4.10's installed

[Rider90]

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[Blackened300a]

Well I have been debating this mod for some time and After reading your reaction, I just may have to go and order a ring and pinion! Question for you, Did you balance or replace the driveshaft like everyone recomends to do? and if not, Are there any Vibrations at high speeds??

[Bradley G]

Congradulations ! Wanna Race?:D

Maybe I'll try and come out and play! Where is Hooters?(Ha Ha I know where)what is the street adress?
Bradley G

[Rider90]

Congradulations ! Wanna Race?:D

Maybe I'll try and come out and play! Where is Hooters?(Ha Ha I know where)what is the street adress?
Bradley G

http://hooters.know-where.com/hooters/cgi/site?site=162&address=

1705 East Golf Road
Schaumburg, IL 60173

Near Woodfield Mall. Enter Woodfield's parking lot and circle it, keep your eyes peeled, and you won't miss it.

[nexstar7]

hey, i have mine too but still waiting on something. hey blackened where are you in queens. iam in jackson heights and (Marauder) is also.

[Bradley G]

Thanks buddy!
http://hooters.know-where.com/hooters/cgi/site?site=162&address=

1705 East Golf Road
Schaumburg, IL 60173

Near Woodfield Mall. Enter Woodfield's parking lot and circle it, keep your eyes peeled, and you won't miss it.

[ADE 1000]

The 4.10 gears were installed on my MM yesterday morning.

Who in Chicagoland installed the gears for you? And if you don't mind me asking, how much did they charge?

[RF Overlord]

Rider90:

IT'S ABOUT TIME!

:lol:

[Blackened300a]

hey blackened where are you in queens. iam in jackson heights and (Marauder) is also.
Im in Flushing Queens along with my Marauder. I have only seen one other Marauder around here bone stock and a pin stripe. I take it you been to the Hooters out in East meadow along with the Impala SS's???

[jstevens]

you don't necessarily need to balance the driveshaft.

I've had mine about 120 w/out any issues.

[stevengerard]

Well I have been debating this mod for some time and After reading your reaction, I just may have to go and order a ring and pinion! Question for you, Did you balance or replace the driveshaft like everyone recomends to do? and if not, Are there any Vibrations at high speeds??

Yes do it, I have not done anything to my drive shaft and so far so good. wish I could make it tonight. If you are changing gears consider the girdle and new cover as well

[Rider90]

Steven

2004 Marauder Black, loaded
Rienhart Vortec S/C
4.10s
3500 PI Stall
Kook's
476.9 hp 385 lbs/tq
Lidio tune
2004 Suburban Dark Charcoal
1970 W-30 442 convertible Azure Blue
I wish you could make it too :D :banana2:

[nexstar7]

Im in Flushing Queens along with my Marauder. I have only seen one other Marauder around here bone stock and a pin stripe. I take it you been to the Hooters out in East meadow along with the Impala SS's???
hup, i was there. it was like the clash of the titans. we should hang for a beer some time.

[jgc61sr2002]

Im in Flushing Queens along with my Marauder. I have only seen one other Marauder around here bone stock and a pin stripe. I take it you been to the Hooters out in East meadow along with the Impala SS's???



Welcome aboard. :welcome: The HOOTERS meet was awesome. :D Hope to see you at the next meet.

[Blackened300a]

hup, i was there. it was like the clash of the titans. we should hang for a beer some time.Sounds good to me, My Friend went to hooters about a week before I picked up my marauder and he told me there are about 10 marauders and 8 Impalas in the parking lot, Natrually by the time I got there You guys were gone! Have you had success in whipping a few Impalas? lol

[Blackened300a]

Welcome aboard. :welcome: The HOOTERS meet was awesome. :D Hope to see you at the next meet.Thanks for the Welcome!

[Rider90]

Well there is now 350 miles on my 4.10 gears and I'm still very impressed. I should have done this a long time ago, ay RF Overlord? Tonight I did two things different:

1) I got to take it on the highway. Speeds around 80 MPH, the car doesn't seem to be revving too high at all...actually lower than I had expected. I think some of that is also credited to the 255/55/18 tires vs. OEM 245. With O/D engaged, so in fourth gear, I can accelarate from 70...80..90... no problem and MUCH faster than with 3.55s and with much more ease. No downshifting. Like I said, these gears keep it in the "G Spot" of the engine revs and they won't leave you holding the pedal firmly, waiting for the power and just getting a downshift instead :D

2) WOT from a dead stop. The 255/55/18 BFG G-Force T/A KDW tires (2nd gen) chirp, hook, and take off! Much better response off the line and all the way through, I mean ALL THE WAY. It keeps on pulling, and keeps on pulling, and you never want to let off the gas pedal because you've never felt your fairly stock MM pull so damn hard before. At the first WOT from a dead stop my eyes were :eek: and inside I was giggling like a fat kid on halloween.

I do not know how the MM will perform at different speeds with the stock 245/55/18 tires on the back, so you'll have to ask someone else, but this is my opinion of how it does with these new 255/55/18 KDW (2nd gen) tires. In fact before the 4.10 install all I was thinking was that this was the worst thing I could do to my daily driver, so I was very skeptical, but man...I don't regret it and this should have been my first mod.

Gas mileage is a little sketchy at this point but filled up all the way, topped off, I can reach 100 miles by the 1/4 tank mark with 3.55s. I also reached 100 miles with the 4.10s @ 1/4 tank. 200 miles at 1/2 tank with 3.55s. Did the same with 4.10s. After that I started doing some goofing around so I can figure out what I like and don't like, stuff like that, but I filled up tonight with 320 miles to the tank which is usually what I fill up with when I had 3.55s unless I do more highway driving. So it has to go down, but it doesn't look like by much, and it all depends on your lead foot to begin with.

I hope I helped somebody out by writing this, maybe you'll be the next guy to stumble upon this when someone says "SEARCH!" and this will be what does it for you. PM me if you have any questions. Keep in mind these are the results from the 4.10 gears AND the 255/55/18 rear tires combined.

:burn:

[Shaft333]

When is the next Chicken Run? I'd like to check it out for myself, if it's cool with you.

[snowbird]

Well there is now 350 miles on my 4.10 gears and I'm still very impressed. I should have done this a long time ago, ay RF Overlord? Tonight I did two things different:

1) I got to take it on the highway. Speeds around 80 MPH, the car doesn't seem to be revving too high at all...actually lower than I had expected. I think some of that is also credited to the 255/55/18 tires vs. OEM 245. With O/D engaged, so in fourth gear, I can accelarate from 70...80..90... no problem and MUCH faster than with 3.55s and with much more ease. No downshifting. Like I said, these gears keep it in the "G Spot" of the engine revs and they won't leave you holding the pedal firmly, waiting for the power and just getting a downshift instead :D

2) WOT from a dead stop. The 255/55/18 BFG G-Force T/A KDW tires (2nd gen) chirp, hook, and take off! Much better response off the line and all the way through, I mean ALL THE WAY. It keeps on pulling, and keeps on pulling, and you never want to let off the gas pedal because you've never felt your fairly stock MM pull so damn hard before. At the first WOT from a dead stop my eyes were :eek: and inside I was giggling like a fat kid on halloween.

I do not know how the MM will perform at different speeds with the stock 245/55/18 tires on the back, so you'll have to ask someone else, but this is my opinion of how it does with these new 255/55/18 KDW (2nd gen) tires. In fact before the 4.10 install all I was thinking was that this was the worst thing I could do to my daily driver, so I was very skeptical, but man...I don't regret it and this should have been my first mod.

Gas mileage is a little sketchy at this point but filled up all the way, topped off, I can reach 100 miles by the 1/4 tank mark with 3.55s. I also reached 100 miles with the 4.10s @ 1/4 tank. 200 miles at 1/2 tank with 3.55s. Did the same with 4.10s. After that I started doing some goofing around so I can figure out what I like and don't like, stuff like that, but I filled up tonight with 320 miles to the tank which is usually what I fill up with when I had 3.55s unless I do more highway driving. So it has to go down, but it doesn't look like by much, and it all depends on your lead foot to begin with.

I hope I helped somebody out by writing this, maybe you'll be the next guy to stumble upon this when someone says "SEARCH!" and this will be what does it for you. PM me if you have any questions. Keep in mind these are the results from the 4.10 gears AND the 255/55/18 rear tires combined.

:burn:
Also did the 4.10 trick today.

My installer took 5 hours to put the gear and Auburn locker in place. The axles were very hard to undo (they had to be torch convinced). But the backlash and other clearances of the tooths of the gear and ring were spot on, on the first try, thanks to the good reputation of genuine Ford motorsport parts and i guess, some good work of my installer.

I corrected the shifts and speedo in 2 minutes using the spare SCT program Lidio had installed some time ago.

In all, i'm very happy but have to wait too, a little while, to break in the gear before opening it up.

[jgc61sr2002]

Congrats on the gear install. :D :up: IMO that is one of the biggest bang for the bux.

[Rider90]

Congrats! You'll love em.

[Pat]

Installed my 4:10's on 22 April. Cost $318 for labor and $92.00 for bit and pieces including gear oil and additive. Installer reported all went well, backlash and other clearances were set with no problems.

Improved performance is immediately noticeable, no problem getting used to it.
The wife drove it for the first time since the gear change yesterday, although she knew something had been done she doesn't know gears from shears, but when she came home she was all over me about how the MM really takes off now. She liked the feeling. Now we are like that commercial about the wife and husband gettin up earlier and earlier to get the SUV first.

Don't know about any high speed issues as I don't drive much over the speed limit. I just like to get there faster.

My tuner is back at the factory for update to the 4:10 configuration.

[Blackened300a]

Well I went ahead and took the plunge and got my 4.10s installed last week! I went from little chirps off the line to full 20' Strips out of the tires! only another 200 rpms at 65mph and the transmission even with my 1725 superchips tuner fires off the first 3 gears one after the other and keeps the engine in the power band. Definitly the best bang for the buck as far as mods. I Definitly Recommend the gear change

[worksuxxx]

I think I did the worst when I finally had 4.10's installed a couple months ago. I did not do any tune for the speedo or shifting. Have driven about 6k since and have not been happy with the new 4.10's. Almost went back to 3.55's but made the call to Lidio and he says keep em but most importantly get a tuner. So, I should see mine by friday I hope. So this message is just to inform anybody that if you are going to go to te 4.10's, have the tune done immediately to really see the difference. At least that is what I have been told. Hope to post this weekend after some driving with the new tune to back up that statement.

[FordNut]

I think I did the worst when I finally had 4.10's installed a couple months ago. I did not do any tune for the speedo or shifting. Have driven about 6k since and have not been happy with the new 4.10's. Almost went back to 3.55's but made the call to Lidio and he says keep em but most importantly get a tuner. So, I should see mine by friday I hope. So this message is just to inform anybody that if you are going to go to te 4.10's, have the tune done immediately to really see the difference. At least that is what I have been told. Hope to post this weekend after some driving with the new tune to back up that statement.
Absolutely true. Gotta get the program for the 4.10s or it will shift like crap. Even worse than OEM.

[LordVader]

Thanks for the advice..wasn't sure which to get first, but it appears they go hand in hand...and pedal to the metal = rubber on the ground!!




I think I did the worst when I finally had 4.10's installed a couple months ago. I did not do any tune for the speedo or shifting. Have driven about 6k since and have not been happy with the new 4.10's. Almost went back to 3.55's but made the call to Lidio and he says keep em but most importantly get a tuner. So, I should see mine by friday I hope. So this message is just to inform anybody that if you are going to go to te 4.10's, have the tune done immediately to really see the difference. At least that is what I have been told. Hope to post this weekend after some driving with the new tune to back up that statement.

[FordNut]

Thanks for the advice..wasn't sure which to get first, but it appears they go hand in hand...and pedal to the metal = rubber on the ground!!
Actually the chip or programmer can come first, just get it with a 3.55 and 4.10 program and switch programs when the gears are done.

[RF Overlord]

wasn't sure which to get first, but it appears they go hand in hand...

If you need to get them separately, get the tuner first...it'll make an immediate improvement in the car's driveability...then you can add the 4.10s at your convenience and correct the speedo at the same time...

*EDIT* Damn... 'Nut beat me to it... :P :D

[hbarrett]

The tuner is absolutely necessary. Everything seems wrong without it, and makes a big difference with it. Speedo and shifting is corrected with the tuner. Recently got a new program from Dennis Reinhart and the shifting is much better than previous program. Good luck.
Howard
I think I did the worst when I finally had 4.10's installed a couple months ago. I did not do any tune for the speedo or shifting. Have driven about 6k since and have not been happy with the new 4.10's. Almost went back to 3.55's but made the call to Lidio and he says keep em but most importantly get a tuner. So, I should see mine by friday I hope. So this message is just to inform anybody that if you are going to go to te 4.10's, have the tune done immediately to really see the difference. At least that is what I have been told. Hope to post this weekend after some driving with the new tune to back up that statement.

[fastblackmerc]

The tuner is absolutely necessary. Everything seems wrong without it, and makes a big difference with it. Speedo and shifting is corrected with the tuner. Recently got a new program from Dennis Reinhart and the shifting is much better than previous program. Good luck.
Howard
I think the 4.10's with a "tune" is one of the best / cheapest mods to do. I haven't had the driveshaft balanced and at 110+mph no vibration.

[worksuxxx]

Today is Friday, hoping to go home after work to find package arrived from Lidio with the tuner. Planning on some driving around town tonight. Anybody around the Houston, TX area that might be out cruisen this weekend?

[worksuxxx]

Got the tuner from Lidio today. Loaded it and yes what a difference it makes. Very much stronger 1-2 and 2-3 shift. Lower and mid torque curves feel much better as well. I did a few 0-85mph runs and brought it home. My wife decided to give it a try. Kids asleep in bedroom so I had to stay while she went driving. I told her to hold WOT til about 85-90 to feel the shifts. She came home a bit later than I expected, said about 105 mph it really wanted to keep pulling, she had to let up cuz she got scared as if the back end was feeling a bit loose. Hmmm, asked her what happened to letting up about 85-90 mph? She said she didn't realize how fast she was going, back end started swaying a bit like it was trying to break loose, she looked down and saw 105 mph and let up. Now she wants me to drive mini van tomorrow!

[hbarrett]

Never let the wife drive your car... Now you may have lost it forever and relegated to the minivan crowd! LOL Enjoy!
Got the tuner from Lidio today. Loaded it and yes what a difference it makes. Very much stronger 1-2 and 2-3 shift. Lower and mid torque curves feel much better as well. I did a few 0-85mph runs and brought it home. My wife decided to give it a try. Kids asleep in bedroom so I had to stay while she went driving. I told her to hold WOT til about 85-90 to feel the shifts. She came home a bit later than I expected, said about 105 mph it really wanted to keep pulling, she had to let up cuz she got scared as if the back end was feeling a bit loose. Hmmm, asked her what happened to letting up about 85-90 mph? She said she didn't realize how fast she was going, back end started swaying a bit like it was trying to break loose, she looked down and saw 105 mph and let up. Now she wants me to drive mini van tomorrow!

[TripleG]

The 4.10 gears were installed on my MM yesterday morning. Since then I've just been cruisn' around racking up miles on them for the "breaking in" procedure. I still have not got WOT from a dead stop, but I have done it from about a 20 MPH roll (after 170 mile gear break-in) and holy #$*! this thing got a spanking! These gears honestly make up for the lack of torque our 4.6L DOHC engines have. The RPMs overall are raised a little (which was my primary concern about the gears) but when I drove around and felt the response at different speeds I have concluded that the 4.10 gear ratio keeps our engines reving in the "G Spot" the whole time.

For those that have been hesitant about this mod, I was one of you lurking around searching old threads and finding reviews, and now I've took the plunge and all I can say is...You need to do this mod! :up:

For those wondering I chose Ford Racing 4.10:1 Gears, purchased from Innovative Interceptors.

:burnout: :burnout: :burnout: :burnout: :burnout: :burnout:

EDIT: Chicago MMers, Hooters in Schaumburg @ Woodfield - Car show - Tonight 830pm. See you there!

I had mind installed 3 months after owning the MM. also installed at the same time, :banana: the cobra manifold system from Reinhart including Spin Tech muffers, metal Metrix Drive Shaft, cooler Plugs & thermostat, front and rear sway bars, performance chip, dead petal and radar detector. Had this beast up to 120 no vibration no noise and it wanted to go higher.

congrats :beer:

[worksuxxx]

Update. Drove it this morning to work. Left before wife woke up lol. Much better on acceleration up to about 100 mph. But has anybody noticed about 105 mph doesn't seem to want to pull much compared to the 355's. I Remember 355's in 3rd use to pull all the way to 128mph without letting up, just pulled strong. By the way, out in country on highway, not much traffic, so I have more chances for WOT.

[Rider90]

Update. Drove it this morning to work. Left before wife woke up lol. Much better on acceleration up to about 100 mph. But has anybody noticed about 105 mph doesn't seem to want to pull much compared to the 355's. I Remember 355's in 3rd use to pull all the way to 128mph without letting up, just pulled strong. By the way, out in country on highway, not much traffic, so I have more chances for WOT.

Anyone see that commerical with the new truck and the wife and husband wake up earlier everyday just to drive it to work? I think it was a Mercury actually. I never noticed it not pulling strong after 105, what I did notice was that I was able to play around with a firebird on the highway after putting the 4.10s in.

[worksuxxx]

May have to test drive it some more. I do know with the 410's and w/o the tune it pulled strong above 100 mph, but also speedo was off, so not sure actual speed. Reading some of the posts though, I see above 5000 rpm power drops and it is because of our exhaust. I can feel that power loss 5000-6000 and at 105 mph I believe I am in that range also. Anybody with a Kooks setup that can relate some info.

[BillyGman]

I think I did the worst when I finally had 4.10's installed a couple months ago. I did not do any tune for the speedo or shifting. Have driven about 6k since and have not been happy with the new 4.10's. Almost went back to 3.55's but made the call to Lidio and he says keep em but most importantly get a tuner. So, I should see mine by friday I hope. So this message is just to inform anybody that if you are going to go to te 4.10's, have the tune done immediately to really see the difference. At least that is what I have been told. Hope to post this weekend after some driving with the new tune to back up that statement.I agree 100%. before I installed my 4.56's, I had installed the 4.10's but like you, I also did that w/out getting any chip or tuner,and besides the shift points being off, and the spedo being off too, the car was NOT faster at all.

My 0-60MPH times were exactly the same, as were my ET and trap speed. it was only when I then got the chip that the computer allowed the car to take advantage of the new gear ratio. these new cars these days have almost everything governed by the computers. pretty soon the computers will be doing the driving for you. can you say "boring"?

ofcourse with me, the 4.10's still weren't enough since my car still wouldn't leave rubber from a dead punch which to me isn't a sign of a true "muscle" car nor did I feel that the car was all that much quicker off the line. So I then yanked out the 4.10 to install the 4.56's and I also went with the Stallion converter with a higher stall speed, and that woke the car up. (although still not enough for me so I then went with the Trilogy supercharger, but that's another story. i should've just did that first :rolleyes: ).

[Pantherman]

Let's go over the driveshaft issue one more time. Everything in the universe vibrates, including beer bottles and women. The frequency at which things
naturally want to vibrate is mostly determined by their material, mass, size and shape. Ford limited the top speed of our cars to about 120 mph because, with a 3.55 axle, that always keeps the RPM of the shaft safely below its critical frequency. Because of material and production variability, some shafts would actually be able to accommodate significantly higher speeds--and some would not. The real key issue here is physics, NOT BALANCE. Balance is a good thing, but our shafts come pretty well balanced. Our shafts are aluminum, so we already have low mass. The only upward place to go with material is carbon fiber or metal matrix--basically a stiffer form of aluminum. We could also increase natural frequency by shortening the shaft, but that is not very practical. The last option is to increase shaft diameter. The Panther platform was designed when a powerful V8 had less than 150 hp. Those cars were lucky to top 100 mph. The driveshaft tunnel was shrunk to a minimum, to maximize passenger space. Because jounce has been restricted on the Marauder,we might be able to get away with another 1/4 inch or so of diameter. If you install a 4.10 axle, then 3.55/4.10 = .866. Multiply that result times 120 mph and you get about 104 mph, which is your new safe maximum speed. Onset of critcal speed vibration can be sudden and violent. If you want to experiment to see if you have one of the better production shafts, you may get away with it. On the other hand, there are some members on this site who can confirm that trying this can be very scary--and expensive.