Does anyone have the predator tuner?

[LVMarauder]

As I am slowly becoming more modded I want more control over the PCM , i Currently have the superchips maxx microtuner but as not satisfied. I want to be abele to control more parameters of the engine , so does the predator tuner from diablo actually do all that?

[Rider90]

This should answer your questions:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/reviews/showproduct.php/product/8/sort/7/cat/8/page/1

[David Morton]

This should answer your questions:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/reviews/showproduct.php/product/8/sort/7/cat/8/page/1Thanks for the product review from a users' perspective.

I also found Sean Hyland has the Predator for under $400. Click here (http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/online/product_info.php?products_id=1 038&osCsid=19caadb3305c51c41714717 baa4c61e9)for the page.

[Rider90]

I bought mine from Fox Performance (http://www.fox-performance.com/). I purchased it for $350 and now they are up to $399 but you get $60 off just by mentioning the promotion code "PREDATOR" now.

[FastMerc]

I was thinking of doing this myself,made for interesting reading.:D

[David Morton]

I bought mine from Fox Performance (http://www.fox-performance.com/). I purchased it for $350 and now they are up to $399 but you get $60 off just by mentioning the promotion code "PREDATOR" now.Huu-ahh! Rider90 is a true Rescue Squad Power Ranger! I'm glad I waited.

Thank you, Rider90. You're my man of the hour! :D

I wonder if I should wait some more...oh no! :confused:

[David Morton]

Guess you know what I've been up to!

Hey, Rider90! Your link doesn't work! Now I have to wait some more. :bigcry:

My search engine can't find it either!

Oh, well. Tactica adversa, the Romans used to say.

A cute starlett was with Bob Hope on stage in front of the troops and asked him if he had anything for her. He said, "Sure. It's in my pocket, reach in there and get it." As she put her hand in his pocket she said, "I feel silly." and he said, "Keep going and you'll feel nuts."

:laugh:

[Rider90]

Guess you know what I've been up to!

Hey, Rider90! Your link doesn't work! Now I have to wait some more. :bigcry:

My search engine can't find it either!

Oh, well. Tactica adversa, the Romans used to say.

A cute starlett was with Bob Hope on stage in front of the troops and asked him if he had anything for her. He said, "Sure. It's in my pocket, reach in there and get it." As she put her hand in his pocket she said, "I feel silly." and he said, "Keep going and you'll feel nuts."

:laugh:

The link to Fox Performance? It's still workin for me. Just search around their site and you'll walk upon it. I'll be here all night :beer:

[David Morton]

Guess my browser was goofing off cause my PC has been turned off since I was last here and now the link works. I just put in my order. Thanks again Rider90, and you can keep your title of "Man of the Hour", March 9th, 2005, 7:28PM to 8:28PM.

Of course it has expired and you're just a regular joe now. :D

[Rider90]

Guess my browser was goofing off cause my PC has been turned off since I was last here and now the link works. I just put in my order. Thanks again Rider90, and you can keep your title of "Man of the Hour", March 9th, 2005, 7:28PM to 8:28PM.

Of course it has expired and you're just a regular joe now. :D
lol, take care

[tmac1337]

MarauderTJA just had his Procharger car tuned by Diablosport and has a Predator.

I did a search for it and it can be purchased on www.concoursdirect.com for $339.00 with PC cables/kit and free 1 day air shipping. Send an email for a price match and they email a coupon code.

[MarauderTJA]

As I am slowly becoming more modded I want more control over the PCM , i Currently have the superchips maxx microtuner but as not satisfied. I want to be abele to control more parameters of the engine , so does the predator tuner from diablo actually do all that?
I have the Predator Tuner and I am extremly happy with it. Just got through tuning my Procharger Marauder on Saturday and my tuner worked directly with Diablosport with my car on their dyno as well as with his dyno at his shop. Took some time to get the car right, bit worth the time. MY tuner loved the flexibility and 30 minutes of data logging capability. I think it is worth the purchase.

[Dennis Reinhart]

The best product sold will be the new SCT Xcalibrator, with built in Data logger, and the tuning cable with this and the free SCT software you can go in and make changes to your curent program raising shft points as well as timing and line preasure this new tunner will be available with in five weeks.

[Captain Steve]

Dennis can you tell us why the SCT will be better than the Diablosport? It sounds like they do pretty much the same things.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well, SCT was started about 2 years ago the owners are the best tuners around Jerry W was the first person in the USA to do full EEC tuning on Fords, Prior to SCT we sold his tuning using Diablo blanks with JW has been tuning for years, he has thousand of hours on the dyno, he developed the SCT software that is the most comprehensive and user friendly sold. I was the first person on the United States to sell tuning for the Marauder, the first chip ever sold went to Logan, I know most of the people at Diablo and they are a great company, its up to you the consumer to determine who is best. To suit your needs.

[Rider90]

What would the differences be? I already have the speed limiter removed, 6k shift points, firm shifts around town and hard shifts at WOT...

[tmac1337]

The best product sold will be the new SCT Xcalibrator, with built in Data logger, and the tuning cable with this and the free SCT software you can go in and make changes to your curent program raising shft points as well as timing and line preasure this new tunner will be available with in five weeks.

This is absolutely NOT true!

Diablo is 2 years ahead of the competition in terms of hardware technology, hands down! The Predator has been doing for 2 years what SCT is now releasing in 5 weeks. The Predator will data log for 30 minutes of drive time and the results can be viewed on your home pc or on the Predator itself.

Their tuning capabilities are fantastic.

I do not have a beef with you Dennis, but you make exaggerated claims like this you open yourself up. I will tell anyone about my transition from SCT over to Diablosport.

[tmac1337]

Well, SCT was started about 2 years ago the owners are the best tuners around Jerry W was the first person in the USA to do full EEC tuning on Fords, Prior to SCT we sold his tuning using Diablo blanks with JW has been tuning for years, he has thousand of hours on the dyno, he developed the SCT software that is the most comprehensive and user friendly sold. I was the first person on the United States to sell tuning for the Marauder, the first chip ever sold went to Logan, I know most of the people at Diablo and they are a great company, its up to you the consumer to determine who is best. To suit your needs.

Say what you want, although Jerry is a great tuner.

I now have the best tune I have had since I have owned my car, naturally aspirated or Supercharged, Tuned by Diablosport's Scott Beer.

The tune is fantastic, and I mean to devote a new thread all about the tuning.

Your claims are way off base. One of the reasons most people on this website are using SCT is because that is what was pushed to them from the very beggining and locked up this site for SCT. I did not know any better until recently myself, and I now know the difference. I have become informed. I have no beef with you but you make these claims against other tuning possibilities and I will respond to help inform the members.

Members, go to Diablosports website, check out their hardware technology, call and speak to them, inform yourself!

[MarauderTJA]

Well, SCT was started about 2 years ago the owners are the best tuners around Jerry W was the first person in the USA to do full EEC tuning on Fords, Prior to SCT we sold his tuning using Diablo blanks with JW has been tuning for years, he has thousand of hours on the dyno, he developed the SCT software that is the most comprehensive and user friendly sold. I was the first person on the United States to sell tuning for the Marauder, the first chip ever sold went to Logan, I know most of the people at Diablo and they are a great company, its up to you the consumer to determine who is best. To suit your needs.I have not had any personal experience with SCT so I cannot comment on the differences. I have had experience with Diblosport for tuning with my 01 Supercharged GT Mustang and recently my 04 Marauder. My experience with Diablosport and the Predator tuner has been extremely positive. Excellent product and great support from Scott Beer at Diablosport. Did not charge me one penny to have my Marauder on their dyno and for the tune at their Del Rey Beach, FL incredible facility. Scott also gave me important information for upcoming tuning of my Marauder with the addition of Kooks system headers (once they become available) and exhaust as well as upgrading my injectors from 42 lbs to 60 lbs (ordered) for greater horsepower, "safe" tuning. TMAC was not at all happy with SCT's tune, but is extremely satisifed with Diablo.....Choices, that what it is all about......

[Dennis Reinhart]

Tim I am glad you have a great tune, I have paid you compliment after compliment on your car and the great looking kit you have, again I am sold on SCT so are most of the members here, I have no interest in starting a flame war on Chip companies its for the consumer to decide, as to what they are happy with and both my self and Lidio sell SCT and have thousands of happy customers I also paid tribute to Diablo.

[Rider90]

Of course they are happy with SCT. Any mod that gets more performance is a plus for anyone, but rather than hearing so many were sold on the marketing and promotions on this site, I would like to hear from more people that have seen both worlds and can give pros, cons, or flat out say who is better. I know there are a few out there that had the original diablo chip you sold, and were not 100% satisfied until their switch to SCT.

Use this thread for reference: http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14684&page=1

Seems everyone is sold on SCT, but many do not have comparison experience with Superchips Tuner and Predator Tuner. Not chip, tuner. So far I've heard one opinion, and thank you tmac1337 for assuring my purchase was worth it.

[Dennis Reinhart]

This is exactly what I am saying, and I am glad Tim is happy and this is exactly why SCT went with a new chip.

[tmac1337]

Chips and hardware are storage devices for software to be put on it. HARDWARE! SCT did not have a chip in the beginning and put their software on a Diablo chip. A chip is a chip.

The SCT 9100 and Xcalibrator are Hardware. The Predator by Diablosport is Hardware.

Software is what is put on the chips written by tuners with programming skill who write code for our vehicle applications.

One sole chip is not better than the other.....it is hardware. How can a person say they do not like a chip. It is the written software on the chip, how a vehicle performs using it, that a person does not like.

Fact: SCT has been around for 2 years.

Fact: Diablosport has been around for several years.

Fact: The SCT 9100 or Xcalibrator have nothing on the Predator as a piece of hardware and what the Predator allows you to do with in terms of changing everything from timing, gear ratio, fuel ratio, and on and on. Predator has been out for a couple of years.

Fact: Diablo has a state of the art facility in Boca Raton FL that makes the chips, Predator, and anything they sell. Go to the Diablo website for a virtual tour of it online. Diablo has a tuning facility in Delray Beach FL for Dyno tuning. Who makes SCT chips and hardware? Is it made at their facility in Orlando FL or do they pay a third company to make the stuff for them? I do not know.

Fact: SCT is coming out with the Xcalibrator2 2 years later which will allow the user to do what the Predator has been doing for a long time.

Fact: It is the tuner, a person, an individual, or group of individuals who come up with a great tune and put it on their companies respective hardware.

Fact: Any tuning company has Dealers that sell that respective companies hardware with software loaded up on it.

Fact: The tune is only as good as the programing individual who wrote the software for the hardware.

Fact: Each company has Dealers spread out who will custom tune your car on a dyno. But watch out! Each company has a lot of dealers who do lousy custom tuning. The tune is only as good as the person tuning.

Fact: Each company writes software. One company does not put their code in as alphabet soup vs the other company who writes hyrogliphics. The ECU in our car's is a computer piece of hardware that the software is loaded up to. They know what each is doing.

Fact: Again, the tune loaded up into the ECU is only as good as the writer. I now have an excellent Diablo tune written by an excellent tuner with lots of experience. SCT also has excellent tuners out there. I think both companies have few master tuners. My car was tuned by a master tuner at Diablo. SCT has master tuners I'm sure. Watch out for the numerous ones who are not!

There are choices to make when picking a company.

How good is that companies hardware?
Is there a really good tuner nearby who uses that companies hardware?
How good are the software writers and the custom tuner?

Do some homework and pick one.

[Tallboy]

Tim makes a valid and interesting point here. Just because a shop or person is affiliated with SCT or Diablo, does not make them a good tuner. This is where a little-talked-about thing called vendor reputation comes into play. Thanks for all the good info, Tim.:up:

[Justin00Stang]

Eh,

Did you know one of Diablo's founders recently jumped ship to start another company?

SCT's software has been in developement for nearly 10 years, Diablo hasn't even been around that long.

SCT's founders have been tuning at the aftermarket and OEM level for something like 40+ years combined, since the 80s.

SCT was the first to tune the 05 Mustangs, and many other vehicles.

[tmac1337]

Eh,

Did you know one of Diablo's founders recently jumped ship to start another company?

SCT's software has been in developement for nearly 10 years, Diablo hasn't even been around that long.

SCT's founders have been tuning at the aftermarket and OEM level for something like 40+ years combined, since the 80s.

SCT was the first to tune the 05 Mustangs, and many other vehicles.

It's nice to know that the forces are gathering to back each other up. So typical.

I see that this is your first post........

[Merc-O-matic]

It's nice to know that the forces are gathering to back each other up. So typical.

I see that this is your first post. Give me a break. Pathetic.

When my coins finally "add up" do I go to Delray Beach or Orange Park?
Hummmm.........I think I'll go to Orange Park!

Gotta Love It! :flamer:

[Justin00Stang]

It's nice to know that the forces are gathering to back each other up. So typical.

I see that this is your first post. Give me a break. Pathetic.
I'm just pointing out facts, we let you do that too, right?

[tmac1337]

I'm just pointing out facts, we let you do that too, right?

I stand corrected then.

Why don't you post a fact:

Are you posting on your own initiative or has someone recruited your facts?

[maraudernkc]

Justin00Stang, Diablo must be doing something right because they have the 2005 Procharger Mustangs running mid 11's with 10 PSI, gears and drag radials. not too shabby!

Procharger uses alot of the Diablo software for there kits.




Eh,

Did you know one of Diablo's founders recently jumped ship to start another company?

SCT's software has been in developement for nearly 10 years, Diablo hasn't even been around that long.

SCT's founders have been tuning at the aftermarket and OEM level for something like 40+ years combined, since the 80s.

SCT was the first to tune the 05 Mustangs, and many other vehicles.

[tmac1337]

When my coins finally "add up" do I go to Delray Beach or Orange Park?
Hummmm.........I think I'll go to Orange Park!

Gotta Love It! :flamer:

I've spent money there too! By all means, go right ahead!

If we are talking about Stallion PI TQ converters, Cobra Exhaust Kit, Mezierie water pump, gears, stats, transmission coolers, or head coolant kits, then all of the mods I listed are great for a MMer.

It is no secret these mods are on my car. Zoltan, Cobra25, has them on his Trilogy car and it rocks! His Trilogy car will kill a stock Trilogy car, I know, I have driven both. Those mods are good for any car.

[MERCMAN]

Lets keep this thread civil. Opinions are ok,, trashing other members is not.


Nuff said.

[Logan]

Careful boys..

[Marauder386]

Marauder 1 ( built 7/19/02 ) was purchased used with a DiabloSport chip already in it...install date of Sep '02 ( sez so on the 3-way switch ) ... Now here is my question...Am I gonna have to remove that Diablo chip to go to the new "fandangled" one that this thread is topic of ?? Gawd, I hope not...
If so, I will leave it in and "as is" and spend my jingle on Marauder 2 ( built 6/02- garage queen ) with Dennis ...

:cool:

[MERCDADDY]

Justin00Stang, Diablo must be doing something right because they have the 2005 Procharger Mustangs running mid 11's with 10 PSI, gears and drag radials. not too shabby!

Procharger uses alot of the Diablo software for there kits.
Not to knock the Procharger since do have one on the stang (and love it), but they are running low 12's without any power adders in the '05 Mustangs.

Oh yeah, my Procharged '00 Mustang is SCT tuned and runs great. Like a bunch said, its' the tuner, not the hardware.

As long as there's competition in the aftermarket, we're all going to benefit. Just my $.02......

[WhoMe]

Use whomever you are comfortable with for tuning. The hardware differences are really meaningless at that point. Unless the tune is off there should be no need to "adjust" anything. Proper tuning should adapt to the enviroment :)


I'd like to offer a word of caution. I personally do not believe 462rwhp is possible SAFELY at 8psi on pump gas (93). While there are only a couple of Procharged Marauders around there are many Cobras for comparison. My own "Dennis kit" blown Marauder has a JT-Trim making 9.5 psi of boost (with the biggest possible pulley) and is detuned to 420rwhp to keep the stock motor together. It's clearly capable of much more, but I don't want a rebuild right now. Unless the hp numbers are artifically inflated via race gas, icing down a cold motor, etc., I would be very careful about detonation during WOT runs. It takes about 1/4 second of detonation to shred the stock oil pump gears, and not much more to eat the pistons on the Marauder engine. 15-16 degrees of timing at 6000 rpm is about the max.

If time proves me wrong I'll be the first to admit it :)


David Posea
SCT

[maraudernkc]

Whome, the Diablo tune is running 14 degrees of timing in the two Procharger/MM cars. They were not detonating with 16 degrees but they wanted to back off for a saftey zone. I think the stock tune in the Trilogy kits run 11 degrees. You are right about detonation being the enemy or a cast bottom end.

Here's to keeping them from flying apart. :burnout:


Ps. We don't do the ice, cold motor or the 100 ocatne gas game.



Use whomever you are comfortable with for tuning. The hardware differences are really meaningless at that point. Unless the tune is off there should be no need to "adjust" anything. Proper tuning should adapt to the enviroment :)


I'd like to offer a word of caution. I personally do not believe 462rwhp is possible SAFELY at 8psi on pump gas (93). While there are only a couple of Procharged Marauders around there are many Cobras for comparison. My own "Dennis kit" blown Marauder has a JT-Trim making 9.5 psi of boost (with the biggest possible pulley) and is detuned to 420rwhp to keep the stock motor together. It's clearly capable of much more, but I don't want a rebuild right now. Unless the hp numbers are artifically inflated via race gas, icing down a cold motor, etc., I would be very careful about detonation during WOT runs. It takes about 1/4 second of detonation to shred the stock oil pump gears, and not much more to eat the pistons on the Marauder engine. 15-16 degrees of timing at 6000 rpm is about the max.

If time proves me wrong I'll be the first to admit it :)


David Posea
SCT

[Lidio]

For me and my shop becoming an SCT tuning center is one of the best recent things to happen along with getting a chassis dyno a couple of years ago.
I agree that most of the different tuner software that has now become available on the market for the most part can do the same thing with both hardware and software and net the same results amongst them.

It’s the user/tuner that makes all the difference. I don’t care who you are, that’s just the way it is. My shop has been around for 15 years now, and the last few years we’ve really separated our selves and excelled way ahead of our local and more distant competitors when it comes to tuning. The Tuning software I use is not entirely responsible for that, its my experience, opinions, beliefs and tuning philosophy’s that make up the bulk of a good tune. SCT has been very good to me with support and ultimately with soft and hardware. I don’t care who got to what first, they’re awesome right now. Between they’re up to date support with the 05’ Mustang computer and JW’s plus my own hard work and persistence… my 5-speed automatic 05 GT has run very, very good in the ¼ mile so far. In fact at this time I don’t think any one in the country has an automatic 05 GT as figured out JW from SCT and my self do.

One of the things that I’ve learned the most lately is that a lot of tuners will tell you that a tune is conservative because he thinks its conservative, but is it? A lot of tuners use tail pipe sensors to read A/F. I do not believe in this method. A lot of tuner will tell you that a certain tune isn’t detonating. How do you know. You really cant hear it after 5000-6000rpm most of the time and especially not on a chassis dyno. And if your watching the knock sensors… A competent tuner should know that their useless on most Ford’s after 4500-5000rpm’s, I’ve seen this on my own and I know this right from Ford 3-valve truck and Mustang calibration people.

A truly responsible tune wont yield miraculously high rear wheel numbers on small amounts of boost or NOS. A lot of the guys who I’ve seen (my self included) who go on to brag about a “safe” tune and are elated the day they leave the dyno only end up with busted parts in the not to distant future.

On the MM’s or Mustangs, I can lean on one with a blower and burn it down just as quick as the next guy or do my best to do a very competent, conservative & responsible tune that will have drivability characteristics like stock and do what its supposed to do when the pedal gets put down. This is where the diffenrce is. Its not all about the big, peak number at WOT on the dyno. Especially with our 4400lbs Marauders that when pulled on a typical DynoJet the load simulation is not the same. They DynoJet makes the motor think its pulling less weight because the rollers just don’t produce the same load as the real world in heavy cars. A lot of tuners dont take this into consideration.

Take a boosted MM that normally shifts at lets say 6000 rpm at WOT on the street and now try it on a DynoJet. For me they usually bang off the rev limiter before upshifting because of how much less load the DynoJet produces against the heavy MM.


Thanks

[tmac1337]

Thanks for the good information Lidio.

I agree that the quality of the tune loaded up into a car's ECU is only as good as the tuner.

I think both companies, Diablo and SCT, have good tuners mixed in with a lot of not so good tuners. Your clients speak very well of you, recognizing your obvious tuning abilities.

I don't hide what my car is doing from anyone. I'm not a vendor trying to make money by pushing a particular product one way or the other, after all, every business is in business to make money. So I am fine about sharing some of the characteristics of my tune.

My car makes over 8 psi, but not quite 9, at 6000 RPM's. I have 13 degrees of timing in the lower and mid range, which ups to 14 degrees in the high range.

My car acts completely normal when not hammering it. One could not know it was S/Ced but for the low whistle (which is great). Put the pedal down, and the car takes off! The daily driveability has not been compromised at all. I have the overdrive off until 50 MPH. My shift pressure has been increased much more than the previous tune so that it shifts perfect in my opinion. The TQ converter lockup in our MMer's, I do not know exactly what Scott Beer of Diablo did, but that annoyance is finally gone and the driveability is great. Scott told me he spent a lot of time in this regard, along with the shift points which are right on the money. My engine idle is 700 RPM foot on the brake in traffic, 800 at idle, just as I asked. After a week of hard driving I have looked inside my tips and the inside does not look like a coal chimney.

I hear no detonation in my car, during any pushes to 120 MPH, on days where the outside temp has been in the 90's. The only detonation I have heard in the past has been from previous tunes.

I am by no means an expert on this subject and would never pretend to be, but I have run tunes from a few different sources over the past 2 years, and as soon as I drove my car with my most recent tune the difference was obvious and dramatic. So I am happy for myself and my car that I came in contact with a person who has the ability and knowledge locally to get a great tune.

Both companies offer similar software for tuning, different hardware, but both have good and bad tuners. Members in this forum can get just a good a tune from a knowledgeable Diablo tuner as they can from a SCT tuner like Lidio. Let the members decide for themselves where they want to spend their money.

[Rider90]

Quick Question: My Predator set my WOT RPM shift @ 6200 RPM. I feel it losing "umph" around 6k, and it seems too high for a daily driver. Should I just set each WOT shift RPM @ 6000 RPM? or does that interfere with something else as well?

[tmac1337]

Quick Question: My Predator set my WOT RPM shift @ 6200 RPM. I feel it losing "umph" around 6k, and it seems too high for a daily driver. Should I just set each WOT shift RPM @ 6000 RPM? or does that interfere with something else as well?

Naturally Aspirated, I would leave it, the engine likes the high RPM's, but it is personal preference.

[maraudernkc]

Lidio, I know that Diablo uses a Dyno that will put a load on the car so that they can simulate actual driving conditions. The Dyno Jet Dyno will not do this. SCT uses a Mustang Dyno which also puts a load on the car. I am told that this is one of the better ways of tunning a car. We have also put a bung in before the cats to get a more accurate reading on the A/F ratio.

Your points are all good ones!

Lidio is right, becareful who you have tune you car. The software/hardware is only as good as the user/tuner using it on your car.

Maraudernkc




For me and my shop becoming an SCT tuning center is one of the best recent things to happen along with getting a chassis dyno a couple of years ago.
I agree that most of the different tuner software that has now become available on the market for the most part can do the same thing with both hardware and software and net the same results amongst them.

It’s the user/tuner that makes all the difference. I don’t care who you are, that’s just the way it is. My shop has been around for 15 years now, and the last few years we’ve really separated our selves and excelled way ahead of our local and more distant competitors when it comes to tuning. The Tuning software I use is not entirely responsible for that, its my experience, opinions, beliefs and tuning philosophy’s that make up the bulk of a good tune. SCT has been very good to me with support and ultimately with soft and hardware. I don’t care who got to what first, they’re awesome right now. Between they’re up to date support with the 05’ Mustang computer and JW’s plus my own hard work and persistence… my 5-speed automatic 05 GT has run very, very good in the ¼ mile so far. In fact at this time I don’t think any one in the country has an automatic 05 GT as figured out JW from SCT and my self do.

One of the things that I’ve learned the most lately is that a lot of tuners will tell you that a tune is conservative because he thinks its conservative, but is it? A lot of tuners use tail pipe sensors to read A/F. I do not believe in this method. A lot of tuner will tell you that a certain tune isn’t detonating. How do you know. You really cant hear it after 5000-6000rpm most of the time and especially not on a chassis dyno. And if your watching the knock sensors… A competent tuner should know that their useless on most Ford’s after 4500-5000rpm’s, I’ve seen this on my own and I know this right from Ford 3-valve truck and Mustang calibration people.

A truly responsible tune wont yield miraculously high rear wheel numbers on small amounts of boost or NOS. A lot of the guys who I’ve seen (my self included) who go on to brag about a “safe” tune and are elated the day they leave the dyno only end up with busted parts in the not to distant future.

On the MM’s or Mustangs, I can lean on one with a blower and burn it down just as quick as the next guy or do my best to do a very competent, conservative & responsible tune that will have drivability characteristics like stock and do what its supposed to do when the pedal gets put down. This is where the diffenrce is. Its not all about the big, peak number at WOT on the dyno. Especially with our 4400lbs Marauders that when pulled on a typical DynoJet the load simulation is not the same. They DynoJet makes the motor think its pulling less weight because the rollers just don’t produce the same load as the real world in heavy cars. A lot of tuners dont take this into consideration.

Take a boosted MM that normally shifts at lets say 6000 rpm at WOT on the street and now try it on a DynoJet. For me they usually bang off the rev limiter before upshifting because of how much less load the DynoJet produces against the heavy MM.


Thanks

[Justin00Stang]

Lidio, I know that Diablo uses a Dyno that will put a load on the car so that they can simulate actual driving conditions. The Dyno Jet Dyno will not do this. SCT uses a Mustang Dyno which also puts a load on the car.
My Dynojet can put load on a car. Mustang Dynos work off load and inertia...they are not totally loadcell based like some think.

[WhoMe]

Actually not all software is created equal and we (SCT) can do things others can't :) In most cases that's not an issue but it is with the 05 Mustang and to a very limited degree a blown Marauder. The only "bad" issue with the Marauder is what's called the "background loop" time. At 6000 rpms this is abut 1/2 second. No matter when a shift is commanded it won't get triggered till the background loop gets to that point. This means the start of shift can occur anwhere within that 1/2 second window, which will vary the shift point 0-500 rpms. We CAN get that range down to around 250 rpms, which still isn't perfect but it's better. That's the only really tricky Marauder issue that I know of, the rest is just fuel and spark.

The 05 Mustang is a whole 'other story !!!!!!!

David

[BigMerc]

Just an observation, maybe not quite in line but, It seems Tmac spends as much time defending some products as subtly bashing others.

You know from the start of that kind of conversation its gonna lead to no good. WHY do it? We know you have had bad experiences with some venders and products but it would serve you better to let it go and be happy with what you have now........ :argue: like I said just an observation

[MERCMAN]

I think this thread has just about ran its course, so get all your questions about Diablo on here soon. time is running out :)

[Logan]

Forget it, times up.