Warning to the Membership.

[Logan]

All,

I am one man. I started this site to meet new Marauder owners, a place where people can learn and share their experiences with their cars in a forum free of the pettiness, flames and derogatory behavior that in general is allowed on other forums.

It is my belief that this fosters long lasting friendships that we all can value. I've had the pleasure of meeting hundreds and hundred's of mm.net members in person and while a couple of you are weirdo's, the vast majority, I'm proud to call friends.

Recently, members here have taken it upon themselves to attack other members for their own personal reasons and generally create angst, mistrust, imply deception or ill-doing by the administrators of this site, question sexual preferences and generally make complete *******s of themselves.

This behavior and conduct is well beyond what is tolerable and what I consider appropriate behavior for this site. I will NOT be a part of a website where this type of behavior exists.

I am currently on the receiving end of a number of complaints regarding the above. I've asked countless times for it to end and for people to get back to the basics of friendship and enjoying these cars. While I do expect the odd bit of strife to erupt now and again, lately, it's been a constant drain.

I'm under a enormous amount of stress personally and professionally right now and quite honestly don't need, nor will I tolerate this abuse.

Here's what's unequivocably going to happen.

If the personal battles being waged via my site are continued, the entire website is going to be shut down indefinately and will revert to an archived mode where no participation is allowed and only thread review will be possible.

I will not allow what I've created or myself to be manipulated. I do this because I enjoy it, not because I'm obligated.

Right now and for the past month, I've hated even opening my web browser.

So, like I said, either it stops or the site will close indefinately. You're all in MY house. Don't think I won't kick y'all out and lock the door just to get some peace and quiet.

Make your decision so I can make mine.

[fairlane347]

I agree with you Logan. The other forums I visit turn me off because of the same things you mentioned. Your site is the best out there. I hope a few DON'T wreck it for all. :2thumbs:

[Bluerauder]

.... for it to end and for people to get back to the basics of friendship and enjoying these cars. While I do expect the odd bit of strife to erupt now and again, lately, it's been a constant drain.
You are coming in Loud and Clear ..... I agree ... and will abide by the rules of a civilized site. This should be fun and not a pain in the butt for anyone.

[RoyLPita]

No problemo, here.

[TheDealer]

Logan, I respect your decission but I hope it doesn't come to that. Please let's keep this site going, It's a nice place to relax. RAY :up:

[Racerx88]

Well said Boss.
You've got my complete support.

[SergntMac]

You got it, Boss. Your house, your rules, our home, 'nuff said.

[deerejoe]

Much like those who scroll graffiti, dissident member(s) troll for attention.
Not having much else to say other than negative discourse, they incite others to respond in kind; continuing the displeasure of the majority.

This website has garnered an impressive number of members...MM owners or otherwise.
That has not happened due to coincidence, it is a fact due to the intended integrity of the site.

I have not met you personally Logan, nor have I been able to attend any of the events where you were present. However, I have been a member here for one simple reason...a common bond to an automobile this site is dedicated to.

At times, I have labored through many topics unrelated to the MM out of curiosity hoping to glean something of substance from it.
Perhaps, as in all situations, subjects mature to a point of saturation.
When that happens, creativity either saves or demands change.
Maintaining a singular purpose is difficult when so many diverse personalities are represented.

We have observed the MMs progress from birth to modified conditions and all the in betweens. We have discussed a myriad of problems and solutions.
An impressive array of vendors have come forward to assist our quest for making the MM a very personal vehicle.

A moderator (founder) has to make the choice in change and direction if the site is to remain of interest to the majority of members.
Interest wane's when off topic subjects seem to proliferate above what is desired by each individual.

The solution for you is rather simple:
Close the active site and revert to an archive of MM information only, or purge those members intent on divergent dissidence.

You have stated your intent and it is certainly your prerogative in light of your many other obligations.

I personally favor purging...but that requires time and effort.

I have learned much in regards to my MM, certainly more than the owner's manual conveys.
You have maintained a high calibre website devoid in large degree of profanity and idiocy...and I appreciate your continual efforts in that direction.

Whatever your choice, I have enjoyed the experience to date.
Thank you for the opportunity and your time and efforts.

[SHERIFF]

I don't know what's going on. I don't know who is involved. I have missed it all. Somehow.

The point being, whatever is going on........... maybe most of us overlook it and don't pay any attention to it? Whatever is going on..... I think I must have thought the guys were teasing each other and playing with each other.

I hope you decide NOT to penalize everybody because of a few and whatever is going on. You are the Marauder community online. The only one to speak of.

I can make up a new phrase that perhaps suits this situation well......... "Don't cut your nose off to spite somebody else's face!" :)

[darebren]

Logan, does this corespond to you getting out of your marauder? i know you say you want a silver one, but it seems to me, you also have lost interst in your car., and i wonder if you said you wanted a silver one to keep the masses from throwing stones at you (jokingly). I have lost interest in mine, and it sells this week. It's a great car, and if it were more popular i suppose my interest would have stayed high longer. as it is, i found this site exceptional, the wealth of info here was amazing! and you did a great job of it all. good luck in whatever happens to your marauder itch.. if it gets scratched again or not.

[Dennis Reinhart]

This is probably the best site I have ever posted on, and I have to agree with Logan, this site has grown tremendously over the last year, I think of this, club as a group of friends, I say this with absolute conviction, friends can always have differences of opinions, I respect other opinions, I may not agree with them but every one is entitled to there own opinion, but this does not include personal attacks or plain flaming or derogatory statements, we have the best car site around, its as much our responsibility to help monitor these situations, as Logan, what Logan has out lined here is against our terms of service we have all agreed upon when we joined this club, lets not let this club come unraveled, Logan cannot do all this on his own lets help him as much as we can.

[Forenzic]

Logan,

I love this site .... please don't take it away ........ :soapbox:

I belong to a number of forums and they all have very similar issues with policing. I have found that on a few sites where the admin gets overwhelmed he appoints people in the comunity to help moderate.

I hope we can keep this site up, but that's just my 2 cents.

[bigslim]

Logan, if it were not for this site I would have never have met such a great group of people. Please do not let the actions of a few ruin it for the rest.

[wesman]

I am with the SHERIFF on this one. Whatever happened, I missed it. Maybe I was too busy ordering a S***load of parts from members recommendations to get my weapon moving & dodging & weaving. No stoping yet.
But the point is the info I have picked up in one week of Marauder ownership is vast, all due to the members of this board. The high-performance ship has just left the harbour, don't turn the lights out now!
Its funny everytime I log on to this board, I comment to myself its nice to be amongst some mature people for a change. The board I frequent with my other car is appalling to say the least. R1C3R mother******ers who are as lazy at typing as they are witless.
Good job Marauderers!
Wes.:burn:

[Silver_04]

Keep it clean folks. I'd hate to lose this automotive oasis.

[Logan]

Logan, does this corespond to you getting out of your marauder? i know you say you want a silver one, but it seems to me, you also have lost interst in your car.

Absolutely not the case. Has never entered into the equation in the slightest.

[Fourth Horseman]

It's because of this kind of BS that I don't read the lounge any more. I completely understand where you're coming from Logan. My vote: lock it all down and make it a read-only reference site. ***** 'em.

[03SILVERSTREAK]

I agree with Logan. this petty nonsense that Logan is bring up must stop and it up to us to go back to the enjoyment of our cars and the new information and mods and continued community respect towards each other. as an LEO I understand what Logan demands of his site after all It is his site and he wants Peace and respect towards each other. and Logan if comes to it , just remove the problem makers from the site as I do at work and will support what You do at your HOUSE...

[Frank Meyer]

I'm new to the Sunsine State Marauder's and agree you should not be saddled with the AH's that get on the website. I would hate to see the site close but it is effecting you that much you have to think about yourself and family.
So what ever decision you make you have my support, but I hope this situation can be resolved and you continue the website...Frank....








All,
I am one man. I started this site to meet new Marauder owners, a place where people can learn and share their experiences with their cars in a forum free of the pettiness, flames and derogatory behavior that in general is allowed on other forums.

It is my belief that this fosters long lasting friendships that we all can value. I've had the pleasure of meeting hundreds and hundred's of mm.net members in person and while a couple of you are weirdo's, the vast majority, I'm proud to call friends.

Recently, members here have taken it upon themselves to attack other members for their own personal reasons and generally create angst, mistrust, imply deception or ill-doing by the administrators of this site, question sexual preferences and generally make complete *******s of themselves.

This behavior and conduct is well beyond what is tolerable and what I consider appropriate behavior for this site. I will NOT be a part of a website where this type of behavior exists.

I am currently on the receiving end of a number of complaints regarding the above. I've asked countless times for it to end and for people to get back to the basics of friendship and enjoying these cars. While I do expect the odd bit of strife to erupt now and again, lately, it's been a constant drain.

I'm under a enormous amount of stress personally and professionally right now and quite honestly don't need, nor will I tolerate this abuse.

Here's what's unequivocably going to happen.

If the personal battles being waged via my site are continued, the entire website is going to be shut down indefinately and will revert to an archived mode where no participation is allowed and only thread review will be possible.

I will not allow what I've created or myself to be manipulated. I do this because I enjoy it, not because I'm obligated.

Right now and for the past month, I've hated even opening my web browser.

So, like I said, either it stops or the site will close indefinately. You're all in MY house. Don't think I won't kick y'all out and lock the door just to get some peace and quiet.

Make your decision so I can make mine.

[2003 MIB]

I love it here. I'd miss all y'all but that's what needs to happen. Logan's local here and I see him quite a bit. The stress in his life right now is massive- old job, new job, old house, new house, twins, life, the move, the site, support of LSCC- it's too much... We are a burden to him at this point in his life. That's not fair- I know he's a disembodied voice to a lot of you but this is a real live person with 24hrs in a day. He's a severe type A personality but even they have their limits.
Shut it down, Boss...I mean it.

[O's Fan Rich]

So, other peoples actions could have a negative effect on me?
Well, I understand, but, I'd like to know who the heck it is if it should happen. That way, they can be "on my list".
So, I vote for outting whoever the trouble makers are. Maybe a "jail" jail forum wher members names are posted while they serve their suspensions for misbehaving.
The factthat someone else has a bit of control over what I want is disconcerting.

[423REED]

All,

I am one man. I started this site to meet new Marauder owners, a place where people can learn and share their experiences with their cars in a forum free of the pettiness, flames and derogatory behavior that in general is allowed on other forums.

It is my belief that this fosters long lasting friendships that we all can value. I've had the pleasure of meeting hundreds and hundred's of mm.net members in person and while a couple of you are weirdo's, the vast majority, I'm proud to call friends.

Recently, members here have taken it upon themselves to attack other members for their own personal reasons and generally create angst, mistrust, imply deception or ill-doing by the administrators of this site, question sexual preferences and generally make complete *******s of themselves.

This behavior and conduct is well beyond what is tolerable and what I consider appropriate behavior for this site. I will NOT be a part of a website where this type of behavior exists.

I am currently on the receiving end of a number of complaints regarding the above. I've asked countless times for it to end and for people to get back to the basics of friendship and enjoying these cars. While I do expect the odd bit of strife to erupt now and again, lately, it's been a constant drain.

I'm under a enormous amount of stress personally and professionally right now and quite honestly don't need, nor will I tolerate this abuse.

Here's what's unequivocably going to happen.

If the personal battles being waged via my site are continued, the entire website is going to be shut down indefinately and will revert to an archived mode where no participation is allowed and only thread review will be possible.

I will not allow what I've created or myself to be manipulated. I do this because I enjoy it, not because I'm obligated.

Right now and for the past month, I've hated even opening my web browser.

So, like I said, either it stops or the site will close indefinately. You're all in MY house. Don't think I won't kick y'all out and lock the door just to get some peace and quiet.

Make your decision so I can make mine.I'm relatively new to this site, since early June '04, when I bought my new 2004 Marauder. I've loved my car since
the day I drove it home from the dealer. I've also been very greatful to everyone who participates in this site, and raises issues to be discussed and resolved. So many of
us have various experiences with our Marauder, dealers, repairs, modifications, etc., to willingly share with other. This is the single best place to find this information, to exchange our ideas, share our experiences driving and owning our cars, and offer suggestions. It would be a tremendous loss to us all if a few owners were to destroy all you've worked for. We all don't post every single day. But I review the forum 6 or 7 times a day to read the new posts and questions, along with the absolute wealth of information on modifications, vendors, owners pics, etc.

I agree that other forums for other cars always seem to involve ugly comments, disagreements, knocking the competion's cars, etc. When I was in my Mustang stage, owning five third generation Mustangs from 1980 to 1997, I found a lot of constant bickering back and forth from the Chevy and Ford factions, the old Mustang vs newer Mustang factions, the customized vs stock Mustangs, etc. I didn't like that all!

We all must remind ourselves that everyone has a car that they love with all their heart, and a color that they particularly like! There is no perfectly right car, or color, or trim, etc., for everybody. It doesn't matter if you love your Marauder factory stock, or with $ 10,000 worth of great performance enhancements. Your both right! I especially enjoy the comaradery (I hope I spelled that right) of all
of our fellow Marauder owners. Its like a big, friendly car club.

To all of you who have been causing all of this stress to Logan, PLEASE STOP IT AT ONCE! Let's all work harder to get along and enjoy our Marauders and the new friends they bring us. You don't need to make smartass remarks just because someone has less knowledge than you have, or you just don't like something someone else said. Be productive, not sarcastic. And Logan, would you please seriously reconsider your comments about closing down the interactive side of your website. Thanks for all you've done for us all!

PS: Logan, one more thing. I've been married for 39 years and raised two kids and now I have the most wonderful grand daughter in the world. My advise to you is to always hang in there and look for solutions to whatever issues seem to be perplexing you right now. You will never lose unless you give up! Don't ever give up your dreams! Its always in your hands to deal with problems, jobs issues, relationships, stressful situations, etc. And the secret is...there is no secret! You just keep on keepin' on. Remember the old saying, "whatever hardship you're experiencing now that doesn't kill you - makes you stronger!" Were all in your corner for you!
__________________________
2004 MARAUDER 300A - DTR
1994 TAURUS SHO - DK GREEN

[TheDealer]

So, other peoples actions could have a negative effect on me?
Well, I understand, but, I'd like to know who the heck it is if it should happen. That way, they can be "on my list".
So, I vote for outting whoever the trouble makers are. Maybe a "jail" jail forum wher members names are posted while they serve their suspensions for misbehaving.
The factthat someone else has a bit of control over what I want is disconcerting.


Rich, you know me from www.vintage-mustang.com. I think Rich will agree that it's the best Mustang site on the net. Why? Because they don't allow and BS. Not like some other Mustang sites that have flame wars every day. The people that want that kind of stuff are the Jerry Springer wanabes.
I don't want that in a car site. If I do I can go to plenty of sites to see garbage. I think the one reason is we are an older more mature crowd that the newer Mustang sites. This is why I enjoy this site. NO BS!!! :beer:

[gonzo50]

I agree with you Logan. Your site is the best out there. I hope a few DON'T wreck it for all. :2thumbs:


You are coming in Loud and Clear ..... I agree ... and will abide by the rules of a civilized site.


Well said Boss.
You've got my complete support.


