Sean Hyland Supercharger

[SILVERMARAUDER]

Talked to Sean personally on the phone this am and discussed the supercharger install i am wanting to put on my MM getting real close to doing this i had about had my mind set to do a Trillogy and may still but Sean said if i wanted the most boost about 13 to 14 and a 100k reliable driver then i would need to do some internal work ie: head work forged pistons and rods balance and blueprint dyno tune it ect.... ect.... what do you guys think as with anyone i want the most i can get for the $ Sean deal is pretty pricy but there is a lot of work involved :dunno:

[cyclone03]

I think if I was in GA I might hook up with that bunch down there and talk with there local guy.
Talk with DR too.
Dennis has built more than one high HP blown Marauder.
These guys know how to build the lower end of the mod motor to hold the required power.

My Guess,you'll save some money.

[Fourth Horseman]

I'm certainly no expert, but if I was planning on running that much boost I'd want to build up the motor to take the load. Forged internals would give you confidence to really mash the pedal.

[MAD-3R]

If I was in your place, and was serious about doing it right the first time, here is what I would do.

1. Contact VT Competion Engines in Lansing Michigan about their Forged rotating assembly kits (http://www.vtengines.com/46Ford.htm). Don't go for the stroker, as it may prevent you from utilizing the full boost capability.

2. Decide who's kit you want to use, VT uses a Paxton centrfuge S/C, Dennis uses a Vortech, also a centrefuge and Trilogy is an Eaton, a roots style. I'm not sure who Sean Hyland uses, but I think it's a Procharger.

3. Get with Team Ford in Atlanta, GA or Dennis Reinhart in Jacksonville FL, Depending on where you live, and discuss your idea. Both these shops are really on the ball. After getting your engine that high, you'll need to get the trans reenforced, the rearend bullit proofed, and probebly want breaks all around.

[wesman]

I'm certainly no expert, but if I was planning on running that much boost I'd want to build up the motor to take the load. Forged internals would give you confidence to really mash the pedal.

I called DSS racing, they are in Il, they don't list our application but they do SVT Cobra bottom ends.

[barrytuneup]

does anyone know why my 04 mm has no auto. parking brake release like my 97 g marquis? the mauual says it has it. i also do not have a remote fuel door release. thanks

[MAD-3R]

:hijack: :Offtopic:
does anyone know why my 04 mm has no auto. parking brake release like my 97 g marquis? the mauual says it has it. i also do not have a remote fuel door release. thanks


Decontenting

[MM03MOK]

Those two features were only available on the 2003 300A cars built up to November of 2002. The 2003 300Bs and 2004 300As do not have those features, along with a few other things such as front pockets on the front seats and in-dash clock. They must have forgotten to update the manual.
does anyone know why my 04 mm has no auto. parking brake release like my 97 g marquis? the mauual says it has it. i also do not have a remote fuel door release. thanks

[Dan]

Those two features were only available on the 2003 300A cars built up to November of 2002. The 2003 300Bs and 2004 300As do not have those features, along with a few other things such as front pockets on the front seats and in-dash clock. They must have forgotten to update the manual.

Will I get in trouble if I use the :Offtopic: greamlin on a moderator?

:lol: I hope Mary has a sense of humor.

-Dan :)

[MM03MOK]

Yep! :Offtopic: :lol:


:bunny2::tmi: :bunny2:


Will I get in trouble if I use the :Offtopic: greamlin on a moderator?

:lol: I hope Mary has a sense of humor.

-Dan :)

[MI2QWK4U]

Is there anyone with a supercharged Marauder running 13-14 pounds of boost on stock internals that hasnt had any problems?

[JohnE]

Even at 6psi you're taking a chance. 13psi is way more than you should expect get away with on stock internals. Because some people are doing it, doesn't turn it into a good idea. I even know of two piston ring land falures on stock na 4.6 2V engines. And these weren't experiencing obvious detonation to the drivers. Engine failures on forced induction usually do massive damage. It's your risks to take.

Don't be surprised to see a few engine failures in time. The harder things are pushed, more likey to break.


For me, I built up a forged engine for 8psi of boost. And I have a spare engine ready to go in, just in case.


John

[MI2QWK4U]

Is there anyone with a supercharged Marauder running 13-14 pounds of boost on stock internals that hasnt had any problems?


Oh yes...I forgot! Lidio, Myself, and about 3 or 4 other Marauders are running at 13.5 pounds of boost on stock internals. People need to educate themselves on what they are talking about. Some act as if this is the first 4.6 DOC that has been supercharged with stock internals. It isn't. And as for failures, you said it..stock cars are having failures, thats just fords "job 1" quality shining through again. In my opinion, adding anything other than what came on the car, you are inviting the additional chance of something breaking, chips tuned on the overly agressive side, nitrous in excess, underdrive pullies installed wrong, you name it. When something breaks, be a man and fix it, if not, then don't step into the "modded" group. Speed costs, both in initial costs and in the long run with failures. If you don't want to play with the big dogs, then don't. I love a bone stock classic like our Marauders will be as much as a heavily modded one! Just be warned, if you want to jump in with both feet and do things to mod your car, don't cry when something breaks.
Tuned responsible our motor will handle that much boost, not more than 14 or 15 to be sure on stock innards, but thats the problem...tuned responsibly.

[BillyGman]

I used to be dead set against ever S/Cing any engine that didn't have forged pistons, crank, and rods including the Marauder engine. But when I began to read up and educate myself on the subject of S/Cing, and I learned that there were already two dozen otherwise stock engine Marauders that were Trilogy equipped at the time(now there's 48 of them), and most having tens of thousands of miles on them w/out any engine failures, I began to look at this entire issue in a different light.


The fact is with 48 Trilogy equipped Marauders, 40+ Kenny Brown S/Ced Marauders, and the Reinhart S/Cer equipped Marauders (I think 25ish, but I know it's 20+ for certain), there are well over 100 S/Ced Marauders, and all of them w/stock bottom ends. Many of the owners of these cars are members of this board,and I've yet to hear of an engine failure. Infact, the only engine failures I've heard of so far were all on Marauder engines that are NOT Supercharged!!!



So while I agree that the margin of error can be narrowed with any modification, including a chip, when it comes to S/Cing, I don't believe that it's nearly as risky as many people think it is. Particularly if the tune is correct. To be more specific, the air/fuel ratio, and escpecially the ignition timing advance curve have to be adjusted correctly. And that's very important. I have a lot of confidence in Lidio of Alternative Automotive because he not only has a S/Ced Marauder himself, but he's tuned S/Ced 4.6L Mustang engines that have cast pistons ever since the 4.6L engine came out. And he is the one who sets the tuning on all the Trilogy S/Ced engines even if the car isn't brought to him since he is the one who burns all the chips that are included with the Trilogy S/Cer kits.

I agree that if you want to take the boost pressure up to 14 PSI or higher, then forged internals would be a good idea, but you can have a dependable and very fast S/Ced Marauder that's easily a 12 second car on the race track, as well as a well mannered daily driver with merely 9.5 PSI-10.5 PSI of boost, and all with the factory stock bottom end. I know, because that's exactly what I have, as well as what countless others on this board have as well. And all w/out engine problems.


If you really want to be educated on this Supercharging topic, then do what I did, and read the following two books:

1. "Supercharged" by Corky Bell (probably the best book you'll find on S/Cing)

2. "Street Supercharging" by Pat Ganahl (great book, although not quite as up to date as the first).

After reading these two books, and looking at Lidio's "Rant" article on his website, I decided that S/Cing my Marauder would be a great choice, and it was. Here's the link to that article....

http://www.alternativeauto.com/tuning/tuning_philosophy.html


BTW, while forged internals in the bottom end is a good idea if you're opting for an 11 second Marauder running 14 PSI or more of boost pressure, I absolutley disagree w/John E's statements about the need for forged internals even with 6 PSI of boost. The fact of the matter is, that you can easily run more boost than that w/out forged internals and have a dependable engine, especially if the Supercharger kit in question includes an intercooler like the Trilogy and Reinhart ones do.

Furthermore, the tune has to be correct. If the tune isn't right, and it's too aggressive, then the engine will knock, and even forged pistons won't save your engine then. They will still melt and/or crack even if they're the best forged pistons money can buy. And pistons and head gaskets are the first to go when the engine is knocking. Knocking(aka detonation) is the number one enemy of the S/Ced engine no matter what the bottom end includes, and proper tuning will prevent that.

[SILVERMARAUDER]

If I was in your place, and was serious about doing it right the first time, here is what I would do.

1. Contact VT Competion Engines in Lansing Michigan about their Forged rotating assembly kits (http://www.vtengines.com/46Ford.htm). Don't go for the stroker, as it may prevent you from utilizing the full boost capability.

2. Decide who's kit you want to use, VT uses a Paxton centrfuge S/C, Dennis uses a Vortech, also a centrefuge and Trilogy is an Eaton, a roots style. I'm not sure who Sean Hyland uses, but I think it's a Procharger.

3. Get with Team Ford in Atlanta, GA or Dennis Reinhart in Jacksonville FL, Depending on where you live, and discuss your idea. Both these shops are really on the ball. After getting your engine that high, you'll need to get the trans reenforced, the rearend bullit proofed, and probebly want breaks all around.
sounds like 30k will cover that :cheer: thanks for the info!

[SergntMac]

sounds like 30k will cover that :cheer: thanks for the info!
Oops...You didn't tell us that money was a factor. Had you said so, I would have spoken up sooner.

The Marauder is a 4500 pound car. Speed cost money. If you wanna make a Marauder quick, how much you got?

Sean Hyland is known to be expensive, and without really producing much you cannot get elsewhere, cheaper. Then there's that whole Canadian to US. dollar thingy...Confusing, messy at best.

Any way you look at it, you gonna pay by the pound...

[MI2QWK4U]

...Speed cost money. ...

Absolutely....usually figured at a horsepower vs. cost ratio, also known as bang for your buck. It is fair to say that some paid a lot less than others to get their Marauders to run 11's or very low 12's.

[QWK SVT]

Talked to Sean personally on the phone this am and discussed the supercharger install i am wanting to put on my MM getting real close to doing this i had about had my mind set to do a Trillogy and may still but Sean said if i wanted the most boost about 13 to 14 and a 100k reliable driver then i would need to do some internal work ie: head work forged pistons and rods balance and blueprint dyno tune it ect.... ect.... what do you guys think as with anyone i want the most i can get for the $ Sean deal is pretty pricy but there is a lot of work involved :dunno:
I live in Toronto - quite close to SHM. Before spending any money there, please PM me! :chat:

[hitchhiker]

Talked to Sean personally on the phone this am and discussed the supercharger install i am wanting to put on my MM getting real close to doing this i had about had my mind set to do a Trillogy and may still but Sean said if i wanted the most boost about 13 to 14 and a 100k reliable driver then i would need to do some internal work ie: head work forged pistons and rods balance and blueprint dyno tune it ect.... ect.... what do you guys think as with anyone i want the most i can get for the $ Sean deal is pretty pricy but there is a lot of work involved :dunno:

How does Sean's setup compare to the VT S/C MM setup? VT's offering involves a lot of engine hardening elements too. Also a bit pricey.

Best Regards,

David

[Joe Walsh]

Furthermore, the tune has to be correct. If the tune isn't right, and it's too aggressive, then the engine will knock, and even forged pistons won't save your engine then. They will still melt and/or crack even if they're the best forged pistons money can buy. And pistons and head gaskets are the first to go when the engine is knocking. Knocking(aka detonation) is the number one enemy of the S/Ced engine no matter what the bottom end includes, and proper tuning will prevent that.

Actually the first thing that can go is the powdered metal Oil Pump Gears that are mounted directly on the crank snout.....I know from personal experience...$$$$$... :cry:

[BillyGman]

Actually the first thing that can go is the powdered metal Oil Pump Gears that are mounted directly on the crank snout.....I know from personal experience...$$$$$... :cry:
I do sympathize w/you Joe. I don't like hearing of such things happening to any RWD V8 engine hi-perf cars (I don't care about the others) let alone to a Marauder. However, because I haven't heard of that happening to a S/Ced Marauder yet, (although I'm not neccessarily implying that it can't) then I don't believe that it can be S/Cer related.

[SergntMac]

How does Sean's setup compare to the VT S/C MM setup? VT's offering involves a lot of engine hardening elements too. Also a bit pricey. Best Regards, David
What I know of Sean Hyland comes from his web page. He was a vendor here some time ago as well. The exhaust systems choices he offered us back then were very expensive for what was offered, and I don't recall that any of us actually bought anything from Hyland. That's changed now, a lot. Now we have many exhaust system options to pick from, and with much better pricing. I don't think we would have all these choices, had we not searched out options on our own. Competition inspires development, and we all benefit.

I've been to VT's production facility in Lansing MI. I know the results of their work first hand. They are smaller and less experienced than Hyland, yes. But, this usually results in better service and greater flexibility.

It's a full race shop, with all the expected talent and tools on hand. You can order a full rotating assembly kit and DIY, or, drop off your car and let them at it. VT uses the customary top drawer brand names, and they will build what you want. I found the end cost very reasonable, and much less than I expected for the work performed.

Don't be disappointed by the performance stats of VT's Marauder, it's a project car built to be sold to a private owner. All the right stuff is there and I am sure once a private owner takes control of that project, it's full potential will be released. The VT Marauder will be one MM to be wary of.

We have vendors here vending just about anything, except custom engine builds. VT does that, but few of us have taken advantage of their services. Maybe it's time to explore this? IMHO, you could bullet-proof your bottom end, choose your compression, and maybe pick up a few cubes, for around 7-8K, which is very reasonable IMHO.

If you're serious about building your MM engine, VT should be on your shopping list.

Just my .02c...

[MAD-3R]

Yeah, what ^^ he said.

[TAF]

You don't even need to leave the confines of the Atlanta Metropolitan Area...and you can have ANYTHING you need done to your car right here....as good or even better than you can get anywhere else. If you're serious...let me know and I can help you out.

[SergntMac]

Folks, let's patronize our supporting vendors whenever possible? They were there for us at MV-I, MV-II, and hopefully, they will return to our corner in MV-III. They give us good service and great advice, and they deserve our consideration when major mods are in the planning.