Which Supercharger??!!

[TechHeavy]

Hi guys! I am a brand new member of this excellent site/forum and this is my first post. I don't know much about the things I'll be asking advice on, but you guys sure seem to know your stuff so I'm excited to be here.
Ok, corny introduction out of the way.... I'm fixing to open up a big can of worms. :0
I just bought an '03 Marauder about 2 months ago and I want to Supercharge it. I've done some reading online and it seems that the Vortech has the best numbers, (horsepower, 0-60, and 1/4 mile). However, I won't mention the vendor's name, (but you all will know since he is a vendor on this site and has his own forum) I was quoted a price of $6500 just for the kit... which seemed really high to me after reading prices of Superchargers for other cars in Performance magazines. I want to make my Marauder faster, (as it should have come from the factory like the Lightning) but I don't want to go bankrupt doing it... So here are my questions... (finally! lol).

Which Supercharger is "best", (I know this is subjective, but my criteria are finding the sweet spot between price and performance)?
What is a fair price for the Supercharger? (Dennis, if you read this don't get mad... I'm just doing my homework like I know you would.... lol).

Guys, I really need your thoughts and collective wisdom on this decision.

Thanks!
TechHeavy

[BillyGman]

There are 2 S/cer kits currently available for the Marauder, and there might be a third one on the horizon. But of the two that are currently avialble, one is a centrifugal design which has been designed by Dennis Reinhart, and to my knowledge has been used by 20+ Marauder owners successfully, and the other is one designed and sold by another vendor on this board named Trilogy Motorsports, which has been successfully installed and used on 54 Marauders (including mine). They both make a Marauder very fast. The Trilogy Motorsports S/cer is an Eaton M112 S/Cer similar to the one on the Cobra and the Lightning which has been adapted to work on the Marauder. It is a roots type Supercharger which delivers more low-end torque than the centrifugal Vortech S/Cer included in Dennis's kit. But the centrifugal design offers some more HP above 5,000 RPM's than a roots type S/Cer does. So it's a trade-off between the two. Both kits have shown to be very good on Marauders. Ofcourse, I like the Trilogy one better. But that's my opinion.

[Patrick]

Welcome!!!!

[merc406]

If your not a Chevy owner tryin to start some S:censor:T, then contact the 2 Vendors on this board and get each one's product info and then make a choice. Good luck and happy :burnout:

[MM03MOK]

I would suggest searching the archives for supercharger threads such as this one. While considering price, also consider hourly labor charges. Feel free to talk to the vendors directly too. It really comes down to what you want to accomplish and what's the best fit for your goal and your pocketbook.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13383

[maraudernkc]

We are working on a Pro Charger kit right now that will be in production by the first of the Year. It will have all the HP the others have and will have an air to air intercooler. The price will be priced like the procharger for the Mustangs. If you want to check out Pro Chargers web site go to procharger.com

They are all good S/C kit just alot of $$$$$$$$$$$$



Hi guys! I am a brand new member of this excellent site/forum and this is my first post. I don't know much about the things I'll be asking advice on, but you guys sure seem to know your stuff so I'm excited to be here.
Ok, corny introduction out of the way.... I'm fixing to open up a big can of worms. :0
I just bought an '03 Marauder about 2 months ago and I want to Supercharge it. I've done some reading online and it seems that the Vortech has the best numbers, (horsepower, 0-60, and 1/4 mile). However, I won't mention the vendor's name, (but you all will know since he is a vendor on this site and has his own forum) I was quoted a price of $6500 just for the kit... which seemed really high to me after reading prices of Superchargers for other cars in Performance magazines. I want to make my Marauder faster, (as it should have come from the factory like the Lightning) but I don't want to go bankrupt doing it... So here are my questions... (finally! lol).

Which Supercharger is "best", (I know this is subjective, but my criteria are finding the sweet spot between price and performance)?
What is a fair price for the Supercharger? (Dennis, if you read this don't get mad... I'm just doing my homework like I know you would.... lol).