You got it, Boss. Your house, your rules, our home, 'nuff said.
I totally "concur" with all of the above, and with all that see it Logan's way. :2thumbs: :gangster:

[Dennis Reinhart]

The site does not need shut down, Logan stated that he will not condone the behavior that some have exibted here, and if it does not stop he will be forced into doing this, this has taken the fun out of running this site, what we need is to realize that what we have is a great site and it can continue to grow, and become better, and this is not accomplished by one person its the club as a whole. I was not aware of the issues surounding this I am really tied up getting into the new building and still trying to run the buisness I can appreciate what Logan goes through, the question is what can we do to help Logan and make this better.

[duhtroll]

I agree that the site should not be permanently shut down.

However, when I discipline a class and a few are ruining it for everyone, then the whole class suffers (and I teach classes up to 70 people at a time). Is it fair? No, but that's life.

I have stolen the motto "all for one and one for all," which is what our bands use as a description for how we treat one another. I told them I don't care how they get along OUTSIDE my room, but IN my room everyone WILL be civil and learn to play together, because when it comes to competition then even enemies depend on one another to succeed.

When they don't work together for a period of time, we have a little chat about priorities. If that doesn't work, I take something away.

Granted, we're not HS students here, but sometimes we act like it and the punishment should fit the infraction.

Maybe this privilege of ours (mm.net) should be taken away (shut down) for a couple weeks. It will give everyone time to cool down. It will also give Logan a well-deserved break.

But more importantly it will show everyone just how important this site is. I think we have lost sight of that.

Just an idea.

-A

[O's Fan Rich]

You are correct , Ray. no :bs: is the way to go.
It also has to do with respect for authority, and that's the guy who owns/runs the site.
VMF is succesful because of bob and MM.net is because of Logan.
Take a look at some of the other panther sites that have turned into jokes. I do not want this one to go that way, we need a mature place to stop by, and this is it.
Logan, love 'ya man... and you got alot of people watching your back.

Imagine a JAIL forum, where the offenders, their "crimes" and length of incarceration are listed... The more I think about it that more I like it. Hey Sadaam ain't busy, maybe he could be the warden! :lovies:

[Slowpoke]

Shutting it down would only be giving in to the nay-sayers.

Empower moderators to step on people that get out of line. Get more moderators if necessary; delegate the work to others.

Perhaps there should be **one** forum on this site with a no-rules moniker. People can go there to vent. Make it by subscription only - charge $1 - this will keep people from registering several account under ficticious names. Also, the subscription-only aspect of it will keep it out of the public domain. You can call it "The Zone" or something similar.

Whatever you do, I like most others, will support your decision and still consider you a friend.

[MAD-3R]

Shutting it down would only be giving in to the nay-sayers.

Empower moderators to step on people that get out of line. Get more moderators if necessary; delegate the work to others.

Perhaps there should be **one** forum on this site with a no-rules moniker. People can go there to vent. Make it by subscription only - charge $1 - this will keep people from registering several account under ficticious names. Also, the subscription-only aspect of it will keep it out of the public domain. You can call it "The Zone" or something similar.

Whatever you do, I like most others, will support your decision and still consider you a friend.

One of the boards I watch has one of these. It works pretty well. They call it the Cage.

Got a problem with someone else? Take it to the Cage. Cage Match!!

[2003 MIB]

The above are all great suggestions but every one of them creates Logan more work. Creating these "cages" or other forums just adds to the man's workload. That's what I'm saying we should avoid.

[jfclancy]

Absolutely not the case. Has never entered into the equation in the slightest.
Hey Logan

Who is messing with You ? where they at ? I will go sit on them! Really folks
let us all just get along and share our problems and resources. Any sniping should be with a Maw Duece from 1550 Meters.

Joe Clancy

[Gemmdiver]

I bought my 04 in May. I didn't know much about the Marauder, just liked the look and the idea of a full sized, rear weel drive, muscle car. Drove it for a month before it got caught in a hail storm and subsequently spent the next month in the shop. While waiting for the return of my MM I googled "marauder" and found this site. I had no idea there could be so many interesting people so interested in the Marauder. This is the most fun I've had with a car in the past thirty some years (meaning since High School, showing my age) I've bought SS inserts, a chip, gettings 4.10's, lots of bling, looking at getting it to a dyno and maybe, eventually, a s/c. I've been having fun and even the wife is pleased to see me this interested in something outside work. I give most of the credit for my new found interest to this site and, as it's originator, Logan. There are some of us (mayube most of us) that don't post very often, but look forward to opening the site every day. I hope you can keep it going.

[Dan]

Shutting it down would only be giving in to the nay-sayers.

Empower moderators to step on people that get out of line. Get more moderators if necessary; delegate the work to others.

Perhaps there should be **one** forum on this site with a no-rules moniker. People can go there to vent. Make it by subscription only - charge $1 - this will keep people from registering several account under ficticious names. Also, the subscription-only aspect of it will keep it out of the public domain. You can call it "The Zone" or something similar.

Whatever you do, I like most others, will support your decision and still consider you a friend.

I don't know what has happened in the background and am glad that I am not party to it. I also think that Logan has done a great job.

As for opening a "No Rules" forum I like the idea but we would need a set of rules that apply to the other forums first, woudn't we? Perhaps now is the time for Logan and his other moderator team members (and maybe even us) to help come up with a set of guidelines and rules so that folks can know ahead of time and the warnings can be more severe.

It is hard to enforce rules when what we currently have is so broad and vague. I am not criticizing. Logan is aware of my feelings about this as I have emailed him privately on it a number of times. I think that it is a very good site and I want it to be an excellent one. Perhaps our having a more clear set of guielines will be a good step in that direction.

Logan, I know how you feel about wanting to NOT check your email or open your browser. I have felt that way many a time as I am the admin of a very active enthusiast site and the President of one of the largest 4X4 clubs in the world. I am sorry if I sound like I am beating a drum but, as a peer, I cannot, in good conscience not bring it up again. I feel, in my heart of hearts, that our having a clear set of user guidelines would solve and prevent a lot of your problems.

I would hate for it to come to the point where you shut MM.net down. Before you do that, please, let me know. I will volunteer to hold on to the keys and give them back to you whenever you're ready. :)

-Dan

[MAD-3R]

The above are all great suggestions but every one of them creates Logan more work. Creating these "cages" or other forums just adds to the man's workload. That's what I'm saying we should avoid.

True, true.

If logan were to shut it down, I would be upset, but I would also understand. Maybe if it were just down till he's settled into his new house/job...

[PJR]

When I owned a '95 Impala SS I was very active in the E-Newsletter that was focused on our automobile. I have owned several cars since, and it was not until I purchased an '02 CV Sport, then my Marauder that I started enjoying this site. The total experience of having the information that this site presents, of driving the car, and of the general public toward the car is what me makes me enjoy the car. The site has already been invaluable to me. I would volunteer to assist others in any activity that would insure the longevity of the site.

To those that I have had the pleasure conversing with or sharing information with, thanks.

[Cobra25]

If their are some people that don't know how to behave like adults then they should be locked out if possible. I for one have made alot of new friends here and would hate to loose this site. There are alot of good people here and I hope the few don't ruin it for the many. Logan , I understand how you feel and I agree with you 100 %.

[Directedby]

Missed the drama here, but I can only imagine.

I like this site - almost addicted to it - kinda like porn, but with sexy cars.

Kidding aside - Most of the folks here are great people and share some very personal things. It's like a big family - but there seems to be bad seeds in every family.

Try to keep it going Logan.

[Big Joe P]

Logan, you do a great job of keeping the &#@% off this board. That's what I like about it. Great information, ideas, and opinions. Some people just can't participate in an open forum about cars.. yeah it's about CARS!! There is no need to flame on this board guys, it's a car!!!!! What happens when you're faced with a serious thing, like an illness, or death, you gonna be a smart-a$$ then?? Have some dignity and respect for each other. If you posess those qualities...... ok I'm done.. time for a cigar...

[2003 MIB]

Logan, you do a great job of keeping the &#@% off this board. That's what I like about it. Great information, ideas, and opinions. Some people just can't participate in an open forum about cars.. yeah it's about CARS!! There is no need to flame on this board guys, it's a car!!!!! What happens when you're faced with a serious thing, like an illness, or death, you gonna be a smart-a$$ then?? Have some dignity and respect for each other. If you posess those qualities...... ok I'm done.. time for a cigar...
I wish I'd said that. I don't think I've ever seen it put better.

[hitchhiker]

Great Job Logan!

Lock out troublemakers.

Best Regards,

David

[rookie1]

I too must have missed the drama and have never quite understood the enjoyment or necessity of arguing with someone you don't know via the internet where most people try to retain their anonymity.

I'd hate to see the site go, I've learned alot and visit at least once a day.

[Logan]

I'll say this. I appreciate the comments, what I am thinking of doing is allowing the community itself to determine and come up with the core rules & policies. Yes, I've started it, but it'd be nice if the community had a hand in coming up with what the hard and fast rules were and what the consequences of trespassing those rules are. That way, my rulings may not seem so arbitrary if the rules are something the community in general came up with.

Someone feel free to open a thread and come up with the 10(or however many) commandments of mercurymarauder.net and exactly how much latitude someone should be given for a violation of those rules. Should it be 3 strikes and removal? 1 strike and closed for a week? What? Not to discuss here, open a thread. That's were my brain is going with the whole thing.

I cannot entertain anything that adds to my work, instead concentrate on items that spell out exactly what conduct is acceptable and what isn't and what the penalities are for such and I'd be happy to implement that based on a general consensus of the users. That way, if accounts get closed, it won't be because of ignorance.

[2003 MIB]

Someone feel free to open a thread and come up with the 10(or however many) commandments of mercurymarauder.net and exactly how much latitude someone should be given for a violation of those rules. Should it be 3 strikes and removal? 1 strike and closed for a week? What? Not to discuss here, open a thread. That's were my brain is going with the whole thing.

Done. See "10 commandments" folks.

Logan-ignore my PM- this is better.

[Svashtar]

I joined this site just a couple of months ago to learn about my new '03 Marauder. SergntMac and Hitchhiker and Valleyman and Donny Carlson and Wes Chain and Dennis Reinhart and a bunch of other guys have gone out of their way to give me fantastic info and advice, in spite of some really basic (dumb?!) questions. I have spent about $3K in the last two months on upgrade stuff, some of which still has yet to be installed, but feel very confident in my choices. I feel I am making a great car even better, and there is no way I would have this info without this site.

That is why I was disturbed yesterday to receive an unsolicited email pointing me to another web site where one of the regular posters on MM.net was savagely ridiculed and even had his sexual preferences brought up as an issue because of something he had posted here.

As far as I am concerned the only action that Logan would need to take would be to kick this person who forwarded this link off MM.net and make sure he never came back. The whole thing was unfair and really mean spirited and unworthy of the friendliness and helpfulness everyone has shown me here.

There is no reason that the rest of us need to be shut out because of the acts of a few juveniles, although I wouldn't blame Logan a bit for saying the hell with it and shutting the doors.

I hope this all works out. I am really blessed to be a part of the two best forums on the net: The Himalayan Imports Forum (The Cantina!) on Bladeforums.com, and MercuryMarauder.net. The spirit of welcome and openness and helpfulness is the same in both places, and as you all noted that is very rare to find on the Net!

Best Regards,

Norm

[GordonB]

Logan,
The rules should be very simple: share info, provide feedback/personal experience, and NO FLAMES or insulting remarks.
I left Corvette Forum long ago because of Flame Wars, etc. I don't want to se you shut this board down because of RUDE/Arogant behavior. Let people take it to the Crown Vic net or somewhere else!!!
Love this site and the people here (vast majority).
Thanks,
GordonB

[marauder307]

“I too must have missed the drama…” posted by rookie1.

“Missed the drama here, but I can only imagine.” Posted by DirectedBy.

“I don't know what has happened in the background and am glad that I am not party to it.” Posted by Dan.

“Hey Logan

Who is messing with You ?” posted by jfclancy.

“…I'd like to know who the heck it is if it should happen.” Posted by Rich Long.

“Whatever happened, I missed it.” Posted by wesman.

“I don't know what's going on. I don't know who is involved. I have missed it all. Somehow.” Posted by Sheriff.

:cheesed:
The above quotes pretty well sum up my attitude at this point.

[CRUZTAKER]

I hear you, and will continue to abide as promised last summer.:2thumbs:

[MarauderMark]

Please dont take it out on all of us for those who give greif.I don't have any friends except for this site.now i look foward to seeing my friends at the meets which i've never heard of until i bought a mm..if you have a problem with someone tell us were they live and we'll take care of it if you don't feel like pushing the buttons :director: (only kidding of course).if i do something to upset anyone i wish someone would tell me because i may not know what i am saying or it was taking the wrong way (quess i'm one of the weirdos). i would help anyone on this board if i can why you aks because they're my friends and thats what you do with friends..So please dont close this site... :pill:

[spub]

All,

I am one man. I started this site to meet new Marauder owners, a place where people can learn and share their experiences with their cars in a forum free of the pettiness, flames and derogatory behavior that in general is allowed on other forums.

It is my belief that this fosters long lasting friendships that we all can value. I've had the pleasure of meeting hundreds and hundred's of mm.net members in person and while a couple of you are weirdo's, the vast majority, I'm proud to call friends.

Recently, members here have taken it upon themselves to attack other members for their own personal reasons and generally create angst, mistrust, imply deception or ill-doing by the administrators of this site, question sexual preferences and generally make complete *******s of themselves.

This behavior and conduct is well beyond what is tolerable and what I consider appropriate behavior for this site. I will NOT be a part of a website where this type of behavior exists.

I am currently on the receiving end of a number of complaints regarding the above. I've asked countless times for it to end and for people to get back to the basics of friendship and enjoying these cars. While I do expect the odd bit of strife to erupt now and again, lately, it's been a constant drain.

I'm under a enormous amount of stress personally and professionally right now and quite honestly don't need, nor will I tolerate this abuse.

Here's what's unequivocably going to happen.

If the personal battles being waged via my site are continued, the entire website is going to be shut down indefinately and will revert to an archived mode where no participation is allowed and only thread review will be possible.

I will not allow what I've created or myself to be manipulated. I do this because I enjoy it, not because I'm obligated.

Right now and for the past month, I've hated even opening my web browser.

So, like I said, either it stops or the site will close indefinately. You're all in MY house. Don't think I won't kick y'all out and lock the door just to get some peace and quiet.

Make your decision so I can make mine.
Logan-

First, let me express how much I appreciate YOUR forum. In the short time that I have been here, it has been a great source of information. I can't imagine finding a larger pool of information by people who truly enjoy their cars and helping others.

As to the problems you are facing. I have been on the "net" since '95, mostly in the newsgroups. I have seen great gatherings of extremely talented, and gifted people totally dissolve into nothing, for nothing more than the actions of a few.

I have been involved in the creation and moderation of groups designed for no other reason than to give those interested a place to share, without being involved in the rampent pettiness that pervades much of our daily lives.

That is what you have done here. IMHO, it would be a great shame to let the actions of a few overide the interests of the many, but only you know how this affects your enjoyment of what you do.

I would like to make a suggestion based on my experience with my MODERATED group. The word moderated is the key.

