Final 0 - 60 Times on N/A MM plus DR help.

[Directedby]

I completed my mods today (4:10 gears). Here is the final outcome. 0-60 times are based on my G2 timer.

STOCK 2004 MARAUDER

0-60
7.85 :mad:

Stock Marauder with JLT INTAKE & FLOWMASTERS & X-PIPE [Picked up .60]

0-60
7.25 :baaa:

Stock Marauder with JLT INTAKE & FLOWMASTERS & X-PIPE PLUS SCT TUNER (DENNIN REINHART tune), DENSO PLUGS, 180 THERMOSTAT. [Picked up 1.40]

0-60
6.45 :D

Stock Marauder with JLT INTAKE & FLOWMASTERS & X-PIPE SCT TUNER (DENNIN REINHART tune), DENSO PLUGS, 180 THERMOSTAT PLUS 4:10 GEARS. [Picked up 1.73]

0-60
6.12 :banana2:

I am very happy with these mods. This was all accomplished including parts and labor for $1,300.

Figure my 1/4 mile is in the low 14's.

:bows: Thanks Dennis.

[mtnh]

What octane gas are you using on this? You normally cannot obtain anything higher than 91 octane in CA, right?

Thanks, great work!

Mike

[Directedby]

What octane gas are you using on this? You normally cannot obtain anything higher than 91 octane in CA, right?

Thanks, great work!

Mike

Good Question - Yes, all we have here in California is 91 Octane.

My first SCT (XCalibrator) tune from Dennis was knocking and pinging. Called Dennis who overnighted me a new program (backed off the advance) to handle the CA gas pinging problem. The 0-60 time of 6.12 was with the new 91 octane program. I can't really feel any difference between the 93 and 91 octane tunes.

[NAVCHAP]

Nice job DB! Hope you had a nice birthday. -kjs-

[Zim Hosein]

I am very happy with these mods. This was all accomplished including parts and labor for $1,300.That very impressive Directedby! :beer:

[hdwrench]

sounds like a good investment. im interested in similar mods, but DR has no online ordering as far as i know (so i can order after hours) and I am usually too busy at work to call.

[gpfarrell]

How's the G2 timer work?

I have a G-tech pro... I was getting 6.6 - 7.1 bone stock on a cold damp day. I ran maybe 5 - 6 times, and the the 7.1 had lots of wheelspin (remember the damp part).

Perhaps the 6.6 benefited from just enough wheelspin?

I know the G-tech isn't faultless, but I've tried it in other cars & used it to test the difference a Flowmaster exhaust made on our old Explorer, and the numbers always seemed about right.

Your improvement looks great... but I wonder if your car might be even faster than you think now.

[Directedby]

How's the G2 timer work?

I have a G-tech pro... I was getting 6.6 - 7.1 bone stock on a cold damp day. I ran maybe 5 - 6 times, and the the 7.1 had lots of wheelspin (remember the damp part).

Perhaps the 6.6 benefited from just enough wheelspin?

I know the G-tech isn't faultless, but I've tried it in other cars & used it to test the difference a Flowmaster exhaust made on our old Explorer, and the numbers always seemed about right.

Your improvement looks great... but I wonder if your car might be even faster than you think now.

In January I am going to 1/4 mile track. I have no idea how accurate the G2 is. Hope you are right and that it is faster than I think. My car does feel super fast. Especially the nice tire chirp and lerch from 1st to 2nd.

[sailsmen]

A 2003 that runs a 0-60 of 6.6 would be the fastest one I have heard of.

[cyclone03]

In January I am going to 1/4 mile track. I have no idea how accurate the G2 is. Hope you are right and that it is faster than I think. My car does feel super fast. Especially the nice tire chirp and lerch from 1st to 2nd.

Remember if you run at Palmdale your over 3300ft so your times will be off compared to us who run closer to sea level.
But you can compare your G2 to what the clocks say,the clocks should be quicker by about .1 to .15 seconds.

[Directedby]

Remember if you run at Palmdale your over 3300ft so your times will be off compared to us who run closer to sea level.
But you can compare your G2 to what the clocks say,the clocks should be quicker by about .1 to .15 seconds.

Good Point.

LACR is 2,710 ft. above sea level.
To figure the altitude factor the formula is as follows:

ET: multiply your et (at LACR) by .97
MPH: multiply your mph (at LACR) by 1.03
This will give you the ET & MPH at sea level.

[gpfarrell]

A 2003 that runs a 0-60 of 6.6 would be the fastest one I have heard of.

For what it's worth, the car had about 14,000 miles on it then, so it should've been broken-in and loosened up.

I was surprised at the 6.6 too... not that it's varify-able or even meaningful without lots more accuracy. But if breaking in the motor might knock 1/2 a second off of quarter mile times, I'd think it would have a proportional effect on 0-60's.

If I'm not beating a dead horse or hijacking the thread... what would a stock 2003 normally hit 60 in?

[Directedby]

For what it's worth, the car had about 14,000 miles on it then, so it should've been broken-in and loosened up.

I was surprised at the 6.6 too... not that it's varify-able or even meaningful without lots more accuracy. But if breaking in the motor might knock 1/2 a second off of quarter mile times, I'd think it would have a proportional effect on 0-60's.

If I'm not beating a dead horse or hijacking the thread... what would a stock 2003 normally hit 60 in?

Stock specs are 0-60 in 7.5. 2003 reviews range from 7.3-7.7

My 7.85 stock on the innacurate G2 timer is probably in the 7.5-7.6 range.

6.6 for a stock Marauder equates to a 15.0 1/4 mile.

Not sure how a stock MM can get a 6.6. How did you time it?

[ADE 1000]

Stock specs are 0-60 in 7.5. 2003 reviews range from 7.3-7.7



Motor Trend got 0-60 in 6.9 secs on the first 2003 Marauder they tested. This is the article in which they compared it to the Mercedes S500.

[Directedby]

Motor Trend got 0-60 in 6.9 secs on the first 2003 Marauder they tested. This is the article in which they compared it to the Mercedes S500.

I think they road tested the VT Marauder. Most all reviews that I have found road tested 0-60 in the mid 7's.

http://www.modernracer.com/mercurymarauder.html

Anything is possible. Maybe my G2 timer is WAYYYY off at 7.85. But if it is then maybe I am running 0-60 in 5.5 secs?

[gpfarrell]

I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "stock specs".

The first time I drove a Maruader I thought it was a pig. The car was brandy new... barely had 60 miles on it... and I left the overdrive on the whole time.

Between the stiff engine and the tranny's love for OD, the car felt heavy and underpowered. Just like the ones in the magazines.

12 months later I was looking for a car and found this website. Everybody said the cars loosen up and run better with miles... shame on the whizzes at Mercury marketing for sending stiff cars to the press pools!

So... If we all agree that the cars loosen up, and the mags were quoting 7.3 - 7.5 (even skipping the Motor Trend)... perhaps a loose motor is worth 1/2 a second? That 7.3 - 7.7 could step down to 6.8 - 7.2.

I don't know that we can say a given 0-60 time corresponds to a certian quarter mile time. Gearing and traction and horsepower and torque make entertaining variables. I'd say there is certainly a correlation though, and it seems to me that a number of stock Marauders are close to the 15-flat neighborhood.

I have no idea if I can duplicate that 6.6 run, but when I did it (if the g-tech was right) the temp was 32 degrees. There was a light drizzle that was just starting to change to snow flurries. I had cold dense air and borderline traction. I can't think of better conditions for launching a low-torque/loves to rev automatic.

I'd turn the traction control off, climate control off, braketorque the motor, and go. I don't recall if I had it in Drive or shifted manually.

I do recall that on some runs I had picture perfect wheelspin... just enough to get the tach north of 3,000 before the tires hooked up.

On other runs the car bogged. After several tries the road was getting slippery-er, and I was getting run-away wheelspin and the times climbed into the 7s.

There's lots of variables in acceleration tests. My 5.0 5-speed Mustang has horrible traction, and launching it at the drags is a humbling experience. Stock Maruaders are pretty simple to get all they got though... you just mash it.

If your car really feels better... than the mods are working! If the difference in your numbers from stock to mods matches the seat-o-pants-ometer, I'd say life is good.

Cheers,
Greg

[Directedby]

I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "stock specs".

The first time I drove a Maruader I thought it was a pig. The car was brandy new... barely had 60 miles on it... and I left the overdrive on the whole time.

Between the stiff engine and the tranny's love for OD, the car felt heavy and underpowered. Just like the ones in the magazines.

12 months later I was looking for a car and found this website. Everybody said the cars loosen up and run better with miles... shame on the whizzes at Mercury marketing for sending stiff cars to the press pools!

So... If we all agree that the cars loosen up, and the mags were quoting 7.3 - 7.5 (even skipping the Motor Trend)... perhaps a loose motor is worth 1/2 a second? That 7.3 - 7.7 could step down to 6.8 - 7.2.

I don't know that we can say a given 0-60 time corresponds to a certian quarter mile time. Gearing and traction and horsepower and torque make entertaining variables. I'd say there is certainly a correlation though, and it seems to me that a number of stock Marauders are close to the 15-flat neighborhood.

I have no idea if I can duplicate that 6.6 run, but when I did it (if the g-tech was right) the temp was 32 degrees. There was a light drizzle that was just starting to change to snow flurries. I had cold dense air and borderline traction. I can't think of better conditions for launching a low-torque/loves to rev automatic.

I'd turn the traction control off, climate control off, braketorque the motor, and go. I don't recall if I had it in Drive or shifted manually.

I do recall that on some runs I had picture perfect wheelspin... just enough to get the tach north of 3,000 before the tires hooked up.

On other runs the car bogged. After several tries the road was getting slippery-er, and I was getting run-away wheelspin and the times climbed into the 7s.

There's lots of variables in acceleration tests. My 5.0 5-speed Mustang has horrible traction, and launching it at the drags is a humbling experience. Stock Maruaders are pretty simple to get all they got though... you just mash it.

If your car really feels better... than the mods are working! If the difference in your numbers from stock to mods matches the seat-o-pants-ometer, I'd say life is good.

Cheers,
Greg


Thanks Greg - I am just uncertain after 'break in' that .5 sec is realistic. Gaining a half second is huge. Motor Trend specs 2003 MM at 7.7 vs. MM VT at 5.1

http://www.motortrend.com/features/performance/112_0309_tun/index1.html

Anyway, I don't doubt you and glad that we are both enjoying our cars.

Paul

[ADE 1000]

I think they road tested the VT Marauder. Most all reviews that I have found road tested 0-60 in the mid 7's.

http://www.modernracer.com/mercurymarauder.html

Anything is possible. Maybe my G2 timer is WAYYYY off at 7.85. But if it is then maybe I am running 0-60 in 5.5 secs?

They did road test a VT Marauder, but that was at a later date. The 0-60 of 7.7 secs that they quote was from the Marauder they tested during the 2003 Car of the Year competition.

The the 6.9 second (6.89 to be exact) was the first Marauder Motor Trend ever tested in the July 2002 issue. This the first article I ever read on the Marauder. Its a shame most people forget it, since it did produce the best magazine 0-60 time for a stock 2003 Marauder. A link to the entire article is listed below:

http://www.stangbangers.com/03_MercuryMarauderVsMercedesS5 00_Article.htm

[QWK SVT]

Thanks Greg - I am just uncertain after 'break in' that .5 sec is realistic. Gaining a half second is huge. Motor Trend specs 2003 MM at 7.7 vs. MM VT at 5.1

http://www.motortrend.com/features/performance/112_0309_tun/index1.html

Anyway, I don't doubt you and glad that we are both enjoying our cars.

Paul

They did road test a VT Marauder, but that was at a later date. The 0-60 of 7.7 secs that they quote was from the Marauder they tested during the 2003 Car of the Year competition.

The the 6.9 second (6.89 to be exact) was the first Marauder Motor Trend ever tested in the July 2002 issue. This the first article I ever read on the Marauder. Its a shame most people forget it, since it did produce the best magazine 0-60 time for a stock 2003 Marauder. A link to the entire article is listed below:

http://www.stangbangers.com/03_MercuryMarauderVsMercedesS5 00_Article.htm

In the above articles, you'll also notice that they posted 15.5+ in the 1/4-mile:rolleyes:

My 2003 is still BONE stock (OK, I've done a couple oil changes), but I've run a best of 14.8, and others have done as well, if not better. So, either I should be a professional driver, or:
a) their equipment sucks
b) their drivers suck
c) their location sucks
d) any / all of the above

I have used a G-Tech, and consistantly see 0-60 runs at 6.8 - 7.1 (launch technique dependant). When I had less than 600miles on the odo, it was more like 7.1 - 7.4. I've done it numerous times, on seperate occasions. It's too consistant to be a fluke. My methodolgy is precise: same location, and minimun 4 runs (2 in each direction), averaged, to take away any variation.

You can make the argument the equipment is faulty, but I doubt it. I've tried with two devices, at the same time, and saw EXACTLY the same results (within 3 100ths). Anyone with a G-Tech, try this:
Get in a car, and setup the device. Don't hammer the gas, just ease into it, and take it really slow up to 60. Using your peripheral vision, you'll be able to see the speedometer, and note when the G-Tech stops timing the 0-60 run. They will be at the same moment (give or take)...

[BillyGman]

0-60
6.12 :banana2:

I am very happy with these mods. This was all accomplished including parts and labor for $1,300.

Figure my 1/4 mile is in the low 14's.

. I agree with you that you'll likely be running in the low 14's. I have used the G-meter often on my 2003 Marauder before it ws S/Ced. I ran a 7.0 second 0-60MPH time on the street when the car was bone stock in 80 degree temperature. I found the G-meter to be very accurate as compared to my track ET's and trap speeds, until my car got into the 12 second bracket. Then for some reason it just wasn't very accurate at all. Probably because once your car is well into the 12 second bracket, it will no longer hook nearly as well on the street as it will on the dragstrip due to all that VHT traction compound that they use at the strip. :)

[Marauder]

I can't wait to put my gears in and tune it. I'm hoping to get some numbers soon after... ehem... Fun Ford Weekend in Englishtown.

I've been wanting to get one of those testers to see how the car performs. :)

[GA-Marauder]

I completed my mods today (4:10 gears). Here is the final outcome. 0-60 times are based on my G2 timer.

STOCK 2004 MARAUDER

0-60
7.85 :mad:

Stock Marauder with JLT INTAKE & FLOWMASTERS & X-PIPE [Picked up .60]

0-60
7.25 :baaa:

Stock Marauder with JLT INTAKE & FLOWMASTERS & X-PIPE PLUS SCT TUNER (DENNIN REINHART tune), DENSO PLUGS, 180 THERMOSTAT. [Picked up 1.40]

0-60
6.45 :D

Stock Marauder with JLT INTAKE & FLOWMASTERS & X-PIPE SCT TUNER (DENNIN REINHART tune), DENSO PLUGS, 180 THERMOSTAT PLUS 4:10 GEARS. [Picked up 1.73]

0-60
6.12 :banana2:

I am very happy with these mods. This was all accomplished including parts and labor for $1,300.



Figure my 1/4 mile is in the low 14's.

:bows: Thanks Dennis.
You have exactly the same mods as I do, with the exception of 1) I have a chip and tune, and 2) I'm waiting for parts to arrive (SS tubing) to complete my X-Pipe and Mangaflow setup. Very exciting to see such improvements. OH, and BTW, I also have Underdrive Pulleys installed, and I immediately noticed SOTP improvement, for a very moderate investment. Great work!!:beer:

[ParkRanger]

I completed my mods today (4:10 gears). Here is the final outcome. 0-60 times are based on my G2 timer.

STOCK 2004 MARAUDER

0-60
7.85 :mad:

Stock Marauder with JLT INTAKE & FLOWMASTERS & X-PIPE [Picked up .60]

0-60
7.25 :baaa:

Stock Marauder with JLT INTAKE & FLOWMASTERS & X-PIPE PLUS SCT TUNER (DENNIN REINHART tune), DENSO PLUGS, 180 THERMOSTAT. [Picked up 1.40]

0-60
6.45 :D

Stock Marauder with JLT INTAKE & FLOWMASTERS & X-PIPE SCT TUNER (DENNIN REINHART tune), DENSO PLUGS, 180 THERMOSTAT PLUS 4:10 GEARS. [Picked up 1.73]

0-60
6.12 :banana2:

I am very happy with these mods. This was all accomplished including parts and labor for $1,300.

Figure my 1/4 mile is in the low 14's.

:bows: Thanks Dennis.



Sounds great, Paul. Let me know when you want to return to LACR.

ParkRanger :burnout:

[Directedby]

Since my post I have added many things and hope to be in 13's.

[Merc-O-matic]

Last week at Orlando Speed World
I ran 15.404 in the 1/4 at 93.05 MPH
My question.....if I get 4:10's, Chip, Stat and plugs
will it break 15.00? or do you need more to run in the 14:00's?
Thanks for some insight.......

Gotta Love It! :P

[Directedby]

With 4:10's and chip you will be in mid 14's. Some guys are in mid 14's with chip only. I don't personally thing stat or plugs help your time.

If you want to get to low 14's additionally do TC convertor and UD pully's.



Last week at Orlando Speed World
I ran 15.404 in the 1/4 at 93.05 MPH
My question.....if I get 4:10's, Chip, Stat and plugs
will it break 15.00? or do you need more to run in the 14:00's?
Thanks for some insight.......

Gotta Love It! :P

[Merc-O-matic]

With 4:10's and chip you will be in mid 14's. Some guys are in mid 14's with chip only. I don't personally thing stat or plugs help your time.

If you want to get to low 14's additionally do TC convertor and UD pully's.

Thanks for the good info....Think I'll go with
4:10's, Chip and Under drive pulleys....
Maybe I can squeeze it in (all) under 1 K.

Gotta Love It!

[Directedby]

Thanks for the good info....Think I'll go with
4:10's, Chip and Under drive pulleys....
Maybe I can squeeze it in (all) under 1 K.

Gotta Love It!

Easy...

4:10's $170
Install $200
Chip SCT $350
Pulleys $170
Install $90

Total $ 980

With $20 to spare for a car wash and pine tree air freshner.

[Merc-O-matic]

Easy...

4:10's $170
Install $200
Chip SCT $350
Pulleys $170
Install $90

Total $ 980

With $20 to spare for a car wash and pine tree air freshner.

There goes my "social security check" with a pine tree
air freshner to boot!

Gotta Love It! :D

[Ktorres1]

After hearing about this device for quite a while, does anyone know where could I get the Gtech-2 at the best price?

[Blackened300a]

After hearing about this device for quite a while, does anyone know where could I get the Gtech-2 at the best price?

The year 2004 like when this thread was authored. :D

Probably ebay.

[Hadamustang1]

Hop in the way back machine...

[Paul T. Casey]

After hearing about this device for quite a while, does anyone know where could I get the Gtech-2 at the best price?

http://www.gtechpro.com/

I don't know if they still make/sell the II, but here's their homepage.

[Ktorres1]

Looks good! Yea I know I woke up a zombie thread

[JimP]

Good times, you should throw ina 3,500 stall converter and take a few more tenths off the time.