Poll, would you like another complete S/C option for your MM?

[maraudernkc]

Yes

or


NO

[MARAUDER S/C #5]

No...........

[Fourth Horseman]

I can't afford one, but personally I think the options we have now are pretty sweet. I guess I'd have to vote "no."

[FiveO]

The more the merrier.

Bring on the innovation!

[Patrick]

I always like more options!!

[GarageMahal]

Although I will most likely get the Trillogy kit I am all for more choices.

jta

[Matt In Detroit]

I say bring em on. As much as id like to install a trilogy kit i dont understand why it costs $6k. Im definately not gonna throw that much more at this car.

[maraudernkc]

Just say how you really feel about it. LOL!




No...........

[Tallboy]

I say bring em on. As much as id like to install a trilogy kit i dont understand why it costs $6k. Im definately not gonna throw that much more at this car.

it is my opinion that if you were to see the contents of the kit and drive a trilogy-equipped car, you would not be able to write the check fast enough.;)

[RoyLPita]

There's a saying that I use: "If you have control of the market (like Trilogy), then you can name your own price." Bring on the others and the price will go down.

[Al Goguen]

What he said.....competion brings the price down.....Trilogy although
no doubt a very nice unit is still alot of money. me 2 cents..:beer:


There's a saying that I use: "If you have control of the market (like Trilogy), then you can name your own price." Bring on the others and the price will go down.

[MMM2003]

Yes. I'd like to see another option. Particular if it falls more into the Mustang pricing range ($3-4k).

[maraudernkc]

I disagree 100% I own a 2004 Grand Prix GTP with an Eaton Super Charger and it works well but I have also driven the Mustangs and Vettes with the Pro Charger and I would buy the Pro Charger any day. That is my opinion as you have yours and I do respect that you like your Eaton S/C. All I ask is that you respect my opnion also.

If it is a S/C MM it's all good!



it is my opinion that if you were to see the contents of the kit and drive a trilogy-equipped car, you would not be able to write the check fast enough.;)

[Tallboy]

There's a saying that I use: "If you have control of the market (like Trilogy), then you can name your own price." Bring on the others and the price will go down.
trilogy may be the most popular choice, but they hardly seem to have "control" of the market. you can purchase a supercharger from dennis reinhart or kenny brown just as easily. i think more supercharger choices are a good thing, and procharger will no doubt come up with an awesome kit, but i doubt it willl effect the price of the trilogy.

we'll continue this friday night...;)

[SergntMac]

trilogy may be the most popular choice, but they hardly seem to have "control" of the market. you can purchase a supercharger from dennis reinhart or kenny brown just as easily.
Not quite...Kenny Brown does not sell a supercharger kit, he offers a Marauder S package starting around 17K. It's a whole car treatment.

I voted yes. I'm excited at the competition and technology. While others are hoping to see a ProCharger kit at Mustang prices, I'm hoping to see Vortech quality with less power/risk. An under 4K kit that produces 80-100 RWHP and runs the MM at a brisk pace, is the middle ground largely ignored, and not accessible to us without many powertrain mods. Let them follow at a later time, on an "as needed/wanted" basis.

I know what folks like CruzTaker and others have invested in their MMs, I invested likewise in my first MM, before any kit was avialable from anyone. It would have been very sweet back then to just bolt on a medium powered supercharger kit (6 PSI?) without treating (or threatening) internals, or, other powertrain systems with multiple upgrades.

There's hope here, for a marriage between a bone stock MM and a ProCharger kit, and running consistent 13s. What a bracket car that would make, without all the other do-dads...

[MAD-3R]

Not quite...Kenny Brown does not sell a supercharger kit, he offers a Marauder S package starting around 17K. It's a whole car treatment.

