89 Octane??

[Marauderjack]

I have wondered recently if the 93 octane SCT program might be OK with 89 octane fuel using my fuel additive?? :confused:

Yesterday I ran the tank below the warning light level and put 8 gallons of 89 octane in with the proper amount of additive. I have not beat on it but it has not detonated yet and I am wondering if the 93 octane plus my additive was causing the WOT "Bog" I have had for some time?? :(

It is going to be cool here today and I'll try some harder acceleration to see what happens?? :confused: If it knocks I will simply add 8 gallons of 93 and end this test....If not I will see about performance/mileage with 89 octane next week....BTW, my current best is 26.1 MPG at 75-80 MPH with 93 octane fuel!! :bows:

Stay Tuned!! :beer:

Maruaderjack :bandit:

[MM03MOK]

What fuel additive are you adding? Personally, I wouldn't mess with any additives.

[jstevens]

I agree, I wouldn't mess with my car. After all, its an expensive vehicle to play with the octane.

[Bradley G]

:eek: :nono: :down:

Bradley G

[Marauderjack]

I am selling a solid additive (pill form) to a Harley Davidson Performance shop and the results have been astounding!! The killer for air cooled high compression engines is detonation!! :( We have sold thousands of "doses" to VERY PICKY Harley guys with outstanding results!! :bows: They claim...and we can prove...more HP, smoother operation, protection from valve seat wear, eliminates carbon buildup (more compression) and NO SPARK KNOCK!!! :beer:

I have used it in my MM for 3 months now since nobody saw any benefit from my liquid additive and it is much better than the liquid but a bit more expensive!!?? :confused:

My manufacturer has been selling it for years with outstanding results and now with fuel (gas & diesel) over $2.00 a gallon the savings alone is very well worth it!! :banana:

Marauderjack :D

[Bradley G]

Hey Marauderjack,
Please explain How it saves money?
Bradley G

[twolow]

I added up the cents difference in 89 and 92/93 here and if I filled up on 89 I would save maybe $2.40. Is this really worth it?

Any additive I've seen, liquid or pill, costs more than $2.40 with tax.

Filling up on 87 would save me $3.68. Thats not anything. Is $4 worth the chance?

I'd rather just quit ordering 'biggie sizes' at the drive thru if I was hurting that bad for money.

[Bradley G]

I have been a victim of Starbucks,:P

If you told me a while ago, I would buy a 30+ thousand dollar automobile and give four dollars for a Vente Lattie Moca frothy, I would not believe you!:o
Bradley G

[jgc61sr2002]

I also agree with the others posted above, IMO I wouldn't use any additives to boost octaine. In the long run I think it will be less expensive to use 93 octaine.

[Bluerauder]

I agree, I wouldn't mess with my car. After all, its an expensive vehicle to play with the octane.
Saving 20 cents per gallon just ain't worth the risk to your high performance engine. At $3.40 max per fill-up & 2 tank fulls per week, you are looking at only $353.60 per year for about twice as many miles (35K) as a typical driver.

You gotta ask yourself one question .... "Is $150-200 per year worth the risk of a blown engine or serious damage" ?? Well, do you feel Lucky?? :dunno: That is way too risky for me !! :rolleyes:

[Marauderjack]

It costs $.04 per gallon and it will probably work on 87 octane as well?? :confused:

How many of you have bought 93 octane that wasn't 93 octane?? I originally used it because my car was knocking with 93 octane....They called it "Tip In" knocking.....My product stopped it completely!! :bows: :bows:

HD 12:1 compression motors are running fine on 93 octane with no detonation using this additive!! :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to sell any of you guys on anything and don't care what your opinions are......actually mine have been the same in the past but chemical technology has changed my way of thinking!! :beer:

I worked with Nalco Chemical in the 80's on a key cetane improver for diesel fuel that is still used today....another additive.

What if one of you inadvertantly pumped a tank full of 87 octane and for protection you could add a small amount of material to prevent any damage to your engine...would that be worthwhile?? :confused:

BTW....$300 to $500 savings per year is worthwhile to me if it is safe, proven and keeps me from giving it to the damn Middle East oil producers!! :argue:

Marauderjack :D

PS: I ran it pretty hard today and absolutely no knocking using 89 octane fuel with the SCT 93 octane tune??

[twolow]

What if one of you inadvertantly pumped a tank full of 87 octane and for protection you could add a small amount of material to prevent any damage to your engine...would that be worthwhile?? :confused:
I may consider buying a 'pill' to keep in the glove box for the time when I make the mistake and pump in 87, otherwise I'll find other ways to cheat life.

[Marauderjack]

Hey Ryan....Windex is the REAL answer!!

Marauderjack :bows: :beer: :banana:

[MENINBLK]

It costs $.04 per gallon and it will probably work on 87 octane as well?? :confused:

How many of you have bought 93 octane that wasn't 93 octane?? I originally used it because my car was knocking with 93 octane....They called it "Tip In" knocking.....My product stopped it completely!! :bows: :bows:

HD 12:1 compression motors are running fine on 93 octane with no detonation using this additive!! :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to sell any of you guys on anything and don't care what your opinions are......actually mine have been the same in the past but chemical technology has changed my way of thinking!! :beer:

I worked with Nalco Chemical in the 80's on a key cetane improver for diesel fuel that is still used today....another additive.

What if one of you inadvertantly pumped a tank full of 87 octane and for protection you could add a small amount of material to prevent any damage to your engine...would that be worthwhile?? :confused:

BTW....$300 to $500 savings per year is worthwhile to me if it is safe, proven and keeps me from giving it to the damn Middle East oil producers!! :argue:

Marauderjack :D

PS: I ran it pretty hard today and absolutely no knocking using 89 octane fuel with the SCT 93 octane tune??

If you buy fuel that does not have methanol or ethanol added,
you won't get the tip in detonation.
I have learned this the hard way,and I have stopped buying
CITGO And HESS fuel because of it.
Sunoco seems to be fine with no detonation at all in either 93 or ULTRA 94 octane.
I will be trying SHELL fuel next, if I can find it for a reasonable amount.

Both Sunoco and Shell DO NOT import any Persian Crude...

The amount of additive you are using only increases your octane a point or 1/10th the octane rating.
You would need TEN TIMES the additive to increase your octane a full digit.
This is the scale used, and it is printed on every bottle of additive.
So if a $2 additive raises you from 87 to 87.1,
$20 of the same additive would raise you from 87 to 88.
I'd rather spend the $20 in 93 Octane Non-Ethanol fuel...

[Bluerauder]

I have wondered recently if the 93 octane SCT program might be OK with 89 octane fuel using my fuel additive?? :confused:

I'm not trying to sell any of you guys on anything and don't care what your opinions are......
Sorry, I mistook your question as looking for input and opinions. :rolleyes:

[rocknrod]

I have only one thing to say. "Closed Loop" Fuel Injection System. . . . .

[Marauderjack]

MENINBLK....

Our product will raise 87 octane to 89+....20-22 points on your scale for $1.00 per 24 gallons!! :beer:

I am not here to get into a pi$$ing match with you guys.....If you would like to listen I will give you my results....If not then I have nothing more to say about it except I decided to experiment with it and was pleasantly surprised!! :bows:

This product was developed for countries less fortunate than we are where gas is typically less than 85 octane and our product does work on our "higher quality" fuels as well!!

I am working on another project that may significantly reduce our dependence on petroleum fuels period!! :cool4:

Marauderjack :beer:

[Bradley G]

I am trying to comprehend where the savings are.

Based on your statements, somthing does not add up.
If you saved two dollars per tank the difference between fuel costs 87 to 93,minus the cost of the pellets, about a dollar per tank.
It would take nearly 300+ tankfuls a year, to save the three hundred bucks.
And it was stated that the additive "might" boost octane from 87 to 93.
I fill up about once a week,based on your claim the most I would save is $50.00 per year .
This doesn't seem worth the risk.
Excuse me!, "I have 2 P" :D :jk:
Bradley G

[Marauderjack]

EXPERIMENT......KEY WORD HERE (with respect to my car)!!!!

We are on the way to $5.00 a gallon fuels and some of us buy 2 or more tanks of fuel per week!! There have been times in years past that I bought 3 or more tanks a week (455 Olds Delta 88) :help:

The major portion of our sales are for diesel trucks and they frequently burn 100 gallons or more per day so a few gallons per day saving to them WILL add up. :bows:

Our ultimate goal is to become fossil fuel free and it will not happen in our lifetimes but it WILL happen!!! :banana: This is just a step in that direction guys.

Also, a byproduct of using our fuel product is greatly reduced emissions but most folks don't give a "Tinker's Damn" about that and WILL NOT buy a product for reducing emissions unless they cannot pass state testing!! :cr:

I have a guy in AZ who will pass his state emissions test using only my product!! ;)

BTW, there are "Push Boats" on the Mississippi that burn over 1000 gallons per day and one barge company has over 100 of them....10% savings or more really means something now!!! :bows:

Our cars collectively won't use as much fuel in a year as the airline industry does in ONE DAY!! We have to make progress toward reducing demand without sacrificing comfort and performance!!! :nono:

If you "Specialty Car" owners cannot understand this then I have no more to say!! :censor:

You may close this thread Logan....It is going nowhere!!

Marauderjack :(

[Bradley G]

I do appreciate your info Marauderjack.But when you state certain facts that don't add up, (by the math)you change the subject to tug boats and diesel engines.

No one here infered your poduct does not work.They expressed they are not willing to take risks damageing thier engine for the insignificant savings.
I am all in favor of R&D of alternative fossil fuels and reduced emmisions,but you are getting:mad2: cause your claims don't add up concerning our Marauders.:confused:
Now you request the thread be closed, cause no one else can see any conciderable benefit either.
Or if they do,they don't seem to be willing to take risks for such a small return.
Can you see where I am comming from?just trying to understand your point:stupid: (not you MJ)
Bradley G

[Marauderjack]

OK....

I am getting about 4 MPG more with the additive and 93 octane fuel....My thinking is that 89 octane MAY get a bit more??

4 MPG x 19 gallons = 76 more miles per tank or about 3 gallons saved per tank!!

3 gallons x $2.25 per gallon = $6.75 minus the $1.00 for my additive = $5.75 per tank full savings!!

Now using 89 octane I save about $.10 a gallon or another $1.90....sooooo.....$5.75 + $1.90 = $7.65 per tank which to me seems to be cost effective?? :confused:

It ain't gonna change my life style but why throw it away?? :down:

Marauderjack :D

[Bradley G]

Well I stand corrected:o .

If I got an xtra 75 miles on a tank, for a buck or so I'm starting to listen closer.
I have had from time to time a slight ping using (by the pump markings)93.I have noticed this when the car is hot and full of passengers and I'm pedal happy.
Even if your pelets curbed this symptom,I feel it is worth the trouble of boosting octane.
I am in the process of adressing that with Lidio right now.(sent him my SCT9100 to pull a couple points of timing)
I can see the additive as a benefit for long trips too,cause in some places(desert) it is a long way between fuel stations.
And the poor guys on the west coast get the crapola-gas.
Thank you for your repost MJ, cause I was not comprehending what you were comming from!:thanks: If I came across as ingrate, I am sorry :bows:
I would consider trying this,where is it sold?
Bradley G

OK....

I am getting about 4 MPG more with the additive and 93 octane fuel....My thinking is that 89 octane MAY get a bit more??

4 MPG x 19 gallons = 76 more miles per tank or about 3 gallons saved per tank!!

3 gallons x $2.25 per gallon = $6.75 minus the $1.00 for my additive = $5.75 per tank full savings!!

Now using 89 octane I save about $.10 a gallon or another $1.90....sooooo.....$5.75 + $1.90 = $7.65 per tank which to me seems to be cost effective?? :confused:

It ain't gonna change my life style but why throw it away?? :down:

Marauderjack :D

[Shaft333]

OK....

I am getting about 4 MPG more with the additive and 93 octane fuel....My thinking is that 89 octane MAY get a bit more??

4 MPG x 19 gallons = 76 more miles per tank or about 3 gallons saved per tank!!

3 gallons x $2.25 per gallon = $6.75 minus the $1.00 for my additive = $5.75 per tank full savings!!

Now using 89 octane I save about $.10 a gallon or another $1.90....sooooo.....$5.75 + $1.90 = $7.65 per tank which to me seems to be cost effective?? :confused:

It ain't gonna change my life style but why throw it away?? :down:

Marauderjack :D
Yeah but who drains their tank down to completely empty. :D:D:D -I'm just being a jackarse, dont take this as any argument on your claims. -

[DirtyDog]

Marauderjack, I'm enjoying the information.

[tbiondich]

Speeking of fuel, Does anyone else store their MM with a full tank? I get a spot of gas on the garage floor near the left rear quarter. Is there a vent in this area? I assume it's the temp change to a hot day and maybe I should not top it off so full. TIA.....Tim

[Bradley G]

Might want to post up a new thread, you may get more help from the populous.

Speeking of fuel, Does anyone else store their MM with a full tank? I get a spot of gas on the garage floor near the left rear quarter. Is there a vent in this area? I assume it's the temp change to a hot day and maybe I should not top it off so full. TIA.....Tim

[Breadfan]

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