K/n Air Filter For Mm

[Rep12]

http://www.knfilterchargers.com/search/applications.aspx?Prod=63-1111

Anyone installed this kit into an MM yet?

Dave

[fastblackmerc]

http://www.knfilterchargers.com/search/applications.aspx?Prod=63-1111

Anyone installed this kit into an MM yet?

Dave

Order one from JLT for 1/2 the price (including shipping). Waitng for mine from JLT.

:burnout:

[Rep12]

Order one from JLT for 1/2 the price (including shipping). Waitng for mine from JLT.

:burnout:

JLT? Who's that?

I got a quote from a local dealer for about $250.00 today.

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[fastblackmerc]

JLT? Who's that?

I got a quote from a local dealer for about $250.00 today.

?

His website is www.jlttruecoldair.com

My complete kit including shipping was over $100.00 less than the price your local dealer quoted you. If you want the tube painted a different color (standard color is black) the cost is slightly higher. JLT is also a vendor on the MM.net site, see his "ad" on the MM.net home page (3rd one down) and he has some good pics on his website.

:beatnik:

[RF Overlord]

Dave, K&N filters have been shown to provide approximately zero HP increase on a Marauder...

[LordVader]

:help: Fast,

With a change in air coming in, do you need to do anything with the computer (chip) right away or can you run this way for awhile??
His website is www.jlttruecoldair.com (http://www.jlttruecoldair.com/)

My complete kit including shipping was over $100.00 less than the price your local dealer quoted you. If you want the tube painted a different color (standard color is black) the cost is slightly higher. JLT is also a vendor on the MM.net site, see his "ad" on the MM.net home page (3rd one down) and he has some good pics on his website.

:beatnik:

[MARAUDER S/C #5]

Dave, K&N filters have been shown to provide approximately zero HP increase on a Marauder...
Does the JLT kit increase HP ?

[Bradley G]

From all I've heard tell minimal gains at best. Bradley G

[SergntMac]

Whether you have been dynotuned, chipped, or not, none of the (cough) cold air kits (cough) available to us today will "require" any adjustment to your tune. The changes are not that great, and the EEC will eventually make adjustments based on the improved air flow.

[poorjoe]

Does the JLT kit increase HP ?
I've had mine for about three weeks now, I don't know how many horsepower it added, but it definitly added some giddy up to it.

Joe.

[Rep12]

Whether you have been dynotuned, chipped, or not, none of the (cough) cold air kits (cough) available to us today will "require" any adjustment to your tune. The changes are not that great, and the EEC will eventually make adjustments based on the improved air flow.

Just curious, Sarge - Is that your opinion or is there some technical data that supports your response.

Dave

[MarauderMark]

Dave, K&N filters have been shown to provide approximately zero HP increase on a Marauder...


Can you show us were it says this cause i can't find it.Someone on here had let them use there mm and to no avail?WOW $275.00 for nothing ? K&N can kiss my butt!!!!What a jip.

[RF Overlord]

Mark: The info in question is actually on CVN, not here...I'll try and find the link, but I believe it was Metroplex who did the study...

Also, I was only referring to the drop-in panel filter, not to the complete kit...sorry for the confusion there.

[MarauderMark]

Also, I was only referring to the drop-in panel filter, not to the complete kit...sorry for the confusion there.



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Ha ha ha My bad ...i still have mine brand new never opened going to give it away on my birthday... :D

[tmac1337]

Whatever happened to the Metco air box? All I've seen to date is a very expensive tube after the box...........

[CRUZTAKER]

Dave, K&N filters have been shown to provide approximately zero HP increase on a Marauder...True....and I will add that NONE of the kits add hp. Nothing that shows up on a dyno.*
*much to the disageement of alot of vendors.

They ALL do however show nice improvements at the track. Particularly with the head light out, and....this a big contaversial AND....and a box around the filter to only allow the coolest air in from the headlamp opening.

Paul's box does that. PAULS HIGH PERFORMANCE (PHP). See pic below. Tom's car.
I have one and absolutely love it. I have timeslips to show a 2/10th improvement at the track on a hot ass day. Other members will agree, I make good track numbers, and this is one of my favorite tricks for air.

Buy the one YOU like, and the one best for YOUR application and pocket book.