Guys, I really need your thoughts and collective wisdom on this decision.

Thanks!
TechHeavy

[TechHeavy]

Hi BillyGman! Thank you for your input! Very informative! I had a feeling I could count on someone in this forum to Step Up and "school" me on S/cers.

I'd say more but I'm too excited to log-on to the Trilogy forum, lol!

Thanks again.



There are 2 S/cer kits currently available for the Marauder, and there might be a third one on the horizon. But of the two that are currently avialble, one is a centrifugal design which has been designed by Dennis Reinhart, and to my knowledge has been used by 20+ Marauder owners successfully, and the other is one designed and sold by another vendor on this board named Trilogy Motorsports, which has been successfully installed and used on 54 Marauders (including mine). They both make a Marauder very fast. The Trilogy Motorsports S/cer is an Eaton M112 S/Cer similar to the one on the Cobra and the Lightning which has been adapted to work on the Marauder. It is a roots type Supercharger which delivers more low-end torque than the centrifugal Vortech S/Cer included in Dennis's kit. But the centrifugal design offers some more HP above 5,000 RPM's than a roots type S/Cer does. So it's a trade-off between the two. Both kits have shown to be very good on Marauders. Ofcourse, I like the Trilogy one better. But that's my opinion.

[TechHeavy]

Thanks Patrick! :)


Welcome!!!!

[TechHeavy]

That's a good idea. Thanks.


If your not a Chevy owner tryin to start some S:censor:T, then contact the 2 Vendors on this board and get each one's product info and then make a choice. Good luck and happy :burnout:

[TechHeavy]

Thanks for the thread. I love this forum! :)


I would suggest searching the archives for supercharger threads such as this one. While considering price, also consider hourly labor charges. Feel free to talk to the vendors directly too. It really comes down to what you want to accomplish and what's the best fit for your goal and your pocketbook.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13383

[RoyLPita]

Welcome aboard, TechHeavy. Enjoy your new MM. If you like instantanious HP, then go for the Trilogy model. If you are used to running at high RPMS, then go for the Vortech.

Just my .02 and then some.

[MAD-3R]

In reguards to the cost.

Keep in mind that this is a very limited production car, and there will be a low demand for the product. So that keeps the price higher then say the kits for Mustangs.

[dwasson]

This isn't controversy. Try asking about oil if you want to start a fight. :grouphug:

[Bradley G]

We asked , we acted, and now we're stuck over there;)
This isn't controversy. Try asking about oil if you want to start a fight. :grouphug:

[Mike Poore]

Which Supercharger is "best", (I know this is subjective, but my criteria are finding the sweet spot between price and performance)? :welcome: Tech, you've stumbled into a treasure trove . The willingness to share information and help, not to mention the level of competence within this group is without equal. It seems to me, the answer to which blower to install, depends upon who is close enough to install it. I have personal experience albeit 2nd hand, with the Kenny Brown setup on Haggis' MM and am very impressed with the quality of the job, and the reliability of the package. We hear the glowing reports about Dennis Reinhart's installations, and I wouldn't hesitate for a second to contact him. Personally, I don't think it's the system so much as the shop where you're having the work done. Keeping in mind that you're supercharging a high dollar engine with 10.1:1 compression ratio as a starting point, there's not much room allowed to be the first guy to learn a lesson. But there's more: and by this, I'm talking about a series of mods, not just bolting on an SC kit. The proper chip, installed by the tuner, in my opinion, is the biggest and most likely place to find disaster. Next, the transmission, drive shaft and rear, need to be properly set up and modified. There are guys and teams of guys doing it themselves, (Zac, for instance is in the 11's) but I'd never try the install myself. Bottom line? Take a look at the venders here, pick out the closest one, and start from there. No matter which system you choose, the result will be simply f'n awsome!:soapbox:

[tmac1337]

Techheavy, are you for real, I sense foul play.

