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MI2QWK4U
11-21-2004, 10:23 AM
I am just getting around to posting this info now that I am back online. Last week a bunch of us went to Milan Dragstrip which you may have read about from the other guys posts. It was remarkable, everyone ran a new personal best. The car ran very well, and very consistant. All of my runs were 12.1x's anywhere from 112-114 MPH.
The best run, and the car's personal best run ever was 12.01 @114.66 MPH, 60 ft of 1.81.
The car hooked well, better than I thought it would, and I could have leaned on it harder at the launch. I have improved my burnout 100% and the long smokey burnouts are there now, helping the car hookup is sooooo much of an improvement I cant say it enough. The winter projects list has been finalized and she should run solidly in the mid 11s on a consistant basis.
For those of you that even remotely think I would get rid of this rocket, think again.
Next stop, Lids for the winter mods, then on to the Autorama for another best in class trophy....

TAF
11-21-2004, 10:51 AM
WOW! Congrats Dave...them's mighty strong numbers. :burnout:

Patrick
11-21-2004, 11:56 AM
Very impressive!!! :nworthy: :nworthy:

maraudernkc
11-21-2004, 12:32 PM
Nice times. Are you spraying it?




I am just getting around to posting this info now that I am back online. Last week a bunch of us went to Milan Dragstrip which you may have read about from the other guys posts. It was remarkable, everyone ran a new personal best. The car ran very well, and very consistant. All of my runs were 12.1x's anywhere from 112-114 MPH.
The best run, and the car's personal best run ever was 12.01 @114.66 MPH, 60 ft of 1.81.
The car hooked well, better than I thought it would, and I could have leaned on it harder at the launch. I have improved my burnout 100% and the long smokey burnouts are there now, helping the car hookup is sooooo much of an improvement I cant say it enough. The winter projects list has been finalized and she should run solidly in the mid 11s on a consistant basis.
For those of you that even remotely think I would get rid of this rocket, think again.
Next stop, Lids for the winter mods, then on to the Autorama for another best in class trophy....

MI2QWK4U
11-21-2004, 01:05 PM
Nice times. Are you spraying it?


All on a stock motor, Eaton blower, Pro-M MAF, 3:73 gears, Magnaflow X-pipe, Focus fuel pump.

No spray whatsoever, No extreme gears, no denso plugs, no cooler stat, no cooling system mods, no high stall torque converter.

If I sprayed it, it would be as fast, if not faster than Lids Marauder.

Not to shabby eh? I think with a more experienced driver the car would have been into the 11's.

Patrick
11-21-2004, 01:20 PM
All on a stock motor, Eaton blower, Pro-M MAF, 3:37 gears, Magnaflow X-pipe, Focus fuel pump.

No spray whatsoever, No extreme gears, no denso plugs, no cooler stat, no cooling system mods, no high stall torque converter.


Question. Why none of the above Mods if you dont mine me asking....just curious thanks.

MI2QWK4U
11-21-2004, 01:27 PM
Question. Why none of the above Mods if you dont mine me asking....just curious thanks.


Well, in my opinion and experience, they wont yield enough response for my money. How many people have those mods, spent a lot of money, and cant touch my car in the 1/4 mile. I think the single most important reason is I simply dont need the other mods. I essentially have an 11 second Marauder with that last time of 12.010. Do you think I need to buy any of those mods at this point?
To me, this says it all....all the mods you need to hit consistant 12.1x's times and with some tweaking, high 11.xx's.

Originally Posted by MI2QWK4U
All on a stock motor, Eaton blower, Pro-M MAF, 3:73 gears, Magnaflow X-pipe, Focus fuel pump.

Patrick
11-21-2004, 01:39 PM
Thanks. Good points! But It is NOT to offend anyone with other mods or detract from this thread. But you can never have to much INFO!!

jgc61sr2002
11-21-2004, 04:24 PM
Congrats - Fantastic numbers. :up:

MI2QWK4U
11-22-2004, 05:25 PM
Thanks, I am very pleased with these results with so few mods. I really wouldnt change anything if I had it to do over again. If my wife gets her Marauder, all it will get is the stock Trilogy and thats it. Even she admitted she likes the vavooom when you want it, but how smooth of a daily driver it is.

Bigdogjim
11-22-2004, 05:32 PM
Great work Dave:up:

Nice to see you run the Marauder :burnout: :burnout:

stevengerard
11-22-2004, 08:39 PM
Wow that's awesome Dave, man just so close to 11's! maybe if you went to the bathroom right before that run you would have lightened the load enough to hit 11.999. What are you planning for the winter mods?

woaface
11-22-2004, 08:50 PM
All I can say is on the track it's the way it smells...all these high class fast ass cars burning rubber and guzzling gas. If there's one thing that really sticks in my mind about Indy...it's the smell. Man I love it:D

MI2QWK4U
11-22-2004, 08:50 PM
Wow that's awesome Dave, man just so close to 11's! maybe if you went to the bathroom right before that run you would have lightened the load enough to hit 11.999. What are you planning for the winter mods?


It hooked so hard at the launch that I almost farted, that would have put me at 11.999 for sure....I hate to park it for the season with a 12.010 run....

MI2QWK4U
11-22-2004, 08:51 PM
Great work Dave:up:

Nice to see you run the Marauder :burnout: :burnout:


Run it Jim? Hell, I beat that thing like a red headed stepchild.

Bradley G
11-22-2004, 08:54 PM
Hey James,

How close to the back of daves car were you standing?If you really Love the smell May b Dave will do a little demo @ MVIII for u
Bradley G

All I can say is on the track it's the way it smells...all these high class fast ass cars burning rubber and guzzling gas. If there's one thing that really sticks in my mind about Indy...it's the smell. Man I love it:D

David Morton
11-22-2004, 09:01 PM
Get some clear packaging tape and tape off that grille for another .200!

I got almost that much at the Sunshine State Marauders' meet and I was running with an extra half tank of gas! Tape, and the only other thing different was the KVR brakes.

Check those timeslips. And the reaction times; .000, .026, .055, .078, .178 & .310, average .107 (I'm not counting my virgin run of .613) and not one breakout! I like this sport, I'm turning pro! :D

Editing now, I realized I had to crop the first two runs from Saturday in order to get that file into my timeslips page. They were the ones I cite for the .200 gain, first was 15.150 at 92.61 and the second was 15.304 at 91.72 but somebody had blown some oil on the track by then and there was a lot of guys having traction problems. Those were the two with the .178 and .310 R/T's.

bigslim
11-22-2004, 09:26 PM
It hooked so hard at the launch that I almost farted, that would have put me at 11.999 for sure....I hate to park it for the season with a 12.010 run....
Lidio said that Lapeer is still open for the next two weeks.

MI2QWK4U
11-22-2004, 09:43 PM
Lidio said that Lapeer is still open for the next two weeks.

Lapeer never hooks well, its a possibility though...

MikesMerc
11-23-2004, 03:15 PM
Question. Why none of the above Mods if you dont mine me asking....just curious thanks.

Dave and I were talking last night and we discussed this thread. After thinking about my mods, which are similar to Dave's, I decided to post about it too to add to the info on the thread.

My best time to date is 12.15 @ 114.23.

My total mods:

stock motor, trilogy blower kit, 4.10 gears, pro-m, and kooks headers and H pipe. That's it. No plugs, no pullies, no stat, no super steep gears, no high stall TC either.

Dave and I run similar times as the only differences in our cars is more boost on his end, and I have the kooks on my end.

My reasons for not getting these mods are a bit different than dave's though.

The plugs, pullies, and stat just aren't worth the tiny gain (if any) in my opinion.

The super steep gears (4.30/4.56/etc) and high rpm stall TC diminish the ride quality and "long legged" feeling on the highway. I've had a car set up with these items before and it made for a car that wasn't fun to be in for long periods.

Anyway, as patrick said, this is NOT to knock anyone who has decided to do any of these mods. to each thier own. I'm sure that mods like the steep gears and high stall TC can indeed help performance if one is interested in making the associated sacrifice in OEM ride quality.

I suppose dave and i wanted moreso to make the point that these other mods are not needed to run times that are at the top of the heap performance wise for a mm.

Paul T. Casey
11-23-2004, 03:54 PM
WOW, 12 flat 2 ton 4 door street car. Oh yeah, and no Bow Ties! :2thumbs:

MI2QWK4U
11-23-2004, 07:27 PM
Dave and I were talking last night and we discussed this thread. After thinking about my mods, which are similar to Dave's, I decided to post about it too to add to the info on the thread.

My best time to date is 12.15 @ 114.23.

My total mods:

stock motor, trilogy blower kit, 4.10 gears, pro-m, and kooks headers and H pipe. That's it. No plugs, no pullies, no stat, no super steep gears, no high stall TC either.

Dave and I run similar times as the only differences in our cars is more boost on his end, and I have the kooks on my end.

My reasons for not getting these mods are a bit different than dave's though.

The plugs, pullies, and stat just aren't worth the tiny gain (if any) in my opinion.

The super steep gears (4.30/4.56/etc) and high rpm stall TC diminish the ride quality and "long legged" feeling on the highway. I've had a car set up with these items before and it made for a car that wasn't fun to be in for long periods.

Anyway, as patrick said, this is NOT to knock anyone who has decided to do any of these mods. to each thier own. I'm sure that mods like the steep gears and high stall TC can indeed help performance if one is interested in making the associated sacrifice in OEM ride quality.

I suppose dave and i wanted moreso to make the point that these other mods are not needed to run times that are at the top of the heap performance wise for a mm.


Yep, what Mike said about what I said!
You can get a Trilogy Eaton kit for what you spend on all those other mods! Mike and I are shadowing each other and are pretty even, I am gettin the Kooks, he is getting a smaller pully like mine, after that, we will be dead even except for his 4:10s and my 3:73s.

sailsmen
11-23-2004, 08:24 PM
Congrats on a great time!

Kooks - $1,600
4:30 Gears - $180
PI 3000 Stall - $800
Tuner $400

For less than $3,000 you can have a 13.5 second car and probably have most of your warranty intact.

MikesMerc
11-24-2004, 05:37 AM
Kooks - $1,600
4:30 Gears - $180
PI 3000 Stall - $800
Tuner $400

For less than $3,000 you can have a 13.5 second car and probably have most of your warranty intact.

Sure. But it assumes two things.

First, that the owner is willing to "settle" for a 13.5 second car.....which is not "at the top of the heap" as mentioned above, and

Second, as again mentioned above, the owner is willing to sacrifice ride quality with 4.30 gears and 3000 rpm stall.

I understand what your saying here, but it completely misses addressing the points Dave and I just made above about having a top shelf runner without sacrificing ride quality and without getting the little other "fluff" mods.

I fully understand that not everyone has the budget, or the inclination to go the route Dave, myself, and a few others have gone. But our point that having a top shelf car with a handful of mods, and without loosing ride quality or spending money on the questionable tiny stuff, can easily be done.

sailsmen
11-24-2004, 07:02 AM
I have 4:10 gears and 3000 Stall, drive 20K + per year with no driveability problems.

Those with the Kooks report no cabin drone.

I agree a 12 second Marauder is impressive! :)

MikesMerc
11-24-2004, 09:37 AM
I have 4:10 gears and 3000 Stall, drive 20K + per year with no driveability problems.

Those with the Kooks report no cabin drone.

I agree a 12 second Marauder is impressive! :)


As far as the kooks, I agree wholeheartedly with you! They really are excellent peices of work and perform great. In fact, it was the responses on this board about the fit and finish of the headers, as well as the commentary about no cabin drone that convinced me to get a set myself:D

The 4.10 gear you have is also what I have. For my personal taste (see, I qualified this), the 4.10 is about the biggest gear I would ever want. Actually, when I first got the gears I was really disappointed. I already had the roots blower so low end grunt wasn't a problem. When the gears first went in I was really bummed out that first gear was now so short and that the "woooshing push in the back" at part throttle was diminished. Now, after time, I have come to enjoy the gears and I would not go back. BUT, anything steeper would have been just too much compromise for me. It is this exact reason that Dave never went higher than the 3.73s he has. With a roots blower low end is not an issue and you can get great performance without the steep gears. You can have have the best of both worlds...good highway cruising/ and a nice long "woooshing" first gear, as well as good qtr mile times.

4.30s or steeper would be nasty...in my opinion. As is a stall speed much above 2700. Like I've said, I have had two mustangs set up this way before (steep gears and a big stall) and I just didn't like it. They worked awefully well with the Vortech S Trim and the rest of the set up i had, but there WAS a sacrifice in ride quality and highway cruising.

Don't misunderstand what I am saying here. I'm not referring to driveability issues, I am referring to seat of the pants ride quality. You are definitely giving something up in gentle smooth launches and highway cruising with steep gears and a high stall TC. Whether or not the owner feels it is worth the trade off or not is a personal decision. I know that if I had planned on keeping my car naturally aspirated I may have indeed gone with steeper gears and a higher stall as that is the only way to get a heavy car with a small motor moving quickly.

But, again, the point is that you don't NEED to make that sacrifice at all with the kind of supercharged set up Dave and I have. That is the point we were trying to make.