Nitrous?

[duhtroll]

http://www.macmurchie.com/why_not.htm

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[Joe Walsh]

Holy Crap!!! What kind of car WAS that??
Did he leave his Nitrous Bottle Heater 'ON'??

[MARAUDERCHICK]

:eek: Ooooops!!:eek:

[Krytin]

I'm sorry for laughing at this and I'm glad it appears nobody was hurt , but that's too funny!!

[FiveO]

Bottles are for babies ;)

Just kidding!

Actually if used properly...and carefully...accidents like this can be avoided.

[duhtroll]

I was kinda curious to see if someone would chime in and tell how this could be avoided. Since, some of us might possibly be considering nitrous.

Maybe.

-A

[97Snake1668]

I have seen those pictures before on the net. The guy left his bottle heater on and it just heated to the point that it blew. They have made safety switches for a long time for this reason alone. I have had nitrous on my 97 Cobra and a 68 Mustang Coupe that I had and never had any problems with it. You just have to remember to respect it. Pay attention to when you have it on and remember to turn it off. Someday when I get a MM I plan on at least a 100 shot with a safe tune for it. It is definitly more fun than people think. Like I said, just respect it.....

Semper Fi,
Kris

[DEFYANT]

That sux! Can the bottle heater be hooked up to the ignition switch?

[97Snake1668]

That sux! Can the bottle heater be hooked up to the ignition switch?
Of course you can. A heater is just a positive and a neg wire if I remember right. Just hook the power up to a circuit that is with the ignition.

Semper fi,
Kris

[Haggis]

:eek: Ooooops!!:eek:





Let me refrase that...

:eek: Ooooops!!:eek:

[DEFYANT]

I am just wondering why the guy didnt do that. Seems to be a nobrainer..... And dont they have relief valves? If my dive tanks are over filled (or it gets hot in the trunk / car) the relief blows out.

[Marauderjack]

Strange.....Nitrous ain't flammable......Wonder what caused it to burn?? :confused:

Marauderjack :(

[David Morton]

Yessiree! I always wanted to run around town with what is basically an unexploded bomb mounted in the trunk.

Saying NoS isn't flammable is like saying oxygen isn't flammable, and I wouldn't run around town with a cylinder of oxygen mounted in the trunk either. For all intents, purposes and potential hazards, you can just think of NoS as concentrated oxygen.

The Apollo astronauts Grissom, White and Chaffee would have suffered a lot less had that fire on the test pad at Kennedy Space Center in 1968 been a nitrous oxide explosion instead of a simple 100% oxygen fire.

I am gratified the members here get to see what could happen, should a nitrous bottle suffer a similar catastrophic failure in their trunk during a crash.

NoS is for using at the track, and for Bf109 fighter pilots trying to climb to 25,000 feet to attack the turbocharger equipped British Mosquito pathfinder bombers, and that only in 1942-45.

:D

[martyo]

Can the bottle heater be hooked up to the ignition switch?

Yes, they can and should be wired that way. Also, it is important to have a properly functioning pressure relief valve.

[Phil @ FLP]

Nitrous is completely safe when installed and used properly. At our shop we have installed hundreds of nitrous systems, never once have I seen a explosion or accident that woud be associated with installation. Only misuse. Just because some people are afraid of something doesnt always mean its dangerous. I personally have over 150, 300hp nitrous passes on my LS1 camaro with not a single back fire or explosion. And I probably have done 200 to 300 150hp to 200hp shots on it as well. I drive the car everyday as its my only car, I drive it with a full 15# bottle at all times and when I go to the track I have 2 other spare 15# bottles. Never once have I had a problem. Nitrous has been and will always be the cheapest power for the dollar. So for any of you that are considering using nitrous dont let this one time incident scare you. If you select good quality components, have it installed correctly, make sure to have proper fueling, and install all needed safety equipment you will be fine.

By the way most likely that guy did not have a blow down tube installed on his bottle. If he had it just would have vented out of the bottle and that explosion never would have happend.

[Joe Walsh]

NoS is for using at the track, and for Bf109 fighter pilots trying to climb to 25,000 feet to attack the turbocharger equipped British Mosquito pathfinder bombers, and that only in 1942-45.

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The great state of Maryland makes the NOS choice easy for us....It is ILLEGAL to run a Nitrous system on the street.

[Bootlegger]

Nitrous is completely safe when installed and used properly. At our shop we have installed hundreds of nitrous systems, never once have I seen a explosion or accident that woud be associated with installation. Only misuse. Just because some people are afraid of something doesnt always mean its dangerous. I personally have over 150, 300hp nitrous passes on my LS1 camaro with not a single back fire or explosion. And I probably have done 200 to 300 150hp to 200hp shots on it as well. I drive the car everyday as its my only car, I drive it with a full 15# bottle at all times and when I go to the track I have 2 other spare 15# bottles. Never once have I had a problem. Nitrous has been and will always be the cheapest power for the dollar. So for any of you that are considering using nitrous dont let this one time incident scare you. If you select good quality components, have it installed correctly, make sure to have proper fueling, and install all needed safety equipment you will be fine.

By the way most likely that guy did not have a blow down tube installed on his bottle. If he had it just would have vented out of the bottle and that explosion never would have happend.What Phil said.!!!

[David Morton]

Nitrous is completely safe when installed and used properly. At our shop we have installed hundreds of nitrous systems, never once have I seen a explosion or accident that woud be associated with installation. Only misuse. Just because some people are afraid of something doesnt always mean its dangerous. I personally have over 150, 300hp nitrous passes on my LS1 camaro with not a single back fire or explosion. And I probably have done 200 to 300 150hp to 200hp shots on it as well. I drive the car everyday as its my only car, I drive it with a full 15# bottle at all times and when I go to the track I have 2 other spare 15# bottles. Never once have I had a problem. Nitrous has been and will always be the cheapest power for the dollar. So for any of you that are considering using nitrous dont let this one time incident scare you. If you select good quality components, have it installed correctly, make sure to have proper fueling, and install all needed safety equipment you will be fine.

By the way most likely that guy did not have a blow down tube installed on his bottle. If he had it just would have vented out of the bottle and that explosion never would have happend.Not wanting to pick you apart but I like to do the numbers, so the 'picking apart' is just incidental. Nothing personal intended. I understand you're in the business of selling the stuff. What follows comes with the turf.

The guy selling nitrous at the track said most guys are getting three or four passes on a 15 lb. bottle and he is selling it for $3 a pound. I'm guessing now but I'd say your 300 horse shot lasts three passes. If that's a given, and I'm not saying it is, your at 150 divided by 3 = 50 bottles at $45 each that's $2250 cost for fueling those 150, 300 horse passes, to the average Joe that has to pay $3 a pound. Let's guestimate the other 300, 150 to 200 horse passes run about the same. All told an average Joe would have spent $4500 for the fueling requirement to do what you've stated.

Getting close to Trilogy territory and you're still stuck with a "system" that won't make one extra horse without going back for more of that extra fueling requirement!

I'm sorry but, did you say this was the cheapest for the dollar? You aren't "accidentally" breathing any of this stuff are you? :D

I'll give you this much, it is cheaper for a while, but using it rapidly makes it the most expensive by far! As far as I am concerned NoS is a non-starter.

I have a question while I'm here, would this "blow down" tube prevent the bottle from blowing up if it were crushed in a crash?

[Bootlegger]

Not wanting to pick you apart but I like to do the numbers, so the 'picking apart' is just incidental. Nothing personal intended. I understand you're in the business of selling the stuff. What follows comes with the turf.

The guy selling nitrous at the track said most guys are getting three or four passes on a 15 lb. bottle and he is selling it for $3 a pound. I'm guessing now but I'd say your 300 horse shot lasts three passes. If that's a given, and I'm not saying it is, your at 150 divided by 3 = 50 bottles at $45 each that's $2250 cost for fueling those 150, 300 horse passes, to the average Joe that has to pay $3 a pound. Let's guestimate the other 300, 150 to 200 horse passes run about the same. All told an average Joe would have spent $4500 for the fueling requirement to do what you've stated.

Getting close to Trilogy territory and you're still stuck with a "system" that won't make one extra horse without going back for more of that extra fueling requirement!

I'm sorry but, did you say this was the cheapest for the dollar? You aren't "accidentally" breathing any of this stuff are you? :D

I'll give you this much, it is cheaper for a while, but using it rapidly makes it the most expensive by far! As far as I am concerned NoS is a non-starter.

I have a question while I'm here, would this "blow down" tube prevent the bottle from blowing up if it were crushed in a crash?We do most of our test and tunes, as you well know, at Bradenton, i'm not sure who you spoke with, but the cost of the fills are $2.50 per lb, and on a 100hp shot with a 10lb bottle i can get 9 passes, 125hp, around 7 to 8. Not to mess up your math, but thats the real deal with my system.

[Phil @ FLP]

Not wanting to pick you apart but I like to do the numbers, so the 'picking apart' is just incidental. Nothing personal intended. I understand you're in the business of selling the stuff. What follows comes with the turf.

