb]

Just Above this thread and below the MM logo, fourth from the left, you'll see 'TimeSlips'. Click there. . .

You'll see Carfixer's 2004 , with a time of 14.291@96.19mph.

Mrs Teamrope's is on page 3, bone stock 2004, 15.455@92.75

I think TripleTransAm also did 15.2 in a bone stock 2003.

[Joe Walsh]

Reading this thread just reminded me of a question I had...With the upgraded (higher stall) Torque Converter and the dual knock sensor/more ignition timing of the 2004 MMs, do they run any quicker than the 2003 MMs???
Bone stock of course...

[TripleTransAm]

I think TripleTransAm also did 15.2 in a bone stock 2003.


I did a little better than that. See below for best ET so far. And yes, bone stock right down to the air filter.

If my work schedule allows, I'd like to see what some more mileage will have done for loosening my car up. I doubt I'll see tremendous gains, as I don't feel as great an improvement in performance over time as what I experienced when the car is new.

Before I hit the track, I'd want to get my camshafts torqued down properly, in case that's the source of my tapping/ticking (which varies in intensity depending on who's listening and how cold or warm the engine is... still haven't found a reliable pattern - sometimes I can hear it inside the car, sometimes it's what I'd consider 'acceptably quiet'). I imagine the increased noise might mislead the Knock sensor into reading false knock.

Edit: do I still have claim to the quickest reported ET on a stock Marauder including 2004s? I understand the 2004s were improved (and based on descriptions of owners, strongly believe it) but I don't know if anyone has had the good fortune of wringing the best out of their 2004 yet...
(and by bone stock, I mean exactly the way it rolled off the factory floor or with warranty-replacement items, including s/w)

[Joe Walsh]

YEEOHHH!!! 14.5s @ 97 BONE STOCK! No chip?, UDP?, K&N?, 4:10s?.....That is SMOKIN' for an OEM Marauder. I could only run 15.5s stock.

[Jaguar]

Carfixer has "4.10 Gears, SCT Tuner, Underdrive pullies." The fastest stock MM according to the timeslips is the fat bastid, 14.738@95.37. I'm guessing that's with almost no gas, tire pressure lowered, perfect conditions, basically anything that could go right did ;)

[RF Overlord]

And yes, bone stock right down to the air filter.

/Steve: Didn't I see a picture of your motor with a FRAM filter? :run:

[TripleTransAm]

YEEOHHH!!! 14.5s @ 97 BONE STOCK! No chip?, UDP?, K&N?, 4:10s?.....That is SMOKIN' for an OEM Marauder. I could only run 15.5s stock.


Thanks.

No chip, no nothing. Factory air filter. The only change being a replacement driver's side head because my previous one was a gungey oil-leaking guide-burning valve-munching ticking piece of engineering disaster. I immediately noticed a slight decrease in perceived performance immediately after the warranty work, but after a proper break-in and a trip to Hershey, I noticed the car was a little peppier (ie more capable of breaking the tires loose, etc.).

Track performance was explosive, in my opinion primarily due to an improved low end response. I suspect the stock '03 MM programming is a bit stunted due to the presence of only one knock sensor, and so any hint of noise picked up by them on a warm day means retarded timing. On a cool evening such as the one I raced in, the low end performance was exhilirating, as described by one MM.net member I was racing against (he had his highly modified CV that night).

[TripleTransAm]

Carfixer has "4.10 Gears, SCT Tuner, Underdrive pullies." The fastest stock MM according to the timeslips is the fat bastid, 14.738@95.37. I'm guessing that's with almost no gas, tire pressure lowered, perfect conditions, basically anything that could go right did ;)


Not quite... I was running 14.6s all night long. I ran my 14.56 after a cool down. No special prep, no attention to tire pressures (must have been at my normal 32 psi). Fuel was around the 1/4 to 1/2 mark, with a mix of 94 and 91 (or 92) octane. Perfect conditions? I guess... funny thing is that I hear from a lot of people that this track is 'slow', so I wonder what I could have pulled in similar conditions on a 'quick' track.

RF: no FRAM oil filters for me, but I understand Fram paper air filters are among the best you can get. I'll do a web search for any indication otherwise.

[SergntMac]

With the upgraded (higher stall) Torque Converter and the dual knock sensor/more ignition timing of the 2004 MMs, do they run any quicker than the 2003 MMs? Bone stock of course...
Zack and I have added a second knock sensors and '04 EEC, the timing possibilities can lead one to be quite adventureous. I didn't hear about an upgrade in the '04 stall, but I did hear about the move to an 11.25" converter. Nonetheless, don't forget the very light upgrade to tranny gear ratios and shift behavior ala valve body changes, our early complaints were heard.

Add it all up, and in a heads up race between two "pure" stock MMs, and I'd put my money on the '04.

[TripleTransAm]

/Steve: Didn't I see a picture of your motor with a FRAM filter? :run:


http://www.ls1.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-506522.html

http://www.ls1.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-335219.html

[BlackHole]

I did a 14.97 with a 1/2 tank fuel and my 175 LBS of dead weight with nothing else. Its all in my sig. Just wonder how I would do with my 4.10's chip and TB now.

[Paul T. Casey]

Back when I was stock, I got a best of 15.01 at the SSHS3 in Atalnta. I had too much gas in it (3/4 tank), carried my full sized spare, ran 30 psi in the tires, and it was my first time racing. As previously stated by Steve, mileage seems to help this engine also. My son's friend nearly hated his MM for the first 5K miles, now, he's a Maraudering Dude! So what can you beat. As far as new I'd say any Chevy except Corvette (but including the SSR), any Pontiac, any Pentstar except the Viper and that new Neon but including the Hemi trucks, most Mercedes, Volvos, Saabs, Lexus, Toyotas, Nissans, and a myriad of others. You can't hang with most off the sports cars, I don't know much about the new Dodge wagon (with Hemi), and avoid the Supercharged DOHC guys (Lightning and Cobra). You are running as good as a lot of the so called muscle cars of the late 60's early 70's. Best way to find out is go out there and explore your manhood. I do it all the time, and come up on the better end a surprising ammount.

[TripleTransAm]

...explore your manhood. I do it all the time, and come up on the better end a surprising ammount.

Dude, that sentence generated a mental image that was just plain disturbing...

:stooges: :lol:

[Paul T. Casey]

Sorry Steve, I'm still felling the effects of the Porsche thing. :rofl: If you could have seen the look on his face... :rofl: It was worth every penny I've spent on the Marauder :bounce:

[Silver_04]

15.1 w/a 2.4 60' time. That was on a lovely 60 degree day in Feb with 3000 miles on the clock. I ran faster than one of Kenny Browns S/C'ed Crown Vics that day. I think the guy was having traction problems, but a W is a W.

Beat a supercharged Buick Riv but my favorite was one night sneaking up on an '88-'93 Mustang LX 5.0 hatch and some sort of Toyota (total rice) that were playing on a strip of I-75, the private racetrack part of course. They were doing about 80, door to door, and I snuck up on the right rear quarter of the Stang. They punched it, I punched it and easily pulled the Toyota and was pulling even with the Stang then he looked over, saw the car and shut down all of the sudden...maybe he thought I was a cop. I couldn't get either of them to play after that.

No mods here.

[EbonyMarauder03]

I ran 15.1 @ 95 mph done stock, full tank of gas (sunoco 94 ultra), and the full size spare and organizer in the trunk. It was a very warm and humid day at ATCO.

[jgc61sr2002]

Well done. :up: :D

[Smokie]

Carfixer ran a 14.9 bone stock and brand new very low miles, he has an '04 DTR. I don't know what mine did bone stock, but it did 14.49 on a flash and new set of windshield wipers.:whistle:

[BillyGman]

I don't know what mine did bone stock, but it did 14.49 on a flash and new set of windshield wipers.:whistle:
hey, that's an unfair advantage. What brand of wipers are they? And were they 22" wipers, or a modified length? After all, we have to compare apples to apples here.

[TripleTransAm]

I've seen his car in pictures, he's using those really aerodynamic jobs with the deflector in front...

They work, you know. There is a ridge of extremely high air pressure which develops at the base on the windshield on his car, and it literally forces the air right down under his hood. You can see in one of his videos that his hood is literally bloating as he passes the 1/8th mile marker on the track. It's enough to twist his air intake such that his throttle body faces the same direction as it does on the Mustang (which I suppose gives him a few more hp right there, since the Mach I throttle body faces the passenger's side, doesn't it? and it's rated 305 hp, not 302, right?).

This also explains why all his dyno pulls were executed with the windshield wipers in operation...

[BillyGman]

LOL....very articulate Steve. You seem to have wrapped up about three or four threads in one there. You get the creative writing award tonight.;)