VOTE for Timeslip page preference...

[MI2QWK4U]

This seems to be a natural progression from talking about it to actually speaking up without having to post or say anything.

[MarauderMark]

This seems to be a natural progression from talking about it to actually speaking up without having to post or say anything.WTG Dave!!! LOL . I was going to do this but didn't want to be the one in case someone wants to give me another award..

Afterall how can you compare a funny car or rail car to an mm.unless the funny car is an mm:fishslap:

[MikesMerc]

We should be voting on whether timeslip posting is mandatory too! But this is a great start!

[MarauderMark]

We should be voting on whether timeslip posting is mandatory too! But this is a great start!

To me thats just not important enough(timeslip posting) i belive everyones(my brothern) postings and if i need any info i will pm them . if it becomes mandatory it may cause people to photoshop them(not worth it) just to post it , in which there will be 5 second mms out there.If someone could photoshop then please do so as an example and show us the real one and copied so we can see..Thanks
just my :twocents: ..

[Paul T. Casey]

I'm for limiting the list, but not to Panthers. How about a weight limit or class? It's your poll, so for now I'll vote Panther.

[MikesMerc]

To me thats just not important enough(timeslip posting) i belive everyones(my brothern) postings and if i need any info i will pm them . if it becomes mandatory it may cause people to photoshop them(not worth it) just to post it , in which there will be 5 second mms out there.If someone could photoshop then please do so as an example and show us the real one and copied so we can see..Thanks
just my :twocents: ..


Okay, let me see if I get this right. On one hand you trust everyone enough not to need timeslips posted, yet on the other hand you don't trust everyone enough not to use photoshop to fake timeslips? Does that make sense?

Well, I tell ya what. I've been on net forums for many years and have been participating in many car enthusiast sites. This is the only "timeslip" page that doesn't require a "timeslip". If folks want to bench race, set up an area that they can spew on about all the fish tales they have. I have no problem with that. But a "timeslip" page is called "timeslip" page for a reason.

[MikesMerc]

EDIT- BTW, I'll also add that any postings on a "timeslip" page without an actual "timeslip" are worthless and without merit. They are summarily disregarded. I know that sounds harsh, but in the real world of enthusaists I am not alone in this train of thought. Anyone who can find the time to take the car to the track can find the 5 minutes it takes to have the slip scanned at Kinkos or at home. Not being able to scan is a lame excuse so don't use it. I know this all sounds harsh, but its all about running with the big dogs or staying home on the porch with the pups. If you want to be included on a "timeslip" data base, folks are just gonna need to get a "timeslip".

[Paul T. Casey]

No offense, but I feel about opposite as MikesMerc. I'm pretty sure people aren't lying about 15+ second cars. But that's the beauty of this site, we've got all the good car folks here.

[SouLRioT]

To me thats just not important enough(timeslip posting) i belive everyones(my brothern) postings and if i need any info i will pm them . if it becomes mandatory it may cause people to photoshop them(not worth it) just to post it , in which there will be 5 second mms out there.If someone could photoshop then please do so as an example and show us the real one and copied so we can see..Thanks
just my :twocents: ..

My view is that anyone who's a member can post their timeslip/ 1/4mi and its all on the honor system. Some people whant to see the et's rt's and what not. I can understand some might not be able to upload because I was on the phone for about 30 min with my grandmother trying to help here remember how to scan and copy. But I dont need help with that stuff infact MarauderMark asked for a PS timeslip and the orignal so here it is:

Orignal:http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/image.php?u=694&type=timeslip&dateline=1095168904

and the attached is the PS one.

PS this one is Lidio's

[Wagonmaster]

As a new owner of a MM (two weeks) I have not had the opportunity to get my sled to the track for some baseline's. My home track of Mission Raceway Park is virtually closed for the season, hence I do not hold a timeslip for it.......yet!
As a veteran drag racer, I do hold a timeslip for my 66 Nova wagon. I havent made the trip to Kinko's to get the mandatory timeslip downloaded, as I did not know this was a prerequisite. If the E.T is doubted go to Street & Strip Motorsports and read the layout of the car and driver.

