The 10 commandments

[2003 MIB]

Here's the thread folks. What rules should we have and what punishment should exist for violations (ref. Logan's warning)?

[Dr Caleb]

Personal attacks should be banned. I'm not saying disagreement, but when it degentrates into "You are a liar" kind of scene, then it's time for a moderator to step in.

Sometimes things are taken out of context, being the written word, and a person's body language isn't available. Ususally those kind of remarks result in an apology. But when someone is constantally attacking others, well, that isn't what I come here for.

Punishment?

1st offence - Warning.
2nd offence - 1 week cool down holiday.
3rd offence - Bye bye!

:twocents:

[2003 MIB]

1. Thou shall not slam another member in a hurtful fashion.
2. Thou shall not slam another member's car in a hurtful fashion.
3. Thou shall not discuss gun rights, politics, religion or inflamatory topics.
4. Thou shall act like an adult.
5. Thou shall not talk smut. We have kids here.
6. Thou shall deal with vendor issues off the site.
7. Thou shall not be a racist, homophobe or other type of hater.
8. Thou shall capitalize "Marine", soldier, sailor, airman in lower case is gramatically correct. Just a pet peeve.
9. Thou shall treat each other the way you'd like to be treated.
10. Thou shall remember that we are Logan's guests here.

1st offense- it is the responsability of site members to provide a constructive rebuke.
2nd offense- report to moderator.
3rd offense- report to Logan for 1 week ban.
4th offense- go somewhere else.
My .02

[gja]

1. ANY type of remark that is denegrating to ones race, color, creed, sex or sexual preference (whether known or unknown) should result in unilateral banning and removal of ID. The same goes for "linking" a URL that displays this type of content. There is no place for this type of abusive behaviour. it is computerized character defamation, and it should be part of the FAQ on all sites that wish to maintain a level of decency. In the workplace you would get "termination with cause", an unremovable mark on your record, for such a act. Why should we expect less decorum here?

[MN6]

I Like MIB's 10 rules and Dr's punishment. My 2 Cents

[TheDealer]

1. Thou shall not slam another member in a hurtful fashion.
2. Thou shall not slam another member's car in a hurtful fashion.
3. Thou shall not discuss gun rights, politics, religion or inflamatory topics.
4. Thou shall act like an adult.
5. Thou shall not talk smut. We have kids here.
6. Thou shall deal with vendor issues off the site.
7. Thou shall not be a racist, homophobe or other type of hater.
8. Thou shall capitalize "Marine", soldier, sailor, airman in lower case is gramatically correct. Just a pet peeve.
9. Thou shall treat each other the way you'd like to be treated.
10. Thou shall remember that we are Logan's guests here.

1st offense- it is the responsability of site members to provide a constructive rebuke.
2nd offense- report to moderator.
3rd offense- report to Logan for 1 week ban.
4th offense- go somewhere else.
My .02


Sounds good to me... :grouphug:

[Fourth Horseman]

This may be slightly off-topic, and I realize that this is Logan's decision and not mine, but what do you all think about getting rid of the lounge entirely? If we're going to adhere to these rules (which I fully support, by the way) then it seems to me that non-Marauder related topics are just asking for trouble.

PS. I like Dr Caleb's punishment scheme, also. :up:

[gja]

I will sing with the choir on this one

[TheDealer]

This may be slightly off-topic, and I realize that this is Logan's decision and not mine, but what do you all think about getting rid of the lounge entirely? If we're going to adhere to these rules (which I fully support, by the way) then it seems to me that non-Marauder related topics are just asking for trouble.

PS. I like Dr Caleb's punishment scheme, also. :up:


I disagree about no Marauder topic. I post a lot of off topic stuff that from everyones response they seem to like. Example, Ford Focus V8 vedio, B-52 model airplane video. Let me know If I'm wrong. RAY :burn:

[Fourth Horseman]

I disagree about no Marauder topic. I post a lot of off topic stuff that from everyones response they seem to like. Example, Ford Focus V8 vedio, B-52 model airplane video. Let me know If I'm wrong. RAY :burn:

Fair enough. Just seems to me that commandment #3 and the lounge will inevitably come into conflict at some point in the future as they have in the past. Still, I stay out of there now so as to stay out of trouble, I can just continue doing so. I was just curious what everybody else thought.

[Brutus]

1. Thou shall not slam another member in a hurtful fashion.
2. Thou shall not slam another member's car in a hurtful fashion.
3. Thou shall not discuss gun rights, politics, religion or inflamatory topics.
4. Thou shall act like an adult.
5. Thou shall not talk smut. We have kids here.
6. Thou shall deal with vendor issues off the site.
7. Thou shall not be a racist, homophobe or other type of hater.
8. Thou shall capitalize "Marine", soldier, sailor, airman in lower case is gramatically correct. Just a pet peeve.
9. Thou shall treat each other the way you'd like to be treated.
10. Thou shall remember that we are Logan's guests here.

1st offense- it is the responsability of site members to provide a constructive rebuke.
2nd offense- report to moderator.
3rd offense- report to Logan for 1 week ban.
4th offense- go somewhere else.
My .02
And dont forget, Thou shall use common sense! This is what has led to a lot of the problems here. Poor judgement and lack of common sense. For the most part we are all adults here so lets act like it. I am tired of the 2 percenters who ruin it for everyone, The "Keyboard Tuff Guys". Remember the golden rule!!

[Fourth Horseman]

Remember the golden rule!!

"Do unto others and then fight your way home?" ;)

[TheDealer]

Fair enough. Just seems to me that commandment #3 and the lounge will inevitably come into conflict at some point in the future as they have in the past. Still, I stay out of there now so as to stay out of trouble, I can just continue doing so. I was just curious what everybody else thought.


If you close it to off topic stuff, where would people post that one of their family members is ill or in the hospital or I need help with a personal problem. The family aspect of this site would be lost. All we need is for people to grow up, act like adults, and bite their lip. There is no reason we should break up this family because of a few. Just my .02. RAY :soapbox:

[MAD-3R]

Something that was taught to me many years ago applies here.
"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Only modified slightly as "don't say anything that will come back to bite you in the but."

As for Number 3, thats a bit to strangling. More like
IF you don't have anything constructive to say, or are unwilling to here other people's opinions, don't post in that thread.

Self Moderation is as important as anything else.

[woaface]

Use general common sense. If you can't find some, ask your neighbor.

[Big Joe P]

Those who choose to attack and post without respect and dignity will do so in any forum, closing the lounge won't solve the problem. This site is about the exchange of ideas, questions, experiences, and thoughts, about our cars. There should be no need to post about anything else. What people need to remember is that any poster is giving his opinion. Don't attack someone for giving that. How things are worded is important too. Don't say YOUR MOD SUCKS, say IT'S NOT FOR ME. The rules have to be simple and straightforward too. We can't go to the rule book and say that YOU VIOLATED SECTION C ARTICLE 10 LINE 78. It should be "No tolerance for personal attacks" PERIOD. I've summed up all the rules at my business into a single sentence. "Do what's best for MM.net" ... this is my opinion, and I'm sticking to it...

[jfclancy]

MIB rules look good,as a starting point, Well AS USAF retired I evan agree with number 8, Dr Caleb's comments look like a better set of punishments guidelines to me.

my nickle
Joe Clancy :hide: :cuke: :banana2:

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[SergntMac]

IMHO...The Ten Commandments look good for the first shot at it, thanks Dan.

#1 and #2 can be blended with better language. #3 follows Fourth's idea, which I support. The Lounge gets abused more than any of them, and most of the fights start there, and over nothing to do with the MM. I hear your concern Ray, but such family related topics would be in line with our "family" in Community Discussion, and would be appropriate there. IMHO, this is the MercuryMarauder.net, is it not? Distraction from that central theme can be problematic. This is not to say that non-owners are not welcome, let's just try to keep the focus of this board where it belongs. #5 hasn't been a real problem, but it helps set the tone for newbies, just in case they want to try something new. #6 and #7 are cool, and good advice. #8 is news to me, I've been an offender without knowing it. Are you sure about the grammar? #9 and 10, should be #1 and 2...IMHO. How about a word on "post whores," those who post nonesense just rack up numbers, or, intend to derail a discussion. #10...Thou shall not derail?

With regard to punishment, I only hope we devise a method of determining that the accused intended his post to cause harm/disruption. That's not an easy task, but we can work on it. As far as drawing the line, issue points for violations, and when predetermind points are accrued, suspension. If this works right, we shouldn't have much work to do.

How about volunteer Guides? Each of us who are contributting members take a one day a month to act as Guides. Login and review all posts in a 24 hours period, and advise our Administrators of possible conflicts or trouble brewing. This can run silent and in the background, and the Admin has the last word. But Bunny and MercMan cannot handle it all.

Lastly, when someone established that their comments are their own opinions or beliefs, leave them be. If someone is asking for 411 on a mod, state you own reasoning and logic, and without ripping on another's view just because it's opposing your view. Make your own case that stands on it's own. Do not unmake another's. America is a big country, there are many "best" ways to do things out here.

Just my .02c...

[martyo]

What about a Commandment dealing with those that spam members? None of the suggested Commandments has addressed that. And, what is intreresting to note here is that the spammer, who has to be a member of this site, has yet to fess up.

Shouldn't that be addressed here as well?

[hitchhiker]

I don't think that implementing a rigid enforcement scheme is appropriate. Suspending members takes administrative overhead to deal with.

I think Logan has used good judgement in the past and should feel free to banish those who abuse our forum.

It is sometimes difficult to distinguish who started a conflict versus who crossed the line on behavior.

Most of us will defend ourselves or our interests if we are attacked. When does the defense outflank the attack with respect to rules violation? Should both parties be banned? Administering a website requires these judgements to be made and this is not always easy.

I think that we should just use good manners and common sense. Treat people as if they were in the same room with you!

Logan, do what you need to do to preserve our great forum. You have our unwaivering support.

Best Regards,

David

[Fourth Horseman]

If you close it to off topic stuff, where would people post that one of their family members is ill or in the hospital or I need help with a personal problem. The family aspect of this site would be lost. All we need is for people to grow up, act like adults, and bite their lip. There is no reason we should break up this family because of a few. Just my .02. RAY :soapbox:

Well, much of that ends up in the community discussion portion of the forum anyway, which is fine. But I see your point and no problem. I have just always sort of thought it was odd to have an off-topic section of the forum which is described as being for non-Marauder related posts, yet there's a list of topics that aren't to be put into the off-topic section. It just made me think that it'd be easier to keep it all on topic, but maybe that's just me. No sweat either way, I was just curious what others thought.

Thanks for the input! :up:

[MERCMAN]

to simplify the rules

How about the golden rule? "treat others as you wish to be treated"?
(not valid for those with masochistic tendencies)

If you would not say it to or about your Mother or want your children to say it to you DON'T POST IT.

[Brutus]

"Do unto others and then fight your way home?" ;)
Amen my friend! If you only knew.

[2003 MIB]

I never claimed to be smart folks.
In the tradition of the Martyo "I posted this to make you think" thread- I think Logan has duped us. We all know the decision is his and his alone- very simple. The first hit at the rules sounded great to me when I typed them but I want to know about your families, your local weather, Canada or whatever-really whatever. I like y'all. I'm disappointed with the Spammer but I'll get over it.
Big Joe P sums up with one paragraph what we ought to do. Brutus does it too. Mac makes some excellent points (no suprises there) and Bunny reminds us of what we already agreed to.
Maybe the point was there's a lot of grey in moderating or admining the board. Maybe he requested this thread to make us realize that. Be nice or be gone is really what we're all saying. I think we can do that.

[MERCMAN]

True Dat!!

[Donny Carlson]

What we have already (and reposted by Mary) is all we need.

Moderators have final say on what is objectionable, what is deleted, who is misbehaving, and who gets bounced, for how long, and, if needed, banned completely. Any member can report a post (or the behavior of another member) to the moderators. That's it. Simple, and everybody uses common sense, or risks getting their post, thread, or themselves booted off.

Logan should hand the keys to the store to the mods, and let them handle the PITA's.

[rookie1]

I kinda like the lounge and don't see a reason we have to be THAT Politically correct. So, rule 3 seems like a bit of overkill to me. There have been some really interesting threads there in last few weeks. I especially enjoyed talking geo-politics and healthcare with my Canadian brothers.
We all have something in common(our vehicles) and that alone places us in a peer group. I would be sorry to see it go but I'm assuming that we could all act like adults without the rampant oversensitivity and drama(just my opinion and no disrespect to anyone intended).
I appear to be in the minority and that's ok. I also understand that Logan shouldn't have to spend that much of his time as a babysitter.
Just my humbly presented thoughts.

[2003 MIB]

Use general common sense. If you can't find some, ask your neighbor.
God, I love this kid!

[Marauder386]

I see everyone's input and idea's here...and agree with all. Not that I am imitating a soggy waffle...I interpet this as we will police ourselves. If someone is "out of the box"...Logan can be alerted and can push that magic button and they disappear....Sound okay y'all ?


M386

[Logan]

Maybe the point was there's a lot of grey in moderating or admining the board. Maybe he requested this thread to make us realize that.


Ahhhh Young Grasshoppa learn quickly what a pain in the ass this job is. :D