Has this happened to anybody else?

[Mrsteamrope]

This morning my car wouldn't start. The starter was turning the motor over at about 60 to 75 RPMS. It didn't sound like it was dragging, or the battery was dead. I stopped trying when I started to smell a very faint burnt wire odor.

I had B.J. come out and try to start it, and it did the same thing. We ended up car pooling in and we took off from work early in order to get it to the dealer.

It had sat for 3 days, but the weather has warmed up a bit here so I know it had nothing to do with the temperature.

http://www.ywave.com/~teamrope/pics/badstart.jpg

Roadside assistance took care of the tow.

The technician that worked on the car had no problem getting it started. However, it did die as soon as he started it the first time. After that he started it 5 or 6 times with no problem.

He tested the battery and charging system, they were ok. He ran the diagnostics on the computer and it came back with no error codes. He also checked all the wires to make sure that they weren't loose. (He even let me and B.J. watch.) We had it back in about an hour.

He never found out what the problem was. Anyone have any Ideas?

[Rider90]

Your coaxial wire defibrilator canisters need to be refurbished, possible junk yard swap of the harmonic fizzbobulator. If any of those don't work I have no idea my friend :depress:

[B.C. Bake]

Your coaxial wire defibrilator canisters need to be refurbished, possible junk yard swap of the harmonic fizzbobulator. If any of those don't work I have no idea my friend :depress:

I have to admitttt that's funny!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DEFYANT]

Did you hear the fuel pump when you turned the key on?

[2003 MIB]

Did you hear the fuel pump when you turned the key on?
My thought too...

[martyo]

Do you have an alarm system or remote start?

[RoyLPita]

Just curious, did you supply the same key that was used to start the car when it had the problem?

[Marauderjack]

Mine died on me twice in November 2003 going up a hill(same place both times).....Restarted OK both time and has not happened since?? :confused:

Gremlins??? Fuel Switch??? Magnetic Fields??? Moon Phase??? Beats me!! :bows:

Good Luck!!

Marauderjack :)

[rumble]

Just curious, did you supply the same key that was used to start the car when it had the problem?

Bingo! This is worth asking. I almost had one of my F150's
towed because a key croaked.

[MarauderMark]

Bingo! This is worth asking. I almost had one of my F150's
towed because a key croaked.


I had 3 sets and wound up blowing 2 sets .Luckly the 3erd set would start it to get it to the dealer to have reprogramed..But that was a chip problem.Lets not go there :mad2:

[stormtroopin']

Had a '96 Cobra with under 6k miles that had an improperly grounded starter and it fried some wires, but I don't think it even turned over. Warranty replaced the starter. It stunk for a couple of days.

[ckadiddle]

Your coaxial wire defibrilator canisters need to be refurbished, possible junk yard swap of the harmonic fizzbobulator. If any of those don't work I have no idea my friend :depress:
Naaahhh... It's the warp drive induction coil misalignment.

[teamrope]

Your coaxial wire defibrilator canisters need to be refurbished, possible junk yard swap of the harmonic fizzbobulator. If any of those don't work I have no idea my friend :depress:
:) Too funny :D

[teamrope]

Just curious, did you supply the same key that was used to start the car when it had the problem?

You may be on to something there. The tech didn't think of that either. I'll have to have Linda retry it with her key.

[BillyGman]

One of the things that I've learned over the years about cars is to start with the small and inexpensive things first. Many times it's tempting to start thinking major problems when something is going wrong with your car, but it isn't advantagous to begin replacing expensive things as ong s you're not positive about the diagnosis of the problem.


In light of that, I'd say that the key(s) in question is a good place to start. next I'd try replacing the fuel filter. if it's clogged, or partially clogged, it can cause intermitten starting and running problems like you've described. And if it turns out to be something esle, then atleast you wouldn't have spent alot of money replacing the filter. And it just might be that (or the keys).

[Mrsteamrope]

No we didn't. The dealer had B.J.'s key when it started for them. I took your suggestion and tried it with my key, it started right up. The car has been starting just fine the last two days.


Just curious, did you supply the same key that was used to start the car when it had the problem?

[Mrsteamrope]

I really wasn't listening for the fuel pump, once I heard the noise from the starter and she wouldn't turn over,I quit and got B.J. for him to check what was wrong with the car. I'm going to ask him if he heard the fuel pump.



Did you hear the fuel pump when you turned the key on?

[Mrsteamrope]

Nope, no added goodies.




Do you have an alarm system or remote start?

[Donny Carlson]

How many miles on your car? May not be relevant, though.

[WantOneSoBad]

I'm going with the gremlins, yeah...gremlins.

[teamrope]

I'm going with the gremlins, yeah...gremlins.

Us too. I didn't notice any different or missing sounds other than the SLow turning starter. She's at 21K on the odometer.

[BillyGman]

what about the fuel filter and the sparkplugs? Have they been changed yet? my guess is the fuel filter. It isn't expensive to change.

[Dark_Knight7096]

Not sure if this would be applicable but i used to own a mustang gt (SOHC) and it would turn itself over and run really bad, or just stall out until one day it just started doing what you described, i had a friend who worked for ford check it out and it turns out my IAC was bad, i got the part at cost 80 bux replaced it and never had a problem again after that.

[jaywish]

I'm fairly sure that the key is a go/no-go item. I don't see how a bad key could produce slow cranking.

Maybe I'm wrong but I'd like to be enlightened if anyone could explain that.

Jay

[Captain Steve]

Jay, I think that maybe the electronic thingamabob in the key completes the ignition circuit.

If the starter circuit is independant of the ignition, then the car could turn over, even with a bad key, but never catch.

Just speculation on my part, I have no idea how the car's wired.

[Krytin]

I'm fairly sure that the key is a go/no-go item. I don't see how a bad key could produce slow cranking.

Maybe I'm wrong but I'd like to be enlightened if anyone could explain that.

Jay
Yeah - slow crank is bad battery or bad ground/positive conection or bad starter. I'd be looking at the cables again - something may have shifted when it went up/down on the flatbed completing the circut. It may come loose/go bad again in the future!

[teamrope]

Seems like an isolated incodent. Hasn't happen again to us so far.

[jaywish]

Well, Let's hope it stays that way.

I'll cross my fingers for you.

Jay

[teamrope]

Well, Let's hope it stays that way.

I'll cross my fingers for you.

Jay

Thanks. We will check the starter and wiring to make sure they arn't loose. Other than that.... :dunno:

[MarauderMark]

Did you check the air in the tires?:lol:j/p :P

[teamrope]

Did you check the air in the tires?:lol:j/p :P

No man, but I checked the radiator... :lol:

[metroplex]

TeamRope:

First, great avatar!!! "You're going to need my Rangers at the 10 yd line. Can you count to 10? 1...2... 10! hooah!" :D Too bad he gets killed :(

Second: the burning wire/electrical smell... it could be excessive resistance in a wire causing significant current draw heating up the wire.

I recommend: GOing over the ground cable for the battery to the fender, the ground strap for the block, as well as all "big" wires going to/from the starter assembly. Using a bright flashlight/torch and examine the wires for shorts/breaks in the insulation, loose connections, and anything weird.

A slow starter means either the starter is starting to go, loose power connection, starter solenoid ready to go, etc... The key uses an RF transponder. The key itself does not complete the circuit, a module in your column does that but needs the RF signal from your key (close proximity) to do its job. Otherwise it just cranks and cranks w/o starting (it will crank at normal speed w/ the wrong RF transponder signal)

Check the wiring from the battery to your starter. Good luck and keep us posted, hooah!

[teamrope]

Good luck and keep us posted, hooah!

Roger that. HOOAH!

[MarauderMark]

No man, but I checked the radiator... :lol:


I heard that once on a cheech and chong record .i belive it was the wedding album..they were stuck and cheech was trying to start the car and it was going Rrrrrrrrrr but it wouldn't start so chong says did you check the air in the tires? and cheech responds with "go man anyone can see eet's the starter"..So i said it to see if you would catch on ..Ahh dont mind me.. :shake:

[teamrope]

I heard that once on a cheech and chong record .i belive it was the wedding album..they were stuck and cheech was trying to start the car and it was going Rrrrrrrrrr but it wouldn't start so chong says did you check the air in the tires? and cheech responds with "go man anyone can see eet's the starter"..So i said it to see if you would catch on ..Ahh dont mind me.. :shake:


:D That's where I thought you got the checked the air in the tires from. :)

[metroplex]

"You say that's your safety? Well this is my boot! hooah"

[teamrope]

"You say that's your safety? Well this is my boot! hooah"

"And it will fit up your @#$ with the right amount of presure HOOAH!" :D

[MENINBLK]

Anyone have any Ideas?

Your Dilithium Crystals had frost/dew on them.
Once the Marauder was placed on the flatbed, it jarred the Dilithium Crystals
causing the frost/dew to dissipate.

Since your dealership has no experience with a Marauder Warp Drive,
they had no way of locating the Dilithium Crystals, and verifying the frost/dew.

This is why your Maraduer was returned to you with a NTF report (No Trouble Found).

I would highly recommend that you ask your dealership to attend the next Marauder Warp Drive
instructional class when Dennis holds it in the fall...

[amedd50]

Do not feel alone...for the past four months when it is really cold I turn the key to start the car and I get a Rrrrr sound (almost like my grandsons little remote control car sound). I would turn the key to off and sometimes it would stop and sometimes it would contiue. In either case I would try to restart the car and it would start. Sometimes when I would park and turn the car off the noise would start again. Or if I was waiting and I would just turn the key to hear the radio it would start making the noise again. The car went to the dealer and they could not find anything wrong, no error codes, the battery was fully charged. They can only think that it is coming from the driver front antilock brake system or the AC valve system. Reason for those two items is the noise is coming directly from in front of the driver (like in the dash or from the firewall). But both items checked out fine. It still does it only not when it is in the shop! Anyone have any ideas??

[Krytin]

It could be the rear air bag/spring compressor adjusting ride height - I hear mine on some of the colder mornings. Sound comes from under the hood to the driver's side. Then again, it might not.

[michburt]

This morning my car wouldn't start. The starter was turning the motor over at about 60 to 75 RPMS. It didn't sound like it was dragging, or the battery was dead. I stopped trying when I started to smell a very faint burnt wire odor.

I had B.J. come out and try to start it, and it did the same thing. We ended up car pooling in and we took off from work early in order to get it to the dealer.

It had sat for 3 days, but the weather has warmed up a bit here so I know it had nothing to do with the temperature.

http://www.ywave.com/~teamrope/pics/badstart.jpg

Roadside assistance took care of the tow.

The technician that worked on the car had no problem getting it started. However, it did die as soon as he started it the first time. After that he started it 5 or 6 times with no problem.

He tested the battery and charging system, they were ok. He ran the diagnostics on the computer and it came back with no error codes. He also checked all the wires to make sure that they weren't loose. (He even let me and B.J. watch.) We had it back in about an hour.

He never found out what the problem was. Anyone have any Ideas?
My guess would be "Gremlins." Sorry.:banana:

Mike