In the interim, I figured I'd post my wagon's stats until I get the MM to the track. Afterall, most car nuts are open minded to all makes and models. Apparently this was a misconception on my part and I have brought shame to the MMnet. website. So please feel free to remove my wagon from the Timeslip page until I can produce a genuine photocopied timeslip of what a stock Marauder can do.

P.S. No hard feelings, this is afterall a Marauder website.

GT

[SouLRioT]

Garry you have not done anything wrong at all. Don't feel bad, you have not brought shame to the site at all. What is beeing discussed is something new or felt wanted by some members. This isnt the final say on this matter what so ever.

[MikesMerc]

I want to make myself clear about one thing. I'd like to see the timeslips posted because it is a Timeslip page. Its that simple.

Its not about trying to prevent those who would go to extreme measures to cheat. That cannot be prevented. Its about posting timeslips on a timeslips data base page.

We could always change the name of the page to the "This is about what I think I ran when I was at the track sometime" page. That could work:)

BTW, it was easy to see that that timeslip was chopped. Cheaters would have to do much much better than that:)

Edit - BTW Gary, no problem here that you posted. We have open rules about who can post times, so no problem at all. I just think some members (includng me) would like to keep the database "pure" to the marauder here on MMnet as there are many other places to go post timeslips for all makes and models. In fact, I have plenty of other timeslips from cars of old that I could post, but this just didn't seem like the place...a site that is Marauder specific. Again, that's just my 2 cents and what I felt was right for me. I don't expect others to think the same way. Unless the rules are changed officially, please feel free to post what you'd like:)

[Wagonmaster]

Thank you my brothers, I just wanted everyone know I was a contender (vs bench racer) in the Hot Rodding realm.

P.S. Where does one aquire one of them fancy badgeless grille's. Is Zack the guy custom building them?
Thanks, GT

[BillyGman]

We should be voting on whether timeslip posting is mandatory too! But this is a great start!I absolutely agree. One member who happens to be one of the top dogs listed in there who doesn't have a timeslip acutally has admitted to me that he hasn't even taken his Marauder to the track!!! I wonder how many others there are like that.

[Zack]

I want to make myself clear about one thing. I'd like to see the timeslips posted because it is a Timeslip page. Its that simple.

Its not about trying to prevent those who would go to extreme measures to cheat. That cannot be prevented. Its about posting timeslips on a timeslips data base page.

We could always change the name of the page to the "This is about what I think I ran when I was at the track sometime" page. That could work:)

BTW, it was easy to see that that timeslip was chopped. Cheaters would have to do much much better than that:)

Edit - BTW Gary, no problem here that you posted. We have open rules about who can post times, so no problem at all. I just think some members (includng me) would like to keep the database "pure" to the marauder here on MMnet as there are many other places to go post timeslips for all makes and models. In fact, I have plenty of other timeslips from cars of old that I could post, but this just didn't seem like the place...a site that is Marauder specific. Again, that's just my 2 cents and what I felt was right for me. I don't expect others to think the same way. Unless the rules are changed officially, please feel free to post what you'd like:)

So if I post my timeslip and I ran against a slower car, do I have to take a picture of my car with the shoe polish numbers and accompany it with the timeslip to REALLY prove myself?

[BillyGman]

So if I post my timeslip and I ran against a slower car, do I have to take a picture of my car with the shoe polish numbers and accompany it with the timeslip to REALLY prove myself?

The way that I see it Zack, that isn't even the main point. Atleast not as far as I'm concerbed. The main point is, that the name of the list is "TIMESLIP" database. Is it not? So why not post your timeslip? What is so difficult about that? Your timeslip has some valuable info on it that other members can look at to compare what your car is doing w/theirs, and where it's making it's power in the 1320. Some guy have gone through the trouble of posting there dyno graphs in their individual posts for that same reason. I don't know about you, but bragging isn't the only reason I've posted my track times in that list. But to also let other members see what the mods I've done to my car have accomplished. The timeslips as you must know have some great info such as the 60' times, 330' times, and 1,000' times as wel as the 1/8th mile ET amd MPH. All of that info can be very revealing when making comparisants. So why wouldn't you want to post that to help others w/their decisions on mods for their cars? If you don't, then what's the whole point of the "TIMESLIP' database? Is it just for you to brag about your car? Sorry, but I don't see it as just that, and IMO it shouldn't be just for that since that would be worthless. I don't need the internet just to brag about my car. But for sharing information the net is great.

