2003 Marauder 1 : 2002 Corvette 0

[ultravorx]

Hey guys, been so busy at work not much time to post. But last night, while driving around a guy in a 2002 corvette asked what my car was, so i told him and he asked if i wanted to have some fun on his "private" race track. I agreed, since i havent done this type of thing in a while. We were at a rolling start and we both hit it,i jumped on him and kept pulling past what my speedo reads :P he could not catch up to me, i was very slowly pulling away. I was surprised that he couldnt catch up!!! :cool: So it ends with that, he pulls up next to me with a big grin and a thumbs up and takes off, what a great feeling to know our "family sedans" can still outrun a sports car! :lol: Granted i have a few mods, but man, i thought he'd whoop me. That was a fun night!! Now i know why i bought a marauder
Frank

[merc406]

That's what he get's for being a cheap a:censor:s buying regular fuel.

[Krytin]

Nice one!
Way to represent!

[MarauderMark]

Thats a kill!!wtg! :2thumbs:

[BillyGman]

Wow!!! I'm very surprised, as I'm sure that you were. He really should've beat you unless you have a S/Cer or Nitrous that I don't know about. BTW Frank, the service manager at the Ford of Branford dealer said that your car was in there awhile ago. He didn't know your name but he liked your car, and going by his description of the camera in the rear of the car, I know it had to be your car.

[Marauderman]

the camera in the rear of the car, I know it had to be your car.
.................uh....can you enlighten us about what this means.???.....Thanks

[BillyGman]

.................uh....can you enlighten us about what this means.???.....Thanks
Sorry it took so long for me to reply. Incase you haven't already noticed, just take a look in frank's post sig. he has mountd a small camera in the back of his car. I guess it's for backing up. Frank's really into electrical and electronics stuff. Atleast on cars anyway.

[hbarrett]

Having owned a couple of vettes in the past, I think that he was just playing with you. Unless you have a highly modified MM, I see no way that you will beat a vette so easily. IMHO
Howard
Hey guys, been so busy at work not much time to post. But last night, while driving around a guy in a 2002 corvette asked what my car was, so i told him and he asked if i wanted to have some fun on his "private" race track. I agreed, since i havent done this type of thing in a while. We were at a rolling start and we both hit it,i jumped on him and kept pulling past what my speedo reads :P he could not catch up to me, i was very slowly pulling away. I was surprised that he couldnt catch up!!! :cool: So it ends with that, he pulls up next to me with a big grin and a thumbs up and takes off, what a great feeling to know our "family sedans" can still outrun a sports car! :lol: Granted i have a few mods, but man, i thought he'd whoop me. That was a fun night!! Now i know why i bought a marauder
Frank

[Donny Carlson]

Having owned a couple of vettes in the past, I think that he was just playing with you. Unless you have a highly modified MM, I see no way that you will beat a vette so easily. IMHO
Howard
I love my car, but my n/a car beat a 2002 vette? :bs:

I'm impressed, though I wonder what was wrong with the vette.

[BillyGman]

I love my car, but my n/a car beat a 2002 vette? :bs:

I'm impressed, though I wonder what was wrong with the vette.If Frank says that his Marauder beat the Vette in question, then I believe him. So that leads me to believe that yes, there must have either been something wrong w/the Vette, or the guy was a real bad driver since a stock 2002 Vette is good for a very low 13 second quartermile in the summer time as far as I know, and so far there aren't any N/A Marauders that can match that in the summer time, and on pump gasoline. So that's what makes me wonder if Frank has Supercharged his Marauder w/out telling us about it.

[Patrick]

I love my car, but my n/a car beat a 2002 vette? :bs:

I'm impressed, though I wonder what was wrong with the vette.

I was driving!!!
:lol:

[duhtroll]

I dunno - I don't think I can accept this story until I see timeslips for the two cars posted or some pictorial or video evidence.

Nah, I'm just jealous.

-A

[Tallboy]

Hey guys, been so busy at work not much time to post. But last night, while driving around a guy in a 2002 corvette asked what my car was, so i told him and he asked if i wanted to have some fun on his "private" race track. I agreed, since i havent done this type of thing in a while. We were at a rolling start and we both hit it,i jumped on him and kept pulling past what my speedo reads :P he could not catch up to me, i was very slowly pulling away. I was surprised that he couldnt catch up!!! :cool: So it ends with that, he pulls up next to me with a big grin and a thumbs up and takes off, what a great feeling to know our "family sedans" can still outrun a sports car! :lol: Granted i have a few mods, but man, i thought he'd whoop me. That was a fun night!! Now i know why i bought a marauder
Frank
......:bs: :bs: :bs:

[Silver_04]

......:bs: :bs: :bs:

Ditto. An N/A MM with the mods listed wouldn't outrun a Vette that was floored.

[GordonB]

BTW, even if the MM has like 50 more HP at the rear end, the Vette SHOULD absolutely kill the MM because of the 1000 lb (read that 1/2 ton!!!)extra weight. Listen folks, I'll take on anyone who has a NA MM in my 2000 Vette at a real TRACK. I would even wager real money on this one!!! That's how sure I am of the fundamental laws of physics. This is NOT bragging. This is basic HP to weight ratio and tires hooking up.

GordonB

[SergntMac]

Ease up guys, he said it was a rolling start, and who's to say they were both ready to race? Get a one car lead on a Vette at 35-40 MPH, and you could hold it.

[TripleTransAm]

I agree... anything can happen. I have to admit that even before I became a parent, I was usually somewhat hesitant to dip into 100% of the available power of my LS1 whenever the street challenges came up. The best way to describe it is: explosive. After about 2 weeks of exclusive MM driving, I took the WS6 out last night to a hockey game... my wife and son stayed home, so I got to hear the sweet side of 3000 RPM for once. OMFG... I won't spell out the words.

Like Sarge said, the MM at speed (when not hampered by its porky weight and lackluster sub-2500 RPM performance) is a force to be reckoned with, but the LS1 (especially in the Vette) replaces the word 'force' in the above statement with the term 'small thermonuclear blast'. At full power in an LS1, things can get hairy and out-of-control kind of real quick, and some folks (myself among them) sometimes balk at keeping their foot in it.

As I've said many times before, a win is a win. Let's not fall into the category of ricers by over-analysing the numbers and what-ifs, if a 100-meter dash olympic runner steps up to the starting line dressed for a race and decides he's only going to give 75% of what he's capable, he's lost the race... plain and simple.

On the other hand, I've been in many situations where I have 'played' with someone else, just because I'd enjoy seeing his/her car show off... ie. goose the throttle a bit, watch this other car "let it rip" and thoroughly enjoy the spectacle. Not because I was in it for a 'win' but because I like most all nice cars, and appreciate a finely tuned performance machine. If the other driver felt they 'killed me', so be it... I won't be feeling any sentiments of inferiority over it. *shrug* It's just a car...

This is probably the main reason why I refuse to report on any acceleration-related incidents to begin with. Was the other person giving it 100%? Was I giving 90% and they were giving 85%? Were they just having some harmless fun and I took it to be 100% serious? One will never know, and I'd be doing anyone a disservice by deducing anything from it. Now, on a race track, you're there for one reason and one reason only... that pretty much erases any ambiguity (bottom line: show me the time slips).

Will close with a not-so-humorous anecdote from a Pontiac mailing list I've belonged to for many years (with mostly more mature members): one 19-year old (who ironically lived not far from me) bragged about his stock 455-equipped 1976 Firebird Formula taking on a new Viper, which supposedly showed "how good old classic cubic inches always beat modern technology any day of the week". I'm sure you guys can figure out the rest...

[Krytin]

Fairly said TTA!
Kill stories can be fun - lets try to keep it that way!

[MarauderMark]

Sorry it took so long for me to reply. Incase you haven't already noticed, just take a look in frank's post sig. he has mountd a small camera in the back of his car. I guess it's for backing up. Frank's really into electrical and electronics stuff. Atleast on cars anyway.


and dont forget the oil slick tube back there as well which is why the vette could'nt get traction and also the EMP button for just in case :D

[Ross]

Here's a different question about this. I notice that this MM has 4.30's, but it went past the speedo limit. I know that the higher gears will help off the line, but will impair top end. Is it unusual to be able to get up so much top end speed with 4.30's?

[ADE 1000]

Get a one car lead on a Vette at 35-40 MPH, and you could hold it.

I don't think so. If an NA Marauder (that runs a 14.4) had a one car lead on a 2002 vette ( that should easily run low 13s), it would lose that lead fairly quickly. That fact that he mentions that he was "slowly pulling" away makes the it even more evident that something was not right here.

From a roll or otherwise, it would be a spanking if the vette driver put his foot to the floor.

[TripleTransAm]

While I don't know the exact details, I think your argument (using the ETs) is flawed because it does not take into account the respective power bands. For example, look at the supposed equivalent 1/4 mile times between the old RWD Impala SSs and our MMs... while the launch goes to the SS, the Marauder appears to hunt it down at the top end. This means that the SS' acceleration has flattened somewhat, and the Marauder is still charging, harder still as compared to the spark-retard- (and power-curve)-hampered 1st half of the track.

Nonetheless, as I mentioned before, the odds are stacked against a Marauder, in a 100% all-out duel. The Vette pulls a top speed of... well, I don't know, but the LS1 in the stock F-body pulled a limiter-removed 175mph (radar verified at a gov't track not more than 10 minutes away from where I'm currently sitting, I was present that day in 1999, and have the video tape in my basement to prove it). The Marauder, unlimited, tops out in the 140s? Cars don't top out all of a sudden... so the Vette would still be pulling hard as the Marauder was crawling to its peak.

But...

As I mentioned before, we weren't there, we don't know the circumstances. Maybe the Vette could have taken on this MM, but he didn't. Why not? I listed some potential reasons above. Maybe he didn't want to give 100%, and this is primarily the reason why I don't get involved in street skirmishes any more. But we all have to come to grips with the fact that not everyone out there runs their cars at 0% or 100% throttle opening exclusively at all times.

Let's just leave this particular experience at what it is: two guys playing around on a road, and it looks like it was all in good fun. Trying to conclude anything further is pointless.

[ADE 1000]

While I don't know the exact details, I think your argument (using the ETs) is flawed because it does not take into account the respective power bands.



Perhaps I did not word my post correctly. I listed the ETs simply to give people some perspective on how fast the cars were compared to each other in an easily digested format. Although the ETs are not a perfect indicator of top end power, I can't envision a situation in which a 14.5 second car would pull away from a low 13 second car from a 30mph roll.

Although I have an LS6 in my vette, I do have seat time in LS1 powered vettes and f-bodies. While I think an LT-1 powered Impala SS feels like it is running out of steam at the top end, the LS1 vette does not. The vettes power, combined with its far superior aerodynamics does not put it at any disadvantage from a roll. As you said, the odds are 100% stacked against the Marauder. And rather heavily I might add.

[Joe Walsh]

Key WORDS: "From a ROLL".....Our N/A MMs are pigs 'out of the hole'. Once you get them rolling I think that they accelerate really well. Does anyone have timeslips from similar cars to see what they did for the last half of the 1/4 mile??

[Bigdogjim]

Funny how this thread keep going on.

I think/feel their are several good/valid reason as to how/why this happended.

Not to take anything away from our Marauder driver but it seams the Vette driver was not 100% into?

I myself have had several spirited "runs" on the interstates, once or twice I have had other drivers follow me into a rest stop miles later and ask "how the hell did you pull away so easy?" They simply were expecting a "large" sedan to move out so quick:)

Carry on!

[roadpig58]

as the proud owner of an 04 300a and a 97 c5 corvette, i can tell you with
certainty that my stock 97 vette would suck the headlights out of my
marauder and the marauder is in no way slow- either that vette had a problem
or the driver did- roadpig