The guy selling nitrous at the track said most guys are getting three or four passes on a 15 lb. bottle and he is selling it for $3 a pound. I'm guessing now but I'd say your 300 horse shot lasts three passes. If that's a given, and I'm not saying it is, your at 150 divided by 3 = 50 bottles at $45 each that's $2250 cost for fueling those 150, 300 horse passes, to the average Joe that has to pay $3 a pound. Let's guestimate the other 300, 150 to 200 horse passes run about the same. All told an average Joe would have spent $4500 for the fueling requirement to do what you've stated.

Getting close to Trilogy territory and you're still stuck with a "system" that won't make one extra horse without going back for more of that extra fueling requirement!

I'm sorry but, did you say this was the cheapest for the dollar? You aren't "accidentally" breathing any of this stuff are you? :D

I'll give you this much, it is cheaper for a while, but using it rapidly makes it the most expensive by far! As far as I am concerned NoS is a non-starter.

I have a question while I'm here, would this "blow down" tube prevent the bottle from blowing up if it were crushed in a crash?Generally I get about 5 passes on a 300 shot with a 15# bottle before I change bottles. I could probably get 7 or 8 but dont like to let the bottle get that empty dont need to spit out a motor. Also your comparing my 300 shot passes for price but does the trilogy kit support 300 additional horsepower? A better comparison would be 150 hp shot. So using your 50 bottle limit it would cost $2250 for 500 track passes. Your average nitrous kit would probably run you $1500 to $2000 for all the needed equipment. So your at a total of $4250. But you also need to look at the great thing about nitrous is assuming you have the motor to support it you can add more horsepower even cheaper. Other than the additional bottle cost I can run my system up to 300 hp. How much would it cost to make a trilogy kit make a additional 150 hp? Im guessing alot more.

Not to knock the trilogy kit at all I believe its a awesome kit which has great street and track ablilities. But like everything it has its limits, but so does nitrous. My whole reason for posting in this thread is to help squash the bad information around nitrous. I also find that every person I have met or talked to who knocks nitrous either has never run it or had run it back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s when no one knew what they were doing and were blowing their cars up.

And honestly being in the business has nothing to do with my love for nitrous. Before I even worked at the shop I currently work at I had nitrous on my car. Infact we rarely do nitrous stuff at our shop we primarly do superchargers and turbos, my boss races his turboed Outlaw 10.5 Mustang, he has had great results with turbos and superchargers and doesnt really touch nitrous. Im really the only nitrous junky there, but I will sell to a customer what ever THEY want, heck I would make more money selling people superchargers then nitrous, but if they want nitrous im gonna sell it to them. If they want a supercharger ill sell it to them.

[David Morton]

Good information guys. Thanks. It helps a lot to hear from somebody that's actually doing it than from the guy that isn't but just sells it. My numbers are high I admit, but it still is a non-starter for me.

Nitrous is great technology, don't get me wrong. My point is, it is an ongoing cost, like buying racing gas at $5 a gallon. Thanks to the nature of the beast it's not as bad as if you built your engine with 14:1 compression and had to use 104 octane all the time. But for me, streetability is the main concern, and that's why supercharging or, my personal preference turbocharging, is where I'm going to start. And along the theme of streetability, air-to-air intercooling is also the way to go.

Now I am toying with the idea of getting a nitrous assist for the turbocharger system, off the line first gear only up to say, 3500 rpm when the turbo kicks in.

But that's a ways off and...

...putting the cart (nitrous) before the horse (turbo).

Sorry I took so long to get back to this thread.

[Joe Walsh]

Now I am toying with the idea of getting a nitrous assist for the turbocharger system, off the line first gear only up to say, 3500 rpm when the turbo kicks in.

But that's a ways off and...

...putting the cart (nitrous) before the horse (turbo).

Sorry I took so long to get back to this thread.


I don't think you would be able to use Nitrous below @ 3000 RPM.

Most, if not All, nitrous systems come with a rpm activated switch to preclude Nitrous use below a certain RPM level.
This is to avoid potential nitrous backfires and the subsequent destruction of your intake tract.

[David Morton]

Thanks for the heads-up Joe, I'll be seeking experience with this before I do it.

Years ago I read a Hot Rod article about a 750 hp twin turbo w/nitrous assist mouse build and they were dilling the nitrous nozzles right into the compressor housing aimed to help them spool-up faster.

Holy air castle, Bat Man, I just found this page (http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/custom-engines.shtml) at the Sean Hyland Racing web site.

Man, I wonder if that dual turbo w/air-to-air intercooler engine would fit in my Marauder.

[blackf0rk]

Strange.....Nitrous ain't flammable......Wonder what caused it to burn?? :confused:

Marauderjack :(
Ummm..... LOL Yea.... :bs: