Reverse Inlet Superchargers

[LVMarauder]

Im talking about the ones trilogy sells in their kit and fit our car. Where do they get them from and could a lefty be made into a righty? also how hard is it to more the battery from front left to front right?

[FiveO]

Why would you want to reverse it?

You're talking some custom fabrication to reverse the Trilogy setup.

Why you'd want to is my biggest question.

[LVMarauder]

I think u misunderstood me. Im asking where does trilogy get the supercharger that has the TB on the opposite side than cobras do. The second part of my question is could you take a cobra SC and somehow flip the TB to be on the other side. Finally I want to know if i had to use a cobra SC could I more it to the front right where the intake it presently or to the trunk( which i think would be easier).

[FiveO]

The Trilogy setup uses the same supercharger as the Cobra....the Eaton M112. They had to modify it (on top, by the TB) to go to the drivers side because thats where the air intake is.

If you try and take a Cobra supercharger....and put it in the Marauder....you're going to run into huge plumbing problems and the cost will end up being much more than the Trilogy kit....which is specifically designed for the Marauder.

Just my opinion.

BTW: Relocating the battery anywhere is not a huge problem...just some wires and a battery box (say for the trunk).

[CRUZTAKER]

Where do they get them from and could a lefty be made into a righty?
They designed, engineered, and created it themselves....for more specifics, why not just call Jerry Barnes?

[Zack]

Remember that the majority of the Trilogy kit comes right out of the Ford Parts Catalog, even the pulleys and bracketry.
I have always wondered why more people dont just buy the hardware from a cobra and extend the MAF wiring harness. Mine is extended on my Setup.
It is a lot easier to buy a pre thought out kit with no guessing, but if you want to be different and save a LOT of money at the same time, the answer is yes, the air inlet can be made to work on the passenger side.

[BillyGman]

No Zack. The intake isn't obtained from Ford since there isn't any vehicle in Ford's Line-up that's on the driver's side of the engine in a S/Cer set-up except for the one on the Lightning, and if you look at that one and the ones included in the Trilogy kit, you'll notice that they're different. Trilogy has these fabricated. Another thing is that the alternator brackets that are included in the Trilogy kits are not obtainable from Ford either. the Trilogy kit relocates the alternator and mounts it w/a bracket in the reverse direction, and there is no Ford set-up like that.


FiveO was correct what he stated in his post. You cannot take a Cobra S/Cer and slap it on your Marauder and get it to work, because it isn't going to. The Cobra has different locations for the alternator as well as for the intercooler resovoir, and perhaps for the power steering pump also. If you try and do this, you'll have to become your own fabricator and engineer, and it will end up costing you more than the Trilogy kit would in the first place. The snout on the Cobra Supercharger is also shorter than the Trilogy one is. Trilogy doesn't simply buy the Eaton Supercharger as well as all the parts from Ford that go into their kit. Yes, there are some parts in the Trilogy kit that are Ford parts, but that doesn't include the S/Cer itself, nor the intake, nor the alternator bracket, nor a number of the other parts in the kit.

There's a member here who is a professional auto mechanic who also is a co-owner of a speed shop ("Effster"). He purchased a Kenne Belle Twin screw Supercharger which didn't include a kit for Marauders. They have kits for Cobras that will NOT work on a Marauder. And even though Effster is a mechanic and owns a speed shop, he had a nightmare of a major hassle installing that S/Cer on his Marauder, and he had to fabricate parts himself to get the job done. And from what he told me, it sounded like it took him a long time to get everything to work correctly. If you try to cut corners w/something like this, you'll end up regreting it.

Effster finally ended up w/some pretty good power numbers on the dyno, but when I commented to him in a PM that I sent him that his final power #'s must have made it all worth while, he told me that he wasn't so sure about that. Again, that's coming from an owner of a speed shop!!!! Just save your pennies and get the Trilogy kit. Do it right, or don't do it at all. You and your Marauder will be better off in the longrun.

Trilogy Motorsports does NOT simply purchase all the parts for their S/Cer kits and throw them together in a box and call it a "kit" and send it out to you, like some other vendors out there that you'll find do. Trilogy is no joke. They have 90 employees which include engineers. This S/Cer kit that they sell for our cars is top-notch. It isn't simply purchased from other companies and thrown together. I purchased Trilogy Supercharger kit #24, and I installed this kit myself on my own car, and I can assure you that even though there are some parts in the kit with Ford part #'s, there are also a number of major parts in that same kit that are NOT Ford parts at all, and were infact designed by, and fabricated for Trilogy Motorsports.

[David Morton]

Did I say "you da man!" Billy? Yeah, I did, didn't I. Well, I should say it again.

Billy, You Da Man!

[BillyGman]

Thanks Dave. I'm just trying to be of help by sharing some information. ;)

[Krytin]

The first time I met Jeff/Effster he commented that he would never do it again! His install is first rate by any standards - the inlet to the S/C is a one off CAD/CAM piece machined from bilet aluminum as are many of the brackets. Fit and finish (two pictures in my gallery) is VERY nice!
Billy is right on - for ease of instalation and peace of mind, one of the kits has to be the way to go!

[BillyGman]

The first time I met Jeff/Effster he commented that he would never do it again! His install is first rate by any standards - the inlet to the S/C is a one off CAD/CAM piece machined from bilet aluminum as are many of the brackets. Fit and finish (two pictures in my gallery) is VERY nice!
Billy is right on - for ease of instalation and peace of mind, one of the kits has to be the way to go!Thanks for that confirmation.....let me say that I commend Jeff for being honest about that. I know from communicating w/him on this issue that his car is making some great power, and that's because of the twin-screw design of the S/Cer he's chosen. So many people in his shoes wouldn't have admitted having such a major hassle w/the installation, and also wouldn't be honest enough w/their fellow Marauder owners to make revealing statements such as "I'd never do this again!", and "I'm not so sure it was all worth it". So w/out even ever meeting Jeff in person, I'd have to say that based on what you've said about him,and on my PM conversations w/him about this, that he must be a stand-up guy, and one who is NOT so egotistical that he avoids telling people the down-side of his choices. As a fellow Marauder owner, I really appreciate the man's sincerety. :2thumbs:

[Krytin]

So w/out even ever meeting Jeff in person, I'd have to say that based on what you've said about him,and on my PM conversations w/him about this, that he must be a stand-up guy, and one who is NOT so egotistical that he avoids telling people the down-side of his choices. As a fellow Marauder owner, I really appreciate the man's sincerety. :2thumbs:

That's the fact Jack...I mean Billy!
He has a nice shop too! The last time I was over there he was just getting in a pair of '03 Cobra heads to "play" with. A very cool dude!

[JohnE]

There are a few suppliers for blowers, however like said before the mounting, intercooling and plumbing is the hard part.

Magnum Powers (http://www.magnumpowers.com/tbrd_blwr_ser.html)

Kenne Bell Twin Screw Supercharger Kits (http://www.kennebell.net/)

Whipple Twin Screw Superchargers (http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/product.asp?ProdID=1162)

Magnuson (Roots Supplier to all aftermarket of Eatons) (http://www.magnusonproducts.com/mp112.htm)

Then of course there's Vortech, Paxton, Etc...

[BillyGman]

There are a few suppliers for blowers, however like said before the mounting, intercooling and plumbing is the hard part.


Yes, that's true, which is why it's important to purchase a S/Cer that comes with a complete kit such as the Trilogy Motorsports S/Cer kit (my favorite), or the Reinhart S/Cer kit.

[LightningVic]

I hate to point this out, but I was looking at the trillogy kit pictures somewhere, and I figured out that it is not the cobra 112, but it is actually the lightning eaton 112 that has a top fed inlet. On the lightning it is a massive cast piece that ford added. On the trilogy kit it is a slimmer IMO better looking inlet that faces the driver side instead of the pass side. If I had a marauder, I would buy the trilogy kit, because that would mean i had money if i had a marauder :) of course I also like the diy approach, so I would probably just buy the pulleys, intake manifold, and intercooler assembly either out of the FR catalog, or used off of ebay, and then buy the kenny bell 2.3 liter upgrade kit for 03 cobras. Extend the MAF wiring, move the battery to the trunk, and then run any mustang cobra intake. That is how I would do it, but I have a decent amount of experience doing crap myself. Actually I am just finishing up a 2V panther SC kit that should be good for 350 rwhp on a stock motor :) details to follow soon.

[LVMarauder]

I agree with you Lightningvic, Nothing against the Trilogy kit but I always beleive there is another way. Will a lightning S/Cer bolt up to the intake manifold on a 4.6? As for hood clearance I dunno. I like kicking ideas like this around.

[LightningVic]

im not sure which version of the 4.6 youre referring to, but it should fit all of them with the right intake manifold. Hood clearance isnt too much of an issue. Also the lightning and the cobra blowers have almost identical blower housings, the only difference being the inlet locations. The cobra inlet is angled off of the passenger side of the blower, and the lightning is located at the top of the blower requiring an inlet to be added.

[BillyGman]

Nope. Not so Mr. Lightning. The pullies on the Cobra are all different than that of the Marauder. The alternator isn't located in the center of the engine like it is on a Marauder, therefore it doesn't need a bracket made to re-locate it to accomadate the S/cer as it does on a Marauder. and Ford does NOT make a bracket like that that I've seen.

I don't think you've read my previous posts since I'm having to adress the same isuues all over again in here. You think you can take a Kenne Belle S/cer kit designed for a Cobra and slap it on a Marauder? It's already been done by a pro, and w/much hassle. Yes, it "CAN" be done, but you better prepare for a lot of fabrication and engineering work. Because that's what you'll be getting into.

[LightningVic]

uh, i didnt mean it was identical, but it does indeed appear to be a lightning case. The Eaton blower can be modified, with a different pulley, AND snout, which I realize has been done. As far as a relocation bracket, well ford does not make one, that would be a custom piece. I never said the kit didnt have any custom pieces.

[LightningVic]

Also, who adapted the twin screw? I would love to see pictures of that, or at least communicate with the person who did it. That guy is my hero. P.S. Billy, I am not taking anything away from anyone, all I am saying is that it is possible to duplicate the results of the trillogy motorsports supercharger. Some innovation needed, adult assembly required :)

[BillyGman]

Vic, I have no obligations nor loyalties to any manufacture, S/cer kit designer, nor vendor other than being a satisfied customer when and if that is the case. So please don't get the wrong impression of me here. I know how it is to be contemplating spending thousands of dollars on one major modification on a car that I've just spent $30K on. And I know how much concern all the potential pluses and minuses of such a modification can cause someone who is contemplating something of that magnitude for their Marauder. I was in that same boat last march of this year. And back then i painstakingly did my homework on this issue, and I was focusing the most on the Trilogy kit. So I'm simply concerned in threads like these on this board that the wrong information might go out to those who are now in the place I was at back in March.


And i want to do my best to help my fellow board members out on this topic since I spent so many hours, days and weeks studying this issue. And this board wasn't the only means I used for information by any means. Not by a longshot. However, there have been a number of members here who helped me out as well. The board member who installed a Kenne Belle twin screw S/cer that I mentioned is "Effster'. You really should read my previous posts in this thread where I mentioned what was said between him and myself concerning his project, and what type of installation/fabrication experience he had w/that kit. I've already fully explained it in this thread. BTW, I've also sent you a PM about your question too. Write back to me if you have more questions. I just want to be of help. that's all. Many have helped me out, and I know how great that was.