[MarauderMark]

Welcome !!! your gonna love the s/cer:burn:



There is Dennis Reinhart , Trilogy , Kenny brown , Procharger(which we waiting for more info on) ..http://www.superchargersonline.com



I currently am running Denniss stage III complete.and i am satisfied but not done yet..cause once you start you can't stopp

[TechHeavy]

I am definately "for real".... I needed to learn about MM s/cs and am doing that, (without a doubt!). Not sure of your inquiry....

TechHeavy

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QUOTE=tmac1337]Techheavy, are you for real, I sense foul play.[/QUOTE]

[MI2QWK4U]

If you want bone jarring torque and power right off the line, its a simple choice, Trilogy Eaton Supercharger. The roots supercharger is liquid intercooled for more efficiency and power output. You wont need to modify as much if you go with a trilogy setup as with other offerings, no torque converter upgrade, no thermostat change, no expensive spark plugs, trans mods, etc etc. You can mod your car more if you go with the Trilogy blower if you like, and push the setup harder than it comes to you stock. If you take the stock Trilogy setup, once its installed you might want wider factory rims and wider rear tires to put that power to the ground, but thats about it. There are no other mods you need to do in preparation for the supercharger installation as with some other choices may tell you. The Trilogy was designed and engineered in CAD models provided by Ford Motor Company. The engineers saw the whole setup on CAD before a bold or bracket was made, and when the CAD renderings were made into parts, it makes the kit look as if Ford put it there themselves. All the clearances and tolerances were checked in CAD and worked out beautifully! I was the first customer to put the Trilogy on my Marauder over a year ago, and I couldnt be happier. No problems or issues whatsoever with the basic setup. Since then I have made a few more performance mods to push the car harder, but if you want a ride to smoke the yuppie in his vette or porsche, this is your beast! Good luck in making an informed choice.

The preceding was the writers personal opinion...

[Tallboy]

my advice is to call jerry barnes and buy the trilogy kit. the performance/quality/appearance of this kit are unmatched. if you could see the kit [in boxes or on the car] or drive the car, you'd have written the check already.:) :burnout:

[04MEMA]

Roots blowers are the ones that make a ton of low end torque. Research the threads on this site, and you'll learn more. I just bought Trilogy kit #56. In my research I've learned that in order to make a cetrifugal s/c to give the driveability I WANT in a heavy car I'd have to go to the expense of adding gears, headers and exhaust, and a torque convertor. So my choice was simple.

My last car was a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP with a roots blown V6. It had great driveability and 280 ftlbs of torque just off idle. Like V8 power. I also owned a Buick Grand National with an intercooled turbo v6, and although you had to wait a moment for the turbo to spool up for it to make strong power, it had it's own charm and pulled really hard. The centrifugal blower is similar to a turbo, but is belt driven instead of exhaust driven, so they take a little while to spin up and create the boost.

The best advice is to find people to give you a ride in cars with both setups and if you're lucky you'll get to drive them. Then add up the costs and make your decision. Good driveability is somewhat subjective. Good luck and welcome MM ownership. :burnout: :banana:

Jeff

[MI2QWK4U]

...In my research I've learned that in order to make a cetrifugal s/c to give the driveability I WANT in a heavy car I'd have to go to the expense of adding gears, headers and exhaust, and a torque convertor. So my choice was simple....
Jeff


Exactly...Well said Jeff. Thats the point I try to make to folks considering the centrifugal. It may be a great setup, but it needs a supporting cast of parts to make it work to its full potential.

[FordNut]

Yep, it's all in what you want. I'm pretty happy with mine down low. I can bust loose the tires more than I want to, so that's fine. With the wider tires that will be coming with widened rear rims, that may not be as easy, but still I'm ok with around town performance. But when I take it to the strip, I want to be able to run with the Mustangs and Lightnings. Lots of them are in the 12s. Some in the 11s. A centrifugal blower will not make much difference down low but will come on strong on the top end. Just what I want. And either system will get you in the 12s pretty easy, maybe even the 11s.

[stevengerard]

Like a few folks said try them if you can. what is intersting to me is that many folks with the roots blower say you don't need to add other stuff - yet they have the gears an kooks and everything else anyway.

But yes the roots is quicker off the start, I felt it myself, great feeling of torque. Though the Vortech just never stops pulling, to get it to pull off the line, yes the torque converter and the gears will help. But then you have the low end pull and a pull that keeps going and going. Also the Vortec runs cooler at the same psi, but because of the torque curve of the roots one does not have to go as high with the roots. Though I'd love to see how much hp and tq a vortec would give our engine at 13.5 or 14.0 psi like some of the roots guys are running.

Anyone have a centrifigal S/C at higher than 10psi?

Anyway you look at it there are now 3 choices

[bigslim]

Like a few folks said try them if you can. what is intersting to me is that many folks with the roots blower say you don't need to add other stuff - yet they have the gears an kooks and everything else anyway.

But yes the roots is quicker off the start, I felt it myself, great feeling of torque. Though the Vortech just never stops pulling, to get it to pull off the line, yes the torque converter and the gears will help. But then you have the low end pull and a pull that keeps going and going. Also the Vortec runs cooler at the same psi, but because of the torque curve of the roots one does not have to go as high with the roots. Though I'd love to see how much hp and tq a vortec would give our engine at 13.5 or 14.0 psi like some of the roots guys are running.

Anyone have a centrifigal S/C at higher than 10psi?

Anyway you look at it there are now 3 choices
You don't need the "extras" such as gears and headers to make the Eaton-type blower perform. This is just something that the owners did to their cars to improve performance. I will be getting my Trilogy this winter and will not do anything else to it other than 410 gears. The only reason I will have the gears is because they are already in my car. With the bottom end torque from the Trilogy package you don't really need anything to help it off the line. There are quite a few members that have only done the blower and not anything else.

[BillyGman]

yep, what Slim said^ ....the reason I have all the other modifications to my car, is simply because I originally was hesistant about spending the money for a S/cer. I also was skeptical about how the factory stock Marauder engine would hold up to S/Cing. But I found out 2 things:

#1. I spent $4,000 on those other modifications looking to get the Marauder perform off the line like a car that has a big block engine, only to find out, that after all that $$$ I spent, the car still didn't move off the line like a big block cars did. And it's the Trilogy S/cer kit alone that will make a Marauder move like that, and I just wish that I bought the Trilogy S/Cer FIRST.If I did, I would've saved myself thousands of dollars in the longrun. The only other modification that I might have done besides the Trilogy kit, would be the Kooks headers and complete exhaust package simply because I love the way it makes the Marauder sound.

#2. There are already dozens of Marauders that have had tens of thousands of miles put on them since getting the Trilogy S/Cer kit installed, and I have yet to hear of a blown engine, or even so much as a blown head gasket amonst the Trilogy customers.

And I've went out of my way to talk to many of them, including one who isn't even on this board, along w/many who are. I've also spoken w/the engine tuner (namely Lidio) who burns all the chips that every chip that comes w/every Trilogy kit, and he's been tuning Mustangs that have been S/ced ever since the 4.6L engine came out back in the 90's. I've also done my homework as much as possible on the subject.

BTW, let me clear up a misconception here about the installation of the Trilogy S/Cer kit. ANY competent mechanic in any garage that works on engines, and who does any high performance work can install the Trilogy Supercharger. ALL COMPLETE S/Cer kits come with a chip which includes all the tuning you'll need for the engine to run properly, and to run strong. Therefore there isn't any tuning that's required after installing the Trilogy S/Cer kit. I installed mine in my car, and all is required after your done, is to turn the key, and begin romping on it. The Trilogy installation manual is the most specific manual ever created. I've used many manuals, and nothing compares. Anybody who's mechanically inclined and who has worked on cars in the past can install the Trilogy S/Cer kit. It's time consuming, sure, but it doesn't require special skills nor special tools. And the kit has everything you'll need other than the new cooler sparkplugs it calls out for. And they're just standard motorcraft sparkplugs that cost $18 for a set of 8 that can be had from your Ford dealer parts department.