I do not see (and maybe I'm just not seeing it) a FAQ link on your site. If indeed you do not have one, I would create one. I would set the rules (there's no need to ask opinions, it's YOUR group), I would post it, and I would inform all (in the FAQ) that violation of the rules will result in one (ONE) warning, and then permanent banning from the site.

It's simple, it's effective, and I know it works ;>. The suggestion by some to delegate authority to others to lessen your burden may be one worth considering also. It's obvious that there are many here willing and able to do this.

Just my 2 cents. I hope it helps some. You have a great site here.

Kirt T. (spub)

[hitchhiker]

I want to make one quick point.

Don't feed the animals.

We must accept the fact that there are people out there who enjoy causing hate and discontent on the web. I remember dealing with these same personalities years ago on the CB radio too!

A determined '***** Disturber' can return again and again using new logon ids and can be quite difficult to remove permanently.

One wise approach is to shun them. Do not reply to their posts. Do not give them the attention that they crave. They will usually move on to other sites if they cannot get a 'rise' out of anyone here.

Remember, these types of people live for the conflicts and disruption they cause. We must be smarter than they are.

If you are attacked personally, be the bigger and more mature person and ignore them.

They will go away dissappointed and frustrated when their efforts produce no reaction from our members.

Best Regards

David

[Krytin]

That was a long read!
I only hope that I have not contributed in any way - I try to keep any reply short and to the point. If I have upset ANYONE on this site, please accept my appology! It has NEVER been my intention to insult, flame, belittle or malign anyone here! I look at you all as an extended family and if I write something that you take offence at/with, call me out on it and I will clarify my intentions and make any appologies needed!
Let's keep this site going!
Thanks,
Paul

[SouLRioT]

I don't know if I should start this here, but I like whats been said so far. How about also adding reginal moderators, and they would also beable to hopefuly talk to people in person if something is happening. And the mods would be able to deal with the members in their area, Logan shouldn't have to do anything.

[cyclone03]

I have to ask something.

Does all this have anything to do with the email I received last night sending me to another site with,basicly,a flaming post about a member here?


I also see a "get your own bandwith" message on some post whats that all about?

[martyo]

I don't know if I should start this here, but I like whats been said so far. How about also adding reginal moderators, and they would also beable to hopefuly talk to people in person if something is happening. And the mods would be able to deal with the members in their area, Logan shouldn't have to do anything.

Boy that we give new meaning to the term "geographically undesirable."

[Fourth Horseman]

I have to ask something.

Does all this have anything to do with the email I received last night sending me to another site with,basicly,a flaming post about a member here?

Didn't get that email here. I'm so not in the "in-club." :banghead:
:lol: :lol:

[TheDealer]

Yeah, I didn't get one either!!! :dunno:

[bugsys03]

I have to ask something.

Does all this have anything to do with the email I received last night sending me to another site with,basicly,a flaming post about a member here?


I also see a "get your own bandwith" message on some post whats that all about?


I too received that email. What a couple of a--O, I better not say what I think or I will be the first one booted off. I just hate to see our board lowered to that juvenile crap :down:

[2003 MIB]

That was a long read!
I only hope that I have not contributed in any way - I try to keep any reply short and to the point. If I have upset ANYONE on this site, please accept my appology! It has NEVER been my intention to insult, flame, belittle or malign anyone here! I look at you all as an extended family and if I write something that you take offence at/with, call me out on it and I will clarify my intentions and make any appologies needed!
Let's keep this site going!
Thanks,
Paul
Relax Paul- it ain't you. Never been you. The idea that you are concerned that it may have been you probably explains why it's not.:hug:

[Marauder386]

I view the site with my first cup o' java in the morning and throughout the day whilst at work...bottom line is that Logan has my support on what ever he decides. In the mean time, if I observe any improper conduct on here, I will take the info that I can get and see what I can do. I have a incredibly low tolerance for taking something good and ruining it...Logan...I got your six o'clock...condition one weapon...


M386

[Paul T. Casey]

One rule, be adultlike. (I made up that word for folks like me who are somewhat childish.) As for the "spam", you've got to remember you're on a public site and the FCC has no rules regarding online privacy.

[Svashtar]

Yeah, I didn't get one either!!! :dunno:
Believe me, you didn't miss anything. One member of this forum here basically viciously ridiculing one of the posts of another MM member to an "outside" forum, and getting a whole "poking fun" thread going. It degenerated pretty quickly from there into name calling and ridicule. I have no idea why someone would send it to me, unless it was to point out anonymously the behind the back flaming that was going on.

Regards,

Norm

[MarauderMike]

As within the real world we live in the whims of the "few" determine the destiny of the "many". Logan is absolutely right when he asks the "many" to determine what is right and wrong within our community. Abide by the rules or play your games elsewhere, simple enough.

[mad man]

Please not the same old crap again . Who ever is rocking the boat again just go the f--k away .We had a good time in Indy and maybe a better one next year.I for one don't want to see this site go away . I have met a lot of out standing people here . :argue:

[Marauder04]

This is a Great site....DO the Right Thing:party:

Harvey(::)

[MarauderTJA]

All,

I am one man. I started this site to meet new Marauder owners, a place where people can learn and share their experiences with their cars in a forum free of the pettiness, flames and derogatory behavior that in general is allowed on other forums.

It is my belief that this fosters long lasting friendships that we all can value. I've had the pleasure of meeting hundreds and hundred's of mm.net members in person and while a couple of you are weirdo's, the vast majority, I'm proud to call friends.

Recently, members here have taken it upon themselves to attack other members for their own personal reasons and generally create angst, mistrust, imply deception or ill-doing by the administrators of this site, question sexual preferences and generally make complete *******s of themselves.

This behavior and conduct is well beyond what is tolerable and what I consider appropriate behavior for this site. I will NOT be a part of a website where this type of behavior exists.

I am currently on the receiving end of a number of complaints regarding the above. I've asked countless times for it to end and for people to get back to the basics of friendship and enjoying these cars. While I do expect the odd bit of strife to erupt now and again, lately, it's been a constant drain.

I'm under a enormous amount of stress personally and professionally right now and quite honestly don't need, nor will I tolerate this abuse.

Here's what's unequivocably going to happen.

If the personal battles being waged via my site are continued, the entire website is going to be shut down indefinately and will revert to an archived mode where no participation is allowed and only thread review will be possible.

I will not allow what I've created or myself to be manipulated. I do this because I enjoy it, not because I'm obligated.

Right now and for the past month, I've hated even opening my web browser.

So, like I said, either it stops or the site will close indefinately. You're all in MY house. Don't think I won't kick y'all out and lock the door just to get some peace and quiet.

Make your decision so I can make mine.I agree completely with your decision Logan.! As a new member, I thoroughly enjoy Mercurder Marauder . net for one reason. Enjoying my Marauder to it's fullest. To mutually share all our experiences, high performane upgrades as well as any potential problems we as a group can address and overcome.

Take you negative issues somewhere else. Not here. Respect this house. Because I enjoy it tremendously and do not fathom being locked out becasue of a few _____holes.

Tom, Cape Coral, Florida

[MARAUDER S/C #5]

We could save Logan a lot of trouble by not bothering him or crying to him everytime you read something you don't like. I've never seen such a bunch of cry babies and rats. Like little snitches from our school days. " Logan, Logan he said something I didn't like or agree with please ban him." Please........grow up people, if you don't like what someone has to say, so what. Next time don't read their post, that's all. You don't have to go running to the boss to tell on them.:shake:

:twocents:

:bigcry: :nono: :puke: :fishslap:

[89VERT]

Well we 're talking cars here right?

And we all have a common interest right?
Them, let's all continue to do the right thing and show our appreciation of Logan's efforts by playing fair.

This site is an invaluable tool . I probably would not have even bought an MM without the info I learned here or enjoyed owning it half as much.

[jakdad]

Logan, we're all here on your dime. You have the right to set house rules. Should someone not like a rule, he or she can exit without making a wave. Just some thoughts from an old guy.

If all else fails, send Vito in the long black car! Peace will be restored.

[captJ696]

I want to make one quick point.

Don't feed the animals.

We must accept the fact that there are people out there who enjoy causing hate and discontent on the web. I remember dealing with these same personalities years ago on the CB radio too!

A determined '***** Disturber' can return again and again using new logon ids and can be quite difficult to remove permanently.

One wise approach is to shun them. Do not reply to their posts. Do not give them the attention that they crave. They will usually move on to other sites if they cannot get a 'rise' out of anyone here.

Remember, these types of people live for the conflicts and disruption they cause. We must be smarter than they are.

If you are attacked personally, be the bigger and more mature person and ignore them.

They will go away dissappointed and frustrated when their efforts produce no reaction from our members.

Best Regards

David


"what he^^^^^said", this applies not only here.

[nexstar7]

100% behind you. this is an information web site. a good joke and ribbing is ok too. it only takes one bad apple to make the rest of us smell rotten.

[drobin]

Logan,

I have loved this site since conception and don't know what I would do without it !!! Why let a few bad guys ruin it for the rest of us! You should call the shots as you see fit and the hell with trying to be the nice guy since it apparently isn't appreciated by those who are provoking you. "We need you and they don't" Bottom line is they don't deserve this site and it's membership you have created........ Please do the right thing ........

drobin
"Donald"

[SergntMac]

Someone feel free to open a thread and come up with the 10(or however many) commandments of mercurymarauder.net and exactly how much latitude someone should be given for a violation of those rules...That's were my brain is going with the whole thing. I cannot entertain anything that adds to my work, instead concentrate on items that spell out exactly what conduct is acceptable and what isn't and what the penalities are for such and I'd be happy to implement that based on a general consensus of the users. That way, if accounts get closed, it won't be because of ignorance.
Great idea, Logan, and we followed your lead. As mentioned ^ here just hours ago, another thread addressing this probabilty was opened by 2003MIB.

Thank you, Dan, for your intent, sorry it turned to *****. Your thread progressed with some very creative ideas, and I added my .02c to it as well. Sadly, it's "closed" now too, and for the same reasons it meant to repair.

At this moment, it seems we cannot agree on how to get along, nor how to not get along. At one time I believed some of us were just web dumb, but now I believe some of us do not want to get along, nor agree that none of this MM.Net stuff "is about me."

It's "not about me", it's about us, you dip*****s...Us being MM owners, the cars, the 411 on mods, and the meets. It's not about YOU, and all you are. It's much greater that all you are to us.

Logan...The only way you're going to get us all to pay attention at the same time, is to shut us all down at the same time. Having just served a week's suspension away from my friends and "family," and how that affected me, I think we all need a week's suspension and we all need it right now.

Give us all a week off to think more about what's happening here, and if this doesn't work to bring things more in line with your wants and needs, then you can debate your next option.

"Spare the rod, spoil the child" is a maximum I grew up with, and your children are begging your discipline. Get it done now, Boss, pull the plug for seven days, and give them all a taste.

None of us will suffer any real harm, we all have our address books and TX numbers at hand, we're all connected with each other in other ways anyway. This will help us clean out that BS too, and learn who we are connected with, and respected by.

Shut it all off for a week, and go spend time with your family, your new home, new job, and all that, as we will spend time with ours.

Just my .02c...IMHO.

[hdwrench]

you cant close the site or i wont be able to get tips on modding my soon to be new marauder correctly!

I guess this morning, before I arrived, someone pulled up at my job in a brand new black marauder. One guy was telling me they all thought it was me since it is all i talk about. Unfortunately it was not me and by the time i got to work the car was gone so i didnt even see it.

back to topic... i think this is a good site for info, meeting enthusiasts. So I hope it continues. Maybe some of the admin duties should be spread around to keep the load off one man. I guess this has all been said before, but it is worth saying again.

[Patrick]

Your Locall drunk is partly responsible for this! Sorry Logan!

But this Web site, Group or what I like to call my semi-dissfunctional second famaliy. I Hope this famaly will stay in place!! You are all special to me! THANK YOU!!!!

[merc406]

Life is Short, lets share in it and have alittle fun!!



Be nice.............Nuff said.......

[Joe Walsh]

1. Buy new Marauder
2. Want to make it faster
3. Check websearch..but somehow don't find MM.net
4. Start modifying my MM on my own
5. Don't know ANY other MM owners
6. Finally find MM.net!!!!
7. EUREKA!!!
8. Great Site, Great people, Great information, GREAT FUN!!!
9. Have lots of new friends and am addicted to MM.net
10. Logan, PLEASE keep this site 'ALIVE'... WE can make it work!
I've never seen another site with such good (mature) people who are helpful, conciencious and DON'T jump on anyone with a simple/newbie question.....Hope this isn't the end. Joe

[Blue03]

I'd hate to see this great site shut down. It helped me reach my buy decision and the technical stuff is super. Where else can you find this much info and access to mods specific to our car(s)? Self governing would be great if it didn't pose a large burden on the those who had to do it. I like a 3 strikes an your out thing as anyone can make a mistake once. 2 starts to indicate a pattern and 3 may expose a perpensity for abhorant behavior. Maybe the reputation points thing could be adapted (I have no idea how much trouble some programing like that would be) to have the members self police bad or inappropriate posters. The third strike and your off the site with the only appeal to an special administrator if at all. Well that's probably too complicated and may not work but it's a thought. At any rate when all is said and done it still should be Logan's Rules or Bye! Maybe some folks can step up to help during Logans crunch time. I hope something will work out to keep things open. But if not, thanks to all for helping me explore and enjoy the MM world so far! Cheers

[cruzer]

Logan, thanks to you and this web site , my life has changed dramatically--I am happier, having more fun and have met SO MANY new FRIENDS--I now look forward to the nightly check of the web and the Wed nite Chats--sometimes people do not realize what far-reaching the results of their actions can be and how many lives they will effect. Responsibility for your actions is something that is learned--and should be rigidly enforced. Do what you have to do-- I will always be thankful for the past 2 yrs, Maury

[Bigdogjim]

Logan: I have been watching with great instrest what is beening posted to this thread.

Shut down? No not the answer. You punish the vendors who help pay the bills. Not a smart move.You also alienate good members.

Take out the trash! March it to the curb.

Since any "issues" first arose Logan you have threaten to close account(s). You will from time to time post threads stating that you are "tired" of the crap. From where I sit you do nothing other than blow off steam! Logan you are very fond of saying that it is your web site, all yours. Well run it! Put an end to the problem members. How many can their be?

Logan you can't sit on top with all the buttons and complain that your life is getting stressed out due to the web site and hope people will wake up? Do something, anything to help YOURSELF. No one else can do this. Your sandbox, your playground, your backyard, etc, etc......

Take control.

Old saying "It's lonely at the top"

Real hard fact of the matter is you can NOT be EVERYONES friend.

I know in my heart the membership will respect your actions. Key word here is RESPECT not agree. (Your not running for office, YOU own the place)

The membership can not self-moderate. It will never work. Someone has to be the the BOSS.

Questions? Comments? Anyone? 609.672.6809 I am around pick up a phone!

24/7/365 Rust never sleeps, niether do I!

Big Dog

[Petrograde]

wow,.. well Logan, I guess I can't blame you. What started off as a fun project is becoming a full blown PITA. I'd hate to see this site go, but maybe Mac has a good point with the 7 day shut down.

In the event that you do shut this down, could you PLEASE give us enough time so I can cut and paste all the tech stuff i need? :help:

[jstevens]

Logan,

Thank you for the wonderful place for all of us to gather. We are mostly grown men who should not behave badly.

Yes, please give notice if you decide to shut down, but I would also like to endorse the 3 strikes your out rule.

This may be a proper way to police the site.
It would be a PITA for you to however maintain who has how many strikes.
That said, lets all act like big boys. Remember, as your mother or someone else said. If you don't have anything nice to say than don't say anything at all.

[MikesMerc]

A group can indeed self moderate. Its been done before. The key is a zero tolerance policy. One warning, do it again, and you're gone gone....period.

Very simple rules....no personal flaming. Healthy debates yes, personal attacks no.

If Logan doesn't have time to monitor every situation (which is completely undertsandable), then 2 or 3 key moderators need to be assigned. The Mods report to Logan who ultimately sets the tone and calls the shots.

This is NOT an impossible plan. I co-own a website myself that has healthy traffic and busy forums. The zero tolerance works.

Shutting down the whole site temporarily will not help. The abusers will not be purged. As someone said above...take out the trash! Eliminate the headaches.

[Bradley G]

Logan, I read all the replies to this post last night I did'nt have any thing different to add.Word can't describe how valuable this site has been for me.The people I have had the fortune to meet, especially you! The places (events) I have discovered,and attended.The info and enthusiasem that the members here is unbegod believible!I hope and pray the pleasure you recieve from this site (this is Your creation, your people, your club,You can do with what you will.)far exceeds any grief you get.I love my MM, this site (members)and last but not least you for your brilliance,creativity and Authority!
Thanks for every thing!! Your MM buddy Bradley G.:up:

[jgc61sr2002]

It always seems like there are a few who don't know how to act. IMO They should be weeded out.

Logan - I truly love this site and look foward to view and participart on a daily basis. Some of us myself included would be at a great loss if you shut the site down



Logan - I will respect your decision.

[Rep12]

We could save Logan a lot of trouble by not bothering him or crying to him everytime you read something you don't like. I've never seen such a bunch of cry babies and rats. Like little snitches from our school days. " Logan, Logan he said something I didn't like or agree with please ban him." Please........grow up people, if you don't like what someone has to say, so what. Next time don't read their post, that's all. You don't have to go running to the boss to tell on them.:shake:

:twocents:

:bigcry: :nono: :puke: :fishslap:

Totally agree, there, S/C. The only reply that's made any sense so far. What a bunch!

I met you in W.B. at the car show. Hope all is well with you.

Dave

[MAD-3R]

We could save Logan a lot of trouble by not bothering him or crying to him everytime you read something you don't like. I've never seen such a bunch of cry babies and rats. Like little snitches from our school days. " Logan, Logan he said something I didn't like or agree with please ban him." Please........grow up people, if you don't like what someone has to say, so what. Next time don't read their post, that's all. You don't have to go running to the boss to tell on them.:shake:

:twocents:

:bigcry: :nono: :puke: :fishslap:

It's not a case of snitching or running to Loagn saying "Look what he said." It about respecting other people and not attacking them or putting derogetory statments up for the world to see. I do agree that people need not to be so thin skinned, but others need to exercise some self censorship about what they post.

[SHERIFF]

If Logan doesn't have time to monitor every situation (which is completely undertsandable), then 2 or 3 key moderators need to be assigned. The Mods report to Logan who ultimately sets the tone and calls the shots.





Hasn't this been tried before? They were actually paid for their moderator services. Then, when the money got slim to none, so did the moderator's services to the community.

There's moderators listed on the main forum index screen. How did they let whatever got out of hand......... get out of hand? :confused:

I have been filled in on "whatever happened" finally. The Christmas Tree light subject. What a piss poor excuse for grown men to end up fighting over!

[Shankin]

:revenge: Shutting down the site will only make someone else open another. I think alot of the guys on here cant take teasing!!! It adds a little spice and makes us want to check out and see what going on. Look at how many posts are already on this thread if you dont believe me. Some people just take stuff way to seriously!!!!!

[MM03MOK]

:revenge: Shutting down the site will only make someone else open another. I think alot of the guys on here cant take teasing!!! It adds a little spice and makes us want to check out and see what going on. Look at how many posts are already on this thread if you dont believe me. Some people just take stuff way to seriously!!!!!Whether you call it teasing (to disturb or annoy by persistent irritating or provoking especially in a petty or mischievous way) or libel (a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression), it has no place here.

Think about it. Each one of us has a Button that, when pushed the wrong way, would make us uncomfortable. Don't assume that each person's Button is the same. We're not without our prejudices but we also have feelings. Keep your prejudices to yourself.

People are posting in this thread because they care about the site and our Members, and appreciate the opportunity to rally around the Board. Expressions of hate violence are not the kind of "spice" we need here or will tolerate.

Threads do get out of hand because some posting are only thinking their way is the right way or have no regard for other Members. We all have an obligation, not just the moderators, to tempor adverse remarks. We all have our opinions but also should be accepting of others' opinions. It's all of our responsibility to continue to make this Board the great site.

Some people don't take some stuff seriously enough!

[Fourth Horseman]

Thank you, Dan, for your intent, sorry it turned to *****. Your thread progressed with some very creative ideas, and I added my .02c to it as well. Sadly, it's "closed" now too, and for the same reasons it meant to repair.

I didn't see anything get out of hand in that thread. Did I miss something?

[jakdad]

Totally agree, there, S/C. The only reply that's made any sense so far. What a bunch!

Dave
I resemble Dat!!!

:D :D :D

[MARAUDER S/C #5]

Totally agree, there, S/C. The only reply that's made any sense so far. What a bunch!

I met you in W.B. at the car show. Hope all is well with you.

DaveThanks Dave, I'm glad someone here understands. :bows:
Everything is extremly well on this end, hope things are well with you.

[firstmarauder]

Boy that we give new meaning to the term "geographically undesirable."

This is actually my first post on this site although I have been a member quite a while. I must say that it was a great feeling 2 years ago when I got my MM, to come to my car after a long days work and to find that the paper under the wiper blade was not a ticket but an invite from MartyO to this site. Where else do you have complete strangers w/o even meeting, invite you to be part of anything.Most of us here are here bec. we have something in common, that we share. So dont let a few people unworthy of this site destroy it. Keep the site going and maybe we can convince Mercury to come out with a better and badder model in '06

Good Luck

David

[GodOSpeed]

I too am in the dark on this subject at hand. I would like to say that I love this site and the comrodery that it instills. I am proud to be a member of this illustrious group of fine individuals here. Personally I may not post much but that might be the key. ONLY POST IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING WORTHWHILE TO CONTRIBUTE!
my 2 cents on being a 2%er!

[martyo]

:revenge: Shutting down the site will only make someone else open another. I think alot of the guys on here cant take teasing!!! It adds a little spice and makes us want to check out and see what going on. Look at how many posts are already on this thread if you dont believe me. Some people just take stuff way to seriously!!!!!

This man is a sage!!

[martyo]

This is actually my first post on this site although I have been a member quite a while. I must say that it was a great feeling 2 years ago when I got my MM, to come to my car after a long days work and to find that the paper under the wiper blade was not a ticket but an invite from MartyO to this site. Where else do you have complete strangers w/o even meeting, invite you to be part of anything.Most of us here are here bec. we have something in common, that we share. So dont let a few people unworthy of this site destroy it. Keep the site going and maybe we can convince Mercury to come out with a better and badder model in '06

Good Luck

David

Wow Dave good to hear from you. I see your car around from time to time, but I never see you! How have you been?

By the way, be careful about associating yourself with me. These days I seem to be persona non grata in the eyes of some of the button holders around here. :down:

[martyo]

Whether you call it teasing (to disturb or annoy by persistent irritating or provoking especially in a petty or mischievous way) or libel (a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression), it has no place here.

Wow, that's heavy. :awe:


That would mean half of the posts around here would be/should be deleted.

[MarauderMark]

but an invite from MartyO . Where else do you have complete strangers w/o even meeting, invite you to be part of anything.

My first meet was in ny. met bigdog and merc on the way but when we got there we kinda felt outta place at first.But i remember terri telling marty to go over and sit with us and they stayed and talked to us untill we left the restaurant. they didnt have to but they did .Friends!!!!! And where did we meet them from? This site...Me and Peg will never forget that..

[martyo]

Me and Peg will never forget that..

Yep. And I have been trying to shake Mark loose ever since! ;) :P

[ALF]

WOW! If I did not know better I would have thought war was declared here?

I'm out of it? No clue?

[firstmarauder]

Wow Dave good to hear from you. I see your car around from time to time, but I never see you! How have you been?

By the way, be careful about associating yourself with me. These days I seem to be persona non grata in the eyes of some of the button holders around here. :down:


Come and visit. I usually park in front of my building. 4th floor and Im sure Allen would be happy to see you.

[firstmarauder]

Come and visit. I usually park in front of my building. 4th floor and Im sure Allen would be happy to see you.

And you gotta see what its like taking a call in a Marauder.

[Agent M79]

Logan,


I am one man. I started this site to meet new Marauder owners, a place where people can learn and share their experiences with their cars in a forum free of the pettiness, flames and derogatory behavior that in general is allowed on other forums.That's quite a noble ideal and a positive objective. I think that in a broad manner you have achieved your goal. I have met Marauder owners and shared ideas and experiences relating to the car and then some. If I have, certainly you have.

I think the hundreds, if not thousands, of messages that garner no "controversial" attention is testment to the fact that this discourse that you have facilitated is routinely conducted in a manner that does not cause you to contemplate destroying the medium in which it occurs.


Recently, members here have taken it upon themselves to attack other members for their own personal reasons and generally create angst, mistrust, imply deception or ill-doing by the administrators of this site, question sexual preferences and generally make complete *******s of themselves.I hope you mean "some members" because, again, the vast majority of people conduct themselves well inside even the most sensitive persons comfort range.


This behavior and conduct is well beyond what is tolerable and what I consider appropriate behavior for this site. I will NOT be a part of a website where this type of behavior exists.It takes a special kind of sickness to be part of something voluntarily that subjects you to things that persistently and consistently create personal turmoil.

It would be especially twisted to be part of something voluntarily that creates such turmoil when you have the ability and talent to change it into something rewarding and pleasant but choose not to.


I am currently on the receiving end of a number of complaints regarding the above. I've asked countless times for it to end and for people to get back to the basics of friendship and enjoying these cars. While I do expect the odd bit of strife to erupt now and again, lately, it's been a constant drain.People are people and you are right, conflcts will occur. Some people have strong opinions and differing experiences and there will be some discourse.

You keep getting new members all the time and I'd expect that there is probably one out of every new group of members that needs to be given a stern "talking too". If this is what you mean by "countless", then there is no avoiding it. Pack it in cause they ain't gonna stop coming.

If you mean you've addressed the same individual(s) "countlessly", that's your own fault. Can't blame the membership for the frustation you've created for yourself in that instance.


I'm under a enormous amount of stress personally and professionally right now and quite honestly don't need, nor will I tolerate this abuse. I hope that the stress and pressures of your life subside and you can find peace there. I think a lot of people can relate to such pressures. I also know that the more stressed some people become, the less they can compatmentalize the stress and it all tangles up into one big mess.

If it were only mm.net alone on your stress-o-mometer, I wonder if you'd really be contemplating shutting it down?


Here's what's unequivocably going to happen.

If the personal battles being waged via my site are continued, the entire website is going to be shut down indefinately and will revert to an archived mode where no participation is allowed and only thread review will be possible.One of the "countless warning" scenarios I commented on above is going to occur consistently as new members come on. Statistics indicate a certain civil-to-jackass ratio and the web and mm.net are not immune. In fact, we may be more prone to a greater jackass ratio because it is the web. If you can't deal with those people as they reveal themselves, then I guess we are at the end of mm.net. This would be a hassle brought on by the nature of human beings, and I would understand your unwillingness to stand at that gate. You don't have to.

If you continue to repeatedly warn the same people "countlessly" enough that it consumes you to the point that the solution for you to find peace is to shut it all off, then I guess we are at the same place: Bye bye mm.net. This would be a hassle of your own creation that cleary has a solution. You just may be unwilling to apply the solution. You don't have to.



I will not allow what I've created or myself to be manipulated. I do this because I enjoy it, not because I'm obligated.

Right now and for the past month, I've hated even opening my web browser.

So, like I said, either it stops or the site will close indefinately. You're all in MY house. Don't think I won't kick y'all out and lock the door just to get some peace and quiet.It won't stop. I've already pointed out why.

Keep in mind that while you make your decision on this, as it is clearly not our decision, that you can have the ideal and positive objective that you set forth in the beginning of your message because you largely already do.

Look through your member list. Count the people who have brought value to you personally. Count the ones that who, at the very least, exist here that you've never given a thought too but enjoy using this site every day. It means something to a lot of people whom you never have spoken too, read the messages of, or shared PM's with.

Look through the 10's? 100's? of thousands of messages. If you can, count the words "help", "thanks", and "friend". Look at the threads that have long lives that pass cleanly under the frustration radar and add value to what you have done here.

Compare all of those things and the frequency in which they occur and count the number of members that contibuted to that against the number of messages and members that frustrate you to this point.

Harsh as this may be for me to say, and I am sure that for those that know me understand I don't give advice like this without serious conviction, here is my advice:

You already have the website forum you want. Its problems, as you have specified them here, are derived from your own unrealistic expectation that discourse and strife will not ever occur from newcomers and from people you yourself have identified as contributing to your frustration that you refuse to prune.

You, sir, and I say this as respectfully as one can say it, need to get over yourself.


Make your decision so I can make mine.I have. I'll be back tomorrow. Hell... who am I kidding? I'll be back 20 times tonight and 100 times tomorrow. Logan willing.

[marauder307]

Logan,

That's quite a noble ideal and a positive objective. I think that in a broad manner you have achieved your goal. I have met Marauder owners and shared ideas and experiences relating to the car and then some. If I have, certainly you have.

I think the hundreds, if not thousands, of messages that garner no "controversial" attention is testment to the fact that this discourse that you have facilitated is routinely conducted in a manner that does not cause you to contemplate destroying the medium in which it occurs.

I hope you mean "some members" because, again, the vast majority of people conduct themselves well inside even the most sensitive persons comfort range.

It takes a special kind of sickness to be part of something voluntarily that subjects you to things that persistently and consistently create personal turmoil.

It would be especially twisted to be part of something voluntarily that creates such turmoil when you have the ability and talent to change it into something rewarding and pleasant but choose not to.

People are people and you are right, conflicts will occur. Some people have strong opinions and differing experiences and there will be some discourse.

You keep getting new members all the time and I'd expect that there is probably one out of every new group of members that needs to be given a stern "talking too". If this is what you mean by "countless", then there is no avoiding it. Pack it in cause they ain't gonna stop coming.

If you mean you've addressed the same individual(s) "countlessly", that's your own fault. Can't blame the membership for the frustation you've created for yourself in that instance.

I hope that the stress and pressures of your life subside and you can find peace there. I think a lot of people can relate to such pressures. I also know that the more stressed some people become, the less they can compatmentalize the stress and it all tangles up into one big mess.

If it were only mm.net alone on your stress-o-mometer, I wonder if you'd really be contemplating shutting it down?

One of the "countless warning" scenarios I commented on above is going to occur consistently as new members come on. Statistics indicate a certain civil-to-jackass ratio and the web and mm.net are not immune. In fact, we may be more prone to a greater jackass ratio because it is the web. If you can't deal with those people as they reveal themselves, then I guess we are at the end of mm.net. This would be a hassle brought on by the nature of human beings, and I would understand your unwillingness to stand at that gate. You don't have to.

If you continue to repeatedly warn the same people "countlessly" enough that it consumes you to the point that the solution for you to find peace is to shut it all off, then I guess we are at the same place: Bye bye mm.net. This would be a hassle of your own creation that cleary has a solution. You just may be unwilling to apply the solution. You don't have to.


It won't stop. I've already pointed out why.

Keep in mind that while you make your decision on this, as it is clearly not our decision, that you can have the ideal and positive objective that you set forth in the beginning of your message because you largely already do.

Look through your member list. Count the people who have brought value to you personally. Count the ones that who, at the very least, exist here that you've never given a thought too but enjoy using this site every day. It means something to a lot of people whom you never have spoken too, read the messages of, or shared PM's with.

Look through the 10's? 100's? of thousands of messages. If you can, count the words "help", "thanks", and "friend". Look at the threads that have long lives that pass cleanly under the frustration radar and add value to what you have done here.

Compare all of those things and the frequency in which they occur and count the number of members that contibuted to that against the number of messages and members that frustrate you to this point.

Harsh as this may be for me to say, and I am sure that for those that know me understand I don't give advice like this without serious conviction, here is my advice:

You already have the website forum you want. Its problems, as you have specified them here, are derived from your own unrealistic expectation that discourse and strife will not ever occur from newcomers and from people you yourself have identified as contributing to your frustration that you refuse to prune.

You, sir, and I say this as respectfully as one can say it, need to get over yourself.

I have. I'll be back tomorrow. Hell... who am I kidding? I'll be back 20 times tonight and 100 times tomorrow. Logan willing.

Thank God! The voice of reason speaks at last!

I find a parallel here, in this thread, to the debate on "drive vs. keep in garage". If you're gonna take your website out into the world, Mr. Mcleod, it's gonna come back to the garage with some mud on it. If you're conscientious about taking care of it, hose out the mud, put a fresh coat of wax on it periodically, and take it back out and enjoy it. If not, then let it become a very large black paperweight---still shiny and fresh, but never destined to really be used. And a website---or car, for that matter---never used, is wasted.

Agent is absolutely correct. I would add to his remarks that this sort of thing is becoming repetitive---every few months, somebody else proves themselves capable of tweaking you somehow, and we all get to hear another spiel. First it was Menace; and to hold up your attitude for some inspection, he tweaked you so much that you let him back in with a different signon months later. Then it was LML; I can honestly report that he still doesn't like you, but rather than make a fuss, he decided "to hell with it" and moved on. Then it was me...and I supported you, when Menace and LML dropped explosively out of the picture. You've yet to make clear how I garnered your "wrath", but me being the tolerant soul that I am, I let it drop. I've often said that my car runs as much on the information presented in your website as it does on the 93 octane that goes in the tank. But if I have to put up with a cyber-he-diva to get to that information, I should let you know, Mr. Mcleod, that my patience with such behavior is drastically limited.

You've said, ad nauseum, how it's your website and you make the rules. Fine...your website...but what happens when you've driven everybody away with this hit-or-miss attitude of yours? Guess it really WILL be your website, then...

Enough. See ya.

[buckyboy]

understanding that this site was started by logan, im sure he looks to it as his "baby".I have owned businesses, i need to say the following. Not knowing the dynamics behind what the problems are, i can only comment on what logan wrote. Sometimes its better to quit while your ahead. Your family situation and personal life always comes first, and it sounds like you are stresed out. I dont know if this site earns you a income, if so, sell it. If not sell it anyway, im sure someone will want it. Then you could still be involved, but not be responsable for the administration of it. Sell it, and focus on the important things in life....guys, its only a car...cmon....its not worth your happiness, or lack there of ....

[MikesMerc]

Those who have never run a website with heavily active forums have no idea what they are talking about. Although Logan has indeed "gone off" from time to time, anyone who has administrated a site like this can understand. Those that have not run a site like this have no clue how frustrating it is to sign onto DOZENS and DOZENS of emails and PMs DAILY filled with nothing but crying and whining. It wears on you.

Those who think Logan is "going off" about nothing should get off their lazy butts and start their own site if they think its that simple. Frankly, I know right where Logan is at...been there personally. After running my own site for 3 years I finally sold it and became just a figurehead.

That said, Logan getting moderation CAN help. Don't say it doesn't work, because it does if its done right. If you have mods that are not doing the job, replace them. Simple really. And you need not pay anyone anything. There are plenty of level headed folks here who would surely volunteer for duty. Once a zero tolerance policy is adopted, and a few examples are made, there becomes far less poor behavior to police.

Like I said, this process works. Set the tone, lay the ground rules, and issue only 1 warning. Take out the trash. I've done this myself successfully for 3 years on a site with more traffic with a younger (read: less mature) readership, so don't bother trying to tell me otherwise.

[Logan]

...somebody else proves themselves capable of tweaking you somehow, and we all get to hear another spiel.

The "spiels" are quite useful, They solicit advice that I genuinely appreicate, however honest it may be. Running a site of this site is not something for the faint of heart. I actually appreciate your comments, mostly.


First it was Menace; and to hold up your attitude for some inspection, he tweaked you so much that you let him back in with a different signon months later.

Yep, he was an ass. He knows it, only reason he remained after coming back is he's adhered to the spirit of the site, whether or not he agrees with me or likes me, doesn't matter, he doesn't make a pain in the ass of himself nowadays and that's all I ever ask for.


Then it was LML; I can honestly report that he still doesn't like you, but rather than make a fuss, he decided "to hell with it" and moved on.

Uh oh, LML doesn't like me? Whatever, he can join the club and bite me.


Then it was me...and I supported you, when Menace and LML dropped explosively out of the picture. You've yet to make clear how I garnered your "wrath", but me being the tolerant soul that I am, I let it drop.

How gracious of you. At this point, I can't honestly remember why precisely you pissed me off. Most likely being an ass after being asked to stop. Whatever the reason, you've been a good boy since. Doesn't matter how tolerant you are, I reach my limits and when it becomes easier to delete than deal, that's what I do.


But if I have to put up with a cyber-he-diva to get to that information, I should let you know, Mr. Mcleod, that my patience with such behavior is drastically limited.

Insert your favorite Cher song here.


You've said, ad nauseum, how it's your website and you make the rules. Fine...your website...but what happens when you've driven everybody away with this hit-or-miss attitude of yours? Guess it really WILL be your website, then...

Enough. See ya.

Seriously, your input has helped me make some needed decisions.

[Logan]

Those who have never run a website with heavily active forums have no idea what they are talking about. Although Logan has indeed "gone off" from time to time, anyone who has administrated a site like this can understand. Those that have not run a site like this have no clue how frustrating it is to sign onto DOZENS and DOZENS of emails and PMs DAILY filled with nothing but crying and whining. It wears on you.

Those who think Logan is "going off" about nothing should get off their lazy butts and start their own site if they think its that simple. Frankly, I know right where Logan is at...been there personally. After running my own site for 3 years I finally sold it and became just a figurehead.

That said, Logan getting moderation CAN help. Don't say it doesn't work, because it does if its done right. If you have mods that are not doing the job, replace them. Simple really. And you need not pay anyone anything. There are plenty of level headed folks here who would surely volunteer for duty. Once a zero tolerance policy is adopted, and a few examples are made, there becomes far less poor behavior to police.

Like I said, this process works. Set the tone, lay the ground rules, and issue only 1 warning. Take out the trash. I've done this myself successfully for 3 years on a site with more traffic with a younger (read: less mature) readership, so don't bother trying to tell me otherwise.


Amen............

[Logan]

Logan,

That's quite a noble ideal and a positive objective. I think that in a broad manner you have achieved your goal. I have met Marauder owners and shared ................... blah blah blah.... Logan willing.

Seriously agent, While I don't have time to comment in depth, very good input, thanks for taking the time. :up:

[Mr_Tall__One]

All,

I am one man. I started this site to meet new Marauder owners, a place where people can learn and share their experiences with their cars in a forum free of the pettiness, flames and derogatory behavior that in general is allowed on other forums.

It is my belief that this fosters long lasting friendships that we all can value. I've had the pleasure of meeting hundreds and hundred's of mm.net members in person and while a couple of you are weirdo's, the vast majority, I'm proud to call friends.

Recently, members here have taken it upon themselves to attack other members for their own personal reasons and generally create angst, mistrust, imply deception or ill-doing by the administrators of this site, question sexual preferences and generally make complete *******s of themselves.

This behavior and conduct is well beyond what is tolerable and what I consider appropriate behavior for this site. I will NOT be a part of a website where this type of behavior exists.

I am currently on the receiving end of a number of complaints regarding the above. I've asked countless times for it to end and for people to get back to the basics of friendship and enjoying these cars. While I do expect the odd bit of strife to erupt now and again, lately, it's been a constant drain.

I'm under a enormous amount of stress personally and professionally right now and quite honestly don't need, nor will I tolerate this abuse.

Here's what's unequivocably going to happen.

If the personal battles being waged via my site are continued, the entire website is going to be shut down indefinately and will revert to an archived mode where no participation is allowed and only thread review will be possible.

I will not allow what I've created or myself to be manipulated. I do this because I enjoy it, not because I'm obligated.

Right now and for the past month, I've hated even opening my web browser.

So, like I said, either it stops or the site will close indefinately. You're all in MY house. Don't think I won't kick y'all out and lock the door just to get some peace and quiet.

Make your decision so I can make mine.

Logan,

For what its worth,
I was director of Tech support for a Chat program provider i found myself mediating squbbles all the time.

I come here for Info on yall's rauders. I want a newish one but i missed the boat. Maybe I can find a good used one when my wallet is ready
I'm willing to go along and get along.

Hoping you all will help me Rod my "rauder when the time comes.

Jonathan
Mr_Tall__one

[mpearce]

Ok, ok...so what did I miss?? Holy moley!

:popcorn:

-Mat

[Donny Carlson]

So, are all you people who are wringing your hands because some body posted something ON A DIFFERENT SITE THAN THIS, gonna stop hot linking to other sites with photos of ricers or "bling bling" cars, gonna stop laughing, making fun of, and deriding other people's non-MM or non Ford cars on here?

I didn't think so.

[jspradii]

Logan: I have been watching with great instrest what is beening posted to this thread.

Shut down? No not the answer. You punish the vendors who help pay the bills. Not a smart move.You also alienate good members.

Take out the trash! March it to the curb.

Since any "issues" first arose Logan you have threaten to close account(s). You will from time to time post threads stating that you are "tired" of the crap. From where I sit you do nothing other than blow off steam! Logan you are very fond of saying that it is your web site, all yours. Well run it! Put an end to the problem members. How many can their be?

Logan you can't sit on top with all the buttons and complain that your life is getting stressed out due to the web site and hope people will wake up? Do something, anything to help YOURSELF. No one else can do this. Your sandbox, your playground, your backyard, etc, etc......

Take control.

Old saying "It's lonely at the top"

Real hard fact of the matter is you can NOT be EVERYONES friend.

I know in my heart the membership will respect your actions. Key word here is RESPECT not agree. (Your not running for office, YOU own the place)

The membership can not self-moderate. It will never work. Someone has to be the the BOSS.

Questions? Comments? Anyone? 609.672.6809 I am around pick up a phone!

24/7/365 Rust never sleeps, niether do I!

Big Dog

DITTO pal, DITTO!!!!!!!!!:director:

[Merc-O-matic]

LOGAN,
This is a great net. Thanks for all of your hard work.
I have visited this net DAILY for the past
15 months. We all love our Marauder's.....
and this net is the glue which holds us together.
The info on this net is priceless!

......you are under alot of stress, i.e.
job, move and extra work. Sell the net or
shut it down for a week or two (during the move)
Everyone needs a vacation from time to time.
We will all be here when you get back.
You might want to check out a "Garden Party" (Ricky Nelson 1973)
Good Luck! :sunshine:

Gotta Love It!

[MARAUDER S/C #5]

Yep, he was an ass. He knows it, only reason he remained after coming back is he's adhered to the spirit of the site, whether or not he agrees with me or likes me, doesn't matter, he doesn't make a pain in the ass of himself nowadays and that's all I ever ask for.

:whistle:................

[Logan]

Well said Menace, well said. :up:

[MARAUDER S/C #5]

First it was Menace; and to hold up your attitude for some inspection, he tweaked you so much that you let him back in with a different signon months later.
:neener: ........................

[martyo]

So, are all you people who are wringing your hands because some body posted something ON A DIFFERENT SITE THAN THIS, gonna stop hot linking to other sites with photos of ricers or "bling bling" cars, gonna stop laughing, making fun of, and deriding other people's non-MM or non Ford cars on here?

I didn't think so.

Thanks Donny!

I would've said the same thing except that would have triggered a bunch of e-mails from some alias coward who was afraid to "step up" and be identified. And, then I would have gotten a number of e-mails or calls from folks who don't want to be my friend anymore based on what they think is the whole story....

[TAF]

Ya know what this thread needs......



































MORE COWBELL!!!!!!
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[buckyboy]

interesting....read my post...[QUOTE=MikesMerc]. After running my own site for 3 years I finally sold it and became just a figurehead.

[MapleLeafMerc]

We could save Logan a lot of trouble by not bothering him or crying to him everytime you read something you don't like. I've never seen such a bunch of cry babies and rats. Like little snitches from our school days. " Logan, Logan he said something I didn't like or agree with please ban him." Please........grow up people, if you don't like what someone has to say, so what. Next time don't read their post, that's all. You don't have to go running to the boss to tell on them.:shake:

:twocents:

:bigcry: :nono: :puke: :fishslap:

I agree. If I wanted Barney.com, I'd look for it. Lots of places like this have a separate 'room' where contentious issues (aside from the main topic) are allowed. Jeez, Are feelings that fragile here?

[martyo]

Are feelings that fragile here?

Apparently.

[Silver_04]

Oy, this thing is still alive? We’re kinda in a pickle over this one aren’t we? We’re debating what to do regarding posts from forum members on other sites. How the hell do you police that, and why would you want to?

We’re supposed to be grown people capable of our own thoughts and decisions. Form your own judgment and move on. I’ve got a handful o’ people on here I don’t like and you know what… I IGNORE them. As badly as I want to post I refrain because I realize it’s just the friggin internet and I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It’s a good train of thought. I’d recommend to many: buy a ticket and take a ride.

But hey, the penny jar is full with everyone’s two cents on this one and the proverbial dead horse has been beat into an unidentifiable pulp at this point. What’s the decision going to be; are people gonna get walked or we going to grow some skin ignore those that we think are a**es?

[RCSignals]

Oy, this thing is still alive? We’re kinda in a pickle over this one aren’t we? We’re debating what to do regarding posts from forum members on other sites. How the hell do you police that, and why would you want to?



Have you followed it all? Unfortunately it isn't as simple as that.

Also unfortunately it is a very few spoiling things for all the rest. This isn't the focus we should have

[Silver_04]

Have you followed it all? Unfortunately it isn't as simple as that.

Also unfortunately it is a very few spoiling things for all the rest. This isn't the focus we should have

Yep, I've been here since the beginning-saw the other forum the first night a post was made. I'm just wondering what else can be said at this point.

Sorry chief, but it's pretty simple: this all started on another website. Example: let's say another MM/Vette owner is a member of this site and a Vette site. I visit both sites too. The other member posts things about me on the Vette site. I wouldn't expect any action at all to be taken on behalf of MM.net. Why should MM.net get involved at all?

And of course this isn't the focus the site should have, that's why I'm asking what's going to be done so we can put this behind us. What a pity waste of bandwidth.

[marauderbug]

My first meet was in ny. met bigdog and merc on the way but when we got there we kinda felt outta place at first.But i remember terri telling marty to go over and sit with us and they stayed and talked to us untill we left the restaurant. they didnt have to but they did .Friends!!!!! And where did we meet them from? This site...Me and Peg will never forget that..

A little late to post my response, but Marty and I enjoyed meeting and talking to you and Peg too. "Friends" I like that.

We hope you are both well. :hug2:

[RCSignals]

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Sorry chief, but it's pretty simple: this all started on another website. Example: let's say another MM/Vette owner is a member of this site and a Vette site. I visit both sites too. The other member posts things about me on the Vette site. I wouldn't expect any action at all to be taken on behalf of MM.net. Why should MM.net get involved at all?



As I said, it's not that simple. It also doesn't seem to be that innocent.

Your example isn't what the scenario was. Still very few sites tolerate that sort thing from members, which inevitably results in what we have witnessed.

[Bigdogjim]

As I said, it's not that simple. It also doesn't seem to be that innocent.

Your example isn't what the scenario was. Still very few sites tolerate that sort thing from members, which inevitably results in what we have witnessed.

RC: You are on target here. Many are responding to what they know. I feel their are only a "few" that know the whole story here. Either way this issue has taken on a "life" of it's own.

Growing pains? Maybe that is a fair tag line right now?

Still I feel the truth will come out in the end.

Love all serve all!

[Silver_04]

As I said, it's not that simple. It also doesn't seem to be that innocent.

Your example isn't what the scenario was. Still very few sites tolerate that sort thing from members, which inevitably results in what we have witnessed.

Turn off the parental options on your browser. I can think of three automotive web sites that allow the behavior witnessed on the other forum. If MM.net is going to have an active interest in what I post on other boards, I have no interest in being here any longer.

You're definately not going to change my view on this nevermind you have no idea what I know about this nor do you know where I stand on this issue.

Gotta update the ignore list again.

[Patrick]

This thread is making me dizzy. And I dont help in that departmant right now!! Can we end this or sumtin??? Or bring it out in the open?? My point is I have been trying to follow this thread but keeps asking questions with no answers. My 2 cents is that if we lef the rumors and everything going its now going to solve anything. Its a problem that is just going to sit and fester!!!

Chris please explain about other web sites monitering us or vice versus??? Or what??? I would hate to see you leave!!!!!!!

[RCSignals]

.............................. ....... please explain about other web sites monitering us or vice versus??? Or what??? I would hate to see you leave!!!!!!!

Patrick, no sites are monitoring each other or posts. That isn't it at all.

If you don't know what happened or transpired it's probably best to just leave it that way

[Bluerauder]

A little late to post my response, but Marty and I enjoyed meeting and talking to you and Peg too. "Friends" I like that.

We hope you are both well. :hug2:
marauderbug,
On a positive and upbeat note, I'd like to say that marauderbug's avatar is one really nice photo. Of course, that is only my opinion. :D

[MM03]

If you don't know what happened or transpired it's probably best to just leave it that way (post by Rcsignals)

We are all members here and if the site is going to be shut down we should know what brought this to a head.

[duhtroll]

I find some of the comments here disturbing. Some people are actually defending their "right" to be an ass. I see this more and more often nowadays.

Well, you don't have that right - not here, and not in public. Other sites may not care so I don't think we should be talking about them. However, Logan and other mods have said "no more of this crap," and people keep typing away.

Some say that's human nature, and I would agree. I would also agree they should expect to be thrown off the site for behaving in such a way.

There are several people on this site who type things that they would never say to someone's face, because it might result in a broken nose were it said FTF. Welcome to the "anonymity" of the 'net.

I have to agree with Mary. If you don't know how to behave in public, then go somewhere else.

This goes far beyond this one site. If you choose to be a jerk, then the only people that will tolerate you are other jerks.

Enjoy.

-A

[MM03MOK]

marauderbug,
On a positive and upbeat note, I'd like to say that marauderbug's avatar is one really nice photo. Of course, that is only my opinion. :DI agree....and maybe that's a sign for all of us - the transformation and rebirth of the caterpillar into a beautiful butterfly. Thank you, Terri.

[MAD-3R]

I have made a comment on this at one time, but now I need to address some things.

The fact that this site IS on the web, it means that we will see people come here just to cause trouble, and they will need to be removed. They don’t normally last long because Logan has the ban function as the biggest key on his keyboard. Personally, I like that. It keeps things nice and polite so that we can enjoy the company of friends we have made both on-line, and off. Yet his banning isn’t the end all and be all, as Menace demonstrates. Play by his rules and enjoy his site.

We have had some very lively discussions that were kept polite and on topic. These have been on everything from car related things like oil’s and Supercharger types to normally hot potato issues such as religion and politics. Granted we have had some of these degrade and fly off topic, but for the most part they have been well done. Again, keep things polite and on topic and enjoy his site.

A thread wanting to know who sent out Spam e-mail to a number of members caused this latest rant. This is the second time this has happened. The first time, a person did this to solicit sales for a low quality t-shirt. This time it was sent with a link to forum on a different site. Who sent it is unknown, and the motivation is only partially known. The fact that it was sent was wrong, but what I saw over there, and the comments made by well-known and well-respected members here was far more disturbing then getting yet another piece of Spam.

When Martyo posted the image of Zacks grill with a comment that he didn’t care for it, that was fine and appropriate. But then TAF’s comment was a direct and personal attack on him, and way out of bounds. And things went down hill from there when TMF chimed in with his photo-shop of the grill. These people continued to bash and degrade a man for being creative, and trying something new and different. So you didn’t like it. Fine, no problem. But don’t attack a man for trying.

I have met all three of these men in person while at the Texas meet, and that’s what confused me. I thought when Martyo posted his thread here about the “mad-Spammer” that someone had gone to the other site, created 4-5 names duplicating names here, and posted under those names to make it look like an attack by them. I was reading it, saying to myself. “No way TAF would say that, and Martyo isn’t that petty.” Then I did a search on the sight, and find out that Martyo is a semi regular poster there.

And that’s when I lost respect for these two men I have talked to, met in person, wished the best of luck, and worried about.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

[RVT04]

Logan, You Are A Wonderful Human Being And A Friend And Neighbor, I Have The Greatest Respect For Your Values And They Are Reflected In This Website
Values Determine Behavior
Behavior Determines Reputation
There Is Noone That Can Change Or Tarnish Either Your Values Or Your Reputation And Likewise Only You Can Change Your Behavior
Do Not Give The Ner Do Wells In This World The Power To Direct Your Quest For The Right Stuff
Keep On Keepin' On Man
I Love You
Rvt04- Both Of Us

[Dennis Reinhart]

I have set back and watched this go on now for the past two days, the bottom line is, There only a handful of really good sites on the Internet, this is one of the best, and the reason for that is Logan does not allow the petty crap that is allowed on a LOT of other sites, just take five minutes and go look at the other sites, you will clearly see we are very lucky to have this site,

I do not want to make any one angry if you do not like the way the site is run then start your own, any ones personal life is just that personal and private, personal attacks are just that, no matter what the subject matter is. I thought this club was like a big family, the times we have all gotten together at Ennis and Indy gives every one a chance to meet the members of this great club, and yes we all have our personality conflicts but that is life, you learn to deal with it and try and do your best, but it seems there are always some people who just like to start trouble and then you find there are those that like to fan the flames of discontent, I have never understood this but trust me I have seen it but never that much on this site.

Why not put some effort into determining how we can remedy this situation and quit the personal attacks and the sarcasm, that I have seen in some of the posts on this thread, again we have one of the best sites out there, and we have a lot of talented members here and we should be able to come together as a majority and stop this, every site has a set of rules or guidelines, some call it terms of service to me if any of the issues cross those guidelines then its self explanatory as to what happens to those members who violate those set guide lines.


If it were not for Logan we would not have this site, so lets think about this, we all want this site to continue to grow, I am looking forward to our next event, and meeeting new members and making new friends.

Dennis A. Reinhart

[BISHOPSS95]

One of the best car sites on the Internet

I'll second that.


Obviously the best revolves around a Chevy, but then again....

:D

Logan Rocks :2thumbs:

[Donny Carlson]

Turn off the parental options on your browser. I can think of three automotive web sites that allow the behavior witnessed on the other forum. If MM.net is going to have an active interest in what I post on other boards, I have no interest in being here any longer.
Exactly! I feel the same way!

I've been posting on other web forums and in newsgroups for years, some of these places have content, language, and behavior that can weld copper pipe.

What has made me seriously consider leaving this site is a mean spirited retaliation has been done by someone on this board that could result in serious financial harm to innocent people/businesses, persons with no dog in this fight. The people threatened are my friends, guilty only of providing a service that the accuser, his/her self, has had performed to his/her car, and who if done the exact same thing to any vendor who performs this work on this site could cause similar harm. That makes me very angry.

There is a definite double standard at work here, which, because it's privately owned and run, I accept and live with. Like Chris, I have an ignore list and just stay away from people who annoy me.

What really amazes me, if you read much on "that other forum" you'll see their members talking smack to each other as a normal course of business, posting pics and insults such that you'd see that the thread over there that has caused the stink here is not out of the ordinary. Cripes, I go on Fark.com every day and they have a feature there where they link to a picture on a site and have their members photoshop it then repost the photoshopped picture. I'd say that practically EVERY DAY there's a photoshopped picture that insults the original picture poster in exactly the way "the other site" thread did.

Man, I think some of you guys have skins thinner than the paint on our cars.

[TAF]

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The fact that this site IS on the web, it means that we will see people come here just to cause trouble, and they will need to be removed. They don’t normally last long because Logan has the ban function as the biggest key on his keyboard. Personally, I like that. It keeps things nice and polite so that we can enjoy the company of friends we have made both on-line, and off. Yet his banning isn’t the end all and be all, as Menace demonstrates. Play by his rules and enjoy his site. <o:p></o:p>

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We have had some very lively discussions that were kept polite and on topic. These have been on everything from car related things like oil’s and Supercharger types to normally hot potato issues such as religion and politics. Granted we have had some of these degrade and fly off topic, but for the most part they have been well done. Again, keep things polite and on topic and enjoy his site.<o:p></o:p>

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A thread wanting to know who sent out Spam e-mail to a number of members caused this latest rant. This is the second time this has happened. The first time, a person did this to solicit sales for a low quality t-shirt. This time it was sent with a link to forum on a different site. Who sent it is unknown, and the motivation is only partially known. The fact that it was sent was wrong, but what I saw over there, and the comments made by well-known and well-respected members here was far more disturbing then getting yet another piece of Spam.<o:p></o:p>

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When Martyo posted the image of Zacks grill with a comment that he didn’t care for it, that was fine and appropriate. But then TAF’s comment was a direct and personal attack on him, and way out of bounds. And things went down hill from there when TMF chimed in with his photo-shop of the grill. These people continued to bash and degrade a man for being creative, and trying something new and different. So you didn’t like it. Fine, no problem. But don’t attack a man for trying. <o:p></o:p>

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I have met all three of these men in person while at the Texas meet, and that’s what confused me. I thought when Martyo posted his thread here about the “mad-Spammer” that someone had gone to the other site, created 4-5 names duplicating names here, and posted under those names to make it look like an attack by them. I was reading it, saying to myself. “No way TAF would say that, and Martyo isn’t that petty.” Then I did a search on the sight, and find out that Martyo is a semi regular poster there. <o:p></o:p>

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And that’s when I lost respect for these two men I have talked to, met in person, wished the best of luck, and worried about.<o:p></o:p>

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You should be ashamed of yourselves.<o:p></o:p>

<o:p></o:p>

What I don't understand is the misdirected anger here...as well as the hypocrisy. Do a search for this site…pick a word….let’s say the word is “gay”. Do it….you’ll get dozens of threads…and you know what a LOT of them are…they are links to threads at other sites with pics/descriptions of folks cars that are soundly attacked by folks here. Be they “ricers” or Marauders with gull-wing doors. Even the owner of the site has used the term towards another car’s styling…. click (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12589&highlight=gay).

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That would be the same owner of this site who is famous for saying “take it off my board”. I wasn't a party to anything going on on this board. Whatever happens on other boards…happens. Am I ashamed of anything I’ve said, wrote, spoken over biscuits at Cracker Barrel….naw….not a thing.

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Ya see…I’ve been a member of the recently mentioned board for quite some time. Most of us show up there as a “newbie” with very few posts because the site had a major crash a month or so ago, and everyone had to sign up again. Yep…I enjoy that site, like I do this one…but for different reasons. I’ve been to the track with a lot of those folks…hung-out at the shop with them, and have received help from them. Is it “R-rated”?…You bet. It has a much different “flavor” than here. But be that as it may….what I do off this site either in my personal/professional life or any other aspect of it, is really nobody's business here. That is until a certain individual, with computer savvy and a hankerin for “smilies’ and "stalking tactics" like looking up personal info about members here that they are obsessed with and scaring them with "anniversary notes" of deceased family memebers...decided to right click on an unusual “smilie” that was posted/used here and followed the "Properties". Ya see…this individual has a close relationship with one of the couple of folks here that I have no love-lost for…and what do ya know…I watch as one of those individuals signs up for that website. Ya see…that website like this one has a “Who’s Online” feature where you can watch what folks are looking at/doing. And you don’t need any “special buttons” to do it. I watch as that individual copies the thread title…and that individual who happens to have an existing aol account decides to make everyone aware here of the thread on the other site. Which had never been linked over here. So you all received (as well as I did) an email from OH4300A@aol.com (OH4300A@aol.com). I responded to the email letting the person know by name that they didn’t do the link correctly…which was ultimately fixed and re-sent by them. And I found it interesting that not a select group…but a wide variety of folks from here who are not part of any "outside email list" received this spam/email. Where did that email list come from? And you know what else happened….the same person decided to contact local authorities here to report “crimes” against Federal EPA laws and “if you’d like to catch a bunch of them…be there on October 16<SUP>th</SUP> & 17<SUP>th</SUP>." But…that “thin blue line” doesn’t reach all the way from up north to the south…and there are no violations happening at this innocent business or by it’s innocent employees. And the “wish to remain anonymous” emailer fell on deaf ears. Ya see it’s good to know that folks down here know the truth and can smell a “rat” from 701.82 miles away.

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You or anyone else offended by my comments Phil? Oh well…the personal attacks didn’t start in the last few weeks. They’ve come in the form of emails/PMs and deleted posts aimed at me going way back…that maybe you saw…or didn’t see. Ya see…I don’t keep a 3-ring binder(s) of printed posts before they are deleted from here like some I know.

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So if you or anyone else feels “rath” towards me ‘cause of what I posted on another site….that’s fine. I still stand by what I posted. But, be sure to save some of that anger towards the individual(s) involved in bringing this over to your “family”. And going after innocent people, other Marauder owners and their meets and many of the vendors on this site with their tactics. Be angry at me…but, remember you wouldn’t have known anything about this if someone had not decided to make it public here. No link to that thread was ever posted over here. But some “sleuths’ decided to dig into several layers over there to find it and bring it over here. It’s amazing how jealousy works in some folks.

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Now…I hope a lot of you get to read this post in it’s entirety before the “button pushers” get to delete it or edit it. Then you can each make up your own mind of the events (and there’s more that I haven’t gone into here…and I won’t in order to hopefully ensure this post stays intact.

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Sorry for the long post folks….certainly not my nature. Fire-up that printer there.....

[CRUZTAKER]

I wasn't going to add anything further than my admission to continue to abide, but I cannot stay closed lipped any longer.:banghead:



As I said, it's not that simple. It also doesn't seem to be that innocent.
Your example isn't what the scenario was. Still very few sites tolerate that sort thing from members, which inevitably results in what we have witnessed.

This is so true. For as many folks that do not know what has been transpiring...there are just as many whom know more than what the perpetrators might realize.



I find some of the comments here disturbing. Some people are actually defending their "right" to be an ass. I see this more and more often nowadays.-A

And it continues every third or fourth post, doesn't it?




When Martyo posted the image of Zacks grill with a comment that he didn’t care for it, that was fine and appropriate. But then TAF’s comment was a direct and personal attack on him, and way out of bounds. And things went down hill from there when TMF chimed in with his photo-shop of the grill. These people continued to bash and degrade a man for being creative, and trying something new and different. So you didn’t like it. Fine, no problem. But don’t attack a man for trying.

I have met all three of these men in person while at the Texas meet, and that’s what confused me. I thought when Martyo posted his thread here about the “mad-Spammer” that someone had gone to the other site, created 4-5 names duplicating names here, and posted under those names to make it look like an attack by them. I was reading it, saying to myself. “No way TAF would say that, and Martyo isn’t that petty.” Then I did a search on the sight, and find out that Martyo is a semi regular poster there.

And that’s when I lost respect for these two men I have talked to, met in person, wished the best of luck, and worried about.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I wanted to say something to this extent, and chose not to do so. Thanks Mad3R. To add, attaching a picture of any individual and blatently labeling them, may very well fall into the realm of 'hate crime'. Mocking possesions and creations is one thing, labeling individuals is quite another. Doing so on another site other than our home does not justify the means.

[Big Joe P]

OK, my turn.. Is it really anybodys business what a member here posts on another site? No it's not. BUT if the post on another site personally attacks a respected member here, to the degree that the post in question did, Hell, I want to know about it. If someone here is going to be a vicious, hating, SOB, and ridicule and defame a respected member ON ANOTHER SITE, hell yeah I want to know. Two-faced, back-stabbing, MFers, Haters, should be outed. Maliciously attack on another site, then come back here and pretend to be part of "the family"..... it's a joke... and ALL involved should NEVER be allowed back. Take yer BS to the playground...

[TooManyFords]

OK, my turn.. Is it really anybodys business what a member here posts on another site? No it's not. BUT if the post on another site personally attacks a respected member here, to the degree that the post in question did, Hell, I want to know about it. If someone here is going to be a vicious, hating, SOB, and ridicule and defame a respected member ON ANOTHER SITE, hell yeah I want to know. Two-faced, back-stabbing, MFers, Haters, should be outed. Maliciously attack on another site, then come back here and pretend to be part of "the family"..... it's a joke... and ALL involved should NEVER be allowed back. Take yer BS to the playground...

You know what Joe, we didn't write the rules here, but time and time again Logan has asked us to take whatever difference we have here somewhere else. Do a search for that and see. I don't fault him for it, it's his house and his rules. But in doing so he leaves no alternative other than to go elsewhere to discuss issues. Nothing can be resolved here because of the rules.

Besides, I've taken issues "offline" to be worked out and ya know what? The SPAMMER manages to INCLUDE Logan in the process via email!! Talk about grown up! Sheesh!!

I made a jab at a grill I thought looked gay. I stand by that opinion. So what. Last time I checked, Zack didn't say anything either way so it must have been ok. Maybe we're still cool with each other and can do that and still walk away.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that an awful lot of you live in glass houses. Stop trying to moderate me for what I do elsewhere.

John

[Fourth Horseman]

Somebody wake me when this is all over and the shooting has stopped. :blah: :blah: :blah:

[MAD-3R]

Still not getting it...

The "He said - She said" High School drama gets old. I don't care what was said in Private Messages. They are PRIVATE. E-mail is the same. Private.

But what was said on a PUBLIC forum was wrong. And the argument of "They all do it." is even more child like.

The internet is full of cess-pool websites who's only reason to exist is to bash, burn, tear down, and ridicule. It's the owners right to post anything they want. But it doesn't make it the correct thing to do.

This is where personal responsability for ones action comes into play. But with the ability to sit behind a keyboard, there is no repercutions for ones statments. You can say anything about anyone and not have to worry about who it might hurt. You can post doctored photo's and psudo-legal looking documents to your hearts content, and no one will call you to task.

I am as far from Political correct as one can be. I am a gluton, a hedonist and been known to lie through my teeth streight to people's faces. But I do my damndest to be polite to people when I see them. I have smiled and shook hands with a man I would rather have taken out back and beaten the snot out of, because he was someone elses guest. Some people would call that hypocrital, I call it being polite in public.

And ladies and gentalmen, This is a public place. That other site was a public place.

Remember that.

[Racerx88]

The members who abide by the rules and keep things civil, will always do just that.
:duel:
The members who can't or won't abide by the rules.........well they'll never change.

I think everyone for the most part agrees.

Logan, isn't it about time this thread was put to pasture?

[MAD-3R]

The members who abide by the rules and keep things civil, will always do just that.
:duel:
The members who can't or won't abide by the rules.........well they'll never change.

I think everyone for the most part agrees.

Logan, isn't it about time this thread was put to pasture?


I understand, and somewhat agree with putting the away, but this one needs to die a natural death. We should let anyone and everyone say thier piece.

[BillyGman]

The members who abide by the rules and keep things civil, will always do just that.
:duel:
The members who can't or won't abide by the rules.........well they'll never change.

I think everyone for the most part agrees.

I wish it was that easy, but unfortunately, that's actually an oversimplification on your part. And one of the reasons why it sometimes gets more complicated than that is simply because you get some people who just cannot be happy for a fellow Marauder owner when they hear of an upgrade of some sorts being performed to their car. Instead he/she resorts to jealousy and begins to act spitefull. Unfortunately that's human nature, but nature that doesn't have to be in control of one's actions. However, w/some people it is since they allow it to be.

That's one part of the equation. And then you get others who just can't take a joke, and get all bent out of shape about things. Especially about differences in driving habits, or other things such as that. So instead of simply passing by a thread that they don't care for, they have to be a control freak and start telling others what they should or shouldn't post when that is Logan's job. And then they take it one step further and start whining to Logan about it. But these are just a couple tendencies here. I'll leave it at that.

[FordNut]

My turn...

I do not agree with the actions of some members here in making derogatory remarks about other folks on another board. I can only assume that those remarks were not directed at me, as I refuse to be party to forums which condone such bickering and have not been over there to check it out. As for the effects of those actions to this board, there should have been none. They did as directed and took it somewhere else.

An even worse action was done in retaliation to these folks. First, using a contact information found here to email links to the other website anonymously. If you want to discuss what is going on at other websites, just post it ln a thread like "See what they're saying about Marauders at xyz.net" instead of being sneaky and emailing it anonymously.

The lowest point of the whole sequence of events was the anonymous contact of the police trying to harm innocent bystanders. That is akin to terrorist acts as far as I am concerned. Trying to interfere with a business and the upgrade plans of numerous members who had nothing to do with the original transgression is just wrong.

And I believe the second and third actions in my list are the ones that got Logan drug into the mess, not the first.

So because I do not agree with what some members have done, should I let that affect my relationships with them? Not really. I will never agree with everything ANYBODY does. And I do not expect anybody to agree with everything I do either.

[merc406]

Gee I'm gald this is almost over :seesaw: now let's make-up :high5: and get on with more important things like burnouts or something.......


Just read Gunslingers post, "toy's" are on the way man!

[hitchhiker]

Enough Already!

[FordNut]

Gee I'm gald this is almost over :seesaw: now let's make-up :high5: and get on with more important things like bunouts or something.......
Great idea.

[merc406]

Great idea.


Ahh crap, I just fixed bunout to burnout :lol:

[Logan]

Actually, I'm enjoying seeing the varying view points.

Couple points.

1. I do not know and have no way of knowing where that anonymous email originated from. I do know it was NOT gleaned from any type of access to this site's administrative backend or databases. I also know that the administrative staff here at mm.net had nothing to do with it. I wasn't even included on the list and never received it directly. Moot point as I had no control over it, so it's not an issue for me to deal with.

2. Postings on other websites are none of my business or could I care less about them. Other folks can run their website as they see fit. Not my place to care what people do on other websites, only care about this one. They want to call me a gay fag on another site, fine by me, don't care, probably never see it anyway.

3. This thread has helped highlight the real source of my consternation here. The members I feel I need to ban and remove from this site are multiple long-time members who I personally like and have no problem with. They however, can't stop berating others and generally being asses and are using my site to do it regardless of my requests to stop. So ultimately, I'm procastinating because I don't want to sit here and babysit the damn website while they try and exact their "revenge" or generally get pissy about it.

#3 really is to the heart of the matter. Banning members who've been around for years and are heavy, valuable particpators in the community sucks. I don't like doing it or dealing with the aftermath of other members who'll be pissed as a result. I've gone above and beyond affording every opportunity to them, but ultimately the promises I get from them are worthless usually after about a week, usually less.

So, I guess I really should just get to it and stop procastinating. Obviously everything I've said to these folks has fallen on deaf ears anyway.

Sigh...

[Slowpoke]

I say, ban the bastards so we can all move on with our lives. It'lll be a good lesson to anyone that thinks they want to mess with Logan. Screw around in his sandbox and get kicked off. You want to play in another sandbox and say all the hoooeey you want about us, fine, it's a free country. But at least we won't have to see it anymore here.

[Macon Marauder]

good God almighty...

What a mess. I've know some serious stuff was going on for a while but I've been pretty clueless about it. Sometimes by choice. My question:

How did we get to this point?

I went to my first Marauder meet nearly a year ago at Team Ford in Atlanta. I met Todd, Mac, Marty, Bob, Agent, Brian and many others. And it was great. Some of those guys were like celebrities to me. EVERYBODY got along and EVERYBODY had a good time. Then - something changed.

WTH happened?! I noticed several months ago that the sniping really picked up. Innocent posts would get unexpected responses. Someone said they thought the southern Marauders were boycotting Indy. Someone asked how a southern Marauder convoy would find its way to Indy without our fearless leader (which I took to mean Todd.) Maybe that stuff was all in good fun - maybe not. But it felt like something had changed.

I found myself adding more people to my ignore list. I posted very little and went into lurker mode for the most part.

We went to Indy and had a good time. Met some really nice people like Haggis, LadyHawke, Cruzer and others. But it wasn't the same and I felt a little like an outsider. Now this.

Again: How did we get to this point?

The Marauder is a great car and I love mine. This is a great site. But maybe I should start modding my Mustang...

[jaywish]

Well I finally read this thread.

I must say I'm still confused by some of this, but that's ok. Maybe that's better, as so far I still like everybody.

Logan, it's always hard to deal with friends, especially as your circle of friends grows larger and larger.

I can only hope that this thread helps you out, and those that need to get your point have gotten it.

It sure seems from your posts that you are fair to everyone involved by talking to them privately.

I know that all may seem a little "Poly Anna" but anything more than that is up to Logan as he pays the freight.

I'm sure these are not new, but these are my thoughts for those who make life overly difficult.

#1) A secret suspension
#2) A public suspension
#3) Access terminated

I'd really hate to see it come to #2.
#1 I need never know about.

Jay

[Bigdogjim]

Actually, I'm enjoying seeing the varying view points.


3. This thread has helped highlight the real source of my consternation here. The members I feel I need to ban and remove from this site are multiple long-time members who I personally like and have no problem with. They however, can't stop berating others and generally being asses and are using my site to do it regardless of my requests to stop. So ultimately, I'm procastinating because I don't want to sit here and babysit the damn website while they try and exact their "revenge" or generally get pissy about it.

#3 really is to the heart of the matter. Banning members who've been around for years and are heavy, valuable particpators in the community sucks. I don't like doing it or dealing with the aftermath of other members who'll be pissed as a result. I've gone above and beyond affording every opportunity to them, but ultimately the promises I get from them are worthless usually after about a week, usually less.

So, I guess I really should just get to it and stop procastinating. Obviously everything I've said to these folks has fallen on deaf ears anyway.

Sigh...


OK! Now the the issue is put before us.

Logan I said early on do what you must the members will RESPECT you, not all will agree. Your not running for office here.

Best of luck as I know it will not be easy, never is:alone:

[MikesMerc]

#3 really is to the heart of the matter. Banning members who've been around for years and are heavy, valuable particpators in the community sucks. I don't like doing it or dealing with the aftermath of other members who'll be pissed as a result. I've gone above and beyond affording every opportunity to them, but ultimately the promises I get from them are worthless usually after about a week, usually less.

So, I guess I really should just get to it and stop procastinating. Obviously everything I've said to these folks has fallen on deaf ears anyway.

Sigh...

Although this seems like the tough choice to make now, it will inevitably produce huge dividends later on.

Good luck with your choice.

[Petrograde]

What a bummer... I have personally met most all of the folks at the center of all this. I like them all and have done business with two of 'em. I'm not about to take any sides, ... I don't even know the whole story,..

I do know this: If/when Logan starts banning people, the site as a whole will be a bit diminished.

People will always personality conflicts.. I have a wicked one with a co-worker. It happens.

I really, truly hope that everyone here can reach some kind of agreement.

Just a thought,.... put each other on your ignore lists?? I dunno.. just trying to play peacekeeper I guess.

man,..... this sucks.... :(

[SilverStreak]

Did ya'll see that Linda's home from the hospital and doing
well? And Hack's thanks for all the prayers and good will?
To me, That's what this place is about. Hack and Linda needed and still need our support. And Logan is providing
the medium. Thanks Logan.

Darrell

[Bigdogjim]

Although this seems like the tough choice to make now, it will inevitably produce huge dividends later on.

Good luck with your choice.

I see eye to eye with you on this point.

[Hack Goby]

If it wasn`t for this website my shrink bills would be out of site due to the stress factor I have just been through.I have not seen eye to eye with a few people on this site but with any site this will happen.Everyone has been very supportive of Linda and myself(Even people I have had words with before)That I am willing to forgive and forget.Logan do what you half too,But this is still the best website on the internet.

[Krytin]

I have set back and watched this go on now for the past two days, the bottom line is, There only a handful of really good sites on the Internet, this is one of the best, and the reason for that is Logan does not allow the petty crap that is allowed on a LOT of other sites, just take five minutes and go look at the other sites, you will clearly see we are very lucky to have this site,

I do not want to make any one angry if you do not like the way the site is run then start your own, any ones personal life is just that personal and private, personal attacks are just that, no matter what the subject matter is. I thought this club was like a big family, the times we have all gotten together at Ennis and Indy gives every one a chance to meet the members of this great club, and yes we all have our personality conflicts but that is life, you learn to deal with it and try and do your best, but it seems there are always some people who just like to start trouble and then you find there are those that like to fan the flames of discontent, I have never understood this but trust me I have seen it but never that much on this site.

Why not put some effort into determining how we can remedy this situation and quit the personal attacks and the sarcasm, that I have seen in some of the posts on this thread, again we have one of the best sites out there, and we have a lot of talented members here and we should be able to come together as a majority and stop this, every site has a set of rules or guidelines, some call it terms of service to me if any of the issues cross those guidelines then its self explanatory as to what happens to those members who violate those set guide lines.


If it were not for Logan we would not have this site, so lets think about this, we all want this site to continue to grow, I am looking forward to our next event, and meeeting new members and making new friends.

Dennis A. Reinhart

I couldn't have said it better - thanks Dennis!
Paul

[captJ696]

My turn...



The lowest point of the whole sequence of events was the anonymous contact of the police trying to harm innocent bystanders. That is akin to terrorist acts as far as I am concerned. Trying to interfere with a business and the upgrade plans of numerous members who had nothing to do with the original transgression is just wrong.

Darn, I thought BS like this only happen by "haters" on "THE JOB! :duel:

[Montebello]

I would like to suggest that we all practice common respect for one another and stop all derogatory terms and name calling no matter how other people’s taste in cars differ from ours (MM Owners), such as their country of origin/mfg or how they like to fix them up. I think we should just concentrate on how we could make our MMs better and faster.

Thanks for this great site!

[Sactown]

I have no clue what prompted all of this, but the pissing contest is happening in Logans house. Logan, do whatever you need to do...your house, your rules. Most everybody respects that. Those that don't will cease to be.

[SHERIFF]

12 pages and still going in circles........ so I feel I must finally say this and get it off my chest..........

oops, forgot what I was going to say! :D

[Bigdogjim]

Hey no hijacking this thread. :hijack: :baaa:

[merc406]

Anyone think of how boring this place would be without some of the people

that get our blood flowing alittle faster? Since everyone here is a valued

person, ie member, instead of banishing people we should have an Award for

them, since one of "them" could be one of us at any point in time on any

givin discussion.

An Award could be a Box with the name, names posted inside it, placed on

the forum where the offence occured.

Name of the Award, well how about 1. The Septic Sewer Award or 2. The

Hoser Award 3. The Stooge Award or just plain The Penalty Box...... :pill:

Of coarse their has to be a suspension of sorts.



Flame away men, I can take it :lol: :duel: :fishslap:

[Silver_04]

The lowest point of the whole sequence of events was the anonymous contact of the police trying to harm innocent bystanders. That is akin to terrorist acts as far as I am concerned. Trying to interfere with a business and the upgrade plans of numerous members who had nothing to do with the original transgression is just wrong.

I'll give that a big "Hurrumph". I better hear a "Hurrumph" out of every last one of ya!

Anyhow, we all know that double secret probation doesn't work in maintaining order ...we've all seen Animal House :).

[Patrick]

Anyone think of how boring this place would be without some of the people

that get our blood flowing alittle faster? Since everyone here is a valued

person, ie member, instead of banishing people we should have an Award for

them, since one of "them" could be one of us at any point in time on any

givin discussion.

An Award could be a Box with the name, names posted inside it, placed on

the forum where the offence occured.

Name of the Award, well how about 1. The Septic Sewer Award or 2. The

Hoser Award 3. The Stooge Award

Of couarse their has to be a suspension of sorts.



Flame away men, I can take it :lol: :duel: :fishslap:


:flamer: :flamer: :lol: You asked for it!

[Patrick]

Hey no hijacking this thread. :hijack: :baaa:

Maybe too Late!
:wflag: :wflag:

[SHERIFF]

My turn... The lowest point of the whole sequence of events was the anonymous contact of the police trying to harm innocent bystanders.

DaYuM!

I'm not even going to ask!!! :mad2:

[gilby04]

It just occurred to me...
Many years ago, I decided to cultivate a prized "flower" garden.
The "flowers" were chosen based upon their attributes.
Each "flower" was to complement fellow "flowers".
Indeed, a prized, near perfect garden was contemplated.
But, alas, unchosen "flowers" were observed thriving in my garden.
Then it occurrred to me...
How had unchosen "flowers" rooted in my prized garden ?
How could this happen ?
Afterall, I had carefully evaluated each "flower" in detail.
I was confident of error-free selection.
Then it occurred to me...Human intervention had succumbed to natural selection.
I had overlooked the windblown seed, the errant bird dropping, the mutation.
What to do ?
Consider the garden a failure and give up ?
Plow the garden under and start over ?
Then it occurred to me...Cultivation !
Weed out the unchosen, unwanted "flowers", but, at the same time, cultivate some of the unchosen, but nonetheless, complementary "flowers" that may not have been considered initially.
It seems, after these many years, cultivation is necessary to ensure a prized and healthy garden.
Of course, "flower" selection still remains a subjective subject...always administered on a case-by-case, eye-of-the-beholder basis !

[MERCMAN]

After reviewing this thread again, I took notice of the members who have posted, old members, new members, people who have been here a LONG time who have barely posted, to those who have posted well over 1,000 times.
One common thread, they are all passionate about the site and the car. What Logan does or doesn't do is out of our hands. What is in our hands is the ability to keep this site true to its origin, hints, questions, answers and debates about the MM. Not anyones personal agendas, not to see who is the biggest smarta$$, not to try to pierce someone with a sharp word or acidic retorts. Let us come together for the common good of the site, leave your egos at the door and just sit back and enjoy what Logan has created.

It makes me feel good to see the number of people who have posted on this thread some of whom I am clueless as to who they are. These members have come out of the walls to express their feelings about the site and the car. Let the bickering end here and now, for whether your ride is black, blue, silver or DTR, whether it is brand spanking new or a classic, whether your ride is modded to the hilt or bone stock, we are really here for one reason, love of the MM.
What Mercury has joined together, let no man(or woman) put asunder

[RCSignals]

mercman, for a guy who wears red shoes, that was an excellent post!

[martyo]

Has everyone seen Clay's (gunslinger) post on sending stuff for the kids in Iraq?

[the_pack_rat]

Oh well ... looks like I missed yet another ruckus.

I usually try not to get involved when such fit hits the shan around here but ...

I would hate to see this site go by the wayside. In general I think way more GOOD has come from here than bad & I'm sure there are many that feel the same. However, the bottom line is - we do NOT make the decisions & Logan owes no one ANYTHING as far as I am concerned - cept' maybe paying - sponsoring vendors if that$ the ca$e - but this of course' is absolutely NONE of my business cept' Logans & the said vendors themselves.

Bottom line IMHO is this -

Logans' personal life(family - work) is priority number ONE & when something that started off as a fun & leisure appreciation of something ... becomes nothing more than un-wanted stress ... I can fully understand the feeling of wanting to just throw your hands up in the air & say SEE YA.

Hopefully that will NOT happen here ... & this group will get beyond this bump in the road & will still be here for years to come.

A lil' common sense & decency goes a long way. Nothing wrong w/a good debate now & then ... but some things turn into nothing more than mudslinging like most elections for public office so often do. I also see nothing wrong w/some humor thrown in here now & then either ... as long as it's in good fun.

Long story short -

I think this is a great site & Logans' done a great job with it. Maybe it's just time to be a bit more strict on those that keep putting their foots in their mouths ... otherwise you will just drive yourself frickin crazy time & time again.

Much like the old saying "driving is a privilege - NOT a right" ... the same applies here. It's Logans hacienda ... wipe the mud of your feet before you come in - or just stay outside.

My .02

Eric

[cyclone03]

OK 3 days now,I got the email,read the post even looked around the other site.

That stuff,bashing,smashing and flaming gets old,post after post ,after post...

Logan laid down the rules HE wanted for HIS site.
He's seen that stuff too,he may even enjoy it a little ONCE IN A WHILE.
So what happens here?

WE have at least 4 members here ,that I know of,that are FRIENDS of the site.

I'm not sure of this but they MAY even contribute $$ at one time.

THE 4 of them add a lot to this site.
They have been responsible for new products for our cars,they have brought new sponsers ($$).

From Logans post above I have to say they have become HIS friends too,because of the above they seem to have CARTA BLAC on what they can get away with on this site.


The problem as I see it is,the 4 in question add a lot to this site when they are not calling each other names,somebody is a crybaby tattling to Logan,dish it out but can't take it?

How many user post here each mounth? 200-300?How many are a PITA?4?

I'm not ready to start righting checks to support this site,or any site,sorry.But some have,does money give them more freedom then I, YES and you know what thats fine with me.

LOGANS NUMBER ONE RULE on this site is it's HIS! He says it over and over and over and........................... .............................. ....................

Logan don't ask us what you should do,Don't post every three mounths how pissed you are at US over what we post. Just do what YOU want it's YOUR site.

We all know Menace was a PITA but he's back and plays by your rules now.
How many "menace's" are here now only you know.


MY opinion to Logan is this; make a decision and stick with it,or not,it's YOUR site!

My opinion to everybody else who is not a FUROM listed sponser is this; If somebody post something about you or your car you don't like ignor it,just let it go.

My opinion to FORUM sponsers is; do what ever you want on your forum,I think you do anyway.

THIS IS NOT A CLUB,WE DO NOT GET A "VOTE"!
PLEASE DON'T ASK US.

[Bigdogjim]

Well said. I have stated many of the points you have just in other words.

Time to step up to the plate and do what is right. Not for "us" but your self.

[SHERIFF]

This subject drove me over the edge. When I sign on now I have withdrawal pains if there's only one or two new replies in it. I was so looking forwards to it being 6,000 pages long and 200,000 replies. :)

[Patrick]

Just read War and Peace. And this thread is still going on! :wflag: :wflag: People with real problems get less repsonses that people having a p$$#ing CONTEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Can we grow up and move on PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

[Donny Carlson]

Just read War and Peace. And this thread is still going on! :wflag: :wflag: People with real problems get less repsonses that people having a p$$#ing CONTEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Can we grow up and move on PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
There've been only 6 posts so far today (7 if you count this one). It IS winding down, Patrick. Take away yours and mine, it's only 5. This is my last post in this thread, so if those of you can resist a post beseeching this thread stop, maybe it will,

[Dan]

Yes, it is Logan's site and he has been gracious enough to invite us in. To me, that is the point when the comfort of the guest becomes important, especially if you want that guest to stay.

In the frame of reference of a host/guest, Logan is doing well to be open to there being a more clear set of guidelines. :up:

This site is also a community. When people make suggestiongs for changes there are no impure motives. There is no hidden agenda. Almost every suggestion that I have ever heard of or seen for MM.net was with the purist of motives and are suggestions that I think would have a positive impact on the community as a whole. Where is the harm in that?

People who don't care don't do that. They just leave. It is the ones who want to see something good become something great that try to have an impact.

I agree that the bickering and trolling is not needed. However, I feel that Logan is dead on for asking the community to help out more and to come up with a clearer set of rules for it.

-Dan



OK 3 days now,I got the email,read the post even looked around the other site.

That stuff,bashing,smashing and flaming gets old,post after post ,after post...

Logan laid down the rules HE wanted for HIS site.
He's seen that stuff too,he may even enjoy it a little ONCE IN A WHILE.
So what happens here?

WE have at least 4 members here ,that I know of,that are FRIENDS of the site.

I'm not sure of this but they MAY even contribute $$ at one time.

THE 4 of them add a lot to this site.
They have been responsible for new products for our cars,they have brought new sponsers ($$).

From Logans post above I have to say they have become HIS friends too,because of the above they seem to have CARTA BLAC on what they can get away with on this site.


The problem as I see it is,the 4 in question add a lot to this site when they are not calling each other names,somebody is a crybaby tattling to Logan,dish it out but can't take it?

How many user post here each mounth? 200-300?How many are a PITA?4?

I'm not ready to start righting checks to support this site,or any site,sorry.But some have,does money give them more freedom then I, YES and you know what thats fine with me.

LOGANS NUMBER ONE RULE on this site is it's HIS! He says it over and over and over and........................... .............................. ....................

Logan don't ask us what you should do,Don't post every three mounths how pissed you are at US over what we post. Just do what YOU want it's YOUR site.

We all know Menace was a PITA but he's back and plays by your rules now.
How many "menace's" are here now only you know.


MY opinion to Logan is this; make a decision and stick with it,or not,it's YOUR site!

My opinion to everybody else who is not a FUROM listed sponser is this; If somebody post something about you or your car you don't like ignor it,just let it go.

My opinion to FORUM sponsers is; do what ever you want on your forum,I think you do anyway.

THIS IS NOT A CLUB,WE DO NOT GET A "VOTE"!
PLEASE DON'T ASK US.

[MikesMerc]

Oh well ... looks like I missed yet another ruckus.



Can you decribe the ruckus?

[Petrograde]

Can you decribe the ruckus?

Breakfast Club - Anthony Micheal Hall

[EbonyMarauder03]

:director: Look people, most of us spend a lot of time at our jobs during the day dealing with either ignorant co-workers or customers. I'm sure the fine host of this site like many of us would like to come home to a civil enviornment. All you need to do is follow the golden rule: If you don't have anything nice to say, or type, don't say or type it. :nono: As many others have stated this site is the best site for our cars and way of life and would hate to see it go. Thank you. :help:

[MikesMerc]

Breakfast Club - Anthony Micheal Hall

Bingo! :)

Sorry for the off topic :fishslap:

[Logan]

:director: Look people, most of us spend a lot of time at our jobs during the day dealing with either ignorant co-workers or customers. I'm sure the fine host of this site like many of us would like to come home to a civil enviornment. All you need to do is follow the golden rule: If you don't have anything nice to say, or type, don't say or type it. :nono: As many others have stated this site is the best site for our cars and way of life and would hate to see it go. Thank you. :help:

What HE said. Very smart man. :up:

[MapleLeafMerc]

I sometimes wonder what happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."

I'm 46, went to Sunday school (United Church). My recollection and understanding of the saying has always been an admonishment to let things go; to turn the other cheek, and to NOT let being called a name cause you to be angry. I'm not saying this for any sympathy, but I know what ridicule and embarassment means. And I mean the REAL, face to face kind, not this internet type.

Or how about letting those without sin cast the first stone? Is criticism the issue? As has been pointed out already, some of those complaining have allowed the same words to be used by others without penalty. And we ALL know that ricers are second rate, right?

We all have our quirks and biases. Anyone who says otherwise is, IMHO, blowing smoke. If we all tried to be a little more "sticks and stones...", I think we'd all be able to spend a LOT less time worrying about meaningless rules about when someone gets banned.

[David Morton]

Logan, you're alright by me whatever you decide to do.

If I have been "on the rag" at any time and acted insulting or caused you undue stress, I honestly admit my fault and ask your forgiveness.

Please accept my heartfelt thanks. If you archive all of this, thank you for keeping the vast database of parts, advice and experience for us all to enjoy.

Be happy dude. It's the only thing that matters in the end.

[Logan]

I'm going to close this thread. I've made up my mind.