I voted yes. I'm excited at the competition and technology. While others are hoping to see a ProCharger kit at Mustang prices, I'm hoping to see Vortech quality with less power/risk. An under 4K kit that produces 80-100 RWHP and runs the MM at a brisk pace, is the middle ground largely ignored, and not accessible to us without many powertrain mods. Let them follow at a later time, on an "as needed/wanted" basis.

I know what folks like CruzTaker and others have invested in their MMs, I invested likewise in my first MM, before any kit was avialable from anyone. It would have been very sweet back then to just bolt on a medium powered supercharger kit (6 PSI?) without treating (or threatening) internals, or, other powertrain systems with multiple upgrades.

There's hope here, for a marriage between a bone stock MM and a ProCharger kit, and running consistent 13s. What a bracket car that would make, without all the other do-dads...


Such a kit would be great for me as well. With my compresion, and stroker, I am unable to purchase a 7k kit just to get 50 -75 hp. But 4k? That I might be able to swing.

[Tallboy]

[QUOTE=SergntMac]Not quite...Kenny Brown does not sell a supercharger kit, he offers a Marauder S package starting around 17K. It's a whole car treatment.

you're right-i should've been more specific in my post. :o

[Cobra25]

There's a saying that I use: "If you have control of the market (like Trilogy), then you can name your own price." Bring on the others and the price will go down. For the most part he's right. Alot of us here feel the $6000-$6500 plus shipping ( $200 approx) then install $1000-$1300 you are up to some where between $7200 to $7800 hundred for a S/C. If Procharger come's up with a really good S/C kit & it is priced around $3500-$4500 they will make a killing on sale's here.

[ADE 1000]

As many have said before me, I would be all for a kit that is positioned at a lower price point than the existing options. At the same price point, I would lean towards the current proven setups.

Come out with a quality kit in the $3-$4K price range and get your waiting list ready.

[MARAUDER S/C #5]

it is my opinion that if you were to see the contents of the kit and drive a trilogy-equipped car, you would not be able to write the check fast enough.;)
Exactly, well said! ;)

[FiveO]

I disagree 100% I own a 2004 Grand Prix GTP with an Eaton Super Charger and it works well but I have also driven the Mustangs and Vettes with the Pro Charger and I would buy the Pro Charger any day. That is my opinion as you have yours and I do respect that you like your Eaton S/C. All I ask is that you respect my opnion also.

If it is a S/C MM it's all good!
The Eaton on the GTP is a much smaller unit IIRC.

[stevengerard]

it is my opinion that if you were to see the contents of the kit and drive a trilogy-equipped car, you would not be able to write the check fast enough.;)

I big YES vote from me. Actually if a N/A MM driver takes a test drive in any of the different S/C cars they would feel the same. If you add up all the KB S, Vortech and Procharger cars there are a lot of the centrifuical ones out there. Anyway you slice it it good for us, I can't wait for a turbo kit or a Kenne Bell twinn - we can all dream.

[FordNut]

I'm all for another kit. But it's gotta be different from all the rest. Such as what is being discussed on the ProCharger kit, a draw-thru MAF and air-air intercooler.

[Jaguar]

Where's the twin screw at?

[tmac1337]

I say bring em on. As much as id like to install a trilogy kit i dont understand why it costs $6k. Im definately not gonna throw that much more at this car.

My thoughts exactly!

[tmac1337]

Not quite...Kenny Brown does not sell a supercharger kit, he offers a Marauder S package starting around 17K. It's a whole car treatment.

I voted yes. I'm excited at the competition and technology. While others are hoping to see a ProCharger kit at Mustang prices, I'm hoping to see Vortech quality with less power/risk. An under 4K kit that produces 80-100 RWHP and runs the MM at a brisk pace, is the middle ground largely ignored, and not accessible to us without many powertrain mods. Let them follow at a later time, on an "as needed/wanted" basis.

I know what folks like CruzTaker and others have invested in their MMs, I invested likewise in my first MM, before any kit was avialable from anyone. It would have been very sweet back then to just bolt on a medium powered supercharger kit (6 PSI?) without treating (or threatening) internals, or, other powertrain systems with multiple upgrades.