[MonsterD]

they said retail would be $301.00 and my price would be $231.43.

I still dont see how adding the free flow filter wouldnt add HP. I like the K&N version a bit better because it eliminates the stock air sensor housing. It looks a lot cleaner than the kits that just sandwich the air sensor between the filter and their tubes.

its not worth shipping it, but if any of the so cal guys want to order one let me know and we can just meet. I am probably going to order mine on friday.

I have been home for almost 2 months since my appendix ruptured. I cant buy any toys til I go back to work, but I should be released by the doc tomarrow.

I am hoping going to trade my mm in for a 2004 dtr that the dealer has reduced to 27,000. hopefully I can get the fleet dealer to drop even that a bit further.
that should offset what i still owe on my 2003 and hopefully keep payments the same.

[SergntMac]

Just curious, Sarge - Is that your opinion or is there some technical data that supports your response. Dave
More like both, Dave, my opinions are formed in my experience, and I've spent some time in research of the "cold air" issue. A while back I tested the K&N filter against the OEM filter in the OEM air box. Results = zero, and my recommendation was to keeep the inexpensive OEM filter, change it more frequently, and avoid the possibility of damage to the MAF from excessive oil from the self cleaning kits. A clean filter is more productive than a "free flowing" filter, because "free flowing" means more contaminated air passes through.

I'm not slamming K&N, not at all. But I remember that measuring "improvement" is dependent upon the conditions before the improvement is introduced. Aso remember that we can improve air flow 100 percent by removing the filter entirely, but we don't want to do that, do we. This was all some time ago, and I have found no reason to change my position.

My reply addressed the question of retuning being "necessary", and it's a fact that retuning is not essential with this upgrade. The EEC will make use of the additional air flow on it's own, but if you want to expedite that adjustment, disconnect your battery for 20 minutes or so, and allow the volatile memory of the EEC to expire. Once you restart, the car will drive a bit different for a short term, but the extended memory banks the EEC uses to store data will be clear and your "before" settings won't interfere with EEC decisions.

The main reason any of the "cold air kits" do not show remarkable HP/TQ changes, is because the MM's OEM air path wasn't that bad to begin with. This same kit from K&N produced remarkable improvements to an '03 Cobra, and that was a great MM&FF article too, thanks to our own Lidio. However, the induction path it replaced in the Cobra had one bottleneck after another, and you should not expect likewise improvements from the MM. Our OEM air path is pretty straightforward and effective to the point that it's being used in other OEM applications.

I road tested SlowPoke's PHP induction kit and IMHO, the PHP delivers the best in performance, design, bling, and costs. However, even at it's best, there was no remarkable (i.e. proven) increases in power. You'll feel an improved throttle response at tip-in, and hear a louder intake "whosh" in WOT, both of which make the PHP quite satisfying and IMHO, a "best buy." But, PHP claims adding 17 RWHP, 11 RWTQ, in a test that included his intake spacer, which I have recently tested myself. I did not get the results PHP did.

While the intent of all CAIs out here is to reduce air path restrictions and provide more fresh cold air to induction, none of them accomplish that. All of them tend to suck more air from inside the engine bay, and in warmer climates and on hot days, this is very hot air which reduces it's overall value in producing power. Until a kit that introduces cold air from outside the engine bay comes out, the idea of gaining any notable power from any CAI has yet to be seen in the MM application and to date, none of them are true cold air kits.

Barry (CruzTaker) proves this to us when he removes the headlamp pod for racing. In doing so, he's scooping fresh cold air directly into the induction path, and that pays off in a "ram air" like manner. However, without that direct path, or, something on that order, you're still blending cold air with hot engine bay air and IMHO, one cancels out the other. At the very least, the OEM air box minimized this blend.

I know some of our guys are messing with scoops, I've even suggested some low profile "under the grill" scoops myself, the pics are in my gallery. Hope to hear more from these innovative members soon.

[CRUZTAKER]

Great post Mac. And right on the money as well.

[RF Overlord]

^^^what Mac said...Exactly.^^^

[Tucker]

Sorry guys, but I have to dis agree with you on the CAI's don't show up on a dyno.
You all have DOHC Cobra motors. They LOVE AIR. The more the better. I personaly have dyno tested many Cobras and a Marauder with huge H/P gains.

Do a search for JLT and you will see, though most didn't dyno all felt GREAT gains in the SOTP. A power gain you can feel in a 4000 plus car is big. 15 plus HP & TQ.
The stock air box is a big restriction and boxing in the airfilter like the PHP is also (in my book) silly. Kits like this don't show gains on the dyno because there getting air from a small opening, like the stock airbox.
And don't worry about engine heat. Once your above 20 MPH your under hood temps plumit!
I'd be more then happy to except a kit back that did not show gains on a back to back dyno test. As long as the car is the same temp for all runs it will make the gains. Do 2 runs in stock form and cool it down then do 2 runs with the JLT.
No worries.
Also, I'm having a sale on the RAI's. 15% off the RAI kit. I will start a thread.
Thanks
Jay

[CRUZTAKER]

I knew you would find your way here Tucker.:P

It was nice talking with you, and letting me share my feelings on intakes for our Marauders.
I did the test you describe above, as well did several other members...a long time ago....
More so harder for you to convince us we'll see gains, is for you to convince us that you did.

Many of us have dyno machines at our disposal. I dynoed my car this past summer atleast a dozen times. Yes, a little over kill, but I was doing testing much as you describe. I know for a FACT that I got zero gain from changing the intake. In fact, I once tried it without ANY box, nor filter, and got no change. Exhaust, huge gains. Pullies, substantial gains. Water pump, substantial gains. Intake riser, zero gains in hp, submarginal torque changes.

I will be the biggest advocate to state that the intake mods provide SUBSTANTIAL gains when the car is actually running down the road with forced air being introduced. That's why I have one, I have the timeslips to prove it as well.

I will add however, if you, or any other dyno operater has a high output industrial fan, (unlike most shops use as they cost as much as $4000) YES!!! Huge dyno number gains. But those gains will be apparent no matter what intake is being utilized. There is a shop in California, (I wish I still had the article), that proved that the hi tech high volume fan placed in front of a vehicle on a dyno actually not only produces incredible hp gains, but gains that were higher than what the vehicles manufacturer ever promised from the car in the first place.

To conclude, you, and the other vendors have done us all a huge consolation by engineering and producing kits for our application that we have wanted from day one. And we thank you. There is no need to claim HP increases of up to 18hp to sell these kits. They're gonna sell anyway, because we want them. Some of us will go the extra mile to try and duplicate these results....and when time after time the numbers don't pan out...feelings get hurt.

[Tucker]

Dynoed the car in stock form 2 runs and replaced the intake with my JLT and did 2 more runs. Never un st***** from the dyno. Just let it cool to the same temp.

Not sure how to "prove" it to you other then a hidden camera in the shop or something, but one thing I don't do is lye about my gains. If I ever got cought doing that it would be the end of JLT.

You can say you tested "other" intake stuff, but you should clearify to say you never did test my stuff. Don't get me wrong, I just don't want everyone to think you tested "my" stuff.

This is the dyno results from my test car. As you can see from the A/F the JLT actually richened it a bit. With a tune the gains would be even higher.
Again, if you feel it in the SOTP, it's more then 10-15!

[MARAUDER S/C #5]

Was this test done with or without a high output fan ?

[MARAUDER S/C #5]

You all have DOHC Cobra motors.
I thought we had the Mach 1 motor ? :confused:

[martyo]

In fact, I once tried it without ANY box, nor filter, and got no change.

Now that's odd Barry. I have watched a number of tests with just the top of the stock air box off and the results repeatedly indicated approximately a five hp increase.

[Jessica]

Jerry W. did the tests on mine. It was in the summer, and the vehicle was facing inside the bay, ie. exhaust towards the open bay door. It was very warm on all of the days we tried at this facility. The fan that was used was one of those small floor models used to dry wet carpeting. It was propped on a chair in front of the car.

I don't deny you (Tucker) got results, I am just saying that I did not. Consistantlyly. And you (Tucker) are correct, I didn't use YOUR setup. Discussing the gains from different setups, all using the basic similar parts, a conical filter, a tube, and....well that's about it, would end going nowhere. In my opinion they do the same thing regardless of who made them. Be it K&N, PHP, JLT, or Joe smo's home made intake, they all basically perform the same.

I still feel 10-12 hp on a filter is just unrealistic.

SORRY, I, CRUZTAKER, ACCIDENTLY LOGGED IN UNDER MY WIFES SCREEN NAME. SHE HAS NO CLUE ABOUT COLD AIR KITS IF THEY WEREN'T MADE BY CARRIER!:P

[Hawaii 5-0]

I thought I was going to get rid of my car then sold my C/F intake tube, I did not, so a few days later I ordered the K and N Kit. Got it yesterday and installed it. If you want a Cold Air Kit, this is the one to get. The reason I say that is no one has more experience when it comes to filters and kits then K and N, The fit and finish is great, actually the fit is perfect, and the sound is awsome. I don't have access to any dyno but seat of the pants tells me it works. It aint worth 40 horses but it aint 0 either. Plus you have K and N behind the product. I got nothing bad to say about anyone (in fact the C/F tube was very well made and looked great) but most of the kits other people have use K and N filters. So the kits K and N makes must be pretty good. So I don't know about the others out there (never had them) but I am very happy with the K and N, I paid $263.00 delivered from summit (I had to pay 2nd day air of course)... install took about 40 minutes (I'm a novice), just move a few items, and bolt up...:)

[Tucker]

I thought we had the Mach 1 motor ? :confused:You do, The MACH is a Cobra motor with no blower. I.E. 01 Cobra. All in all basicly the same animal.
And yes a fan was used. All dyno shops use a fan. Just a normal that would simulate "maybe" 5mph. They don't blow that hard.

Put it this way, if theres a seat of the pants gain--- there's a H/P & TQ gain. You don't feel nothing. Know what I mean?
So far there are about 25 Marauder owners on this site who have the JLT. Any who have posted have posted very happy results. Results well worth $118.75!!!!

Thanks all!.
Jay

[Rep12]

I thought I was going to get rid of my car then sold my C/F intake tube, I did not, so a few days later I ordered the K and N Kit. Got it yesterday and installed it. If you want a Cold Air Kit, this is the one to get. The reason I say that is no one has more experience when it comes to filters and kits then K and N, The fit and finish is great, actually the fit is perfect, and the sound is awsome. I don't have access to any dyno but seat of the pants tells me it works. It aint worth 40 horses but it aint 0 either. Plus you have K and N behind the product. I got nothing bad to say about anyone (in fact the C/F tube was very well made and looked great) but most of the kits other people have use K and N filters. So the kits K and N makes must be pretty good. So I don't know about the others out there (never had them) but I am very happy with the K and N, I paid $263.00 delivered from summit (I had to pay 2nd day air of course)... install took about 40 minutes (I'm a novice), just move a few items, and bolt up...:)

Thanks for your response. That's what I thought. I've installed K&N set-ups on a variety of cars for 25 years and they always improved performance. I wasn't dreaming, I felt it in the pants. I'll be ordering mine next week.

Did you do any programing changes to the chip? I never did in any other vehicles.

Thanks,

Dave

[SergntMac]

You do, The MACH is a Cobra motor with no blower. I.E. 01 Cobra. All in all basicly the same animal. Put it this way, if theres a seat of the pants gain--- there's a H/P & TQ gain. You don't feel nothing. Know what I mean?
Ummm...It's not a Cobra engine of any model year. The Mach I, Aviator and Marauder were all new releases in 2003, and all use the same engine, the InTech 32 valve DOHC with alumium block and pistons, cast crank and rods. They differ in accessory location and upper intakes only. Inasmuch as this engine is "Cobra-like," we can exchange parts freely between engines, but it was not built to Cobra standards, or, with steel forged components. BTW, in '03, the Cobra switched to this aluminum block.

Many mods we enjoy here produce tons of performance no one in their right mind can dispute. Yet this performance will not be visible on a dyno report simply because the car isn't really moving it's own weight down a track. Dyno tests accomplish one thing, track and document performance potential at the rear wheels, from which 411 can be extrapolated. Case in point are torque convertors and gear changes. Either one will deliver major seat-of-the-pants differences behind the wheel, but neither will show any remarkable changes in a dyno report, other that the customary 5 or so HP/TQ margin of error between pulls. People should be aware that when a dyno says you have 4xx RWHP and 4xx RWTQ, it's really a whole lot more.

[MARAUDER S/C #5]

Ummm...It's not a Cobra engine of any model year. The Mach I, Aviator and Marauder were all new releases in 2003, and all use the same engine, the InTech 32 valve DOHC with alumium block and pistons, cast crank and rods. They differ in accessory location and upper intakes only. Inasmuch as this engine is "Cobra-like," we can exchange parts freely between engines, but it was not built to Cobra standards, or, with steel forged components. BTW, in '03, the Cobra switched to this aluminum block.
Hmmm.....thats what I thought, thanks for clearing that up Sarg.;)

[CRUZTAKER]

Either one will deliver major seat-of-the-pants differences behind the wheel, but neither will show any remarkable changes in a dyno report, other than the customary 5 or so HP/TQ margin of error between pulls. People should be aware that when a dyno says you have 4xx RWHP and 4xx RWTQ, it's really a whole lot more.Thanks Mac....if enough of us emphasize this, maybe it will be heard as well as read.
A cold air tube, filter, box, whatever one labels it, falls into this catergory.

I also don't seem to be heard when I say that "I got great gains at the track."

[maraudernkc]

DR said he dynoed the PHP cold air intake and got like 14HP on the top end. Is that not true?




Dave, K&N filters have been shown to provide approximately zero HP increase on a Marauder...

[MENINBLK]

Mark: The info in question is actually on CVN, not here...I'll try and find the link, but I believe it was Metroplex who did the study...

Also, I was only referring to the drop-in panel filter, not to the complete kit...sorry for the confusion there.


I'd still like to see where you are getting this info from.
I have the drop in, and its been there since 48 hours after the vehicle purchase.

With the FORD Air filter, I can't spin the tires on a nailed WOT.
With the K&N Drop in, its not a problem...

No other mods have been done EXCEPT for Mobil1 0W20 and a K&N Oil Filter.
Both of these have been used since the 2,500 mile mark.

[MENINBLK]

Can we stop with the Cobra motor banter ??? :argue: :mad2:

We DO NOT have Cobra Engines. :nono:
Our Intech 24V V8 is the BASE ENGINE DESIGN that the COBRA utilizes.

The COBRA has different CAMS, PISTONS, RODS, CRANK, UPPER INTAKE, and slighty modified and strengthened block.
The Cobra has SIX BOLT MAINS where we only have TWO BOLT MAINS,
plus a host of other additions that we don't have.
The HEADS of the COBRA are ported differently than the Intech 32V V8 is also.

The COBRA Engine is also S/C from the factory, and built at the factory
to fully support the S/C without grenading.

There have been lots of improvements to the horsepower of our engines,
and lots of achievements with the research that has been done by many people here.
The Intech 32V V8 can be a substantial HP creator but not to the degree that a COBRA motor can create.

Just take Marty's efforts as an example.
Marty took the time to have the engine blueprinted and built correctly
to produce the amount of monstrous HP he has available to him.
Try to produce that with a stock Intech 32V V8 and you'll be sweeping it up off the track.

So lets get the story correct and please stay on track.

The Marauder shares the same engine as the Aviator and the Mustang Mach1 for the same 2003 and 2004 model years.

The Mustang COBRA utilizes the basic design of the InTech 32V V8 engine, from the Mach1, Marauder, and Aviator,
as a starting point for the creation of the COBRA engine.

[RF Overlord]

I'd still like to see where you are getting this info from.


I tried to post a thread with an extensive study done on panel airl filters, but was hooted off the board...here's (http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm) the link, if anyone's still interested...

[MENINBLK]

I tried to post a thread with an extensive study done on panel airl filters, but was hooted off the board...here's (http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm) the link, if anyone's still interested...

According to this data, we should all be buying AC Delco Air Filters !!!

[fastblackmerc]

Just installed JLT intake system..... don't know if there is any HP / torque increase but it sounds good and the price was right....

:coolman:

[Hawaii 5-0]

Thanks for your response. That's what I thought. I've installed K&N set-ups on a variety of cars for 25 years and they always improved performance. I wasn't dreaming, I felt it in the pants. I'll be ordering mine next week.

Did you do any programing changes to the chip? I never did in any other vehicles.

Thanks,

Dave
No, no changes required, just bolt on.... :)

[Haggis]

I also don't seem to be heard when I say that "I got great gains at the track."


Yea, yea, yea I hear you. :razz:

[SergntMac]

Our Intech 24V V8 is the BASE ENGINE DESIGN that the COBRA utilizes. The COBRA has different CAMS, PISTONS, RODS, CRANK, UPPER INTAKE, and slighty modified and strengthened block.
The Cobra has SIX BOLT MAINS where we only have TWO BOLT MAINS,
plus a host of other additions that we don't have. The HEADS of the COBRA are ported differently than the Intech 24V V8 is also. The COBRA Engine is also S/C from the factory, and built at the factory to fully support the S/C without grenading. There have been lots of improvements to the horsepower of our engines, and lots of achievements with the research that has been done by many people here. The Intech 24V V8 can be a substantial HP creator but not to the degree that a COBRA motor can create. Just take Marty's efforts as an example. Marty took the time to have the engine blueprinted and built correctly to produce the amount of monstrous HP he has available to him. Try to produce that with a stock Intech 24V V8 and you'll be sweeping it up off the track. So lets get the story correct and please stay on track. The Marauder shares the same engine as the Aviator and the Mustang Mach1 for the same 2003 and 2004 model years. The Mustang COBRA utilizes the basic design of the InTech 24V V8 engine, from the Mach1, Marauder, and Aviator, as a starting point for the creation of the COBRA engine.
Historically, the time line on the 4.6L DOHC engine shows that it was around long before the Cobra, Mach I, Avaitor and Marauder came to be. So, to be fair about it, we're all sharing the same modular design, but none of us were the first to share it.

As for power producing, the Marauder engine can produce every bit of power the Cobra engine can produce, maybe more depending on how you tune it, and what blower design you favor. What makes the Cobra more powerful, is that it's supercharged. However, in long block trim sans any induction at all, the Cobra is less powerful because it has lower compression. The engines are basically the same, just made of different materials, and options in compression. I agree, the Cobra is more durable, but not more powerful in long block trim. BTW, it's a 32 valve DOHC engine, the 24 valve DOHC engine is a six cylinder.

The stock MM crank is an eight bolt nodular iron (cast) and the MM block has six bolt mains. In prior years, the Cobra block was cast iron with steel forged guts, and for '03, Ford changed to an aluminum block with steel forged guts. The Cobra's steel forged components are made of stronger materials, but the specs are the grossly similar. This is why it's called a modular motor, many of the parts interchange, and I wouldn't count on one lable translating to one engine. For instance, the 2003 Mustang GTs are 2 valve 4.6L SOHC engines, and for some stupid reason, they got cast iron blocks. I can't call this a GT engine, because it's shared with the cop cars.

Who knows anymore? To me, the Cobra lable means it went through a more thorough and accurate production process. Cobra engines are hand built and signed by the wrench, not mass produced on a production line. This is good, and it make a Cobra short block more desirable for quick rebuilds and short term projects because it saves time and money. However, as you point out with MartyO's "Hell Boy," when you're serious about the power, blueprint and balance everything yourself, even the products sold in "balanced" sets, such as rods and pistons. If you're going to do that, why bother with a pre-built short or long block, just start from scratch.

Hope this helps clear the air, but I doubt it. Seems like no one will know for sure what's inside, without breaking into their very own engine.

[Tucker]

Guys, I don't understand the anti-cobra motor thing. I didn't mean you have exact cobra motors. What you do have is "basicly" a cobra motor.
If you don't think your:
4.6
281 Cubic inch
DOHC
Twin blade throttle blade
fliped intake
is basiclly a cobra motor I don't know what to say. Yes, the pistons and rods may be different. and the 03,04 Cobras have iron blocks, but the 99,01 were aluminum.
I mean no dis respect, but let's not get too tech here. The MACH & Marauder & Cobra (99,01) are VERY similer.


If some of you don't "think" a intake will yield a gain on the dyno that's fine too. I know what I saw and so do the people who were there. I've seen it over and over again.

Thanks all!:beer:

[Glenn]

I have talked to several owners of the JTL RAI and they are all pleased with the unit and the very reasonable price. The real difference is on the track not necessarily the dyno.

In regards to the MM air box. I did several pulls this past summer and on one pull I simply just opened the MM's air box 1 1/2" (with K&N filter) and gained 4 HP. So I know the RAI is going to produce some HP gains.

Glenn

[MENINBLK]

I'm not trying to be anti-Cobra, and I'm sorry about the 24V
when I really meant 32V.
I'm also sorry if this doesn't follow the original thread.

The 4.6L Modular engine has had a number of uses over the years.
Each revision and modification has yeilded a different engine for a different purpose,
and also a different vehicle insurance rate.

Stick to what we have, and don't blow it into something its not.
If you've put money into mods, proudly display your work and tell all about it,
but remember where you started, and please keep it real.

If someone asks me what's under the hood, I tell them all the same thing.
"A 300HP V8 with a real dual exhaust. The 2K4 Mustang Mach1 uses the same engine."
The next question I usually get is, "Can I hear it ?"

[valleyman]

I just tell people mine is a four door Mustang Mach 1.

[Tucker]

I have talked to several owners of the JTL RAI and they are all pleased with the unit and the very reasonable price. The real difference is on the track not necessarily the dyno.

In regards to the MM air box. I did several pulls this past summer and on one pull I simply just opened the MM's air box 1 1/2" (with K&N filter) and gained 4 HP. So I know the RAI is going to produce some HP gains.

GlennThank you!:beer:

[SergntMac]

Guys, I don't understand the anti-cobra motor thing. I didn't mean you have exact cobra motors. What you do have is "basicly" a cobra motor. If you don't think your: 4.6 281 Cubic inch DOHC Twin blade throttle blade fliped intake is basiclly a cobra motor I don't know what to say. Yes, the pistons and rods may be different. and the 03,04 Cobras have iron blocks, but the 99,01 were aluminum. I mean no disrespect, but let's not get too tech here. The MACH & Marauder & Cobra (99,01) are VERY similer. If some of you don't "think" a intake will yield a gain on the dyno that's fine too. I know what I saw and so do the people who were there. I've seen it over and over again. Thanks all!:beer:
I don't know where this "anti" sentiment surfaced, it's not how I feel. In fact, I'm building my own Cobra clone right now. I've got a stack of spec sheets on my desk, and I'm getting things confused too. '99-01 were aluminum, '03-04 are cast iron...Sorry. There was no '02 Cobra, except for a handful of right hand drivers mailed out to Australia, and the Mach I, Marauder and Aviator didn't appear until June of '02, as '03 debuts. Other than this, I think we agree that the Cobra internals are better, and most of us wish we had them. Again, it's not so much the forged parts, as it is the craftsmanship in assembly. Great engine to start a serious project with, sadly it won't fit under our hoods with the Eaton blower in place, without a lot of fabrication.

As for "too tech, " I feel it is imporant to keep the specs honest and the 411 on top, and I'm not imply anyone here has not. We're all modding the same car and investing hard earned money into our MMs. Among us here, the minute details are important in the decision making, and every little bit helps. My advice to fellow members is that when you know something, share it, but be agreeable when someone offers to help you redefine that knowledge.

There's a post out here that proclaims a 26 RWHP and 41 RWTQ gain from the JLT CAI, with before and after dynos. This is remarkable performance, Tucker, and you should expect some inquiry. Such outstanding numbers are problematic for us, and you should understand that when one of us does not get this kind of performance, there will be questions raised. IMHO, this is normal, deal with it honestly, no one means any harm.

The truth of matters is often elusive until we start kicking things around between us. Kicking things around isn't bad, it's what we do and it usually complimentary to the product involved. Once five or six of your cold air kits are installed and tested by members, we'll know what to expect from it. And don't feel as if this is special attention, two years ago I ripped through every mod Reinhart offered us then, and every mod passed. I cannot do much of that anymore, my MM is too far out there now. But, others here continue to do this, we're just looking out for one another. Nothing personal, just good business.

[FordNut]

Geez, what does any of this discussion have to do with the title of the thread? I read it to find out if anybody has actually tried the K/N intake tube/CAI kit yet and all I find is a big discussion on semantics concerning what engine we have in our cars.

Talk about off-topic.

[TAF]

Geez, what does any of this discussion have to do with the title of the thread? I read it to find out if anybody has actually tried the K/N intake tube/CAI kit yet and all I find is a big discussion on semantics concerning what engine we have in our cars.

Talk about off-topic.
Agreed :up:

[SergntMac]

LOL...At least we're still under the hood!