Shaker scoop www.fordramair.com

[Bowman9]

Hey guys and girls,

I was talking to Leon of www.fordramair.com (via email) about creating a shaker scoop setup for newer cars, namely the marauder.
He currently makes reproduction setups for the older mustangs and torinos that came with shakers and ramair.
He was interested in the idea and said that others have asked him about making a setup for other newer cars.

He was thinking of making a box that would bolt to the scoop and offer a universal duct to pipe to the air box.
You would need to come up with your own mounts for the shaker box, but he figures that brake tubing would work well as it's strong, weldable and can be bent nicely with an inexpensive tool.
What do you think? would folks be willing to do a little fab work to get a shaker of their own?

You can visit his site at www.fordramair.com and let him know what you think. And if your in the SAINT ALBANS NY area you might want to check him out.

[Petrograde]

..... 'bout damn time!!!!!!!!!

[chasrein01]

I've even thought about just getting a Mach 1 scoop and mounting it on the intake and fabing up some sort of air intake to the proper side.

[Krytin]

I guess I need to take a ride to NYC!!
Now, a bone yard GM hood to cut on....

[Petrograde]

I've even thought about just getting a Mach 1 scoop and mounting it on the intake and fabing up some sort of air intake to the proper side.

same here,.. but, I thought that amount of fabrication needed would've been beyond my skills.

I think I can handle the mounts. However, getting the hole cut in just the right spot would be a PITA.

[Constable]

I'd be down with it IF he can make a scoop that's big enough to compliment the enormous Marauder. The Mach 1 scoop would look "lost" on our hoods.

[Drives03Maraude]

Hell yeah man!, that would hella set us apart in a croud! i Gotta get one man, keep us posted!
-Dennis Stiles

[Two Hawks]

same here,.. but, I thought that amount of fabrication needed would've been beyond my skills. I think I can handle the mounts. However, getting the hole cut in just the right spot would be a PITA.

Sounds like a total engineering nightmare. :eek:

It would be really cool to see what it looks like.

I do kinda like the look of that Mach 1 hood with those two hood height adjustments up to the scoop. I’m still thinkn about some kinda cowl type scoop. :dunno: just :hmmm:

I also like the coil covers that were on the one I say.

[bigslim]

I would have to say that our cars are too big for a scoop. I will leave that for the smaller cars. I like my car classy.

[Bowman9]

When I spoke to Leon He told me he makes both mustang and torino scoops.
He said that the torino scoop is about three inches longer then the mustang scoop. They are made from fiberglass so it "might be" possible to have one made a little wider than the normal stock size.

[Patrick]

This would be nice. But I am still waiting on Brians version. Just my 2 cents.

[DEFYANT]

I would have to say that our cars are too big for a scoop. I will leave that for the smaller cars. I like my car classy.
I like the scoop but agree with bigslim here. I like being "incogneto". Only enthusiests know the MM and I like it that way. For now.....

[Bowman9]

??? What's Brians version???


This would be nice. But I am still waiting on Brians version. Just my 2 cents.

[Patrick]

??? What's Brians version???

I tried looking for the thread. Its here in the community section. But it's a sytem for a ram air under the front. I am still looking but thought it would be best to respond now. Brian (Fordnut) is still working on it. I am not knocking the Hood scoop or not trying to get away from what you are trying to do I just want to keep the stock look and keep the "Stealth" Look.

Am not good at looking up stuff so I will keep trying.

[Bowman9]

Oh, okay I know what you're talking about now.
He was putting something together like the "March" kits that were used on the foxbody 5.0's


I tried looking for the thread. Its here in the community section. But it's a sytem for a ram air under the front. I am still looking but thought it would be best to respond now. Brian (Fordnut) is still working on it. I am not knocking the Hood scoop or not trying to get away from what you are trying to do I just want to keep the stock look and keep the "Stealth" Look.

Am not good at looking up stuff so I will keep trying.

[Patrick]

Oh, okay I know what you're talking about now.
He was putting something together like the "March" kits that were used on the foxbody 5.0's

Thats it. Sometimes the head gets ahead of the fingers.

[jjaguda]

Not sure how it would look. I love the scoop on my MACH. I even put a set of NOS "Cobra Jet" emblems on it (which people either love or hate). Before I bought the MACH, I had an '02 GT that I added the CDC shaker kit to. Now that I have the Marauder, its nice not having the busy hood. Funny thing is that well over half of the people that stop me on the street with the MACH think its a one of a kind custom and that the shaker scoop is evidence of a super charger. "No, Ford built it- nose to tail." To people who insist that I don't know my car and that I do have a S/C, I usually ask: "Do you know what a super charger is?" or say "Why yes, and its got a hidden jet pack too."

Anyway, according to folks on the Mach 1 Registry, the shaker scoop is good for about 2hp. I cut a hole in a perfectly good hood on the '02 GT(actually, a bought a second hood from a local parts dealer because I didn't want to cut my hood) Power did not justify it, but it did look good.

[mmmmmmarauder]

worth way more than two horsepower...


getting a huge supply of nice relatively
cool air should give up to a 15 hp boost
depending on speed (ram-air)

just ask the guy who takes out his
headlight to suck more air from under the
hood...

This is the mod that will add looks and performance


count me in...group buy or no group buy


p


:tmi: :stooges: :stooges: :stooges:

[Vortex]

I would think rather than a scoop, ducting would be the best way to go. There is already a grille below the bumber and it seems like if you wanted to you could run ducting down there, like on an Olds 442 of early 70's vintage.

[Agent M79]

Ok. I've always wanted to ask this question but thought that the answer would be so simple that one day I could simply figure it out:

So I am ramming air into this forward facing scoop, gulping it in like a hungry fat man at a pie eating contest, and then there is a torrential down-pour.

How is it that my car is not ingesting a bunch of water?

[SergntMac]

worth way more than two horsepower...

getting a huge supply of nice relatively
cool air should give up to a 15 hp boost
depending on speed (ram-air)

just ask the guy who takes out his
headlight to suck more air from under the
hood...pWell, Peter, IMHO...Not exactly.

Barry (maybe others too) pulls his headlight to improve cold air flow into the air box, and in this configuration, cold air is scooped up by confrontation with with the front of the car. I'ts almost a perfect true ram air system force feeding air directly into the air box.

A hood scoop does okay in collecting air, but the air path over the hood and top of the car is a few inches above the sheetmetal. The hood scoop will scoop what it can from the lower portion of the air passing over the vehicle, but it's not force fed as a ram air system is. Turn the scoop around into a cowl induction configuration, and you'll improve air flow as it buffers off the windshield, but in either case, you're just "skimming" the lowest layer of air blowing over the car.

Moreover, the induction path of the Mach I shaker hood routes the collected air back into the air box for filtering before it continues to the MAF. At this point, it's not as cold you think it is, and certaintly lost of lot of it's force as well. The 3-4 HP gain has been proven in testing.

If y'all want an effective hood scoop, it will have to be a few inches taller than what we have been looking at. At least six inches above the sheet metal, something like what Chrysler used in the late '60s with their highly effective "six pack" hoods. If you want a cold ram air system, it should something on the order of the March 5.0 Mustang kit, or, as effective as Barry's one-eyed system...IMHO.

If Brian is doing what I think he's doing, his system should rock, but adding the Mach I shaker system the MM? Ah, well, it's your money, eh?

[jjaguda]

Well, Peter, IMHO...Not exactly.

Barry (maybe others too) pulls his headlight to improve cold air flow into the air box, and in this configuration, cold air is scooped up by confrontation with with the front of the car. I'ts almost a perfect true ram air system force feeding air directly into the air box.

A hood scoop does okay in collecting air, but the air path over the hood and top of the car is a few inches above the sheetmetal. The hood scoop will scoop what it can from the lower portion of the air passing over the vehicle, but it's not force fed as a ram air system is. Turn the scoop around into a cowl induction configuration, and you'll improve air flow as it buffers off the windshield, but in either case, you're just "skimming" the lowest layer of air blowing over the car.

Moreover, the induction path of the Mach I shaker hood routes the collected air back into the air box for filtering before it continues to the MAF. At this point, it's not as cold you think it is, and certaintly lost of lot of it's force as well. The 3-4 HP gain has been proven in testing.

If y'all want an effective hood scoop, it will have to be a few inches taller than what we have been looking at. At least six inches above the sheet metal, something like what Chrysler used in the late '60s with their highly effective "six pack" hoods. If you want a cold ram air system, it should something on the order of the March 5.0 Mustang kit, or, as effective as Barry's one-eyed system...IMHO.

If Brian is doing what I think he's doing, his system should rock, but adding the Mach I shaker system the MM? Ah, well, it's your money, eh?


SergntMac is right on with the folks on the MACH 1 Registry. Someone on that site claimed to be involved with the development of the Shaker Scoop. He stated that the scoop only helps with "cooler" air. THe MACH 1 guys are now using adapters to raise the scoops about an inch to get the scoop more into the actual air path. As for the 'ram' effect, one Registry member maintained that whether you are moving at 30 or 70 mph, the speed of air traveling into the scoop/duct is a constant. As for the 2-3 HP, that number purportedly came from an inhouse Ford study.

[mmmmmmarauder]

for those of us without superchargers...

(It isn't exactly that I don't have the money
to spend, I just have this dream of putting a
larger engine in for low rpm torque...it may sound
better exhaust-wise and no supercharger whine)

Perhaps those of us who like the hood scoop/cowl look
can do it...maybe dyno the results when ducted
directly into the air intake...

If the hood scoop was non-functional...maybe someone
can find a way to route airflow from under the front
bumper into the air intake...


Bottom line, I really need a solution cause it is time
to change my stock air filter...


Peter
greekchicago@hotmail.com


P.S. hey Sarge, how much noise do the Ravens make
make when you take your foot off the accelerator?
I have to get my exhaust 2.5 inches all the way...
Do Kooks headers really sound better/deeper than other
(cobra) exhausts?


:stooges:

[SergntMac]

P.S. hey Sarge, how much noise do the Ravens make when you take your foot off the accelerator?
I have to get my exhaust 2.5 inches all the way...
Do Kooks headers really sound better/deeper than other
(cobra) exhausts? :stooges:

Peter, I took the Ravins off almost two years a go, but I recall they rapped off a real nice "old school" rumble. Slowpoke still has them on an otherwise stock exhaust system.

There's plenty of 411 on exhaust systems, and what sounds good, or too loud, isn't really an easy question to answer. Most of it comes down to personal taste and opinion based on past experience. I have the Magnaflow 18s on now and I love the sound. I gained 2 RWHP and 0 RWTQ from the move to the Magnaflows from the Ravin Z55.

Don't let others do your thinking, do what you want to do?

[Bowman9]

Hey Guy's

I shot email off to Leon at www.fordramair.com to see if he can take some pics of both a mustang scoop and a torino scoop placed on the hood of a crown vic/marquis/marauder to get a better idea of what it would look like for sizing.

I'll let you know what I find out.