There's hope here, for a marriage between a bone stock MM and a ProCharger kit, and running consistent 13s. What a bracket car that would make, without all the other do-dads...


Well said MAC

[HwyCruiser]

Market research?

I think the question is too general to be of much use for you, but I'm game... so yes, I like options. Who wouldn't want options unless one is already invested and trying to protect a position?

The real question, after the dust settles, a product is created, and the offer rolls out, is does it fit onto the bang for the buck curve? We know what +30 to +60 rwhp costs as well as what +150 rwhp costs. Find the sweet spot in between with a comparable cost / performance ratio and you be selling hotcakes my friend.

My $0.02.

- JD

[tmac1337]

it is my opinion that if you were to see the contents of the kit and drive a trilogy-equipped car, you would not be able to write the check fast enough.;)


Tallboy, how much do you think the contents of that kit cost? 2K? 3k? Lets say 3K. 3K X 60 units = $180,000.00 in profit and growing. Although I know the Trilogy kit is the best so far I think it could be more reasonably priced. Cobra25 is right about $7800.00 to get and install one. Out of thousands of owners, hundreds of members on this site, only sixty have Trilogy, because it costs a lot of $. Don't get me wrong, I think the Trilogy kit is the best kit so far, but I am hesitant to write my value for money check.

[Tallboy]

Tallboy, how much do you think the contents of that kit cost? 2K? 3k? Lets say 3K. 3K X 60 units = $180,000.00 in profit and growing. Although I know the Trilogy kit is the best so far I think it could be more reasonably priced. Cobra25 is right about $7800.00 to get and install one. Out of thousands of owners, hundreds of members on this site, on sixty have Trilogy, because it costs a lot of $. Don't get me wrong, I think the Trilogy kit is the best kit so far, but I am hesitant to write my value for money check.if this is your logic, you shouldn't be driving a marauder, as the panther platform is by far ford's most profitable car platform, even when factoring in rebates.:D

i want trilogy to make money. i want them to be around if i ever need parts, service, or another supercharger for another marauder.

[FordNut]

Where's the twin screw at?
Hopefully someday this will happen, too!

[klmore]

it is my opinion that if you were to see the contents of the kit and drive a trilogy-equipped car, you would not be able to write the check fast enough.;)Heck if all it takes is a check I have plenty of those.:P

I say yes, options are good. I am saving my pennies for the Trilogy kit, but if a new kit comes out soon and is cheaper? Who knows those pennies may start to burn a hole in my pocket.:dunno:

I do know that Trilogy and Dennis had to design and produce a kit for a limited production car. That takes money, then you have to take into consideration they may only sell 100, or a 150 to cover the cost. That is a tuff break even point and profit point. I would say these kits aren't so much target price driven as much as cost. I would like the cost of the Trilogy kit to come down. If it was $4500 I would already own one, but as a business owner I understand you can't stay in business giving things away.:twocents:

[Tallboy]

Heck if all it takes is a check I have plenty of those.:P

I say yes, options are good. I am saving my pennies for the Trilogy kit, but if a new kit comes out soon and is cheaper? Who knows those pennies may start to burn a hole in my pocket.:dunno:

I do know that Trilogy and Dennis had to design and produce a kit for a limited production car. That takes money, then you have to take into consideration they may only sell 100, or a 150 to cover the cost. That is a tuff break even point and profit point. I would say these kits aren't so much target price driven as much as cost. I would like the cost of the Trilogy kit to come down. If it was $4500 I would already own one, but as a business owner I understand you can't stay in business giving things away.:twocents:
bingo. trilogy was my choice, but doesn't make it better than vortech or anyone else's superchargers. i'm all for procharger putting this kit together if it brings the supercharger expirience to people who otherwise would not do it. you can go wrong with any supercharger on a marauder.;)

[tmac1337]

if this is your logic, you shouldn't be driving a marauder, as the panther platform is by far ford's most profitable car platform, even when factoring in rebates.:D

i want trilogy to make money. i want them to be around if i ever need parts, service, or another supercharger for another marauder.

