Intake Choices--Need Help.

[Smokie]

I recently added a free flowing exhaust system to my car that provided solid improvement in performance and a very strong note to the exhaust sound. I would like to compliment the better exhaust with a better flowing intake and while at it improve on the looks of the OEM intake and J-thing.

I did search for info before asking and there is a lot conflicting thoughts on the matter: HP gains vs. No Hp gains, problems with driving in the rain vs. no problems in the rain. Nice sound of rushing air vs. Too loud I don't like it.

I am hoping that my friends here; that have made changes to their intake would offer some advise and info, I would like to discuss performance improvement if any and of course....the bling factor, my wife and I looked at the pictures of intake mods and we both agreed that Fordnut's intake was the one we liked best....but Brian sort of created his intake and I am hoping to buy a ready made kit...cause I am not very creative.

Please help me if you can, no wars please. I would like performance info, price, where it is available, pictures. Thank you in advance.:)

[CRUZTAKER]

First off Mr. X....all the kits out there are gonna do what you want as far as gains. Comparisons will simply break down to asthetics and price. They all sound the same as well.

I bought the first kit out there, and at the time, there was no tube offered with it. The latest kits come with a tube, and that may be more appealing to you to get 'er done in one shot without making multiple purchases.
I have a PM coming to you that might interest you. I have found a way to fabricate a kit, complete, at a cost of less than $35. If you're not willing to do a little put together, and aquire pieces from here and there, you may want to buy an entire kit.

[Petrograde]

PHP Air Box.. I like it, I couldn't tell ya before & after HP gains, I haven't been to a dyno yet. But, I did feel it in the seat-o-the-pants-meter. and it has a descent 'bling' factor. I've got pics in my gallery.

I can't remember what I paid for it of the top of my head. Around $200? I just checked the site, It's $250 now. :rolleyes:

[jstevens]

I think this thread is about air box's so excuse me if I'm hijacking.
There's PHP air box, JLT and K & N. Paul's has a shield. The others do not.
Why is there a shield? Is it for the elements? Is there a big cone filter under there.

Curious as this seems like an inexpensive mod.

[CRUZTAKER]

Oh yeah....I bought the PHP box as well. I like the ergonomics ALOT.:D

[snowbird]

I recently added a free flowing exhaust system to my car that provided solid improvement in performance and a very strong note to the exhaust sound. I would like to compliment the better exhaust with a better flowing intake and while at it improve on the looks of the OEM intake and J-thing.

I did search for info before asking and there is a lot conflicting thoughts on the matter: HP gains vs. No Hp gains, problems with driving in the rain vs. no problems in the rain. Nice sound of rushing air vs. Too loud I don't like it.

I am hoping that my friends here; that have made changes to their intake would offer some advise and info, I would like to discuss performance improvement if any and of course....the bling factor, my wife and I looked at the pictures of intake mods and we both agreed that Fordnut's intake was the one we liked best....but Brian sort of created his intake and I am hoping to buy a ready made kit...cause I am not very creative.

Please help me if you can, no wars please. I would like performance info, price, where it is available, pictures. Thank you in advance.:)
I did the High flow airbox and intake spacer from PHP this summer. The claim on their site is 18rwhp and 14rwtq for the filter and, plus 4-8 hp and tq for the spacer. I was sceptic but it feeled that way after installation: very good improvement. Then, in 5.0 mustang & fast ford magazine of october 2004, at page 186, they list a complete dyno test of the PHP intake only on a 2004 Mach1. They went 13rwhp and 20 rwtq gain without the spacer. At 4000rpm, the net gain was 20rwhp and 26 rwtq.

IMO: the bottom line: my goal was 20rwhp and 20rwtq and i think i got it (combining the 2 parts). The design of the parts are flawless, the install is direct bolt on, the look is great, the sound is just a bit more subtil, racy growl, not loud and offending. The price is ... right. The rain: didn't had troubles in downpours but would not try to cross the Colorado river aboard thought. One word of caution: The rear susp compressor is underneath and there is a snorkel pending on a rubber hose that need to be taking care carefully. If it can ingest water or get clogged with ice, it will kill the compressor dead pretty fast.

[SouLRioT]

Along the same lines, just to help out, are you able to mix the PHP intake with the metco carbonfiber tube? And ofcourse you'll need to have slowpoke use the engraver to add a godshead to it.

[mercomatic]

First off Mr. X....all the kits out there are gonna do what you want as far as gains. Comparisons will simply break down to asthetics and price. They all sound the same as well.

I bought the first kit out there, and at the time, there was no tube offered with it. The latest kits come with a tube, and that may be more appealing to you to get 'er done in one shot without making multiple purchases.
I have a PM coming to you that might interest you. I have found a way to fabricate a kit, complete, at a cost of less than $35. If you're not willing to do a little put together, and aquire pieces from here and there, you may want to buy an entire kit.
Hello Cruztaker,
i am very interested in the PM you refered to for fabricating an intake kit.

[tmac1337]

I have found a way to fabricate a kit, complete, at a cost of less than $35. If you're not willing to do a little put together, and aquire pieces from here and there, you may want to buy an entire kit.

Spill it, spill it.

[Petrograde]

Spill it, spill it.

:D I know! but,.. I'll let Barry explain. :P

[SergntMac]

Then, in 5.0 mustang & fast ford magazine of october 2004, at page 186, they list a complete dyno test of the PHP intake only on a 2004 Mach1. They went 13rwhp and 20 rwtq gain without the spacer. At 4000rpm, the net gain was 20rwhp and 26 rwtq. IMO: the bottom line: my goal was 20rwhp and 20rwtq and i think i got it (combining the 2 parts)I'm not flaming anyone here, but you're not looking at one other important factor here, and ignoring that will lead to disappointment. Remember that the Mach I and Cobra OEM air induction path is one twisted up wreck of elbows, trying to suck air from inside the right front fenderwell. The OEM design sucks, major. Any changes would show improvement, so, I'm not surprized PHP's air induction showed so much gain on the Mach I. Neither am I surprized that Lidio's testing of the K&N on a Cobra (MM&FF) showed likewise gains.

The OEM design of the MM air path doesn't suck, in fact, it's regarded as some of the best air induction work FMC ever produced, and it's being carried over to several other lines in '05. Should you expect a 20/20 gain from a PHP, K&N or the JLT? No. No, because what you're improving on, didn't suck so bad to begin with.

Don't take me wrong here, I love the bling these systems add, and yes, you will get gains in performance. But, keep it reasonable too. Take your 5-7 gains and be happy that the seat of your pants loves it too.

[Petrograde]

good point Sarge! :up:

[snowbird]

[QUOTE=SergntMac]You're not looking at one other important factor here, and ignoring it leads to disappointment. Remember that the Mach I and Cobra OEM air path is one twisted up wreck of elbows, trying to suck air from inside the right front fenderwell. The OEM design sucks, major.

Any changes would show improvement, so, I'm not surprized PHP's air induction showed so much gain on the Mach I. Neither am I surprized that Lidio's testing of the K&N on a Cobra (MM&FF) showed likewose gains.

The OEM design of the MM air path doesn't suck, in fact, it's regarded as some of the best air induction work FMC ever produced, and it's being carried over to several other lines in '05. Should you expect a 20/20 gain from a PHP, K&N or the JLT? No. No, becuase what you're improving on, didn't suck to begin with.

Take your 5-7 gains and be happy that the seat of your pants loves it too.

Maybe you are right about the fact that the 2001 Cobra or the Mach1 stock tubing/intake track/filter is not as good as our MM but i had 5 mustangs in a row before the MM, incuding a 2001 Cobra as a last one. I had played a bit with bolt on on them. The MM feel a lot more than 5 hp gain. I think that (5-7hp) would be almost unoticeable in a car with 4200 lbs and automatic transmission. Since i don't have easily access to a dynamometer, my plan is to wait for the exhaust (Kooks kit ordered) and steeda pullies improvement before hunting a dyno run which would put me in the spring of next year. My :twocents:
Thanks for your comments.

[CRUZTAKER]

Can't spill it on the net yet. Sorry.:o

Send me a PM and I can explain.

[Smokie]

Just got back home, I appreciate the responses, and hopefully there will be more.... Cruz I called you...will call you back. As far as my spectations for power gains; I do not expect more than 5 hp to rear wheels...if there was more...icing on the cake.

I love the looks of Metco's carbon fiber tube, is there a complete kit from Metco ???? How much ??? Also Fordnut mentioned a wrap or cover for cone filter to prevent water infiltration.

If anyone has real life experiences with these types of intakes that are negative please PM me I would like to make an informed decision. Does anyone that has a N/A MM. have some before and after data that suggests better times at the track ???

Also is the difference in intake sound presents at all times or just during hard acceleration ??? Is it an annoying sound ???

[SergntMac]

The MM feel a lot more than 5 hp gain. I think that (5-7hp) would be almost unoticeable in a car with 4200 lbs and automatic transmission. Since i don't have easily access to a dynamometer, my plan is to wait for the exhaust (Kooks kit ordered) and steeda pullies improvement before hunting a dyno run which would put me in the spring of next year.
You don't need to dyno this mod, it's been done and we know what to expect. But, please don't dismiss power gains under 10 RWHP/RWTQ. For that power to get to the rear wheels is quite an accomplishment, and it's a very important contribution to your overall program. As I have said in other threads on dynos and mod benefits, not every mod will show gains on a dyno, nor do dyno gains always show on a timeslip. You have to remain objective, compare and sum results from both, and apply some logic to it all.

Let's say a dyno only shows 7 RWH/RWTQ from a complete induction path overhaul, but it drops your ET .2 tenths. Is this good? Well, IMHO, if the mod was under 300 bucks, yes, more so if the .2 tenths lands you in the high 13s. Another inexpensive mod that delivers real bang for the buck payoff are underdrive pulleys. They show likewise conservative gains on a dyno, but ask anyone who has installed them how much sooner you accelerate into your power band. Add these two mods together, one improving breathing and the other reducing parasitic drag, and the end result is very impressive, and could reduce your ET as much as .5 tenths (depending on driver skill), and you're still under 500 bucks.

If anyone has real life experiences with these types of intakes that are negative please PM me I would like to make an informed decision. Does anyone that has a N/A MM. have some before and after data that suggests better times at the track? Also is the difference in intake sound presents at all times or just during hard acceleration ??? Is it an annoying sound ?
I haven't heard any negative comments about any of them, Javier, just some owners expressing disappointment and only because of misunderstanding what they should expect from the mod. I think I'm almost qualified to answer your question, because I've driven Slowpoke's PHP modded MM. From the perspective of owning a supercharged MM, I am very impressed. I love tooling around town in it.

Yes, there is remarkable improvement at throttle tip in, and it's much more responsive. You can feel that a great load has been relieved. The sound reminds me of my '68 Camaro SS with a 350 CID small block and Quadrajet 4V carb. I removed the OEM air cleaner for a less restrictive design, and the deep growling "whosh" was very impressive. If you do the PHP induction upgrade, you will turn heads at WOT. I haven't heard the JLT, or the K&N offerings, but I don't expect them to be any less impressive, it's basically the same open filter in all three, yes? Oh, one other thing, the PHP kit includes a shield, there's nothing extra to buy and the shield can be custom engraved to boot. Niiiice...

[Smokie]

Thank you for the input Mac. I do appreciated. If I understand correctly there are currently 2 complete kits available: JLT and K&N, PHP offers a Stainless Box and cone filter to MAF, Metco only sells a carbon fiber intake tube....am I missing anything ???

[snowbird]

You don't need to dyno this mod, it's been done and we know what to expect. But, please don't dismiss power gains under 10 RWHP/RWTQ. For that power to get to the rear wheels is quite an accomplishment, and it's a very important contribution to your overall program. As I have said in other threads on dynos and mod benefits, not every mod will show gains on a dyno, nor do dyno gains always show on a timeslip. You have to remain objective, compare and sum results from both, and apply some logic to it all.
Ok I understand more what you want to say. It will be at the end of the program (N/A tricks and some drivetrain and suspension mods) that i will in position to judge if it is enough. The middle of the program numbers don't matter that much and yes, i have to remain objective !!:)

But still .... :-)

[Brutus]

I would also like to say that you shouldnt just look at the gains at the peak. Some mods show higher gains at lower rpm's and only show a gain of a few horsepower at the peaks which is why you will see some pulls include average horsepower acroos the board. I think any mod that will show gains of 15-20 HP across the board is worth it even if the peak numbers are within a few HP.

[SergntMac]

If I understand correctly there are currently 2 complete kits available: JTL and K&N, PHP offers a Stainless Box and cone filter to MAF, Metco only sells a carbon fiber intake tube....am I missing anything ???
Let me back out of this discussion, I'm not really qualified to comment or add more. How all these possibilities add up, well, I respect your confusion, Javier.

As I see it...The Metco stuff is a carbon fiber pipe that replaces our "ribbed" portion of the induction path that follows our MAF. The PHP stuff replaces our air box and stuff before the MAF, and the two kits do not match, or, work well with each other, as I read it here. I'm not up on what the JLT replaces, possibly all of it. But, so does the K&N kit, which may benefit from some kind of shield...Nevermind.

How does one tie it all together for the best possible mod? Hell, I don't know, so, it's time I back out of here, and wish y'all well.

[jstevens]

Mac,

Please don't back out of this discussion as all information is good.
For I know PHP includes the shield and JLT and K & N do not. That said, has anyone ran into trouble running an exposed cone filter in the elements?
I'm not sure a shield is needed. It may be good cosmetics but I'm not an engine head so I could be all wet.

By the way, I'm soaking all this up as I'm leaning towards the K & N as the filter looks to be the largest, of course I haven't compared exact measurements though.

[QWK SVT]

Mac,

Please don't back out of this discussion as all information is good.
For I know PHP includes the shield and JLT and K & N do not. That said, has anyone ran into trouble running an exposed cone filter in the elements?
I'm not sure a shield is needed. It may be good cosmetics but I'm not an engine head so I could be all wet.

By the way, I'm soaking all this up as I'm leaning towards the K & N as the filter looks to be the largest, of course I haven't compared exact measurements though.The JLT does not include a shield, but the K&N FIPK does. The shield will help protect the filter from some of the spray / splash of water, and, in theory, block some of the hot air, that the engine gives off.

I'd really like to see someone log IAT data, with the various systems, to see if which run hot, which run cool, and how they all compare to the stock box temps.

PS - I'm starting to lean the same way, but haven't committed, yet... IF it was a little cheaper, it'd be an easier choice, huh?

[Smokie]

Here is where I am at:

K&N CAI Kit complete: $400 (has bottom or side shield) one piece intake tube.

JLT Kit complete: $130 (no shield) 3 pieces make up intake tube.

PHP: $229- $249 with foam pre-filter (stainless steel box, cone filter and adapter to MAF, you use existing intake tube)

Metco carbon fiber intake tube only: $300.

If anyone can add to this list, make corrections or comment on it, as an owner of the above mentioned products please feel free to comment...everything in good faith is greatly appreciated.:)

[Bradley G]

Hey MMers,

What's wrong with making a clean hole in the factory box and tubing a fresh air source from the front grill through the existing holes in the core support behind the headlamp?Then line the inside of the rubber bellows type tube to make it smooth?I don't mean to slight the vendors here (especially tucker cause I enjoy his feedback )All of the "Kits" I've seen offered dont pull fresh cooler air from the front of the car.They all draw air from under the engine compartment (granted PHP & K&N full kit have a heat shield)I would think If Barry claims .2 better ET. from removeing the headlamp lens why doesn't it stand to reason drawing fresh air from a tube run to the front.I am not intending to flame anyone for I have seen someone post pics of flexible gutter type apparatus.I'm looking for something a step above this.ie; rigid plastic and a scoop look from the front.
Bradley G

[BlackHole]

I'll let you know how mine does next spring its about 85% complete. Its a replacement box with a fresh air tube and intake for the bottom bumper intake drivers side. Still have to make all the mounting points for it and do track test this coming spring April/May But it should eliminate any heat issues unlike anything currently available PM me if you want to know more.

[jstevens]

Smokie, I'm investigating K & N 63-1111, it looks like some sort of shield is wrapped around it. I think it retails for $250-300.

K&N CAI Kit complete: $400 (has bottom or side shield) one piece intake tube.

JLT Kit complete: $130 (no shield) 3 pieces make up intake tube.

PHP: $229- $249 with foam pre-filter (stainless steel box, cone filter and adapter to MAF, you use existing intake tube)

Metco carbon fiber intake tube only: $300.

[Bradley G]

Hey BlackHole,

Thank you for your reply.Now great minds think alike.This is exactly what I was thinking except for the Box itself.My thinking is to use K& N panel in the factory box and use your Pipeing to get the air there.
Bradley G

I'll let you know how mine does next spring its about 85% complete. Its a replacement box with a fresh air tube and intake for the bottom bumper intake drivers side. Still have to make all the mounting points for it and do track test this coming spring April/May But it should eliminate any heat issues unlike anything currently available PM me if you want to know more.

[BlackHole]

Hey BlackHole,

Thank you for your reply.Now great minds think alike.This is exactly what I was thinking except for the Box itself.My thinking is to use K& N panel in the factory box and use your Pipeing to get the air there.
Bradley G


See I want to eliminate the under hood heat or most of it but to use a tube for the Ramair I had to make a new box. But mines Stainless steel and heavy I say around 20 pounds worth just the box and cover its self but it should work.

[Smokie]

Smokie, I'm investigating K & N 63-1111, it looks like some sort of shield is wrapped around it. I think it retails for $250-300. Let me know where it is available at the price you mentioned, I saw the 63-1111 and it has a partial shield the bottom or the side, not sure.

[CRUZTAKER]

You are on the right road now Mr. X.....:up:

Let me know what you end up....configuring.:P

[QWK SVT]

Let me know where it is available at the price you mentioned, I saw the 63-1111 and it has a partial shield the bottom or the side, not sure.
Summit Racing (http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=esearch.asp&N=100&Ntk=PartSearch&Ntt=63-1111&x=11&y=7) has it for $285, as does 4filters.com (http://www.4filters.com/merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=K&Product_Code=63-1111)... Is Lidio selling this product, or just testing it? If he's selling, I'd much rather go to a supporting vendor... GP, anyone? :D

[Directedby]

Summit Racing (http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=esearch.asp&N=100&Ntk=PartSearch&Ntt=63-1111&x=11&y=7) has it for $285, as does 4filters.com (http://www.4filters.com/merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=K&Product_Code=63-1111)... Is Lidio selling this product, or just testing it? If he's selling, I'd much rather go to a supporting vendor... GP, anyone? :D

Dennis Reinhart sells the PHP intake - he has them in stock - not sure on the price, call Dennis - i think it is around $250.

[Rider90]

That said, has anyone ran into trouble running an exposed cone filter in the elements?

When did we start using air boxes? early 80s? other than that it was just a filter on top of a hot engine. That being said it was those heavily modded cars back in the day that pulled 12s and 13s all with the same air intake setup - just a filter on top of the hot engine. If you see what I'm getting at on another topic... :twocents: ;)

[Bradley G]

Hey Rider90,

We've come a long way baby!I don't remember any two ton 4dr. 281ci N/A cars that modded or not that ran 12-13 sec ETs AND can achieve near 20 mpg hwy mileage (most of us).So I'm not sure what revelant point you are trying to make here.But If you feel you have something worthy to share Post a new thread.I would like to see results from improveing the air supply (source).No flame on you but I don't heed your comment as an improvement over what we already have!
Bradley G

When did we start using air boxes? early 80s? other than that it was just a filter on top of a hot engine. That being said it was those heavily modded cars back in the day that pulled 12s and 13s all with the same air intake setup - just a filter on top of the hot engine. If you see what I'm getting at on another topic... :twocents: ;)

[SergntMac]

Is Lidio selling this product, or just testing it? If he's selling, I'd much rather go to a supporting vendor... GP, anyone? :DLidio did some testing on a K&N kit for MM&FF a few months ago, got very decent results on a stock '03 Cobra. As for a group buy, I don't know if Lidio supplies parts in quanities like this, ask him?

Now great minds think alike.This is exactly what I was thinking except for the Box itself.My thinking is to use K& N panel in the factory box and use your Pipeing to get the air there.
Bradley GPosted these pics a while back, it's stuff you can find in any boneyard for a few bucks. Here's what comes OEM on my '91 GM, can't help wondering how easy it would be to feed this under the radiator core support and into the bottom of our OEM air box. More cold air is good, yes? More pics in my gallery, or go pop some hoods in the boneyard?

http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/showphoto.php/photo/5563/password/d746d272dfed711f349d5453ed3b71 f7/sort/1/cat/500/page/4

[Bradley G]

Hey Mac,

Thank you for the suggestion and pics!I like the round piping and flexible is good!and yes cold fresh air is way good for our cars!
Bradley G

Lidio did some testing on a K&N kit for MM&FF a few months ago, got very decent results on a stock '03 Cobra. As for a group buy, I don't know if Lidio supplies parts in quanities like this, ask him?
Posted these pics a while back, it's stuff you can find in any boneyard for a few bucks. Here's what comes OEM on my '91 GM, can't help wondering how easy it would be to feed this under the radiator core support and into the bottom of our OEM air box. More cold air is good, yes? More pics in my gallery, or go pop some hoods in the boneyard?

http://www.mercurygallery.net/mmnet/showphoto.php/photo/5563/password/d746d272dfed711f349d5453ed3b71 f7/sort/1/cat/500/page/4

[03SILVERSTREAK]

Hey MMers,

What's wrong with making a clean hole in the factory box and tubing a fresh air source from the front grill through the existing holes in the core support behind the headlamp?Then line the inside of the rubber bellows type tube to make it smooth?I don't mean to slight the vendors here (especially tucker cause I enjoy his feedback )All of the "Kits" I've seen offered dont pull fresh cooler air from the front of the car.They all draw air from under the engine compartment (granted PHP & K&N full kit have a heat shield)I would think If Barry claims .2 better ET. from removeing the headlamp lens why doesn't it stand to reason drawing fresh air from a tube run to the front.I am not intending to flame anyone for I have seen someone post pics of flexible gutter type apparatus.I'm looking for something a step above this.ie; rigid plastic and a scoop look from the front.
Bradley GIt works great for me and the cost was low .

[DEFYANT]

It has been a couple of months since this mod. I was wondering if you noticed any negative results from this mod. I had a March Ramair on my old 97 Mustang GT. It acted like a road vacuum sucking up dirt, bugs, cig buts, water etc.... On that car it was lower to the ground though.

Feedback????

[03SILVERSTREAK]

It has been a couple of months since this mod. I was wondering if you noticed any negative results from this mod. I had a March Ramair on my old 97 Mustang GT. It acted like a road vacuum sucking up dirt, bugs, cig buts, water etc.... On that car it was lower to the ground though.

Feedback????

None whatsoever. Im very pleased with this mod I built...:banana2:

[BillyGman]

None whatsoever. Im very pleased with this mod I built...:banana2:
That looks like a pretty good mod to me. :up:

[DEFYANT]

Yes, I wanted to do something like this but I was concerned about the junk on the road getting in. Glad to hear it is working without the trash getting in. When the basic mods are done I'll probably fab. one also

Thanks

[valleyman]

I also did an air intake mod similar to Silverstreak's (N.B.: thanks for the inspiration) except that I used 4" diameter ducting. Mine leads up to my JLT intake air cleaner which I have shielded off from engine heat. Periodic inspections reveal no moisture from driving in the rain and no road debris.

[BruteForce]

I also did an air intake mod similar to Silverstreak's (N.B.: thanks for the inspiration) except that I used 4" diameter ducting. Mine leads up to my JLT intake air cleaner which I have shielded off from engine heat. Periodic inspections reveal no moisture from driving in the rain and no road debris.

How about some pics? :D

[valleyman]

:hide: Doh! Don't make me confess this yet again. I don't have a digital camera! There. I said it. I'm unworthy. I know, I know, there's no excuse, I'm sorry.

I GOTTA get one of those things.

[Bradley G]

No Biggie I had help Friday, Rider 90 (board member)scaned my dyno charts from the JLT intake 3rd party test.Then he posted them for me Thanks again Rider 90!If you ask for help (here)You may be shocked at the resources that materialize!Anybody close to Valleyman?

Bradley G


:hide: Doh! Don't make me confess this yet again. I don't have a digital camera! There. I said it. I'm unworthy. I know, I know, there's no excuse, I'm sorry.

I GOTTA get one of those things.

[BruteForce]

:hide: Doh! Don't make me confess this yet again. I don't have a digital camera! There. I said it. I'm unworthy. I know, I know, there's no excuse, I'm sorry.

I GOTTA get one of those things.

Regular cameras can do it too. When you take the film in to be developed, ask about getting them on a disk. :D Just trying to be helpful (in my own selfish way).

[valleyman]

I didn't know that. What do I do? Just say, "Put it on a disk"? Will they ask me questions I can't answer? Will they inundate me with options I know nothing about? Will my techno-obliviousness be apparent? Will small children laugh at me and point?

[BruteForce]

I didn't know that. What do I do? Just say, "Put it on a disk"? Will they ask me questions I can't answer? Will they inundate me with options I know nothing about? Will my techno-obliviousness be apparent? Will small children laugh at me and point?

Small children will always laugh and point at us quaint old folks. Just rap the little baggers with yer knuckles.

As for the photo folks, just tell 'em "I want to be able to view them on my PC." Whether they try and baffle you from that point on depends on what options are available. They used to put 'em on floppy disks back in the day, but I'll bet they come on a CD now. If they do confuse you, come back and let us know. Maybe even have them write down the options so it doesn't get lost in the translation from Geek to English. :)

[Bradley G]

You can eliminate any worries and just fill out the envelope at Osco check the box that says CD it's about four bucks and no one will know.If I can do it, believe me you can too!

Bradley G

[valleyman]

You can eliminate any worries and just fill out the envelope at Osco check the box that says CD it's about four bucks and no one will know.If I can do it, believe me you can too!

Bradley G

OK. You and BruteForce have have inspired me to try this thing. I don't know what an "Osco" is but I'm assuming it's some kind of giant retailer that also does photo developing. I'll get me a trusty disposable 35mm, take some shots, find some place that can make them computer compatible and then ask for more help: on how to post them on this site. :help:

[MM03MOK]

OK. You and BruteForce have have inspired me to try this thing. I don't know what an "Osco" is but I'm assuming it's some kind of giant retailer that also does photo developing. I'll get me a trusty disposable 35mm, take some shots, find some place that can make them computer compatible and then ask for more help: on how to post them on this site. :help:Osco Drug - same as RiteAid, CVS, Walgreen's, Brooks Pharmacy.... Many have onsite photo development. Some may have to send processing away for the pictures on CD.

[valleyman]

Osco Drug - same as RiteAid, CVS, Walgreen's, Brooks Pharmacy.... Many have onsite photo development. Some may have to send processing away for the pictures on CD.

That's what I figured, thank you. It's off to Walgreen's for me.

[BruteForce]

OK. You and BruteForce have have inspired me to try this thing. I don't know what an "Osco" is but I'm assuming it's some kind of giant retailer that also does photo developing. I'll get me a trusty disposable 35mm, take some shots, find some place that can make them computer compatible and then ask for more help: on how to post them on this site. :help:

Good on ya, mate! :up:

[teamrope]

Osco Drug - same as RiteAid, CVS, Walgreen's, Brooks Pharmacy.... Many have onsite photo development. Some may have to send processing away for the pictures on CD.Even WalMart does it... :)

Valley, they finally got my scanner working so I will take that add in an scan it tomorow.

[Scott Leininger]

I have the PHP but not the tube, do you have a do it your self for that Too. if so please send it to me.

thanks
Scott



First off Mr. X....all the kits out there are gonna do what you want as far as gains. Comparisons will simply break down to asthetics and price. They all sound the same as well.

I bought the first kit out there, and at the time, there was no tube offered with it. The latest kits come with a tube, and that may be more appealing to you to get 'er done in one shot without making multiple purchases.
I have a PM coming to you that might interest you. I have found a way to fabricate a kit, complete, at a cost of less than $35. If you're not willing to do a little put together, and aquire pieces from here and there, you may want to buy an entire kit.