Dennis Question: Stallion Torgue Converter*

[Cobra25]

I just had my Stallion T/C installed saturday 12-04-04 got it home and when you idle it's quite ,but when you put it in gear with your foot on the brake it makes a low grinding noise that you can hear. When you drive it's quite and the car does shift really nice. My factory T/C was quite . I went over TMAC1337 house to see how his is. His T/C didnt make any noise. He does have about 3-4 k on it. Mine I've put about 400 miles so far . Is this something that will go away or might the T/C be bad? Any idea's?

[Dennis Reinhart]

It should not make noise this is a very hard problem to determine without having the car here so I would sugest talking to a good Ford tech andf see what he thinks

[CRUZTAKER]

I agree with Dennis...no noise from mine, aside from massive tire spin.:D

See Dennis if you can, otherwise go back to the installer. Something isn't right.

[cyclone03]

I'll second the silence.
Mine makes no sound I can hear.
'Cept tire spin. :)

[tmac1337]

Hey Zoltan, I think I know where you left your watch!

[Cobra25]

Hay Tim, I havent wore a watch since I retired in 1996.

[tmac1337]

Errrr, I meant your class ring!

[Cobra25]

Hay Tim, I haven't wore my class ring since 1976 . It's been in the safe for 28 years!

[tmac1337]

I would check the safe again, at 47 years old the memory can get a little cheesy, know what I mean! By the way, have you seen your glasses?

[Cobra25]

I would check the safe again, at 47 years old the memory can get a little cheesy, know what I mean! By the way, have you seen your glasses? " Memory a little Cheesy , know what I mean ? " As far as memory Loss you might know more about that than me. I call it selective Memory. Now as far as the glasses go I have 20-20 vision and don't where them. It seam's to me that lately your finding alot of things ,now if I were you I'd put them on E Bay and make some money.

[RoyLPita]

So much for figuring out why the torque converter is noisy.

[Cobra25]

So much for figuring out why the torque converter is noisy. I spoke to Jack at Precision Industries , I was told that most likely it's the bearings inside the T/C that are bad , Brand new T/C 1 day old , anyhow I was told not to drive the car and have it towed somewhere and to replace it. Now I have to pay for 2 install's and pay to have it towed. I"m Fu__en Mad. This isn't right. Dennis Reinhart did call P.I. and speak to them , P.I. wanted to charge me around $60 on top of it for 2 day shipping. Dennis Reinhart got them to drop the shipping charges also gave me a phone # of a Tranny guy who is local to do the install for around $300. Thank you Dennis for helping out. I just hope the T/C didnt damage my trany. Any how you would think that a well known company like P.I. would step up to the plate to cover the extra charges like labor, towing etc when their product is defective. My opinion is that they are only interested in lineing their own pockets with our $$$. and don't care afterwards. As you can tell I'm quite mad about this. But P.I. is sending out another new one to my home today, should have it by Friday. Also I want to thank RoyLPita for getting me a better price on the reinstall at his place. Thank You Brian !

[tmac1337]

My opinion is that they are only interested in lineing their own pockets with our $$$. and don't care afterwards.

Gee, this never happens. I can't fanthom that a business would sell a product, excessively mark it up, or not stand behind it when it fails.

I know...........I know........I can hardly believe it myself!

Sorry Zoltan.

And I was sure now you had dropped your hearing aid in the damn thing!

[Cobra25]

Gee, this never happens. I can't fanthom that a business would sell a product, excessively mark it up, or not stand behind it when it fails.

I know...........I know........I can hardly believe it myself!

Sorry Zoltan.

And I was sure now you had dropped your hearing aid in the damn thing! Well at least you didn't find a hearing aid this time.

[cyclone03]

Sorry about your bad luck Cobra.
Honestly I hope it was just bad luck and not your installer beating the converter into place,as far as I know the PI's are tested inhouse before shipping.The instructions that come with the converter are very specific about properly seating the converter without any force.

I would say they stepped up by shipping you a new converter though.
I haven't heard anything about one of thier converters failing on install either,except yours of course,in the 2 and 1/2 years I've been here.

I got mine for Christmas last year,installed 7 Jan 04 and have 12000 miles on it without any problems at all.No chattering or shudders.

[SouLRioT]

I'm sure the installer did a great job, I know he knows this car inside and out, even drives one. Hope eveything is straightned out soon.

[jgc61sr2002]

Sorry to hear about your converter. :( Keep us posted on the new install. Good luck.

[tmac1337]

The installers he used are A+. It is the converter.

[Cobra25]

The installers he used are A+. It is the converter. What TMAC said is true. The installer is a Master Teck from Ford trained by Ford motor Company with over 25 years experence specializing in Transmission work. The man is a expert ,one of the best in the business, I quess sometimes one can get a bad converter ,but I'm just kinda mad because it will cost me between $450-500 extra out of my pocket ( Labor & Towing ) because of it. It's a good thing I have a extra car so I don't need to rent a car because then it would cost me more. I've always felt that if something is def. the company who makes the product should step up to the plate to cover the extra cost's because of it. I'd even be happy if they met me half way.

[Amsoil_Dealer]

That is a shame Zoltan. Better luck with unit number 2 and don't worry, it is highly unlikely that the defective unit could cause any significant damage to the tranny.
Be doubly careful about checking the fluid for any metal (there should be none) and do not re-use the fluid. If you still have that oil analysis kit, you can sned that fluid in for analysis and they will tell you if there are any microscopic trace metals in the fluid.

Don

[Cobra25]

That is a shame Zoltan. Better luck with unit number 2 and don't worry, it is highly unlikely that the defective unit could cause any significant damage to the tranny.
Be doubly careful about checking the fluid for any metal (there should be none) and do not re-use the fluid. If you still have that oil analysis kit, you can sned that fluid in for analysis and they will tell you if there are any microscopic trace metals in the fluid.

Don Thank you Don. When the 1 st unit P.I. T/C was installed they changed the tranny fluid and filter. The second unit , like the first, will be installed by a Ford Master Tranny Teck. I will have him drain the tranny & put new fluid again and another new tranny filter to be safe. I do still have the kit and I'll bring it with me. Thanks for caring !

[Cobra25]

I had my second Stallion T/C installed today at RoyLPita's shop in Delray Beach. Every thing went smooth. The tranny Teck their did a nice job also. The second Convertor is quite like it should be so far. I'll test it out in the next day or 2 to make sure this one is fine. So far it seams to shift a little different than the first ,don't know why, I'll post a up date in a few days.

[Glenn]

I had my second Stallion T/C installed today at RoyLPita's shop in Delray Beach. Every thing went smooth. The tranny Teck their did a nice job also. The second Convertor is quite like it should be so far. I'll test it out in the next day or 2 to make sure this one is fine. So far it seams to shift a little different than the first ,don't know why, I'll post a up date in a few days.

You should be very please with the PI 3000 TC. I have had mine for over 8 months and no problems. It will reduce your ET by at least 0.5 second and burn the rubber off your tires. My modest mods are nearly identical to yours except I have the stock mufflers and tail pipes. I ran 14.00 at SSHS4 and won 4 rounds in A class. You should be able to do 13.8/9 with your MM. Good luck the second time around. Your bearing problem was very unusual.

Glenn

[SergntMac]

Sorry to hear about your Stallion experience, that's a tough break. I had a single plate in my first MM, and have a triple plate now in my KB #1x. Both chattered while in neutral or park at idle speeds, and it's considered normal, it's mentioned in the instruction manual too. Nonetheless, I've had a very good experience with PI at large.

Just recently, I sent my triple plate back to Jack for PI's free stall adjustment and it all went smooth. Jack turned it around in one week, and I paid shipping. I believe PI is a good company, with an excellent product worth the money we pay for it. I guess ***** happens every once in a while, and right now, it happened to you. Sorry, about this my friend, but it seems you took it well, and I admire that. Your good luck should improve. somewhere along the line, you'll get a payback. Hope it's all happy motoring from here on.

[Cobra25]

You should be very please with the PI 3000 TC. I have had mine for over 8 months and no problems. It will reduce your ET by at least 0.5 second and burn the rubber off your tires. My modest mods are nearly identical to yours except I have the stock mufflers and tail pipes. I ran 14.00 at SSHS4 and won 4 rounds in A class. You should be able to do 13.8/9 with your MM. Good luck the second time around. Your bearing problem was very unusual.

Glenn Thank you Glenn, I'm hopeing this one is fine. One of these days I'll get it to the track.

[Cobra25]

Sorry to hear about your Stallion experience, that's a tough break. I had a single plate in my first MM, and have a triple plate now in my KB #1x. Both chattered while in neutral or park at idle speeds, and it's considered normal, it's mentioned in the instruction manual too. Nonetheless, I've had a very good experience with PI at large.

Just recently, I sent my triple plate back to Jack for PI's free stall adjustment and it all went smooth. Jack turned it around in one week, and I paid shipping. I believe PI is a good company, with an excellent product worth the money we pay for it. I guess ***** happens every once in a while, and right now, it happened to you. Sorry, about this my friend, but it seems you took it well, and I admire that. Your good luck should improve. somewhere along the line, you'll get a payback. Hope it's all happy motoring from here on. Thank you SerntMac, Took the Marauder down to Miami Beach area tonite for Dinner with the family. No noise at all . Like you said sometimes ***** happeneds, I kinda wish it didn't ,could of saved $250 on a reinstall. Anyhow thats life as they say.

[Cobra25]

Well its been 3 days since the # 2 T/C has been put in. This is what I've found out. The first one shifted really nice from 1 st to second & 2 ed to 3 rd. but it made noise so out it came. The second T/C makes no noise but the shifts are not the same. It takes alot longer to shift 1 to 2 to 3. Not happy with shift points. I take it that the stall adjustment is different. Any how I'll have to bring the car up to Dennis to have the shift points adjusted the way I want them and have it tuned in . End of story I hope.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Zoltan it apears you may have recieved a bad converter, I have no way of knowing this but Jack can determine this, now taking for granted there was a issue with the first converter it stands to reason that the shift patern on a bad converter would not be the same of a good converter, you said the patern is longer in between shift points, most of us want that at WOT I would like the shift points right at 6000 RPM if you are unhappy with your curent shft points its a very easy adjustment with the SCT tuning.:beer:

[Cobra25]

I shipped the 1 st. Convertor back to P.I. today. I think what I'm most likely going to do is give you a call and set up a app. with you up at your shop . The car is not running the way I wish it too . It could use a good tune and I have to get the shift points adjusted.