Don't get me wrong Tallboy, I'm all for a business or businessman making money, especially American ones like ford. When it comes to buying a car though, there is a lot of choices, that is why American companies are getting killed by competition. Because of competitive competition the makers have to make a quality product for a price in the range of the others. Now back to superchargers, that's not whats happening here. There are no others, only Reinhart. It's about choice and competition. There is a lack of competition here. I'm all about a quality product for a reasonable price. The quality product is there (Trilogy) but the price being reasonable or not is debatable. This is because there is no competitive products so you either pay the cash or you do not get to enjoy what so far only a limited number of people are enjoying. I think that's a shame and seems to go against why we have a internet member site. That's why I think a 4K Procharger kit is very attractive.

[Tallboy]

Don't get me wrong Tallboy, I'm all for a business or businessman making money, especially American ones like ford. When it comes to buying a car though, there is a lot of choices, that is why American companies are getting killed by competition. Because of competitive competition the makers have to make a quality product for a price in the range of the others. Now back to superchargers, that's not whats happening here. There are no others, only Reinhart. It's about choice and competition. There is a lack of competition here. I'm all about a quality product for a reasonable price. The quality product is there (Trilogy) but the price being reasonable or not is debatable. This is because there is no competitive products so you either pay the cash or you do not get to enjoy what so far only a limited number of people are enjoying. I think that's a shame and seems to go against why we have a internet member site. That's why I think a 4K Procharger kit is very attractive.and your reasons are exactly why i hope procharger comes through. my personal opinion is if they come out with a competitive kit in the 4 grand neighborhood, they'll sell a ton of them.

however, regardless of how many superchargers vortech and procharger pump out, i don't believe it will affect the price of the trilogy kit by one nickel.

[bigslim]

I must say that if any supercharger kit comes in for around $3500-$4000 it probably will not be intercooled. Jerry Barnes once told me that he thought about bring a less expensive supercharger package without an intercooler to market. He said that a non-intercooled supercharged MM would not be enough performance to justify it's price. I have seen non-intercooled cars run and they can't compare to an intercooled one. If anyone has been in a supercharged will know they run very hot. I don't see anyone bringing a intercooled supercharger to market for too much cheaper than the kits that are already out there.

[tmac1337]

Slim, Maraudernkc stated that it will run a 3 core air to air intercooler.

[Joe Walsh]

Hopefully someday this will happen, too!

Don't hold your breath...I've been bugging Kenne Bell for two years about a Marauder twin screw S/C, most recently about a month ago. They say; "NOPE! NOT IN OUR PLANS". I told them to check out our website and they might reconsider...(Maybe we should keep bugging them!) I also talked to Whipplecharger...same answer; "Nope! NOT IN OUR PLANS". What bothers me the most is that both companys have MACH 1 kits, which are 85% the same as a MM.

[BillyGman]

it is my opinion that if you were to see the contents of the kit and drive a trilogy-equipped car, you would not be able to write the check fast enough.;)I agree..........

[BillyGman]

. It would have been very sweet back then to just bolt on a medium powered supercharger kit (6 PSI?) without treating (or threatening) internals, or, other powertrain systems with multiple upgrades.

.While I have no objection to any additional S/cer kit being available on the market for Maruders, I also would like to point out that a number of the 54 Trilogy S/Cer equipped Marauders have no other modifications other than the Trilogy S/Cer kit itself, and the stock internals have held-up just fine.

[Zack]

A lot of people have been discussing the price of S/C Kits here.
Well, after a few years of information gathering Ive come to realize you cant Vortech your Marauder for any less the about $5500, thats buying everything direct from the manufacturers, and somme custom fabbing on your own would be in order.
The Trilogy kit on the other hand can be made to work for much less if you did it on your own. You will have the throttle body on the passengers side, but for cost savings who cares, right? Im pretty sure everything for the Trilogy setup comes in somewhere between $3000-$3500 BUT I COULD BE WRONG

[mrogerc]

When I looked through the awesome Trilogy manual, the amount of engineering and custom fabrication that went into their kit, the outstanding quality of the components, and then factored the amount of risk they took in bringing it to market---$6K seems like a great bargain. There is not a single part of the kit that seems cheaply made or poorly designed.

When you consider the total investment, including the original price of the car and the kit, the Trilogy S/C Maruader is a hell of a value.

Sure it would be great if there were lots of competitors, but the Maruader had a very limited production life. Frankly, we are lucky the engine is shared with the Mustang, or we would likely have no supercharger kit. I know that the folks on the Lincoln LS club would love to have even ONE supercharger kit, but even with much larger production numbers, they have none.

[hdwrench]

i agree the trilogy install manual is great and makes it look simple if you are mechanically inclined. i wish it was 3k-3500 like previously mentioned... it is more like 6k+

[Marauder]

I say yes. I'm leaning toward a trilogy kit but more options, more competition from venders, possible lower price range.

[BillyGman]

The Trilogy kit on the other hand can be made to work for much less if you did it on your own. You will have the throttle body on the passengers side, but for cost savings who cares, right? Im pretty sure everything for the Trilogy setup comes in somewhere between $3000-$3500 BUT I COULD BE WRONGZack, You keep making statements like this. What about the fact that there aren't any brackets for the alternator made by Ford to relocate the alternator like the Trilogy kit comes with? Because relocating the alternator, and turning it around backwards is needed on a Marauder to make room for a roots S/Cer. I've told you that before. And then there's the issue of the Cobra S/Cer having a shorter snout than what's needed on a Marauder because of the different accessory locations. And then in order to mount the intake on the opposite side like you're implying here, you have to relocate the battery tray to the driver's side. And then you have to deal w/all of the emissions hoses and lines that comes w/the Trilogy kit. If the only issue was the battery having to be relocated, then maybe that wouldn't be so bad, and your point would then be valid. But that isn't the case at all. Have you even seen a Trilogy kit for yourself? It sure doesn't sound like it.

[BillyGman]

Now back to superchargers, that's not whats happening here. There are no others, only Reinhart.Uhmm, you should investigate this entire topic a little more, because the Trilogy S/cer kit isn't made by Dennis Reinhart. He's just one of the people who will install one for you. So the S/Cer kits available for the Marauder are NOT from Dennis Reinhart only. Trilogy Motorsports manufactures and sells the Trilogy S/Cer kits which are very different than the kit that Dennis has designed.

And BTW, even though I'm not opposed to another S/cer kit for the Marauder being designed, I voted "NO" simply because I already have a S/Cer kit installed on my Marauder, and it works excellent, as that same kit does for 53 other Marauder owners on their cars. And as far as I know, the Reinhart S/cer kit works great on the 20+ Marauders that it has been installed on. So when ever anyone asks me what S/Cer kit they should install on their Marauder, I always suggest the Trilogy kit since it's simply top notch, and if after I've stated why I think it's the best, they're still bent on a centrifugal S/cer on their Marauder, then I tell them that the Reinhart kit is the way to go IF they insist on having a centrifugal type S/Cer.

[David Morton]

I voted yes but what I'd really like to see is somebody offer a twin turbocharger system. I feel the clearance and plumbing problems could be solved with exhaust manifolds designed for the application.

Pro Turbo Kits has this single unit ( http://66.70.20.245/store/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=41 ) for $4799.99, and it's advertised HP of 371 at the rear wheels is close to the Trilogy's 374, but what's up with that 471 ft/lbs torque? Trilogy claims 345. If these two values are for the same rpm, that would be 4170 rpm for the turbo and 5693 for the Trilogy!(?) That's the problem with these guys not telling us the @'s of HP and torque. What good is 370 HP @ 6200 rpm if you don't have 200 at 4000? A high and wide band of torque is what gets the job done, and I doubt if this turbo unit is doing very much at 1200 rpm.

[Tallboy]

i agree the trilogy install manual is great and makes it look simple if you are mechanically inclined. i wish it was 3k-3500 like previously mentioned... it is more like 6k+
the price is $5995.00
polished blower is $6995.00
if you've ever seen the contents of the kit, or driven/ridden in a trilogy-epuipped car, you would know it's worth every nickel.

[maraudernkc]

The MM kit will be intercooled and your right the HP would not be there if it was not Intercooled.




I must say that if any supercharger kit comes in for around $3500-$4000 it probably will not be intercooled. Jerry Barnes once told me that he thought about bring a less expensive supercharger package without an intercooler to market. He said that a non-intercooled supercharged MM would not be enough performance to justify it's price. I have seen non-intercooled cars run and they can't compare to an intercooled one. If anyone has been in a supercharged will know they run very hot. I don't see anyone bringing a intercooled supercharger to market for too much cheaper than the kits that are already out there.

[maraudernkc]

That could change to a 2 core depending on HP levels, I want to keep the cost down but HP at around 430HP




Slim, Maraudernkc stated that it will run a 3 core air to air intercooler.

[maraudernkc]

It will be Intercooled air to air with either a 2 core or 3 core




I must say that if any supercharger kit comes in for around $3500-$4000 it probably will not be intercooled. Jerry Barnes once told me that he thought about bring a less expensive supercharger package without an intercooler to market. He said that a non-intercooled supercharged MM would not be enough performance to justify it's price. I have seen non-intercooled cars run and they can't compare to an intercooled one. If anyone has been in a supercharged will know they run very hot. I don't see anyone bringing a intercooled supercharger to market for too much cheaper than the kits that are already out there.

[maraudernkc]

How many miles our on you MM?
While I have no objection to any additional S/cer kit being available on the market for Maruders, I also would like to point out that a number of the 54 Trilogy S/Cer equipped Marauders have no other modifications other than the Trilogy S/Cer kit itself, and the stock internals have held-up just fine.

[maraudernkc]

I agree with you Zach I would not buy a S/C kit unless it was turn key. There time consuming to put on even if it's a complete kit like the Trilogy.




Zack, You keep making statements like this. What about the fact that there aren't any brackets for the alternator made by Ford to relocate the alternator like the Trilogy kit comes with? Because relocating the alternator, and turning it around backwards is needed on a Marauder to make room for a roots S/Cer. I've told you that before. And then there's the issue of the Cobra S/Cer having a shorter snout than what's needed on a Marauder because of the different accessory locations. And then in order to mount the intake on the opposite side like you're implying here, you have to relocate the battery tray to the driver's side. And then you have to deal w/all of the emissions hoses and lines that comes w/the Trilogy kit. If the only issue was the battery having to be relocated, then maybe that wouldn't be so bad, and your point would then be valid. But that isn't the case at all. Have you even seen a Trilogy kit for yourself? It sure doesn't sound like it.

[Smokie]

I am very patient, glad there will be more choices....although based on some of the comments I read here...if I was Jerry Barnes I would raise the price of my kit.:lol:

[SergntMac]

Can't help wondering where we would be today, and what we would be talking about, if the Marauder had come with a Mach I style intake, from the passenger side of the car...

[BillyGman]

How many miles our on you MM?
It's about to turn at the 19K mark, and I installed the Trilogy S/Cer when it had 11K

[klmore]

Can't help wondering where we would be today, and what we would be talking about, if the Marauder had come with a Mach I style intake, from the passenger side of the car...
Interesting point. :thinker: