Get 'em while they HOT(OEM tires)

[MERCMAN]

Tirerack( a sponsor of MM.net) has our OEM rear tires for 84 bucks plus shipping.

Rear: 245/55WR18
Serv. Desc: 103W

Price: $84 Special
Estimated Availability: In Stock


Grab em folks,, GREAT price!! :trophy1:

[Joe Walsh]

At that price 'BillyGman' can buy a dozen....you know...."practice tires" :burnout: :burn: :D

[klmore]

:up: I bought a set at my local Tire Rack this week for $69 a tire. I'm not quite ready for new tires, but at that price I bought a set.

[THE_INTERCEPTOR]

At that price 'BillyGman' can buy a dozen....you know...."practice tires" :burnout: :burn: :D


LOL! Yeah Billy! Burn 'em! :rock:

[rayjay]

Good investment for down the road when only Ford/LM will have them, for who knows what price. I bought a pair last month when they dropped to $84.

[Tallboy]

Good investment for down the road when only Ford/LM will have them, for who knows what price. I bought a pair last month when they dropped to $84.
same here. my rears still have a few thousand miles left on them, but it's nice to have a spare set.

[Silver_04]

Aaaak...I'm running out of room for parts.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~ctt9/data/rodney.gif Thanks Dan!

[SILVERMARAUDER]

Aaaak...I'm running out of room for parts.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~ctt9/data/rodney.gif Thanks Dan!
yes they do not last long i only got 12k out of my rears!

[PJR]

That's a great price, but the fronts are still up there, and that's what I could use.

[jgc61sr2002]

Sounds to me like they are being discontinued or replaced by a newer design.

[CRUZTAKER]

They ran that sale earlier this summer and I couldn't resist. If it's in your budget, get a set and store them in the garage. This is a great price for OEM's.

MAKE SURE YOU UTILIZE THE BANNER ON OUR HOMEPAGE!

[rumble]

:up: I bought a set at my local Tire Rack this week for $69 a tire. I'm not quite ready for new tires, but at that price I bought a set.



So did I and at the same price. For only $69 each I'm considering two more
of that same size for the front. Since I have a 300A without that traction
thing, looks would be my main issue. I know someone here has done this
but I can't seem to find the thread.
Help, anyone?

[BillyGman]

LOL, yeah, I can always use a new set for the back. BTW, I think MAC has used P255's on all four corners, as some others here have also, w/out a problem.

[SergntMac]

As much as I know about it, the link on our home page has no benefit attached to it, and Logan has said as much in the past.

You can use 4 tires of the same size on all 4 corners without any disruption to the ABS or Traction Control. I have driven on 255/50/18 on all corners, with only very minor rubbing in front during lock-to-lock turns.

[Bradley G]

Hey Mac I did'nt know this is possible,I had the MM in for road force balance,the private garage rotated tires front to back. This action caused the ABS TRAC> CONT. & brake lamps to stay on.I was told due to speed sensors you cant change the speed at which they spin ie;use different size tires.did this change between '03&'04 what's the deal??I am also curious to know why you choose to run rear size on front ?Don't you loose the Rake look of the front being slightly lower?

[rayjay]

255/50/18 should be really close, if not the same diameter as 245/55/18

[MarauderMark]

I think MAC has used P255's on all four corners, as some others here have also, w/out a problem.


Without a problem?I like the sound of that. :rock:

[Dan]

A question.

Unless having OEM tires around for shows and such is important to you why would anyone want these tires? My experience has been that they don't last. Shouldn't tires like this last longer or give much better handlng properties if 16K is what we should expect from them?

Ok. That's two questions. So sue me. :)

-Dan

[gpfarrell]

A question.

...why would anyone want these tires? My experience has been that they don't last. Shouldn't tires like this last longer or give much better handlng properties if 16K is what we should expect from them?

Ok. That's two questions. So sue me. :)

-Dan

I think the main reason we want them is because they fit and they don't make all our traction control lights go blinkity blink.

Seems like Mercury picked some oddball sizes for the MM's... I don't recall seeing any other tires of the exact sizes available in a matched set. While I'm certain some other tires must work, I don't want to be the guy that goes through the mount/balance/experiment/return hassle for a 300B car.

My fronts are still great at 18,000 miles. As for the rears... I'm glad they're on sale!

Cheers,

Greg

[Dan]

Whoa! The implications of what was just said sound ominous.

Are we locked in to our tire diameters? That doesn't seem right. Will someone please add any additional technical data that they might have on the matter.

Thanks.

-Dan

[gpfarrell]

Whoa! The implications of what was just said sound ominous.

Are we locked in to our tire diameters? That doesn't seem right. Will someone please add any additional technical data that they might have on the matter.

Thanks.

-Dan


Dan,

I don't have any technical data, but here's my logic... if you can call it that!

ABS & Traction Control both work off of wheel speed sensors. When the ABS detects one wheel going slower than the others, it releases the brake on that wheel. I think the TC compares rear wheel speed to front wheel speed... if it notes a difference outside of set parameters is starts squeezing rear brakes and cutting engine power.

The sensors on MM's are calibrated to recognize the different circumfrences of our front & rear tires. According to TireRack, the stock front tires revolve 759 times per mile, the rears 724 times/mile. I think the sensors measure relative speed from wheel to wheel, and are clueless on actual ground speed.

If the sensors continually get conflicting information from what they think the baselines should be, they'll get mad (see, no technical terms either!) and light the lights.

724:759 is a .954 ratio. Me thinks we could mount different size tires, but that ratio of the front to rears needs to stay very close to that .954, or the electronic brain will get a headache. The system must have some margin for error... tire wear would change the revolutions per mile, but I have no idea if it would go from 724 to 724.2 or 735... I'm not sure how much change it would be... but there's got to be some fudge factor.

So long as the BFG's stay cheap I can live with them.

I too would welcome a more enlightened response... because if the BFGs ever dry up, what will we do?

Best,
Greg

[SergntMac]

Are we locked in to our tire diameters? That doesn't seem right. Will someone please add any additional technical data that they might have on the matter. Thanks.-Dan


Hey Mac I did'nt know this is possible,I had the MM in for road force balance,the private garage rotated tires front to back. This action caused the ABS TRAC> CONT. & brake lamps to stay on.I was told due to speed sensors you cant change the speed at which they spin ie;use different size tires.did this change between '03&'04 what's the deal??I am also curious to know why you choose to run rear size on front ?Don't you loose the Rake look of the front being slightly lower?
We're not locked in to any particular tire sizes, but the difference between front and rear cannot exceed 1.05" without setting off an alarm. When you put the rears on the front, the difference in size is twice that, and sennsors think the car is skidding, or, slipping.

Same size all four corners works fine, and the only reason I did it was money. My front tires wore out, and I had two sets of rear tires laying around, also worn out, but not as badly. I put four rears all around while I shopped for a fresh rubber. Now I'm running 255/45/18 fronts and 285/45/18 rear, again without any complications. I still have a built in rake, though not as pronounced.

[Fourth Horseman]

If the sensors continually get conflicting information from what they think the baselines should be, they'll get mad (see, no technical terms either!) and light the lights.

This happens to me when I take car in for its annual emissions testing. They put the car on the dyno type thing to spin the rear wheels while they ramp up RPMs for testing. The front wheels, of course, are not spinning. I always get the car back with the ABS light on. After a half mile or so of normal driving it goes out.

[gonzo50]

same here. my rears still have a few thousand miles left on them, but it's nice to have a spare set.
I figured, why wait till you need them, :loco: then they'd all be gone :run: .......Just purchased me two for the rears, I'll need them soon, :burn: the fronts are OK. :dunno: Thanks. :beer:

[jgc61sr2002]

This happens to me when I take car in for its annual emissions testing. They put the car on the dyno type thing to spin the rear wheels while they ramp up RPMs for testing. The front wheels, of course, are not spinning. I always get the car back with the ABS light on. After a half mile or so of normal driving it goes out.



That's correct the ABS light will come on during the emissions test and the computer will reset it after normal driving.

[shawn744]

Hey guys, i have an 03 MM 300b. I have 18,000 miles currently and on my original front tires, and on my second set of rears (currently at 20-30%). I'm looking for new tires, and want to go wider, say maybe 265 - 285 in the rear, and 245 - 255 in the front.....i'd like to know what kind of tires to get, i've been researching for HOURS on tirerack.com and can't find anything that's less than 170/tire (Pirelli P ZERO NERO M&S). I couldn't find any tires for the 255 - 275 size....i think i'm entering in the wrong sidewall measure....i'd also appreciate appropriate measurements for plus sizing.....(dunno if 265 35 is too thin)... .....i also need something that wont cause any trouble with the traction control. I'd really appreciate any help with this issue. Thanks a lot. -shawn :bounce:

[michael ward]

I have an 04 300a w/tc @ abs and i want to run the rear size in all four corners 245/55r18. can you go into the ecm and change tire size? if so how is this done? :bop:

[MyTMerc]

Tirerack( a sponsor of MM.net) has our OEM rear tires for 84 bucks plus shipping.

Rear: 245/55WR18
Serv. Desc: 103W

Price: $84 Special
Estimated Availability: In Stock


Grab em folks,, GREAT price!! :trophy1:Mercman,
Thanks for the heads up. Just ordered a set of back tires. With 4K on my 2004, they'll live in my garage for a while but you can't beat the price. Front tires are still pretty steep at $201 each.
Shaun
:burn:

[BillyGman]

I cannot say that I've searched long and hard for all the different tire sizes that are available to us as Marauder owners, however, from what I have seen so far, it appears to me that the biggest limiting factor that we run up against besides the ABS vs. front-to-back tire circumfrence ratio, is simply the fact that our cars do have 18" wheels, and there are much less choices of 18" tires out there, than there are 17" and especially 16".

[Mike Poore]

Tirerack( a sponsor of MM.net) has our OEM rear tires for 84 bucks plus shipping.

Rear: 245/55WR18
Serv. Desc: 103W

Price: $84 Special
Estimated Availability: In Stock


Grab em folks,, GREAT price!! :trophy1:Thing is: if you buy & store them, then six months or so, they won't pass Road Force when mounted, will Tirerack take 'em back? The reason for the point is: son John had a giant hassle trying to return a set of badly out of spec Pirelli's to Tirerack.They don't seem to be as customer friendly as in the past, when I sent back one of the four Firehawks for the '97 Cobra. Perhaps it was the girl-twit on the phone, but be careful.

[shawn744]

Front tires are still pretty steep at $201 each.
Shaun
:burn:


WHAT?? $201 EACH?? i see them on tirerack.com for $128.....??

[MERCMAN]

Sidewall: Blackwall
Front: 235/50WR18
Serv. Desc: 97W

Price: $128
Estimated Availability: In Stock Front:
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Rear: 245/55WR18
Serv. Desc: 103W

Price: $84 Special

[MENINBLK]

I dont' know what you guys are doing with your Marauders, but I've got
close to 16k on mine and the fronts and rears STILL have plenty of mileage.

Maybe you need to put more ARMOR ALL on the sidewalls ???

[BillyGman]

I dont' know what you guys are doing with your Marauders, but I've got
close to 16k on mine and the fronts and rears STILL have plenty of mileage.

Maybe you need to put more ARMOR ALL on the sidewalls ???
LOL....I don't think it's the sidewalls that are wearing, unless there's someone here who likes doing burnouts w/the back tires up against concrete curbs. :banana2:

[jakdad]

Remember this guys, rubber hardens with age. I wouldn't store the tires too long. We found this when we were racing circle track. You can buy last seasons tires at bargain prices but they wont grip near as well as those fresh out of the mold. Also check dates on the tires so you don't buy somthing thats already three or four months old. The production date can be found in the DOT number on the sidewall.

[Badger]

MMMMMmmmm trhe smell of fresh rubber. Yup. Rubber ages.
A dilemma. Has anyone actually road tested different sized tires to see if there is a better handling stance for the MM. Did they base the tire sizes on looks (hotrod which it is not) or on actual road data. It seems to me (who is used to an open diff on my CV) that the MM pushes/plows more then it oversteers.
Who is qualified to tinker with the ABS/TC settings?
A cheap mans 4.10 gears would be to put a smaller diameter wheel tire combo on in the back.

[jakdad]

MMMMMmmmm trhe smell of fresh rubber. Yup. Rubber ages.
A dilemma. Has anyone actually road tested different sized tires to see if there is a better handling stance for the MM. Did they base the tire sizes on looks (hotrod which it is not) or on actual road data. It seems to me (who is used to an open diff on my CV) that the MM pushes/plows more then it oversteers.
Who is qualified to tinker with the ABS/TC settings?
A cheap mans 4.10 gears would be to put a smaller diameter wheel tire combo on in the back. Our MM is just right for me. It is close to neutral with just a weee bit of push. OK for a road car. Stock cars, I liked 'em just a weee bit loose.

[MENINBLK]

Remember this guys, rubber hardens with age. I wouldn't store the tires too long. We found this when we were racing circle track. You can buy last seasons tires at bargain prices but they wont grip near as well as those fresh out of the mold. Also check dates on the tires so you don't buy somthing thats already three or four months old. The production date can be found in the DOT number on the sidewall.
I can see this being a problem if you are buying the tires and not using them for a year or two.
But to buy them now and put them on for the spring should not pose a problem...

[jakdad]

I can see this being a problem if you are buying the tires and not using them for a year or two.
But to buy them now and put them on for the spring should not pose a problem... Probably for a daily driver, it doesn't matter. If you race, could make a difference. Check dates when you look at them. You could be buying a tire that is already 6 months from manufacture date. Pick some out with latest dates.

[David Morton]

Whoa! The implications of what was just said sound ominous.

Are we locked in to our tire diameters? That doesn't seem right. Will someone please add any additional technical data that they might have on the matter.

Thanks.

-DanThis is what I know from General Motors' training camp about the "active" type ABS and Traction Control system, and from what I've been reading here since May is pretty much what we have on the Marauder.

1) If your ABS light is on (especially from computer diagnosed faulty wheel speed sensor data) your braking and traction control will go to default operation, which is to say that it will act like a car that has non-ABS brakes. No ABS braking and Traction Control off.

2)The data coming from the speed sensors is just a simple pulse signal and is the same per revolution no matter what tire is on the rim. The computer translates this data with a known parameter for the tires size and then decides if the wheel is slipping or not. If it's data says one is slipping while the brakes are not being applied (in the case of ABS) or the car is not acceleratiing (in the case of T/C) for long enough it assumes a faulty speed sensor, sets a code, and turns everything, ABS and T/C off. This translation parameter is in the EEPROM and can be changed, so for the guys that have Superchips tuners, they can reprogram for the larger fronts (or smaller rears?) and be back in business.

My personal observations and preferences are...

1)If the larger tires rub "only slighly" on the front, and...
2)The car has a sexy rake with the stock sizes, and...
3)The feel of the car in the twisties is perfect the way it is...

Why would I want to ****e-Wulf 190 with that? That one was the arch-enemy of the Martin B26 "Marauder" 60 years ago!:fishslap: