Meziere Electric Water Pump INSTALL TIPS?

[CRUZTAKER]

I poked around the site for a bit...but as usual, my weekend at home is cut short with family obligations.

I would now like to impose on the members.;)

I received my Meziere pump from Dennis and am psyched to do the install. I was wondering if anyone has posted detailed install instructions or tips, tricks, and pics anywhere on the forums?

I have the wiring kit, less the LED, (need to call Dennis and get one), the pump, and the new belt to accomodate my Steeda pullies.

More or less, I need an update on the wiring, to include a future LED.

I PROMISE TO KEEP THE INFO ON HAND FOR POSTERITY!

[Cobra25]

Barry I had Carfixer install mine . He did a nice job and the install went well. Maybe you can pm him and and ask him . Just a idea.

[NAVCHAP]

Dennis did mine, he can probably walk you through it if you call him. It's a nice set up. -kjs-

[FordNut]

I had mine done at Team Ford. No LED, no intention of adding one. Only issues I've heard of (on another forum, not at MM.net) was somebody used silicone sealer and some of it got into the pump impeller and stalled out the pump. I don't think you even need sealer, I believe it's got an o-ring type gasket.

[MARAUDERCHICK]

I had mine done at Team Ford. No LED, no intention of adding one. Only issues I've heard of (on another forum, not at MM.net) was somebody used silicone sealer and some of it got into the pump impeller and stalled out the pump. I don't think you even need sealer, I believe it's got an o-ring type gasket.

DITTO!!! ^^^^

[FordNut]

One thing Jason at Team Ford suggested was replacing the fuse that comes with the wiring kit with a circuit breaker so it self-resets if it trips.

[Donny Carlson]

I had mine done at Team Ford. No LED, no intention of adding one. Only issues I've heard of (on another forum, not at MM.net) was somebody used silicone sealer and some of it got into the pump impeller and stalled out the pump. I don't think you even need sealer, I believe it's got an o-ring type gasket.
The LED included by Dennis is, literally, a Radio Shack part that you could buy at any RS store. It was still in the Radio Shack blister pack. There was no instructions in my kit on how to wire it up There was no additional wiring, LED mount, or relays of any sort included.

Jason at Team Ford did my install, as he has done FordNut, Marauderchick, TAF, Martyo, and others. He said the only real issue was initial startup of the pump would pop the fuse, because the resistance of the impeller on some new Meziere kits initally would be such that it would overload the circuit and cause the fuse to blow. He fixed this, as FordNut posted, by replacing the fuse with a self-resetting circuit breaker. The idea being, a temporary problem that caused the fuse to blow (either a transient problem or something you could fix yourself) would not strand you somewhere or cause undue inconvenience.

The LED, well, Jason was not very hot on it and I haven't seen it installed other than in Dennis' pictures. I still don't know if it stays on all the time and goes out when the fuse blows, indicating a problem, or if it goes on, indicating a problem. But that's academic, because I didn't install it.

What I chose to go with was to install a digital water temp gauge to keep an eye on the Meziere. Jason explained that the dash water temp gauge is inaccurate by about 20 degrees, and by the time you notice it's hot, you better pull over and stop. Also, the location of the sender for the dash water temp gauge is not in the optimal location for keeping an accurate read of coolant temp.

The idea behind the digital gauge, of course, is to monitor coolant temps more accurately, so if the Meziere starts to crap out (and, say, the impeller move less liquid), I can see a heating trend way before the dash needle moves and be able to better pick when and where to stop to check it out. An added plus is the gauge is programmable to flash a warning at a preset temp, which I've set at 220 degrees. Normal coolant temps stay below 210 degrees, even in the summer, and only on WOT runs get above 215.

Hope this is of some help, Barry.

[Zack]

Draining the coolant from the radiator wont be enough to prevent spillage when removing the old water pump.
You will have to remove the short hose from the thermostat housing to the block to get it all out, or remove the block plug (the threaded one) on the drivers side under the #8.
Other than that, use a silicone based LUBRICANT, like silicone dielectric to lube the o-ring, do not use a sealer.
Its a pretty simple install, I did not use the install kit, I think its overkill and too much wiring. I already had a relay running other things with an extra power out and I hooked the pump right to it.
I just put 500 miles on the car with no problems.
Before installing, make sure the impeller spins freely.

[CRUZTAKER]

Wow! Thanks to all of you for such an informative array of input.
Looks like a guage in order, I like that idea Donny. You posted (gallery) pics of the sender location, no? Gonna go check.

This mod has me anticipating, all of your results have been good. I hope I am fortunate as well.

Welcome to the MAZZY club!:beatnik:

[DirtyDog]

Here is a wiring tip from an old post.

Wire location: Fuse box passager side fender well, top side. There are four clips on the long sides. Using your thumbs pull two clips out a little on the engine side and lift. Then do the same to the out board side and lift. The box will lift right up and you have access to the wiring harmess to the fuse box. There are three orange and black wires, pick one. They come from the PCM and send power to the Fuel Pump Relay, AC Clutch Relay, and ABS Control Module. "The PCM Relay is turning these things on." The pump is running when the ignition is on, in the run mode. The pump does not run in the accessory mode.

I added a switch under the hood with a red light so I can turn the pump on when everthing is off. With this I can do some cooling between runs.

Dave

P.S. I sent a schematic diagram to Meziere for their input and they said that was fine.



Dave

[Dennis Reinhart]

I poked around the site for a bit...but as usual, my weekend at home is cut short with family obligations.

I would now like to impose on the members.;)

I received my Meziere pump from Dennis and am psyched to do the install. I was wondering if anyone has posted detailed install instructions or tips, tricks, and pics anywhere on the forums?

I have the wiring kit, less the LED, (need to call Dennis and get one), the pump, and the new belt to accomodate my Steeda pullies.

More or less, I need an update on the wiring, to include a future LED.

I PROMISE TO KEEP THE INFO ON HAND FOR POSTERITY!
It is a very easy install I put a light coat of grease around the WP O ring install the pump and then what I do is I install a wire in between the pump and the fuse that way if the fuse blows the light will go out. Now Mark bought the Bulldog alarm and it is a bit more complicated it does come with a optional buzzer and it does work nicely when you turn the key on the light comes on orange the buzzer goes off for five seconds the the light and buzzer go off.

[Warpath]

I like the LED idea.

I'm also interested finding out where to get the self-reseting circuit breakers. I've never heard of these before. If you have a cronic problem such as a short, does it keep flipping on and off?

[Petrograde]

***old Thread alert!***


great info though! :up:

[Donny Carlson]

I like the LED idea.

I'm also interested finding out where to get the self-reseting circuit breakers. I've never heard of these before. If you have a cronic problem such as a short, does it keep flipping on and off?
The LED is fine, but keep in mind all it tells you is that the pump has lost power (when it goes out) or is getting power (when its on). It won't warn you of low amperage or shorting, like the Bulldog does. Also, the LED won't tell you that the impeller is binding or the bearing is freezing up. A good digital water temp gauge will give you advance notice of a pump heading south, as you'll be able to see a warming trend way before the other dash temp gauge moves. An alternative would be some gauge that measures coolant flow, as the pump moves 55 gpm continuously.

Regarding the circuit breaker, here's what Jason Adams at Team Ford told me:

There are two ways to do it. First, you can go to NAPA or any good auto parts store and buy a 20 amp self cycling circuit breaker and a fuse holder with wiring, and wire the Meziere to this outside the fuse box. He has talked to Meziere tech support and they have given their blessing to this. Second, what Jason does is use the circuit breaker for the power seats and relocates this in the fuse box for use on the Meziere. He this replaces the cb with a 20 amp fuse for the seats, reasoning being that a blown fuse for the power seats is not critical. He says any Ford 20 amp self cycling fuse identical to those used on the MM are okay, but he pointed out the part costs about $20 from Ford and the swap out of the existing power seat cb works just fine.

[03SILVERSTREAK]

The LED is fine, but keep in mind all it tells you is that the pump has lost power (when it goes out) or is getting power (when its on). It won't warn you of low amperage or shorting, like the Bulldog does. Also, the LED won't tell you that the impeller is binding or the bearing is freezing up. A good digital water temp gauge will give you advance notice of a pump heading south, as you'll be able to see a warming trend way before the other dash temp gauge moves. An alternative would be some gauge that measures coolant flow, as the pump moves 55 gpm continuously.

Regarding the circuit breaker, here's what Jason Adams at Team Ford told me:

There are two ways to do it. First, you can go to NAPA or any good auto parts store and buy a 20 amp self cycling circuit breaker and a fuse holder with wiring, and wire the Meziere to this outside the fuse box. He has talked to Meziere tech support and they have given their blessing to this. Second, what Jason does is use the circuit breaker for the power seats and relocates this in the fuse box for use on the Meziere. He this replaces the cb with a 20 amp fuse for the seats, reasoning being that a blown fuse for the power seats is not critical. He says any Ford 20 amp self cycling fuse identical to those used on the MM are okay, but he pointed out the part costs about $20 from Ford and the swap out of the existing power seat cb works just fine.

Thanks that sounds like a good Idea...:cool: :banana2:

[Blackened300a]

I see that A lot of you are going with the electric water Pump. Im Afraid of doing this mod cause I dont want to put the Fate of my Engine in the hands of whats basically a electric motor. At Least if a Mechanical Waterpump goes, It will leak out the weep Hole but still Circulate the Coolant and give you a shot to get it home and replace it, If The electric motor dies in it, Call a Tow Truck, No limping home from that point.
What is the benefit of this mod?
Is it that much of a Horsepower difference that Its worth having??

[Warpath]

The LED is fine, but keep in mind all it tells you is that the pump has lost power (when it goes out) or is getting power (when its on). It won't warn you of low amperage or shorting, like the Bulldog does. Also, the LED won't tell you that the impeller is binding or the bearing is freezing up. A good digital water temp gauge will give you advance notice of a pump heading south, as you'll be able to see a warming trend way before the other dash temp gauge moves. An alternative would be some gauge that measures coolant flow, as the pump moves 55 gpm continuously.

Thanks. I was only using the LED for fuse monitoring. It would also require me noticing the LED turning on or off which may not occur right away. I thought about flow monitoring too. I have no idea where to look for something like that. I going to start though. I don't think Autometer has a water flow gauge. :) Mechanical pumps have their own problems too such as binding, belt slipping, etc.

[Lowndex]

Here is a wiring tip from an old post.

Wire location: Fuse box passager side fender well, top side. There are four clips on the long sides. Using your thumbs pull two clips out a little on the engine side and lift. Then do the same to the out board side and lift. The box will lift right up and you have access to the wiring harmess to the fuse box. There are three orange and black wires, pick one. They come from the PCM and send power to the Fuel Pump Relay, AC Clutch Relay, and ABS Control Module. "The PCM Relay is turning these things on." The pump is running when the ignition is on, in the run mode. The pump does not run in the accessory mode.

I added a switch under the hood with a red light so I can turn the pump on when everthing is off. With this I can do some cooling between runs.

Dave

P.S. I sent a schematic diagram to Meziere for their input and they said that was fine.



Dave


Please send me and post the schematic wiring diagram for us all.

[Lowndex]

The LED is fine, but keep in mind all it tells you is that the pump has lost power (when it goes out) or is getting power (when its on). It won't warn you of low amperage or shorting, like the Bulldog does. Also, the LED won't tell you that the impeller is binding or the bearing is freezing up. A good digital water temp gauge will give you advance notice of a pump heading south, as you'll be able to see a warming trend way before the other dash temp gauge moves. An alternative would be some gauge that measures coolant flow, as the pump moves 55 gpm continuously.

Regarding the circuit breaker, here's what Jason Adams at Team Ford told me:

There are two ways to do it. First, you can go to NAPA or any good auto parts store and buy a 20 amp self cycling circuit breaker and a fuse holder with wiring, and wire the Meziere to this outside the fuse box. He has talked to Meziere tech support and they have given their blessing to this. Second, what Jason does is use the circuit breaker for the power seats and relocates this in the fuse box for use on the Meziere. He this replaces the cb with a 20 amp fuse for the seats, reasoning being that a blown fuse for the power seats is not critical. He says any Ford 20 amp self cycling fuse identical to those used on the MM are okay, but he pointed out the part costs about $20 from Ford and the swap out of the existing power seat cb works just fine.

Which digital water temperature gauge would you recommend?