Anybody interested in upgraded camshafts?

[FordNut]

Here is an opportunity to get in on a good deal on a Ford FR500 cam kit. Includes cams, valves, springs, etc. Good all-around cams, car should still idle good but have a bit of a lope to it (not too extreme though) and make good power all the way to redline. Good for N/A or supercharged cars. If you're gonna go inside the engine anyway, might as well drop these puppies in. More info here:

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19519

Moderators: I am not involved in this deal in any way, just wanted to inform the MM members. If this is in violation of any vendor rules, please delete the thread and let me know to whack my hands with a ruler.

[Motorhead350]

How much power will be gained and how many miles will I lose on my gas tank? I know the question was asked on that link but I didn't see an answer as to how much power it would produce. Is it over 30 hp?

[FordNut]

How much power will be gained and how many miles will I lose on my gas tank? I know the question was asked on that link but I didn't see an answer as to how much power it would produce. Is it over 30 hp?
I don't suppose we'll know for sure until somebody does the upgrade. I would estimate 30 hp or so based on comments. That's all speculation until we see dyno results, though.

I do know that Dennis put them in a customer's car and they worked really good. It's a supercharged car and the bottom end is built up to handle a more aggressive tune, so its power numbers would not really be a good comparison to simply adding the cam kit to a N/A car.

[Warpath]

Just passing along info: Comp cams has 4V camshaft too which may be better suited for you.

http://www.powerandperformancenews.co m/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CC&Category_Code=106-CAM

[FordNut]

Just passing along info: Comp cams has 4V camshaft too which may be better suited for you.

http://www.powerandperformancenews.co m/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CC&Category_Code=106-CAM
Looks like cams only, instead of cams, valves, and springs. And $200 more than the Ford Racing ones, too! But thanks for the info.

[Mattsmerc]

[QUOTE=FordNut]Here is an opportunity to get in on a good deal on a Ford FR500 cam kit. Includes cams, valves, springs, etc. Good all-around cams, car should still idle good but have a bit of a lope to it (not too extreme though) and make good power all the way to redline. Good for N/A or supercharged cars. If you're gonna go inside the engine anyway, might as well drop these puppies in. More info here:

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19519

will the computer have to be redone?

[SouLRioT]

To my knowalge you woulddn't have to get it redone, but to take advantage of it more you'd want to get a custom dyno tune done.

[Warpath]

My advice is to always retune especially with stock internals. Its better to be safe than sorry.

[hdwrench]

http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com

scroll to the bottom of that page and listen/view the files in the advertisement for MACH1 cams... sounds great, kinda $$$ though especially when u add install.

id get cams if it wasnt gonna be a 3-4k mod

[DEFYANT]

Now thats a torqie video!! I like it. Too expensive though.

[hdwrench]

i think there would have to be a BIG group buy before it was even a possible option for me $$ wise.

[snowbird]

http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com (http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/)

scroll to the bottom of that page and listen/view the files in the advertisement for MACH1 cams... sounds great, kinda $$$ though especially when u add install.

id get cams if it wasnt gonna be a 3-4k mod
I heard the Mach1/SeanHyland kit on the internet and it sounds marvellous. But, at around 3500$ including install it’s rather costly (like all Sean Hyland solutions). Besides, we don’t know the gains/loss, if any. But it stimulated my curiosity and I did a little research.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

At a good local dealer, I asked for the Ford allowed time table for cams swap and the dealer came up with a rough estimate of about 8 hours. IMO, this is a best-case scenario: (skilled mechanic, well tooled shop, good planning etc.). In that scenario, it should cost less than 2000$ (parts and install).<o:p></o:p>

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Comp cams and Crower cams are starting to put a lot of grinds on the market for the 4valves with 7-10 grinds each. I also checked magazines and found 2 articles:<o:p></o:p>

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1- In MMFF of December 2004, page 177 … a set of Comp cams XE262AH (XE@?@AH) for N/A was tested on a low compression 2003 Cobra type engine, on a bench dyno, with a 2001 normally aspirated Cobra intake. A rather mild set-up lift wise with no springs upgrade. The dyno graph showed a loss of TQ in the 3500-4200rpm range and all gains were in the 5000-6000 range, maybe a good set-up for a dragracers. The peak gains were 57hp (369hp @ 6000 vs 426hp @ 6300 rpm) and 13TQ (377tq @ 4900 (377tq@4900) vs 390 tq @ 5000) for a 13% hp gain and a 3% tq gain.<o:p></o:p>

2- In MMFF of October 2004, page 184 … a set of Crower cams stage 2 with new springs was tested on a 2003 Cobra with some mods and a Kenne Bell upgrade, on a roller dyno. A rather wild set-up to say the least. The dyno graph was a looking a lot better with gains from 3000 to redline (no loss). Looked like a good street set-up. The peak gains were 33hp (648 rwhp @ 6000 vs 681rwhp @ 6000 rpm) and 23 TQ (667rwtq @3600 vs 690 rwtq @ 4200) for a 5% hp gain and a 3% tq gain. The dyno showed intermediate gains as follow: 9hp and 15tq @ 3000rpm, 16hp and 21tq @ 4000, 33hp and 35tq @ 5000 and 33hp and 29tq @ 6000 rpm. This is the very engine they should had put in our car(!!)<o:p></o:p>

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So, I think noticeable gains can be obtained. Assuming we are staying in the N/A business and that we successfully modded the intake and exhaust to about 290rwhp and 310rwtq, adding 5% hp and 3 % tq could bring about 15rwhp and 10 rwtq peak gains. Real life could be more interesting if the broad range gains of the Crower graph could be achieved since it showed gains in excess of 30rwhp and tq for more than 1000rpm. At that point, we would be pretty near the 14000$ cammer crate engine output. Finally, 50% of the reasons I would go into this would be to hear that Marauder on it’s lumpy idle: way cool!!<o:p></o:p>

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I would be glad to hear from you guys about this, since the MM.net site is blessed with a lot of skilled people.