Latest Dyno Numbers

[MMSuperFan]

Thought some of you might be interested in seeing what we are getting out of this car now.

Trilogy S/C Kit #55
Kooks exhaust system
Meziere Water pump
4.10 Gears
255/55/18 BFG KDW's

[stevengerard]

wow, awesome numbers - congrats

[MarauderMark]

wow, awesome numbers - congrats


Yea thats some nice numbers ya got there..What mods are next? :D

[MMSuperFan]

Yea thats some nice numbers ya got there..What mods are next? :D

DR special fuel pump, Maybe a bigger MAF. Transmission and TC.

all a matter of time and money.....or should i say, TIME to make the money. :cool4:

[rayjay]

DR special fuel pump, Maybe a bigger MAF. Transmission and TC.

all a matter of time and money.....or should i say, TIME to make the money. :cool4:
Just MHO, do the tranny 1st so it will hold up to those nice numbers :2thumbs:

[Tallboy]

Great numbers!! What pulley are you running?

[sailsmen]

Awwwwwsome Numbers! :D

[MMSuperFan]

Great numbers!! What pulley are you running?
The one that came with the kit...nothing special.

[BUCKWHEAT]

The one that came with the kit...nothing special.


where did you get the dyno done??

[MMSuperFan]

where did you get the dyno done??
Redline Racing, Arlington....Tuner did the Dyno just rented the Dyno by the hour.

[maraudernkc]

MMsuperFan, Nice Dyno numbers! How much Boost are you running? Is that the stock fuel pump with a Boost a pump?


Thought some of you might be interested in seeing what we are getting out of this car now.

Trilogy S/C Kit #55
Kooks exhaust system
Meziere Water pump
4.10 Gears
255/55/18 BFG KDW's

[MMSuperFan]

MMsuperFan, Nice Dyno numbers! How much Boost are you running? Is that the stock fuel pump with a Boost a pump?
Stock pump for now, new DR pump on the way, with the KB BAP.

Boost is at just under 10 PSI

[bigjon]

damn nice numbers!

congrats. :burnout:

[maraudernkc]

The 39Lb Injectors will start to run out at around 470RWHP. Just an FYI!


Stock pump for now, new DR pump on the way, with the KB BAP.

Boost is at just under 10 PSI

[Raymond_B]

Those 42's have some life in them. Now the stock fuel system and MAF are another story :)

Awesome car........


Thanks,
Raymond
Performance Specialties

[MMSuperFan]

Those 42's have some life in them. Now the stock fuel system and MAF are another story :)

Awesome car........


Thanks,
Raymond
Performance Specialties


You would know that better than anyone here....HI Raymond!!!

:beer: :banana:

[Raymond_B]

Hi Ron, sorry wasn't evesdropping, but I think I want one of these cars.

Although I'll let you tell me what mods to pick :)

[MMSuperFan]

Hi Ron, sorry wasn't evesdropping, but I think I want one of these cars.

Although I'll let you tell me what mods to pick :)
Anytime you want to talk let me know I'll buy your lunch! :)

[BillyGman]

Congratulations on having a real powerful Marauder, and you know that I'm thrilled about your supercharger set-up, since I am with mine too. However, 440+ HP with the 9.5 PSI pullley just doesn't sound accurate to me unless there are some modifications you've done to this car other than the Trilogy S/Cer, and the headers that you haven't mentioned(and the the electric water pump can't be saving 40+ HP either). It might be that those dyno numbers were not "S.A.E. corrected"and if they aren't, then that would account for your numbers being considerably higher.

Did you get the car dyno "tested" or dyno "tuned" aftr the installation? And if you had it dyno tuned, who tuned it for you? I'm asking you this, because the only Trilogy custimers that I know of who are getting the kind of power numbers that you are, are those that have chosen the 12, and 13 PSI pullies. So the only way that I can see you getting the same power level as they are, is if the dyno wasn't measured in the S.A.E. corrected format(in which case, you can go back to the dyno place, and get the S.A.E. corrected print out from them for those two runs free of charge) or you had the car tuned by another engine tuner than Lidio of Alternative Auto, and the engine tuner you've used has the car on the ragged edge of detonation with a dfangerously aggressive air/fuel ratio, in order to get more power out of it (and that isn't good for engine longevity!!!).

[Raymond_B]

Hi Billy, I tuned the car. It is not on the ragged edge of timing or fuel (mostly in the high 11's), although the car was going a bit above 12.5 at the end of the pull. Ron has ordered some fuel system goodies to remedy that. The stock MAf is pretty much done (not pegged, but darn close) if it makes any more power I'll recommend an SCT BA2400 MAF to Ron.

SAE#'s are 441 and 397 according to my DynoJet Viewer 7.0.1.0.

What #'s are you seeing ?




Congratulations on having a real powerful Marauder, and you know that I'm thrilled about your supercharger set-up, since I am with mine too. However, 440+ HP with the 9.5 PSI pullley just doesn't sound accurate to me unless there are some modifications you've done to this car other than the Trilogy S/Cer, and the headers that you haven't mentioned(and the the electric water pump can't be saving 40+ HP either). It might be that those dyno numbers were not "S.A.E. corrected"and if they aren't, then that would account for your numbers being considerably higher.

Did you get the car dyno "tested" or dyno "tuned" aftr the installation? And if you had it dyno tuned, who tuned it for you? I'm asking you this, because the only Trilogy custimers that I know of who are getting the kind of power numbers that you are, are those that have chosen the 12, and 13 PSI pullies. So the only way that I can see you getting the same power level as they are, is if the dyno wasn't measured in the S.A.E. corrected format(in which case, you can go back to the dyno place, and get the S.A.E. corrected print out from them for those two runs free of charge) or you had the car tuned by another engine tuner than Lidio of Alternative Auto, and the engine tuner you've used has the car on the ragged edge of detonation with a dfangerously aggressive air/fuel ratio, in order to get more power out of it (and that isn't good for engine longevity!!!).

[2003 MIB]

I tuned the car.
Hmmm, a skilled tuner in DFW??? I want to know more about Raymond... Logan's got vendor rules here (good ones) but you can usually find the North Texas Marauders (I THINK we're about 12 cars now- Maury?) at the SVT Cruise Nights (4th Saturday every month April-October) at Chuck's Hamburgers in Grapevine. I think we'd be very interested in talking with you. How about coming out???

[BillyGman]

Hi Billy, I tuned the car. It is not on the ragged edge of timing or fuel (mostly in the high 11's),By "high 11's", are you talking about the total ignition timing advance, or the air/fuel ratio? although the car was going a bit above 12.5 at the end of the pull.12.5 is fine if you're speaking of the AFR. Ron has ordered some fuel system goodies to remedy that.I don't see any "remedy" being required based on what you've stated. Not with an intercooler.
What #'s are you seeing ?400 HP to the wheels (S.A.E. corrected). And that's without any dyno tune, but simply using the chip that Lidio burned for me that was included with the Trilogy supercharger kit and an aftermarket 2.5" diameter exhaust with headers. If the total ignition timing was set to advance more than 13 degrees(total), then that would be very questionable according to what I was told.

And since even the Trilogy manual states that 380-385 RWHP is the usual power level with the 9.5 PSI pulley an an otherwise stock Marauder, then I wonder about how you have drawn 60 additional HP out of his car, and if it was actually acheived with a safe tune. Like I previously stated, the only other Marauder owners who are pushing 440+ RWHP with the Trilogy kit to my knowledge, are those who are running 3 LBS more boost than he is, and/or other modifications such as intake upgrades.

[MMSuperFan]

Guys I hate to say this, but this website is great for infomation but it sucks for posting results.

It does seem to me, that if anyone comes up something that hasn't been seen before, the comments would be more in the area of "How did you do that?" instead of getting roasted for having produced a result that some have not seen before.

Logan, if you read this, feel free to delete the thread or ban me or whatever but I am sincerely sick of skeptics and back seat critics.

:puke:

After having received many PM's and offering many qualifying explanations explaining the whole process to all those concerned individuals who are skeptical, I am done with posting here.

[BillyGman]

Woe!!!! I have no idea what the above^ post is all about, because "MMsuperfan" and I had just exhanged a very polite set of PM's with eachother. And so now that I see that he's come out with this post above, I'm a bit surprised. There must be something being lost in the written word here. I'm simply trying to understand how it is that somebody is getting a full 60HP more out of the same set-up with the same car. That's all. And if there's a legitimate explanation for this, then I would've thought that it would've been shared after my last post. But perhaps I hit a nerve.

[Raymond_B]

Hi Billy, well the tune is safe verified through data logging and a wideband.

As far as 380-385 RWHP being the usual power level; I believe the included tune is very safe and on the conservative side (and the dyno sheet was for a bone stock vehicle correct ?). That's good and makes a lot of sense since it is included as part of a kit going to different parts of the country to be installed by folks with varying levels of skill, used with varying fuel quality, etc, etc.

You yourself got 20 more HP than advertised ???? So it's not out of the question to get more with some choice modifications and/or having the car in person to tune.


Thanks,
Raymond


400 HP to the wheels (S.A.E. corrected). And that's without any dyno tune, but simply using the chip that Lidio burned for me that was included with the Trilogy supercharger kit and an aftermarket 2.5" diameter exhaust with headers. If the total ignition timing was set to advance more than 13 degrees(total), then that would be very questionable according to what I was told.

And since even the Trilogy manual states that 380-385 RWHP is the usual power level with the 9.5 PSI pulley an an otherwise stock Marauder, then I wonder about how you have drawn 60 additional HP out of his car, and if it was actually acheived with a safe tune. Like I previously stated, the only other Marauder owners who are pushing 440+ RWHP with the Trilogy kit to my knowledge, are those who are running 3 LBS more boost than he is, and/or other modifications such as intake upgrades.

[prchrman]

Guys I hate to say this, but this website is great for infomation but it sucks for posting results.

It does seem to me, that if anyone comes up something that hasn't been seen before, the comments would be more in the area of "How did you do that?" instead of getting roasted for having produced a result that some have not seen before.

Logan, if you read this, feel free to delete the thread or ban me or whatever but I am sincerely sick of skeptics and back seat critics.



After having received many PM's and offering many qualifying explanations explaining the whole process to all those concerned individuals who are skeptical, I am done with posting here.

MMsuper...I understand what your saying but don't sweat it...there are others on here who just like to see info like you have posted...it someone disagrees which they always will...don't pay any attention...I loaned a guy a Gtech and he posted the results of what he got stoch vs chipped and several guys jumped him about a multitude of things...as far as I know he has never been back on...and his post was clear and correct but someone critiqued everything he said...like I say stay on line...most can see the truth...willie

[Mike Poore]

Thought some of you might be interested in seeing what we are getting out of this car now.

Trilogy S/C Kit #55
Kooks exhaust system
Meziere Water pump
4.10 Gears
255/55/18 BFG KDW's
Impressive! Can you explain the big power/torque jump at aprox 4,500rpm? No flames, just curious. :D

[Tallboy]

I've never met MMSuperFan, but we have talked through private messages and a phone call when we both bought our superchargers. He comes across [at least to me] as a straight shooter. I do not doubt his dyno results and congratulate him on the awesome numbers!:burnout:

[2003 MIB]

I am done with posting here.This makes me sad. I bought my car in June of 2003- found the site- found the North Texas Marauders and have been having a blast ever since. When I spotted your license plate a few weeks ago and realized there was another Trilogy MM in DFW AND another devoted owner- I was excited to see you posting again.
If you want to leave the board that's your call but I thank you for posting the numbers and I thank you for introducing a DFW tuner (with MM experience) to the group. You've provided a great service to those of us who've been happy with mail order but want something a little more.
If the board's not your thing- that's cool but please know you are welcome to join us locally anytime you'd like.
-Dan

After posting this I got to thinking about the NTM group...I don't think we've got a naysayer or harsh critic in the bunch. It's a pretty diverse group of owners and cars. We've got some bone stock, all colors, modified with everything from wig-wags, peanut butter jar lid, supercharger, hood ornament, aftermarket wheels, badgeless, badge enhanced and some of the prettiest underhood chrome you'll ever see. I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever say anything more negative than, "It's okay for them but I wouldn't do that to mine."- It just hit me how cool that is. Thanks!

[tmac1337]

As far as 380-385 RWHP being the usual power level; I believe the included tune is very safe and on the conservative side (and the dyno sheet was for a bone stock vehicle correct ?). That's good and makes a lot of sense since it is included as part of a kit going to different parts of the country to be installed by folks with varying levels of skill, used with varying fuel quality, etc, etc.


With a custom tune by someone who knows what he is doing, sounds like this is possible. No reason to doubt it.

[Raymond_B]

Hi Mike, well the curve looked much better when displayed on the dyno PC. I think it has something to do with the Dynojet viewer and the version of WinPep in the shop. When viewed with an older version it is nice and smooth like we saw on the dyno. That is why I posted the Runviewer version in my first post.

We might have lost a couple of data samples and that is what created the jump. I have a buddy that works for Dynojet and I will send him the file.


Impressive! Can you explain the big power/torque jump at aprox 4,500rpm? No flames, just curious. :D

[stevengerard]

Hey man, some folks just don't realize what "tone check" means in the digital world. I'm not sticking up for anyone, because some folks doubt everything, if it's not true for them it' can't be true for you. I appreciate your posts, just like Mac has found another tuner for us in Chicago you have help out those folks with the funny looking flag. Keep it up and congrats.

[BillyGman]

Can someone please show me where I stated that I doubted what was said about this Marauder in question reaching the claimed 440HP? The fact is that I don't doubt it for one minute. I simply questioned how it was done since it's out of the norm for these cars with similar mods (unless ofcourse there have been other mods that weren't mentioned here). Just because I like details doesn't mean that I'm a "naysayer" or "harsh critic" or any of the other things mentioned.


When someone starts a thread and makes claims, then they should be willing, and even expect to be asked to explain some details, and to back up their claims simply for informational purposes. otherwise, what good do claims do? And if they're going to get bent out of shape simply because someone inquires about the details, then perhaps there are underlying reasons for thier lack of patience. If any of you ever took the time to read articles like the one that this link below will give you access to, then you would fully understand the reasons for my line of questions (which BTW wen't unanswered). But don't worry, I won't bother anymore with this thread since there are those here who just want to swallow anything lest they be thought of as a "critic". :rolleyes: But for those of you who like to do their own homework, the link below is simply a start...... have a nice day....

http://www.alternativeauto.com/tuning/tuning_philosophy.html

[Raymond_B]

Which questions went unanswered ? I was trying to provide answers to every question I saw..........

I even asked you a couple :)



(which BTW wen't unanswered).

[Logan]

Another one bites the dust...