[Logan]

You all need to take a pill and relax. I'm too busy too change anything anyway.

"Moot point, I'd like to introduce you to my users... Users, this is moot point."

[Paul T. Casey]

Most of the same information on the timeslip is on the "timeslip" part of the site. I still don't see much reason for actually not posting the actual time slip. Most of the guys (and Ladies) here don't strike me as the type to fudge their numbers. Also, by looking at their numbers, it is somewhat obvious if they are lying. I am all for members posting their times, for whatever car they please. Everyone here can read, and I certianally know not to compare my car to a purpose built drag car only. Not intending to flame anyone here, but to me a big part of the success of this site is the friendliness, and assumed honesty of all members involved.

[BillyGman]

Most of the same information on the timeslip is on the "timeslip" part of the site..Oh yeah? How about the 330' times, and the 1,000' times? And while we're at it, how about the track temperature? All of those things are very relavent.

[bigslim]

What is really the point of having timeslips posted? Is it to have bragging rights over who is the fastest? Who's mods are the best? We all know what these cars are capable of doing. I have no use in posting my times now or even after I get my Trilogy installed. All I want is a car that I can have fun in beating up other "BRANDS" of cars. I have seen normal aspirated MM's, Trilogy MM's and different Vortech MM's run and they all run good. To me timeslips are just a way for people to say "mine is better than your's".

[Paul T. Casey]

Fortunately Billy, some people are smart enough to post temps. I agree that the 330 and 1000 info would be desireable, but I still say leave the timeslips section as it is. Enough folks do post the actual slip to gain information. As for the more "casual" racer, the Timeslips board is, IMHO, a good place to put up your best time and may accelerate these folks interest in more racing, tuning, modding, etc.

[CRUZTAKER]

........PS this one is Lidio'shttp://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43 28

You mean you are in possesion of a Lidio timeslip....and it's NOT autographed!!!???

Shame on you. :stooges:

He'd have never got it back if he had sent it to me...it'd be on my wall!:nworthy:

[SergntMac]

So if I post my timeslip and I ran against a slower car, do I have to take a picture of my car with the shoe polish numbers and accompany it with the timeslip to REALLY prove myself?
Sorry bro, gotta bust you out here. You shouldn't have left this on the bar last night, but it's for your own good too. They're calling for a rope, maybe this will stall 'em while you get southbound and down...

Zack's latest timeslip from US 41...

http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/showphoto.php/photo/5716/password/d746d272dfed711f349d5453ed3b71 f7/sort/1/cat/last1/page/1

[SouLRioT]

You mean you are in possesion of a Lidio timeslip....and it's NOT autographed!!!???

Shame on you. :stooges:

He'd have never got it back if he had sent it to me...it'd be on my wall!:nworthy:

I wish I had one of his, but alas its from the current Timeslip database. Just used the jpeg that he posted.

[BillyGman]

Paul and Slim, I think you guys are missing my point. Let me illustrate a comparisant here of two cars owned by board members who HAVE posted their timeslips. Dave (aka "MI2QWIK4U") and myself. Look at the "TIMESLIPS" list for yourselves, and notice both mine and Dave's timeslips, and you'll see the following:

------------"MI2QWIK4U"---------- "BillyGman"

60' ---------1.91 seconds----------1.66 seconds

330'-------- 5.27 seconds--------- 4.96 seconds

1/8mile--- 8.00 seconds---------- 7.73 seconds

1/8 MPH--- 91.11 MPH ------------87.89 MPH

1/4 mile--- 12.23 seconds -------12.24 seconds

1/4 mile
trap speed-- 112.03 MPH--------- 107.83 MPH


Note that both Dave and I have the same Trilogy S/Cer on our Marauders. And our cars are within one onehundreth of a second of eachother in the 1/4 mile ET's. That is perhaps a difference of 2 or 3 feet at the finish line!!! And yet look at how much faster Dave's trap speed is than mine. It's five MPH faster. How can that be when our ET's are within one onehundreth of a second??? Well friends, it's ONLY the information on our TIMESLIPS that can reveal the answer to that question, and the answer is VERY relavent to those who haven't yet modified their Marauders yet, and also to those who have, but who haven't supercharged their Marauders yet, and who might do so in the future.

Look at Dave's 60', 330', and 1/8 mile ET's, and compare those three times w/that of my car. You'll notice that my car is considerably quicker off the line,and also in the 330' mark and the 1/8th mile mark, however since Dave's car is crossing the finish line at pretty much the same time as my car is, and because his car is moving faster than mine across the finish line, it becomes obvious by this info provided in our TIMESLIPS that Dave's car is considerably stronger in the last half of the 1/4 mile than my car is, so his car actually catches up to my car and even overtakes it by a hair at the finish line.

Our cars are probably so close in the 1/4 mile that it would depend on what type of day we were both having if we ever did meet at the tree. And the results would probably be so close that it might vary from race to race as to who the winner was.

But the rrason why all of this can be valuable info to those who are contemplating which modifications to choose for their Marauders, is that Dave's and mine approaches to modifying our Marauders are similar only when it comes to our choice of S/Cer kit, and the similarity ends there. Neither approach is right or wrong. They're just different.

While Dave has accomplish a 12.2 second ET by choosing a higher boost pressure by using a smaller S/Cer pulley, along with 3.73 gears in the rear, I have also accomplished a 12.2 second ET by using a more conservative and lower boost pressure of 9.5 PSI, as well as a more extreme gear ratio of 4.56's along with a 3,000 RPM stall speed. Dave's car is putting 50 more HP to the wheels than my car is, and yet our ET's are within a hair's breath from eachother. Again, neither approach is wrong. They're just different,and each approach offers advantages and disadvantages that prove to be trade-offs on the street.

On the street, my car would beat Dave's from stop light to stop light, but on the highway, Dave's car would overtake mine because of how strong it is on the top end. So when board members look at both our "TIMESLIPS" and compare this info with the modifications list that we also both offer, they can decide for themselves what type of street car they want their Marauder to be, and whether or not they want to be quicker off the line, and in the 1/8th mile, or if they would rather their car be stronger and quicker in the top end like Dave's car clearly is. And the information in the "TIMESLIPS" help to uncover that entire pictire.

[FordNut]

Thank you my brothers, I just wanted everyone know I was a contender (vs bench racer) in the Hot Rodding realm.

P.S. Where does one aquire one of them fancy badgeless grille's. Is Zack the guy custom building them?
Thanks, GT
Garry,
Yes, check with Zack on the grille.

[bigslim]

Point well taking Billy. It's just that I have seen these threads get ugly and just don't want to see it happen again.

[CRUZTAKER]

:baaa:

This one rocks Zack....a classic...truley a classic..."we don't need no stinkin' stats!"

http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/data/500/392zackts-med.jpg

[MI2QWK4U]

Sometimes I wonder why I bother to post things for folks to consider only to have the thread and post messed with and derailed with bs and doubletalk. And what a shock...by the usual folks at that. Maybe this thread would have been taken seriously if someone else would have started it.

[MI2QWK4U]

Billy brings up just the reason for posting the time slips. I wont repeat it, but he basically summed up the best reason for comparing notes on how our cars compare with each other. Its funny, but when he mentioned that the only thing our cars have in common is the Trilogy kit, it made me think. It is interesting to compare time slips and mod lists, although some dont post those either.

Oh, Billy, that 12.23 time was run with the larger pully and warmer weather. If I ever get to a decent track with traction along with the cooler weather and a couple of other tweeks it should run much better. So we shall see!

[BillyGman]

Oh, Billy, that 12.23 time was run with the larger pully and warmer weather.
LOL...okay Dave, but keep in mind that my two timeslips are from June, so that wasn't exactly cool whether that I've nade my runs in either. But I didn't know that you changed your pulley a second time. You used to have a 11.5 PSI pulley. Right? isn't that what you ran that 12.23 ET with? And now i see you have more boost than that, uh? I can't keep up w/your modifications list Dave!!!

[MI2QWK4U]

At this point Billy, its more fine tuning, tweaking whats already there. I have a smaller pully now, which helps out, but I am having serious problems hooking up still. Lidio believes that with a proper launch at a good track in cool weather my car should be sub 12 seconds. I admit that I am far from a great driver, I have neither the seat time nor expertise to gauge my burnouts and launches as Lidio does. I am pretty much done in the mods department, I will strive to do better with what I have and be happy with it.

[stumpy]

Not that it really matters to me, but I vote for Panther platforms and no others. What you may not realize is that you really don't have a true time slip page. Anyone can post whatever they want and there isn't much organization around it other than to post the times.

I remember having my time listed on your timeslip page about a year ago. I never even knew that your site had a time slip page at the time. I was merely poking around in my Preferences and saw the et information in vehicle profile. I figured what the hell and put it in. I didn't even know I was on a public list until about 2 weeks later. Perhaps that's why you have non MM postings? When I saw that the page had been cleared and redone I didn't bother posting my times again because I don't think it belongs.

Good luck getting it all sorted out!

[BillyGman]

Dave, w/the kind of boost, and HP that your car has, I have no doubt that you'll be well into the 11's on a cool day like we've been having recently. my car would be in the very high 11's if I ran it now. If you can get it to hook, then maybe you'll turn an 11.6 or 11.7 on a 45 degree day I'm sure. What I do is just forget about brake torqing a loading up the converter. Most guys do that, I find that the tires just spin that way for me. I'm no expert either, but I ran two 1.6 second 60' times back in June by simply letting the engine idle, and hitting the go pedal when the tree truned. and with 22 PSI in the Nittos, the car hooked perfectly both times. So maybe that will work for you too. let me know if you do go again, and how you do. I'm routing for ya.

[Zack]

Hey all you nimwits who dont even know the website.
Click on Details on the timeslips page and all the info you need is right there.
Duh.

[BillyGman]

Hey all you nimwits who dont even know the website.
Click on Details on the timeslips page and all the info you need is right there.
Duh.First off, it doesn't list the 330' nor the 1,000' times, nor the track temperature in the details page like it does on many timeslips, and second of all there are many members who've left many of the other things blank in the "details" listing. So your comments are no great revealation to me Zack. Secondly, if you're going to bother to list all of the things that the "details" page does include, then why not just post your timeslip? What have you got to hide? your car is plenty fast, so I'm sure that all of the numbers will be great.

[duhtroll]

From Billy's example above (the long one not the one right before this) he made some conclusions . . .

None of which could not be reached with current time slip DB information - IOW without the 330' and 1000' times. He obviously wants it to be more specific. Nothing wrong with that.

However, we are friends here and we should trust each other. If someone posts a time and has the HP to theoretically make that time, it makes sense to me to honor that. If I get my panties in a bunch worrying about it, well, let's just say I don't see that happening.

The only reason to *require* a timeslip posting on this board is because you don't believe the person entering it, plain and simple. The information needed for the desired conclusions is there in the details section.

If users want the 330' and 1000' times then they can contact the member who made the posting and therefore deal with it directly rather than posting thread after thread about it in the forums. OR perhaps when Logan does get some time he can make that simple addition. He has said nothing is changing, moot point and so on, so again it doesn't really matter.

When people ask me how fast my car is, and I say "14.3 in the 1/4" I have never been asked for a time slip, nor do I carry it with me. When I ask people the same question and I hear a "13.0" from a Pontiac GXP, I don't ask them to produce one, either.

This is a hobby. For fun. If this were for money or something (i.e. professional) then I could see the requirement.

-A

[mpearce]

I see this thread has been slightly diverted. Let me attempt to vector us back on course. I thought we were voting on the ability to compare Marauder with Marauder on the timeslip page? If you can sort by 60ft, 1/8th mile, and "cars w/proof of ET"...you can certianly add options to the "sort-by" list. There are simple solutions out there. Will any action be taken? IMO the most simple solution would be to use the "sort-by" menu. Then you could sort by "vehicle" possibly have 3 different selections in the menu. Marauders, Panther Platform, and Non Marauders. This I'm sure would require everyone to type one of those words into the "ride" section of the timeslip...but that's not too hard. Either that, or have a check box listed as to which vehicle one has etc. This way, Marauders can compare Marauders, Crown Vic's, CVPI's etc. can compare each other, and Non Marauders can compare each other. To me this seems like a logical solution to what has become quite a discussion. This way everyone can have their cake, and eat it too. It gives us the ability to have options. What does everyone think?

-Mat

[BillyGman]

That sounds fine to me Mat. I know Logan isn't going to change it, and that's his decision that we have to live with. However, I just thought that people who've actually had the enthusiasm about their cars to take them to the track and race them, would also have the enthusiasm to post their timeslips for the benefit of other members. It seems like some members here have actually put forth more effort into argiung about why they don't need to post a timeslip than it would've taken for them to simply post their timeslips in the first place.


I guess it shouldn't be called a "TIMESLIPS" database, because the timeslips part of it is a farce amongst some members. I also think that it boils down to what the motivation of the members who post their track #'s is. Some people here want to help others to realize what can be done w/their Marauders through modifications by supplying them w/all the info that the timeslips offer, while at the same time perhaps brag a little, while some other people obviously just want to brag, and nothing more. And I think that if we have to write and ask someone about some of their track numbers on their timeslips when they've already placed an entry in the "TIMESLIPS" list, then it defeats the whole purpose of a "TIMESLIPS" database since that so called database listing is NOT supplying us w/the information that the mere title implies.....a "TIMESLIP". What's so difficult about that to understand? As far as I'm concerned, this isn't about Logan enforcing people to post their timeslips. He shouldn't have to. That should be a natural occurence when people participate in something called a "TIMESLIPS" list. Perhaps some people have trouble reading that word when they click on it....."TIMESLIPS"....:rolleyes:

[Paul T. Casey]

While I agree whole-heartedly with Billy's reasons, I still say the slip isn't necessary for all members here. There's enough "hard core" draggers that do list their slips. For many, it is indeed a "bragging post." It's a fun site, and for some, the "I've got a time posted on MM.net" is all they really want out of it. I am also of the opinion, that after a while, some of these "braggers" will become more involved and eventually post a hard copy of the slip. But, I personally see no reason to require one. Also, after more thought, I'm glad I voted for Panthers only, Camaros, Mustangs, Geo's, etc. don't hold any interest for me.

[stevengerard]

looking at my vortech in the box with its really neat looking intercooler I think its worth a 11.9 I'll post it soon. :rolleyes:

[Smokie]

I would vote in this poll if Logan was to say he is prepared to make a change, I have no reason to believe he will change anything...so what is the point ?

[MI2QWK4U]

Dave, w/the kind of boost, and HP that your car has, I have no doubt that you'll be well into the 11's on a cool day like we've been having recently. my car would be in the very high 11's if I ran it now. If you can get it to hook, then maybe you'll turn an 11.6 or 11.7 on a 45 degree day I'm sure. What I do is just forget about brake torqing a loading up the converter. Most guys do that, I find that the tires just spin that way for me. I'm no expert either, but I ran two 1.6 second 60' times back in June by simply letting the engine idle, and hitting the go pedal when the tree truned. and with 22 PSI in the Nittos, the car hooked perfectly both times. So maybe that will work for you too. let me know if you do go again, and how you do. I'm routing for ya.

Billy,
I think the thing to consider is when i ran that 12.23 my posi was shot and I couldnt muster any kind of burnout whatsoever, and as a result, I couldnt hook up at all and had to suffer on my 60 ft times. Before the Posi went, i think the best 60 ft time was 1.78 with the larger pully. I think that with a good burnout and launch, my 60 ft will drop to at least 1.8 or better, and the car does pull well towards the end. You pointed that fact out when you compared our times, almost equal, but my 60 ft sucked next to yours, and I made up over .2 of a second during the run. I may get to Norwalk this week and actually get in a couple of good runs.

[Logan]

Big 'ol case of absolutely no time to do anything. My time available for site maintenance was cut about 70% in the past week and will continue to be so for some time. So if y'all thought I had little patience for crap before, I now have 70% less patience.

Hence this thread being...