Seriously Pondering Trilogy Kit [Archive] - MercuryMarauder.net Forums

blackf0rk

04-30-2005, 04:28 PM

Hey everyone! I'm so glad that I bought my Marauder. It truly is the first car I had that has the potential of riding with the big dogs without doing a TON of modifications to it. Plus, riding it stock gets all the looks; it truly is a special car!

In order to run with the big dogs though, I'll need that kit. I've been pondering it, looking at all the success storys, trying to figure out how it all works, and I still have some questions in my mind that still aren't clear; either to contradictions that I read or just not knowing what someone is exactly talking about. Overall though, everything I've read from all the members here has been geat!:banana2::bows:

Basically, this is a post with just a few specific questions; to determine if this kit is for me. First off, I need to say that because of my Impala Custom Turbocharged kit incident, I am extremely leary about attaching anything with the suffix "charger" to my car. With my customer turbo kit on he 'pala, It basically screwed up my car because of lack of tuning. And my wife is kind of paranoid at the whole super/turbo charger thing now too because of that.

But i just can't help it, I was born to mod this car!

So here's my plan...

I'd like to purchase the Trilogy Motorsports Supercharger and install it myself. I have three good friends (one of them being my neighbor) that are excellent with cars & Fords, to help me out. So...

1. How long would/does the installation take with say 2-3 people who have mechanical experience? A full day?

2. Once installed, what about tuning? What is all involved? Does the kit come with the SCT tuner (loaded with the Trilogy Kit flash) and you're good to go? Do you have to purchase an SCT tuner separately and it's all preprogrammed for the kit? Or do you have to ship it (the entire car) off to some place with a dyno and spend more cash for a manditory tune?

:help:

These are just my two top/main detailed questions about the overall kit. If I get the responses I'm anticipating...

:burnout:
:burnout:

Otherwise,:alone: it's Mr. Stock Marauder for me

Oh yea, I have to convince the wife - but we've gone through that in another thread. :depress:

RF Overlord

04-30-2005, 04:40 PM

2. Once installed, what about tuning? What is all involved? blackf0rk, the kit come with literally EVERYTHING you need, including the chip. When you place an order, Trilogy will send you a questionnaire asking for your PCM code and about any mods you have, like 4.10 gears, etc. They then custom burn a chip for your specific car. You don't have to buy anything else, or go anywhere to complete it. Do NOT be afraid of the tuning with this kit...it's provided by one of the best...I am very leery of doing in my motor, and I wouldn't have gone this route if I wasn't completely convinced that Lidio knows what he's doing.

*EDIT*: I take it back...the kit doesn't include EVERYTHING...I had to buy my own spark plugs... ;)

DEFYANT

04-30-2005, 04:48 PM

This is a very impressive kit. You will not be sorry. It took Rick and I at Amazon Racing 2 to 2.5 days to install the kit following the manuel step by step directions. we could have done it faster but we took our time and did it right.

Go for it!!!

mrogerc

04-30-2005, 04:56 PM

Contact Trilogy--they will send you a copy of the manual via email---it is simply amazing.

I has someone else install the kit (Marauderer, who took it off his car), but bought the SCT pro racer software. At $800, it is not cheap, but it is very fun and educational. You do not need to buy it, but it is great to be able to fine tune by yourself.

DEFYANT

04-30-2005, 05:11 PM

the SCT pro racer software. At $800, it is not cheap, but it is very fun and educational. You do not need to buy it, but it is great to be able to fine tune by yourself.
Wow. that is neat. I am looking at the Raptor Data Logger to get a clear idea of what the car is doing. This software is nice but I see me screwing with the wrong thing and fubar goes the engine!!

blackf0rk

04-30-2005, 05:25 PM

WOW! Thanks a lot guys - this is the information I needed hear!!!!! WOOWOOOO!!!!

Tallboy

04-30-2005, 05:34 PM

You have a PM!

Hey, is the "Safe House" still there? I love that place!!!:beer:

mrogerc

04-30-2005, 06:14 PM

I have looked at the Raptor data logger as well. I already have the OBD-II (www.obd-2.com) logger, and while the data aqusition rate is not nearly as good as the Raptor, it still works well, and was very inexpensive. If I did not already own it, I likely would have bought the Raptor.

cyclone03

04-30-2005, 07:49 PM

Wow,very good guys 8 post and this thread is still open. :D

Glenn

04-30-2005, 08:03 PM

MarauderMike

04-30-2005, 08:06 PM

Yes, call Jerry at Trilogy and have them send you the installation manual. I did a self install along with a friend of mine, just under 20 hours, but then again we weren't in a hurry and just took our time at it. Go for it, you won't be disappointed.

MARAUDER S/C #5

05-01-2005, 12:37 AM

Like I and others have said before, there is ONLY one mod for the MM and it is the S/C. You do not need to do anything else. I have spent more $ on mods then a S/C cost. It is a strong N/A car and handles very well, but it is NOT a S/C MM. I wish I knew that 2 years ago. I would have had my S/C MM by now and been extremely pleased. Now I can only wish that I will win the S/C raffle. Get the S/C!

Glenn
Thats right, I've been saying this for over a year now, so if you are undecided about a supercharger its time to decide. Your car is not getting any younger. And don't worry about the money, thats why you work, to pay bills. If you truly want a MUSCLE CAR stop wasting your money on other mods and order the Trilogy kit, its all you need.

SergntMac

05-01-2005, 02:47 AM

2. Once installed, what about tuning? What is all involved? Does the kit come with the SCT tuner (loaded with the Trilogy Kit flash) and you're good to go? Do you have to purchase an SCT tuner separately and it's all preprogrammed for the kit? Or do you have to ship it (the entire car) off to some place with a dyno and spend more cash for a manditory tune? All three sypercharger "kits" available here today, come with all of the necessary tuning you will need to run hard and fast, no worrries mate. You can tune beyond that, change pulleys, and so on for additional thrills, but stock out of the box, everything you will need down to the last wire tie, is included. I don't know about the rest of you, but I am impressed by the completeness of each kit. Usually, when you buy a mod, there is something else you need to get on your own. Not here, not anymore, and all three developers/vendors have my appreciation for a job well done.

Like I and others have said before, there is ONLY one mod for the MM and it is the S/C. You do not need to do anything else. I have spent more $ on mods then a S/C cost. It is a strong N/A car and handles very well, but it is NOT a S/C MM. I wish I knew that 2 years ago. I would have had my S/C MM by now and been extremely pleased. GlennDon't be too hard on yourself, Glenn, two years ago today, May 1st, 2003, there was only one supercharged Marauder on the street, and it wasn't a kit, rather a whole car make-over from Kenny Brown. The Trilogy didn't debut until late June, '03, with the Reinhart/Vortech kit on it's heels later that summer, and just recently, the ProCharger kit.

For most of us owners back then, the "other" mods you speak of was all there was to do to build power and customize the car. None of them are a waste of time or money today, just more choices to make. I spent a ton of cash on my first MM prior to buying the Kenny Brown #1x, and I had a lot of fun doing it. We never had it so good, development of mods for the Marauder over the last two years has been spectacular, and it's still going on. I would like to see a side by side comparasion between the Marauder and other "muscle" cars out out Detroit, in aftermarket mods. No one other car has developed so much interest and response in such a short time. It's amazing, yes?

MM2004

05-01-2005, 04:41 AM

blackf0rk,

When BillyGman came to town a couple of weeks ago, he brought the Trilogy manual with him and we thumbed thru it. The detail of this step by step install is nothing but spectacular.

When my neighbor couldn't believe his eyes (2 MM's in my driveway :D ) he walked over for a WTF explanation. Larry is a gear-head and was asking Billy about the kit in detail.

Remembering the install manual, literally, everything needed is with this kit down to the bracket for the alternator.

There are only 2 reasons why I do not have an S/Cer, neither one of them is because of the kit itself!

After a ride in Billy's tire shreading machine, the ***** eating grin on my face is still present to this day! :D

Go for it dude, . .

Mike.

blackf0rk

05-01-2005, 06:41 AM

***frantically looking for money***

Heh, ok guys! I've made my mind up :) Now, where did I put that 6grand...:corner:

jdando

05-01-2005, 08:34 AM

***frantically looking for money***

Heh, ok guys! I've made my mind up :) Now, where did I put that 6grand...:corner:
When you find the place with the six grand let me know I will go look there!!

jeremy

MarauderMike

05-01-2005, 10:13 AM

***frantically looking for money***

Heh, ok guys! I've made my mind up :) Now, where did I put that 6grand...:corner:

Did you buy your Marauderville Raffle ticket yet?

bigslim

05-01-2005, 11:02 AM

You will not regret getting this kit. It comes with everything you need. Two people can do the install in less than 24hrs. Carfixer put his on in one day. Mine was on in two days and on the fourth day I was beat the crap out of a 911 Porshe. Good luck on your decision.

blackf0rk

05-01-2005, 01:31 PM

Did you buy your Marauderville Raffle ticket yet?
No I didn't buy one. If I'm going to buy this kit, I'll need the 100 dollars to put towards the kit, not a ticket.

I know it's a great deal if I won, and SOMEONE has to win, but...you have to admit, it aint gonna be me - especially since I want it super bad, and with my past experience with my last car; seeing as how it would be a great fit with this new car...aint gonna happen. :depress:

Guess I'll just have to sell my kidneys and/or take out a loan. Since I like beer, I'm probably going to take out a loan;)

I'm an optimist, but I don't think it helps much. :lol:

Todd

05-02-2005, 05:28 PM

No I didn't buy one. If I'm going to buy this kit, I'll need the 100 dollars to put towards the kit, not a ticket.

I know it's a great deal if I won, and SOMEONE has to win, but...you have to admit, it aint gonna be me - especially since I want it super bad, and with my past experience with my last car; seeing as how it would be a great fit with this new car...aint gonna happen. :depress:

Guess I'll just have to sell my kidneys and/or take out a loan. Since I like beer, I'm probably going to take out a loan;)

I'm an optimist, but I don't think it helps much. :lol:

I'm the same way. My luck sucks, and when I really want something it tends not to come true. So I have had to work for everything I have ever gotten.

You will be very happy with boost. I got a copy of the install manual and it is wonderful...

Whatever boost you go with (Trilogy in this case), you will be smiling ear to ear..!!!

Everyone has to love a huge boat like ours that can stomp a vette!!!!!!

blackf0rk

05-02-2005, 07:47 PM

Really? The Trilogy kit, out of the box can stomp a vette?

DEFYANT

05-02-2005, 07:57 PM

Really? The Trilogy kit, out of the box can stomp a vette?
A vette will do 0-60 in 4.3 seconds. I did it in 4.6 seconds w/ minor wheel spin. I dont know about stomp, but it'll makem run. Not bad considering the investment. Me: less than 34K, Vette: about 50K, Make him say WTF? Priceless :D

BillyGman

05-02-2005, 11:26 PM

Really? The Trilogy kit, out of the box can stomp a vette? It depends what model and what year. The Z06 vettes are pretty quick. It would be a very close race with them up against my car (assuming they're stock) but my car has a little more than just the Trilogy kit also. But I'm also merely running the standard 9.5 PSI boost Trilogy pulley, and my car is only putting down an additional 15 RWHP than the 385 RWHP of an otherwise stock Marauder with a Trilogy kit will. But I also have the wild 4.56 gears too.

But the non-Z06 Vettes in their stock configuration run high 12's in the quartermile, and some even low 13's as far as I know. And Marauders that have nothing more than drag radial tires, and a Trilogy kit with the standard 9.5 PSI pulley are also running high 12's.

But I too have raced and easily beaten a Porsche 911 as well as three Camaro SS cars too(all were equipped with the mighty LS1 5.7L engine). Two of the Camaros were stock according their owners, and one of them has ported cylinder heads, gears, headers, and a bigger camshaft.

I can't say enough good things about this Trilogy kit. I LUV it!!! I installed it myself, and I continue to use the engine tune that the kit came with in the chip that's included. I've never had my Marauder dyno TUNED. Only Dyno TESTED. And I drive the car daily to work and back. I've raced it at the track a number of times too, and always on nothing but 93 octane pump gas.

I installed the Trilogy kit when my Marauder had 11,000 miles on it's clock, and today 13 months later, having put 17,000 supercharged miles on this car, I'm still a very satisfied customer. And I only wish that I had saved the $4,000 that I had previously spent on the other modifications that I did before the supercharger, and instead bought the Trilogy supercharger first. Live and learn I guess. :)

Think about this......stock marauders are dyno tested at 240 HP to the rear wheels (NOT at the crankshaft like the 302 HP figure that Mercury advertised ofcourse). And with only the Trilogy supercharger kit along with the chip that it comes with, Marauders will churn out 380-385 HP at the wheels on the Dyno. So for a 140 HP gain (which is at the rear wheels, not at the crankshaft) what else are you gonna do for $6,000 or less?

There's nothing that you can do for less $$ which will yield as much of a power and acceleration increase that's so trouble free. The only alternative for a Marauder for that kind of power gain is Nitrous oxide injection, and you must not forget that with that, you'll have the extra hassle and expense of having to drive across town just to have that bottle filled all the time. And you won't have that extra power unless you do that.

Rider90

05-02-2005, 11:43 PM

Wait...how much do kidneys sell for?

BillyGman

05-02-2005, 11:44 PM

Wait...how much do kidneys sell for?LOL.....now you're getting it. :D

Bradley G

05-03-2005, 04:49 AM

Maybe we could get a group sell!?
How about right arms?
Bradley G

Wait...how much do kidneys sell for?

blackf0rk

05-03-2005, 06:54 AM

Well, I'm definately not doing NOS. Kudos to all of those who took the time to install it - but to me, in my own mind it's kind of like cheating. For everyone who has NOS I don't think they're cheating; but I would feel like I'm cheating myself. Anyways...

The Trilogy kit will be mine!! Someday... ;)

SergntMac

05-03-2005, 08:38 AM

I only wish that I had saved the $4,000 that I had previously spent on the other modifications that I did before the supercharger, and instead bought the Trilogy supercharger first. Live and learn I guess.

Think about this......stock marauders are dyno tested at 240 HP to the rear wheels (NOT at the crankshaft like the 302 HP figure that Mercury advertised ofcourse). And with only the Trilogy supercharger kit along with the chip that it comes with, Marauders will churn out 380-385 HP at the wheels on the Dyno. So for a 140 HP gain (which is at the rear wheels, not at the crankshaft) what else are you gonna do for $6,000 or less?

There's nothing that you can do for less $$ which will yield as much of a power and acceleration increase that's so trouble free.
Well, like I said ^ there, BILLY, people can't buy what's not available, and many of us began building their Marauder before any supercharger kit rolled out. But, don't be too hard on yourself, remember the fun you had back then? And, now that we have 3 supercharger kits to pick from, and at much more reasonable cost today, I have to agree with you 100 percent.

This kind of performance boost for our MMs is simply awesome. Trilogy = 385 RWHP, Vortech = 425 RWHP and ProCharger = 450 RWHP, name your poison? If anyone can resist buying the intermediate mods and save their coins for the one big spend that counts more than any of them together, it's the way to go. Get supercharged, you won't go back.

Gawd...I was just thinking...I'm going to have to be a Marauder owner the rest of my life, 'cause nothing else out of Detroit will ever touch this highwater mark again!

tmac1337

05-03-2005, 08:54 AM

My car has spanked two newer model Vettes recently, but I would not bet money against a Z06.

All 3 of these kits will give the owner a large increase in HP and TQ.

In your case, Cobra25 just had his car custom tuned. That car has 4:10 gears, PI 3000 Stall TQ converter, and performance exhuast, 10.5 pulley.

With just the Trilogy kit it dyno'd at 381 RWHP 371 RWTQ with supplied tune running 10.5 PSI. After the latest custom tune with a K&N air intake the car dyno'd 443 RWHP 390 RWTQ using 11.5 PSI.

That is what you have to look forward to! :)

BillyGman

05-03-2005, 10:03 AM

In my case, there were two different supercharger kits available even when I first began to modify my Marauder. So I could've chosen the Trilogy kit first, but too bad that I didn't. In my case, I really wasn't having all that much "fun" installing other modifications, since none of them really satisfied me because I wanted more of a noticeable acceleration increase than any of the leser mods yielded. So I was really frustrated and disappointed with the other modifications with the exception of the Kooks headers & exhaust package since that made the car sound so good.

The Trilogy supercharger kit was the only mod that I installed on my car that I didn't have to go to the track to know that the car was alot faster. I knew it the second I stepped on the gas pedal on the street. ofcourse eventually i did go to the drag strip a number of times just to see where in the 12 second bracket my car would be in, but there was absolutely no guessing about whehther or not the car was really faster or not when I first drove it on the street like there was with all of those other mods I did to it. The difference in acceleration from 1 MPH all the way up to 120 MPH was dramatic!!!

tmac1337

05-03-2005, 10:14 AM

In my case, I really wasn't having all that much "fun" installing other modifications, since none of them really satisfied me because I wanted more of a noticeable acceleration increase than any of the leser mods yielded.

I agree, doing mods to the car will just accentuate it some, but will not deliver a lot of HP and TQ. The PI 3000 Stall makes my car run great and fully accentuates the feel of my car but will not impact HP numbers significantly. My car was fully modded and had around 280 RWHP after all the money I spent on it. The Procharger increased my RWHP by 182. Cobra25 has the same mods on his car that I do on mine and came to the same conclusion after his Trilogy install, "it is the blower that counts!"

I still like the mods I have because they have changed the entire feel of my car for the better compared to stock, but for power look elseware.

If an owner wants a substantial increase in HP and TQ then a blower is the only answer.

BillyGman

05-03-2005, 10:54 AM

Which Supercharger? PEAK HP #'s aren't the only thing that's important. They're only part of the story. It's low-end and midrange power that propels a car down the track. especially a heavy car like the Marauder is. Look at the quote from the magazine below(BTW, don't blame me for starting another supercharger war, because it was MAC who started this by posting PEAK HP #'s without showing dyno graphs which would show what the entire TORQUE and HP curve is:

<HR style="COLOR: #dddddd" SIZE=1>For the sake of those who are unknowledgeable about high performance engines and about S/Cing in general, who might also be considering the possibility of S/Cing their cars, if I were you, I wouldn't merely pay attention to any vendor's claims, nor to any vendor's customer's claims w/out regard to sources that are neutral on this topic. And that's why I decided to purchase and read three books on the subject of Supercharging STREET cars before I made my choice. The best book that I can recommend to people on this topic is titled "Supercharged!" written by Corky Bell.

And for another UNBIASED viewpoint on supercharging your STREET vehicle allow me to also suggest the article in a car magazine such as the one that's been posted in a "sticky" thread by one of the moderators of this board. And infact here is the conclusion that the magazine article draws, and this is a direct quote about how the choice of S/Cers was summed-up by that article. Look at what it says concerning different S/Cers in different vehicles:

"Today there is a huge number of blower kits available to Mustang and Lightning owners. The choices can be overwhelming, but we've found that picking the right blower requires nothing more than a little research on your part. The key to finding the best one for your combination is to select a unit that can supply the most efficient level of boost in the rpm range that you're building your engine for. In addition, consider the combination as a whole. For instance, heavier vehicles need more torque than lighter ones do and that's why the Eaton, Magnum Powers or Kenne Bell is the best choice for a 4,500-pound Lightning. But a Paxton, Powerdyne, Procharger, or Vortech may be the way to go for your 3,000-pound LX".

Let me remind you that the above words are NOT my words, they're the words of "MUSCLE MUSTANGS & FAST FORDS" magazine.
__________________

Rider90

05-03-2005, 10:59 AM

Maybe we could get a group sell!?
How about right arms?
Bradley G

I gotta have my right arm :lol:
Maybe I can sell my liver and replace it with a motorcraft paper filter...

BillyGman

05-03-2005, 11:05 AM

I gotta have my right arm :lol:
Maybe I can sell my liver and replace it with a motorcraft paper filter...Or maybe you could just be satisfied with your good looking and slow car that can be outgunned by a 300C, a Vokswagan GTI, and also by a number of Cadillacs. :baaa: :baaa: :baaa: :rofl::jk:

Rider90

05-03-2005, 11:07 AM

Or maybe you could just be satisfied with your good looking and slow car that can be outgunned by a 300C, a Vokswagan GTI, and also by a number od Cadillacs. :baaa: :baaa: :baaa: :rofl:
That's not very nice...http://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/pokeeye.gif

BillyGman

05-03-2005, 11:09 AM

That's not very nice...http://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/pokeeye.gifNiether was your happy face.....join the club.

BillyGman

05-03-2005, 11:13 AM

I was just ribbing you alittle Rider90. Don't take offense. it's only a car dude. As intense as many of us get about this passion, there are more important things than superchargers and cars. But as far as this thread goes, it seems that nobody can start a Trilogy thread (whether it's in the Trilogy forum or not) without certain adversaries jumping in to attempt to dispute and discredit Trilogy's product in some way. I guess Trilogy must be the one to beat. :D

SergntMac

05-03-2005, 11:22 AM

The PI 3000 Stall makes my car run great and fully accentuates the feel of my car but will not impact HP numbers significantly. My car was fully modded and had around 280 RWHP after all the money I spent on it.
This comment caused me to recall my first MM again. I did the "before and after" dyno stuff when I tested the 3000 stall PI, and I got single digit changes. However, I shaved .5 off my ET, so, folks should remember that not all mods show true performance on a dyno, it's just one of many forms of performance testing.

Which Supercharger? (BTW, don't blame me for starting another supercharger war, because it was MAC who started this by posting PEAK HP #'s without showing dyno graphs which would show what the entire TORQUE and HP curve is:

Calm down, BILLY, I wasn't starting any "war." The numbers I posted are RW performance numbers from product vendors, and YOU. They have been posted here time and time again, without any mention of "peak" or how it figures in this this discussion. I haven't seen anyone disagree with those numbers, and it's not upon me to prove anything. You're free to disagree with the published truth, but be warned, they may be conservative numbers, many of us are getting much more. I simply meant to express thanks for having so many choices, kindly note I did not mention Kenny Brown, because he doesn't sell kits. If anyone wants to start another war, you just have. Thanks from all of us, it was nice to have a civil disccussion while we could.

BTW, please point out where I (or anyone) attempted to discredit Trilogy? I'd like to apologize if it's called for. I happen to think the Trilogy kit is an outstanding value, and if I ever build another Marauder, I may go that route. Remember, I didn't get to make a choice, I bought a whole car already built, and the only supercharged Marauder in existence at that time. Sometimes, you're just too much, BILLY.

BillyGman

05-03-2005, 11:28 AM

That was a nice try at diversion MAC. But this thread was started about one particular supercharger kit, and there you were posting comparisant #'s for all three kits to show that Trilogy's PEAK numbers are the lowest of the three. ofcourse the fact that you have a centrifugal supercharger on your car has absolutley nothing to do with your "Innocent" PEAK HP comparisants, right? Come on...get real......why can't you just tell it like it is for once? Talk about mind games....you bated us Trilogy customers, and I took the bate, and told it like it is, and now you come back with the innocent routine. How weak. Welcome to the drama club ladies & gentlemen.

RF Overlord

05-03-2005, 02:24 PM

Gentlemen:

I'll say it before Logan does:

"ENOUGH!"

Please do NOT make this the first thread I've ever closed personally...

blackf0rk

05-03-2005, 03:11 PM

I'm sorry I started this. I'm just interested in the Trilogy kit because it fits my needs. Seems to me, no matter what kit you have you're going to do some serious whomping. :)

Todd

05-03-2005, 05:41 PM

I'm sorry I started this. I'm just interested in the Trilogy kit because it fits my needs. Seems to me, no matter what kit you have you're going to do some serious whomping. :)

Amen.... Just enjoy the boost man..... Enjoy the boost!

Bradley G

05-03-2005, 06:13 PM

blackf0rk

05-03-2005, 06:39 PM

I would love to see a compaison on a dyno all three S/c Kits offered and maybe the Turbo that David Morton posted,All on the same dyno graph mapped in different colors.This way you can see where each product comes into power.And when the power drops off.

Then real testing in 1/4 mi. with no other mods. Just a chart,no one looses an eye.;) (or vital limbs/organs)
Bradley G
LOL yea, and it'll turn out that what the one kit lacks to the others it makes up for it somewhere else.

"How come there's only one line? I thought we were testing 4 system here."
"There are 4 systems on the graph, sir."
"Oh..."

:rolleyes:

SergntMac

05-03-2005, 06:58 PM

I'm sorry I started this. I'm just interested in the Trilogy kit because it fits my needs. Seems to me, no matter what kit you have you're going to do some serious whomping. :)
No reason for you to apologize. Please feel free to post any question or comment on your mind, and do not let this outburst inhibit your desire to post. You made your decision and as long as you took advantage of all the 411 available, it was a good choice. Supercharging the Marauder rocks, and it's good for all of us that so many choices are available today.

I would love to see a compaison on a dyno all three S/c Kits offered and maybe the Turbo that David Morton posted,All on the same dyno graph mapped in different colors.This way you can see where each product comes into power.And when the power drops off.

Then real testing in 1/4 mi. with no other mods. Bradley G
Ummm...Maybe when the turbo matures? Until then, there is sufficient data already published on this topic. Even if printed on the same page, some folks will still disagree. Remember that many of these cars have already run side by side at MV-II, and will run side by side again at MV-III. Despite the weather that seemed to have slowed performance, the heads-up racing was fair and square because the weather affected all of them. Open a thread and ask, those who went will respond withn their 411. Better yet, go watch?

IMHO, this is a stupid argument to begin with, and always has been. Some folks are predisposed to believe you are critical when not, can't post a compliment without someone claiming you're mocking them. Nonetheless, there's not one word of disrespect posted in this thread, towards any product, or, vendor of said product, it's the people reading it who misunderstand. Like I said, show me where I have been disrespctful and I will apologize.

tmac1337

05-03-2005, 07:22 PM

A growing number of people, myself included, are finally now cross driving the Supercharger Kits and know the real deal.

Both kits I have driven are excellent so to say one is drastically better than the other is complete bull-tickey. More Procharge kits are currently being shipped, which means more people will be able to cross drive also.

I have no idea what the new owners will be saying, but I can imagine. I hope they let a lot of people drive their cars, but, oh wait, we'll all be just full of S--T!

blackf0rk

05-03-2005, 07:49 PM

I think a lot of it has to deal with a persons sense of pride to the maker of their kit, which is to be totally expected. I count it a great privlege to see that there are at least, possibly 4 now kits that will be producing quality products where people will feel obligated to show pride in their manufacturer. That says a lot.

merc

05-03-2005, 07:53 PM

Amen.... Just enjoy the boost man..... Enjoy the boost!
I get boost everyday from my vendor Bush Brothers & Company in Knoxville Tennessee (Baked Beans, 98 Fat free, high in fiber).

In the old days before the dyno, we lined up on the interstate at night and raced to a designated spot. You put your money and your car on the line and let it all hang out. Fights broke out and arrests were made, but there was no dispute about who had the best engine and car. Dyno sheets are meaningless, bring the hooptie to the track and stop all the Supercharger wars. I thought there was a tread about this challenge.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16798&page=9&pp=15&highlight=supercharger+challen ge
:eek:

Sorry, I know Bush Brother & Company is not a supporting Vendor on this site.

Bradley G

05-04-2005, 05:48 AM

Ummm...Maybe when the turbo matures? Until then, there is sufficient data already published on this topic. Even if printed on the same page, some folks will still disagree. Remember that many of these cars have already run side by side at MV-II, and will run side by side again at MV-III. Despite the weather that seemed to have slowed performance, the heads-up racing was fair and square because the weather affected all of them. Open a thread and ask, those who went will respond withn their 411. Better yet, go watch?(quote)

If you have seen all of the choices on one graph no other mods please show us Mac.(except the turbo)I'm not all that concerned with "everyone",
I guess I am selfish in that regard.
I was at MVII and saw heads up racing,those cars were heavily modified past the "kit level"
As always, you have sound advise Mac, I will and always have taken it.
Bradley G

stevengerard

05-04-2005, 06:03 AM

to me "no other mods" then a blower is kind of a silly statement. That's one huge mod anyway - its not like one is saying "its just a great tune and I got the most out of the car one can with nothing else". I've said it once in this forum I'll say it again. I've driven many of the options available and no one would complain about any of the S/Cers. The one Trilogy car I was fortunate enough to drive was Trilogy 1 which I was told had no other mods. So with first hand experience I will tell you that no other mods are necessary to have fun.

But as HP and TQ is increasing and times decreasing on this forum there will be an increase in the desire to mod past the blower. For those who don't, like Bigslim, that's great. He put down some big bucks and he is done. But there are many like me that no matter what kit I got I'd be adding to - to a point. Like Dennis and Lidio have said many times (as well as others) these are really daily drivers that we are pushing to the limits, some of us just have a greater threshold for what we are wiling to do.

Some folks prefer a well tuned Rochester carb others perfer Holley's. I never see this much pissing on those topices then here on superchargers

Bradley G

05-04-2005, 06:07 AM

So I guess your answer is, no!?:D

Bradley G

to me "no other mods" then a blower is kind of a silly statement. That's one huge mod anyway - its not like one is saying "its just a great tune and I got the most out of the car one can with nothing else". I've said it once in this forum I'll say it again. I've driven many of the options available and no one would complain about any of the S/Cers. The one Trilogy car I was fortunate enough to drive was Trilogy 1 which I was told had no other mods. So with first hand experience I will tell you that no other mods are necessary to have fun.

But as HP and TQ is increasing and times decreasing on this forum there will be an increase in the desire to mod past the blower. For those who don't, like Bigslim, that's great. He put down some big bucks and he is done. But there are many like me that no matter what kit I got I'd be adding to - to a point. Like Dennis and Lidio have said many times (as well as others) these are really daily drivers that we are pushing to the limits, some of us just have a greater threshold for what we are wiling to do.

Some folks prefer a well tuned Rochester carb others perfer Holley's. I never see this much pissing on those topices then here on superchargers

BillyGman

05-04-2005, 10:42 AM

Some folks prefer a well tuned Rochester carb others perfer Holley's. I never see this much pissing on those topices then here on superchargersWell, that's an oversimplification, since carbs don't create as much of a power increase as superchargers do, nor do they cost as much as superchargers, and therefore don't provoke as much attention nor as many questions as supercharger kits do.;)

BTW, when it comes to Marauder owners with Trilogy superchargers that haven't any other modifications done to their cars, don't forget that in addition to "Bigslim", there's also "Tallboy", and I believe that "04Mema" has only the Trilogy kit on his car with nothing else. However, keep in mind that modifications such as rear end gear changes and higher stall speeds will not change HP and Torque figures even though they do increase acceleration.