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MERCMAN
04-27-2005, 12:42 PM
What Does Octane Mean?
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If you've read How Car Engines Work, you know that almost all cars use four-stroke gasoline engines. One of the strokes is the compression stroke, where the engine compresses a cylinder full of air and gas into a much smaller volume before igniting it with a spark plug. The amount of compression is called the compression ratio of the engine. A typical engine might have a compression ratio of 8-to-1.

The octane rating of gasoline tells you how much the fuel can be compressed before it spontaneously ignites. When gas ignites by compression rather than because of the spark from the spark plug, it causes knocking in the engine. Knocking can damage an engine, so it is not something you want to have happening. Lower-octane gas (like "regular" 87-octane gasoline) can handle the least amount of compression before igniting.

The compression ratio of your engine determines the octane rating of the gas you must use in the car. One way to increase the horsepower of an engine of a given displacement is to increase its compression ratio. So a "high-performance engine" has a higher compression ratio and requires higher-octane fuel. The advantage of a high compression ratio is that it gives your engine a higher horsepower rating for a given engine weight -- that is what makes the engine "high performance." The disadvantage is that the gasoline for your engine costs more.

The name "octane" comes from the following fact: When you take crude oil and "crack" it in a refinery, you end up getting hydrocarbon chains of different lengths. These different chain lengths can then be separated from each other and blended to form different fuels. For example, you may have heard of methane, propane and butane. All three of them are hydrocarbons. Methane has just a single carbon atom. Propane has three carbon atoms chained together. Butane has four carbon atoms chained together. Pentane has five, hexane has six, heptane has seven and octane has eight carbons chained together.

It turns out that heptane handles compression very poorly. Compress it just a little and it ignites spontaneously. Octane handles compression very well -- you can compress it a lot and nothing happens. Eighty-seven-octane gasoline is gasoline that contains 87-percent octane and 13-percent heptane (or some other combination of fuels that has the same performance of the 87/13 combination of octane/heptane). It spontaneously ignites at a given compression level, and can only be used in engines that do not exceed that compression ratio.

During World War I, it was discovered that you can add a chemical called tetraethyl lead to gasoline and significantly improve its octane rating. Cheaper grades of gasoline could be made usable by adding this chemical. This led to the widespread use of "ethyl" or "leaded" gasoline. Unfortunately, it had side effects:
Lead clogs a catalytic converter and renders it inoperable within minutes.
The Earth became covered in a thin layer of lead, and lead is toxic to many living things (including humans).

When lead was banned, gasoline got more expensive because refineries could not boost the octane ratings of cheaper grades any more. Airplanes are still allowed to use leaded gasoline, and octane ratings of 115 are commonly used in super-high-performance piston airplane engines (jet engines burn kerosene, by the way).
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Mike Poore
04-27-2005, 12:50 PM
...What Does Octane Mean?.
Hey, we all knew that, ....sort of. Thanks for posting it, very informative.:2thumbs:

Dr Caleb
04-27-2005, 01:05 PM
During World War I, it was discovered that you can add a chemical called tetraethyl lead to gasoline and significantly improve its octane rating. Cheaper grades of gasoline could be made usable by adding this chemical. This led to the widespread use of "ethyl" or "leaded" gasoline. Unfortunately, it had side effects:
Lead clogs a catalytic converter and renders it inoperable within minutes.
The Earth became covered in a thin layer of lead, and lead is toxic to many living things (including humans).

When lead was banned, gasoline got more expensive because refineries could not boost the octane ratings of cheaper grades any more. Airplanes are still allowed to use leaded gasoline, and octane ratings of 115 are commonly used in super-high-performance piston airplane engines (jet engines burn kerosene, by the way).
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Good stuff. Leaded gas is basically banned in Canada. It was leaving a visible layer of lead by many roadways. You can still get the 'purple' leaded gas for farm use, but you have to have a special permit.

Hence we don't get some drag racing events that rely on pump fuel :( But we still get the alcohol and nitromethane races :beer:

Bluerauder
04-27-2005, 04:32 PM
What Does Octane Mean?
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Eighty-seven-octane gasoline is gasoline that contains 87-percent octane and 13-percent heptane (or some other combination of fuels that has the same performance of the 87/13 combination of octane/heptane).......

Airplanes are still allowed to use leaded gasoline, and octane ratings of 115 are commonly used in super-high-performance piston airplane engines (jet engines burn kerosene, by the way).
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I understand the 87/13 or the 93/7; but how do you get 110 and 115 octane?? Is this 100% octane with a 10-15% by volume nitromethane (or something else) booster?? :dunno:

RF Overlord
04-27-2005, 04:59 PM
I understand the 87/13 or the 93/7; but how do you get 110 and 115 octane?? Is this 100% octane with a 10-15% by volume nitromethane (or something else) booster?? :dunno:Unfortunately, the How Stuff Works info is a little over-simplified. Read this article (http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/GArticles/octane.html)...it's a bit long, but an excellent not-too-technical read, with a bit of humour thrown in...it will answer any question you can think of about how octane is determined.

Bluerauder
04-27-2005, 05:26 PM
Unfortunately, the How Stuff Works info is a little over-simplified. Read this article (http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/GArticles/octane.html)...it's a bit long, but an excellent not-too-technical read, with a bit of humour thrown in...it will answer any question you can think of about how octane is determined.

Thanks RF !!! Here's the answer that I was looking for ....


"HOW DO THEY GET OCTANE NUMBERS ABOVE 100?
Often it's done by pure extrapolation. A more reliable method, however, is through the use of so-called performance numbers. Briefly, these are arrived at by determining the instantaneous mean effective cylinder pressure (IMEP), using the fuel under test, at the highest boost that does not cause knocking. This number is then multiplied by 100 and the resultant is divided by the IMEP at the highest boost that does not cause knocking on the 100 octane equivalent fuel."

Note that, technically, there is no such thing as an octane number above 100. If you're at a party, avoid saying things like "110 octane gasoline" because people will get up and walk away from you. You should say, instead, "a gasoline with a performance number of 110." That will bring the help scurrying over with more champagne."

Mike Poore
04-27-2005, 05:35 PM
nitromethane (or something else) booster?? :dunno:
:eek: Nitromethane! :eek: Holy Hocky Sticks Batman! That's nasty stuff; but a great question, Charlie. How do you get past 100%? I hear jocks talking about giving 110% and always wondered about that, until it was learned they were shooting up steroids; but gasoline? Is anything over 100% just marketing? ;)

Mike Poore
04-27-2005, 05:44 PM
Unfortunately, the How Stuff Works info is a little over-simplified. Read this article (http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/GArticles/octane.html)...it's a bit long, but an excellent not-too-technical read, with a bit of humour thrown in...it will answer any question you can think of about how octane is determined.
Hey RF, it just occurred to me that if the explosion occurs before the plug fires, then the piston must be still on the compression stroke, and perhaps, many degrees before top dead center. It takes little imagination to understand how this condition would not be something useful in your high dollar engine. :D

RF Overlord
04-27-2005, 06:01 PM
Mike, you're absolutely right...!

Not to get too pedantic, but as RPMs increase, the spark is intentionally advanced so that by the time the piston reaches TDC, the flame front has begun propagating and can provide the maximum efficiency. Trouble begins when either A) the fuel ignites all at once in a big bang (detonation) instead of slowly and smoothly, or B) the fuel pre-ignites (as you said) while the piston is still too far BTDC, so the expanding gasses are trying to push the piston down while it's still travelling upward...both scenarios are highly detrimental your wallet.

maraudernkc
04-27-2005, 06:04 PM
Good article!


What Does Octane Mean?
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If you've read How Car Engines Work, you know that almost all cars use four-stroke gasoline engines. One of the strokes is the compression stroke, where the engine compresses a cylinder full of air and gas into a much smaller volume before igniting it with a spark plug. The amount of compression is called the compression ratio of the engine. A typical engine might have a compression ratio of 8-to-1.

The octane rating of gasoline tells you how much the fuel can be compressed before it spontaneously ignites. When gas ignites by compression rather than because of the spark from the spark plug, it causes knocking in the engine. Knocking can damage an engine, so it is not something you want to have happening. Lower-octane gas (like "regular" 87-octane gasoline) can handle the least amount of compression before igniting.

The compression ratio of your engine determines the octane rating of the gas you must use in the car. One way to increase the horsepower of an engine of a given displacement is to increase its compression ratio. So a "high-performance engine" has a higher compression ratio and requires higher-octane fuel. The advantage of a high compression ratio is that it gives your engine a higher horsepower rating for a given engine weight -- that is what makes the engine "high performance." The disadvantage is that the gasoline for your engine costs more.

The name "octane" comes from the following fact: When you take crude oil and "crack" it in a refinery, you end up getting hydrocarbon chains of different lengths. These different chain lengths can then be separated from each other and blended to form different fuels. For example, you may have heard of methane, propane and butane. All three of them are hydrocarbons. Methane has just a single carbon atom. Propane has three carbon atoms chained together. Butane has four carbon atoms chained together. Pentane has five, hexane has six, heptane has seven and octane has eight carbons chained together.

It turns out that heptane handles compression very poorly. Compress it just a little and it ignites spontaneously. Octane handles compression very well -- you can compress it a lot and nothing happens. Eighty-seven-octane gasoline is gasoline that contains 87-percent octane and 13-percent heptane (or some other combination of fuels that has the same performance of the 87/13 combination of octane/heptane). It spontaneously ignites at a given compression level, and can only be used in engines that do not exceed that compression ratio.

During World War I, it was discovered that you can add a chemical called tetraethyl lead to gasoline and significantly improve its octane rating. Cheaper grades of gasoline could be made usable by adding this chemical. This led to the widespread use of "ethyl" or "leaded" gasoline. Unfortunately, it had side effects:
Lead clogs a catalytic converter and renders it inoperable within minutes.
The Earth became covered in a thin layer of lead, and lead is toxic to many living things (including humans).

When lead was banned, gasoline got more expensive because refineries could not boost the octane ratings of cheaper grades any more. Airplanes are still allowed to use leaded gasoline, and octane ratings of 115 are commonly used in super-high-performance piston airplane engines (jet engines burn kerosene, by the way).
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SergntMac
04-27-2005, 06:25 PM
"pedantic"

"propagating"
(wiping my leaky nose on my left sleeve) Yeah, I hear (wipe) ya, Bob and I'm on it, K? Two to go...Ummm...Starbucks got (wipe) cream and sugar, (snif) right?