So if you do decide on a Trilogy S/Cer, who will install it is NOT a big issue at all, as long as they're an auto mechanic. Some Trilogy customers bring their Marauder to Lidio for the installation in oder to get a few more HP out of the kit since Lidio includes a dyno tune along w/his installation fee. But that is by no means mandatory, and infact Lidio has never even seen my car, and look at what ET #'s my car is running at the track. My Marauder has NEVER been dyno tuned.

[sailsmen]

For me it comes down to geography and that I run at the track.

Being in the Deep South, it was 92* yesterday, a Centrifugal which generates less heat is what will work for me.

Being in the insurance business I rarely exceed the speed limit on the street, i.e., I have my fun at the track.

It's not which system is better it's what better suits your individual needs. Whats better a New York Strip or a Rib Eye?

If you take the Mustang lower priced kits and add back in the parts list from the Reinhart or Triology Kits, i.e intercooled, polished, cobra fuel pumps ect., you will see the price is with in 10-15%. :D

[duhtroll]

Holy crap, Billy. Never? Get that puppy tuned! Shouldn't it lower your ETs?

-A

[BillyGman]

Holy crap, Billy. Never? Get that puppy tuned! Shouldn't it lower your ETs?

-A
Yes, it would lower my ET's, but I can't see it doing that by more than 2 tenths. And because Lidio burns the chips for the Trilogy kits in the first place, and is also the engine tuner who has worked very closely w/Trilogy Motorsports in the development of their kit, I wouldn't even think of bringing my Marauder to anyone else but Lidio. And taking a 12 hour drive, and spending a few hundred dollars for a custom dyno tune, just to gain a 2 or even 3 tenths reduction in my ET's just isn't worth it to me right now. Sure it allow me bragging rights by being able to claim that my car is getting into the 11's, but that doesn't really matter to me. I know my car is fast, and nobody opn the street can keep up w/me. So I'm completely satisfied w/my 9.5 PSI of boost, and a 12.2 ET, which I accomplished 2 out my last three runds back in June in New Jersey.

[BillyGman]

For me it comes down to geography and that I run at the track.

Being in the Deep South, it was 92* yesterday, a Centrifugal which generates less heat is what will work for me.

I don't see that as being any valid reason to avoid getting the Trilogy kit at all. I'm not saying it's wrong for you or for anyone to get a centrifugal type S/Cer. It's your choice, and there are trade-offs w/each design. But heat related issues are NOT one of those trade-offs w/the Trilogy kit, since there aren't any heat related issues due to the intercooler that kit has. In a circle track race that would be the case, but NOT in a drag race which only lasts 12 seconds. If that were a factor w/the roots S/Cer design, then the 4 second Top Fuel dragsters wouldn't be using roots type S/Cers. And they don't even have coolant systems in dragsters.

Most racers only get 3 to 4, 1/4 mile runs in on each of the days they go to the track, with atleast 30 minutes down time between runs anyway. So that's more than enough time for ANY S/Cer to cool down. The only time I've ever gone to any track and have gotten in run after run after run as many times as I want is on a day in mid December last year when there was barely anyone there because it was in the upper 30's at the track. And in those temperatures, nobody will have heat related issues no matter how many times they blast down the dragstrip.

And on the street nobody is able to stay at full throttle for any longer than 7 or 8 seconds at a time either. So the heat related issue at the track w/a roots type blower is a myth, and it isn't a factor on the street either as long as the system in question has a good intercooler. And anyone who has run at the track w/the Trilogy, or with any roots type S/cer which is intercooled knows that.

[TechHeavy]

Wow! I thought that my thread may generate some interest, (as it should since this is the most potent performance upgrade available to ANY car) but I never thought it would attract this many responses.
BillyGman, you remain the the authoritative counsel that I'm adherring to right now. You've researched the Superchargers right down to the PSI, (which I won't pretend to be even remotely knowledgable about)! You've read books on the subject and even, (after knowing consideration) installed your own supercharger. You have my vote... I'm Dave and I approve this message!
Hey, you're not going to hold it against me for going to Lidio because he's in the neighborhood are you??!! I know everyone is busy in their lives, but I really don't know when I'd have time to install this s/crg. Besides, Lidio guarantees his work... ummmm.... (I think for 100,000 miles since that's what Eaton guarantees their blower).
Thanks BillyGman! Yoda has shown me the way! :)


I don't see that as being any valid reason to avoid getting the Trilogy kit at all. I'm not saying it's wrong for you or for anyone to get a centrifugal type S/Cer. It's your choice, and there are trade-offs w/each design. But heat related issues are NOT one of those trade-offs w/the Trilogy kit, since there aren't any heat related issues due to the intercooler that kit has. In a circle track race that would be the case, but NOT in a drag race which only lasts 12 seconds. If that were a factor w/the roots S/Cer design, then the 4 second Top Fuel dragsters wouldn't be using roots type S/Cers. And they don't even have coolant systems in dragsters.

Most racers only get 3 to 4, 1/4 mile runs in on each of the days they go to the track, with atleast 30 minutes down time between runs anyway. So that's more than enough time for ANY S/Cer to cool down. The only time I've ever gone to any track and have gotten in run after run after run as many times as I want is on a day in mid December last year when there was barely anyone there because it was in the upper 30's at the track. And in those temperatures, nobody will have heat related issues no matter how many times they blast down the dragstrip.

And on the street nobody is able to stay at full throttle for any longer than 7 or 8 seconds at a time either. So the heat related issue at the track w/a roots type blower is a myth, and it isn't a factor on the street either as long as the system in question has a good intercooler. And anyone who has run at the track w/the Trilogy, or with any roots type S/cer which is intercooled knows that.

[BillyGman]

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BillyGman, you remain the the authoritative counsel that I'm adherring to right now. Dave, congratulations on your decision to S/C your Marauder!!! I think you've made a great choice!!! You've researched the Superchargers right down to the PSI, (which I won't pretend to be even remotely knowledgable about)! You've read books on the subject and even, (after knowing consideration) installed your own supercharger.Yes, I have installed the Trilogy S/Cer on my Marauder, and have done a lot of homework on this topic BEFORE I made MY decision. However, while the majority of members here do NOT perform the labor on their Marauders, there are three other members that I know of besides myself who have also installed S/Cers on their Marauders themselves. You have my vote... I'm Dave and I approve this message! LOL!!! (good one:D )
Hey, you're not going to hold it against me for going to Lidio because he's in the neighborhood are you??!! I know everyone is busy in their lives, but I really don't know when I'd have time to install this s/crg. Besides, Lidio guarantees his work... ummmm.... (I think for 100,000 miles since that's what Eaton guarantees their blower).
Thanks BillyGman! Yoda has shown me the way! :) Hey Dave, I'm simply trying to help out my fellow Marauder owners by offering some suggestions based on what I've learned from my own study, and my own Marauder modifications experience. There are some who have done the same for me here. And ofcourse I wouldn't hold it against you for going to Lidio. He's the only one who I would go to for a Dyno tune for my Marauder, and since you're right next to him, and you're not going to be performing the S/Cer installation yourself, then Lidio is the #1 prime candidate. He's a great guy, very knowledgeable, and I am a customer of his too. In my previous posts, I just was trying to make it clear to people that going to Lidio for the custom dyno tune is NOT mandatory by any means, and that's why a computer chip is supplied to each Trilogy customer along w/the S/cer kit (just as any complete S/Cer kit will include).

[stevengerard]

Dave, I've done a lot of reading, research and talking myself about which Supercharger. There are many reasons I have chosen Dennis' kit, mostly because of what the guys who race cars tell me.

On that note if I lived as close as you did to Lidio it wouldn't be a second thought. I would go with his expertise and proximity and get the most out of the Trilogy - it an excellent kit - and yes I drove car #1. What you hear from the trilogy guys is that "the trilogy changed their car and was the single best mod they made". No kidding, it doesn't matter what S/C you buy it will be the same from all of them. We all have our opinions but what I feel I have is a pretty objective view and with that I'd say you should go with the Trilogy. If you lived in Florida I'd be telling you to go right over to Dennis.

[cyclone03]

I'm not a Supercharged Marauder owner,ok that's out of the way....

First Price on the surface Dennis' kit looks pricey but it's not,you get a lot in the kit,The aftercooler is about $1500 from Vortec,twin fuel pumps,injecters one off plumbing all add up,The KIT is very complete and the power is there.

Next heat: With the "stock" tunes that come with either of the kits from venders here this is a none issue.
The heat issue on the Trilogy set up was proven to me in Dallas last year,I have NEVER seen a car beat on so hard for so long as that car,they must have gave 50 rides in that car with as many as 5 FULL size passengers in it and NEVER did I see that car not leave with the rear tires BLAZING!That car was beat on hard for 3 days!

If it comes down to Money only wait for the new ProCharger set up from Dennis, may save $$ even over the Trilogy set up now.

[stevengerard]

If it comes down to Money only wait for the new ProCharger set up from Dennis, may save $$ even over the Trilogy set up now.

And as posted in another thread DRs is now under 6K

[cyclone03]

And as posted in another thread DRs is now under 6K


True the market is getting very good for SC kits now.

The above advice for who's closer is very good advice too.

No subject on this site stirs up more :mad2: than "whats the best suppercharger"!

[MAD-3R]

But we've kept it civil and polite!! Logan would be proud.

:lol:

[BillyGman]

One question .....


Are there any Marauder owners who have Dennis Reinhart's Vortex Centrifugal S/Cer kit installed on their cars who do NOT also have an aftermarket Stallion torque converter installed w/a 3,000 RPM stall speed, and with 4.10 gears in the rear too?? I don't think that there is. Why is that so, when there are a number of members of this board who DO have the Trilogy S/Cer kit installed on their Marauders who also do NOT have any other modifications done? They have the stock 3.55 gears and the stock torque converters w/the factory stock stall speed.

So unless someone here can point out several owners' cars who have the Reinhart kit installed in their Marauders who don't also have those other two modifications done (the gears and the converter w/the higher stall speed) than it's obvious that both Supercharger kits are NOT the same at all. That might not be proof that one Supercharger is neccessarily better than the other, but it IS an indicationthat the power delivery of the Trilogy S/Cer IS DIFFERENT than the Reinhart kit is, and that the centrifugal type S/Cer in the Reinhart kit will NOT make as much low-end torque, which would be a reason why you would need to use the higher stall speed and the different gears. Yes, it's true that many of us Trilogy customers already had the gears and some of us the higher stall speed already before the S/Cer installation, so we just happen to have those other two mods also. But there are members here who own Trilogy equipped Marauders who do NOT have any other modifications done to their Marauders except for the Trilogy Supercharger, and they're satisfied w/the abundance of extra Low-end and mid-range torque that the Trilogy S/Cer gave their cars. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that. But I don't believe that I am.

My point is NOT that one S/Cer is neccessarily better than the other, but that they're both different from eachother in their power delivery, and so you cannot claim that they're both the same. There ya go. "Polite" but truthfull to the best of my knowledge.

[SergntMac]

But we've kept it civil and polite!
I'ts not just civil, Phil, it's funny.

[MM03MOK]

But we've kept it civil and polite!! Logan would be proud.

:lol:I was thinking the same thing!!

[04MEMA]

I was thinking the same thing!!
Appartenly Logan's occasional spankings are working... :P


It's a good thing to see less of this :argue: . And more of this :beer: