Part numbers needed...

[Bowman9]

Can anyone pleas tell me the correct part numbers for the Addco front and rear swaybars fo the 03/04 Marauder.

[Bowman9]

I have been reading a couple of the other post on swaybars and became confused :help:

What are the pro's and con's of the rear swaybar.

And what are the pro's and con's of the front swaybar.

I will be doing normal driving for the most part.
Also if you have the part numbers please post them.

Thanks

[BillyGman]

Why don't you just call Addco directly when you're ready to order, or if you have questions? 800-621-8916 and the link to their website is below....

http://www.addco.net/index.htm

[RF Overlord]

I don't have the upgraded front sway bar, so I can't help there, but the rear bar is an Addco #650.

The primary reason for increasing the diameter of the rear bar is to increase oversteer and to reduce body lean. If you are doing "normal driving", upping the rear sway bar alone will produce the biggest handling improvement for the money, and it's an easy mod, needing only simple hand tools. If your driving style is more "spirited", then also increasing the front sway bar diameter will further flatten the handling.

[BillyGman]

also, the one drawback to bigger sway bars is that while driving over bumps that only engage one wheel or one side of the car, it will not take them as smooth, and will be a bit more harsh on ride quality. so that's trade-off. however, it won't effect the ride quality while traveling over bumps which engage both sides of the car (ie both the left and right tires). one other possible drawback is that going with a thicker sway bar (atleast in the front) can effect your launches at the dragstrip in a negative way since the weight transfer to the rear wheels during the launch off of the starting line might be decreased. this is what I've heard anyway. I cannot confirm that via my own expoerience since I have stayed with the factory stock suspension on my Marauder.

[RoyLPita]

Another trade off is that the oil filter is difficult to remove from the underside with the thicker bar. (I changed oil in a member's car with the new filter drain. Getting the oil filter out of car was the only mess that I made.)

[SergntMac]

one other possible drawback is that going with a thicker sway bar (atleast in the front) can effect your launches at the dragstrip in a negative way since the weight transfer to the rear wheels during the launch off of the starting line might be decreased.The Marauder is too long for effective weight transfer. Best way to launch a heavy car is to keep it as flat, and as close to the ground as possible.

[BillyGman]

The Marauder is too long for effective weight transfer. Best way to launch a heavy car is to keep it as flat, and as close to the ground as possible.I don't agree. if that were true, then it wouldn't matter if our cars were FWD or RWD when it comes to drag racing. With the gears I'm running coupled with the Trilogy/roots supercharger, there have been times when the body of the car in the front lifts up quite a bit. so much so that part of my view of the track was literally blocked by the hood, and it yielded 1.6 second 60' times as well as a 330' time of 4.90 seconds.

[rocknrod]

Why don't you just call Addco directly when you're ready to order, or if you have questions? 800-621-8916 and the link to their website is below....
http://www.addco.net/index.htmI just clicked on the link provided and came up with:
Front = 02196
Rear = 650
Front......................... .............................. .............................. .... Rear
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[SergntMac]

I don't agree. if that were true, then it wouldn't matter if our cars were FWD or RWD when it comes to drag racing. With the gears I'm running coupled with the Trilogy/roots supercharger, there have been times when the body of the car in the front lifts up quite a bit. so much so that part of my view of the track was literally blocked by the hood, and it yielded 1.6 second 60' times as well as a 330' time of 4.90 seconds.Actually, it doesn't matter one bit where the drive tires are located, they could push or pull. We may not like them, but get a clue from the ricers, there are some pretty damn fast pocket rockets out there, and they are FWD! What's important is traction, imagine what your numbers could be if you didn't waste all that energy lifting the nose so much that part of your view of the track gets literally blocked by the hood.

Are you implying that you popped a wheelie? 'Cmon now...The only way a Marauder hood will ever block anyone's vision, is with a broken latch. If anyone can get close to this achievement, it will be the one Legal Knevil, surely not your Marauder with a stock Trilogy kit.

[BillyGman]

Are you implying that you popped a wheelie? 'Cmon now...The only way a Marauder hood will ever block anyone's vision, is with a broken latch. If anyone can get close to this achievement, it will be the one Legal Knevil, surely not your Marauder with a stock Trilogy kit.There you go again arguing with me about things that you don't have any experience with. You've never had 4.56 gears in your Marauder, nor have you had a roots supercharger either. Couple those two things with a 3,000 RPM stall speed like I have and some good drag radial tires (which you don't have either) on a 50 degree day, and you'll get the body of that Marauder of yours lifting up quite a bit. I didn't say that I got the wheels off the ground, but I think that I've come real close on two different runs.

So please don't start yet another argument with me, uh? Is this becoming your past time? Need I remind you of the time when you and two of your buddies on here blasted me for installing 4.56 gears in my car, and that how you stated that it would actually make my car slower in the quartermile than the Marauders that have 4.10 gears? And shortly after that I beat my buddy Marty's times all day long at the track in NewJersey when the two of us went there. And then you had to come back on here and congratulate me, despite the fact that you had previously blasted me and said that I "should've asked" you and some others before installing 4.56 gears in MY Marauder. :rolleyes: Please stop arguing with me about things you don't know about. Specifically about MY car which I DO know about.

And BTW, FWD cars get poor traction off the line. Whenever they're making some respectable power, they have to resort to things like fake wheelie bars which actually keep the weight from transfering to the back of the cars, because when it does, their front tires just spin. I've raced guys with FWD cars plenty of times before, and they have a greater traction problem than RWD cars do as soon as they start making some good Low-end torque. So for you to say that it doesn't make any difference which end of the car has the wheels with thepower going to them during a drag race is just plain wrong unless you're speaking of some pretty mild cars that aren't making a whole lot of power, and are running in the 14's or 15 second brackets, and therefore aren't going to have any traction issues on the drag strip either way.

But as for cars in the 13 second, the 12 second bracket and faster, it makes a world of difference.

[SergntMac]

There you go again arguing with me about things that you don't have any experience with. You've never had 4.56 gears in your Marauder, nor have you had a roots supercharger either. Couple those two things with a 3,000 RPM stall speed like I have and some good drag radial tires (which you don't have either) on a 50 degree day, and you'll get the body of that Marauder of yours lifting up quite a bit. I didn't say that I got the wheels off the ground, but I think that I've come real close on two different runs.I'm not here to argue BILLY, but I will post my opinion. You're right, I don't have much Trilogy experience, I don't think anyone in the Chicagoland area owns a Trilogy, or, I would be more familiar. Neither do I have 4:56 gears, however, I don't need any of that to calculate the dynamics involved here. As you said earlier, you also have stock OEM front suspension, and a stock Trilogy tune, and if you wish to believe that you're "real close" to pulling the front wheels off the ground with Nitto drag radials (tires you can spin at will, as stated in threads on traction), well, good for you, BILLY. I've always admired your extravagant reach for detail to make your point, but this is truely reaching and the physics do not support your position. I'll leave this alone, others can comment from here. Keep us posted on developments, and please don't come down in the other lane?

And BTW, FWD cars get poor traction off the line. Whenever they're making some respectable power, they have to resort to things like fake wheelie bars which actually keep the weight from transfering to the back of the cars, because when it does, their front tires just spin. I've raced guys with FWD cars plenty of times before, and they have a greater traction problem than RWD cars do as soon as they start making some good Low-end torque. So for you to say that it doesn't make any difference which end of the car has the wheels with thepower going to them during a drag race is just plain wrong unless you're speaking of some pretty mild cars that aren't making a whole lot of power, and are running in the 14's or 15 second brackets, and therefore aren't going to have any traction issues on the drag strip either way. But as for cars in the 13 second, the 12 second bracket and faster, it makes a world of difference.You lost me here, BILLY, I'm not getting your logic. But, it doesn't seem to matter, the issue is really rather simple. Better traction = faster car, lower times, more wins, period. FWD, or, RWD, the elements of science don't change, and I don't really care if you agree BILLY, it's 411 for Bowman's question anyway.

On heavy RWD cars, loose front suspension will result in lifting the nose at the launch. If you like this look, remove your sway bar completely, hunt down some tired CV springs, and 90/10 shocks. You won't go any faster, or, dig in any better, but you'll look real cool in still photography. BTW, there a serious loss of performance, both in ET and power, in throwing your weight around at the launch. Remember too, that what swings in one direction, must swing back, and with heavy cars, any minute benefit of weight transfer is lost to weight management. BTW, when the car is smaller and lighter, the opposite is true. Mustangs benefit greatly from front end lift and weight transfer. It really helps the lighter back end dig in.

The MM is 212" long with a 114.7" wheelbase, that's much too long to realize any true benefit from a front to rear weight transfer. Any professional chassis builder will tell you that it would be more effective upon your purpose and intent, (as well as your wallet) to lock the car down like it runs on rails, minimize body roll and weight transfer, and get it closer to the ground.

The stock sway bar and bushings are good for all around use. If you like to hit the twisties and keep things on a budget, polyurethane bushing all around will sweeten the ride inexpensively. If you really like firm solid control, Addco bars front and rear will please you, and the secondary benefit will be improved 1/4 mile performance, once you tweak a clean flat launch.

Hope this helps, just my .02c

[BillyGman]

Bigger anti-sway bars are great for handling, and I never knocked them for that, but they won't help your ET's. If you think that they will then you should just stick to your hobby which is obviously circle track and roadrace courses.

[SergntMac]

Bigger anti-sway bars are great for handling, and I never knocked them for that, but they won't help your ET's. If you think that they will then you should just stick to your hobby which is obviously circle track and roadrace courses.Are you talking to me, BILLY? If so, you're dead wrong on the issue, and also wrong to think that drag racing doesn't interest me. I love all kids of racing, but drag race my MM more than any other competition driving. I don't "think" about this particular topic, BILLY, I know it. I also know that the only way you'll see your hood coming off the green, is to leave it open.

[martyo]

Hey, I have an idea here. Why not do some real world testing and less desk top racing. Say pull the front sway bar off and make some passes. Hmmmmm. wish I had thought of that. Oh yeah, I did. Watch fro some upcoming results when we get some other issues put to bed.

[SergntMac]

Hey, I have an idea here. Why not do some real world testing and less desk top racing. Say pull the front sway bar off and make some passes. Hmmmmm. wish I had thought of that. Oh yeah, I did. Watch fro some upcoming results when we get some other issues put to bed.Been done last year, while you were out. Or, do we need a yearly test now, like we need timeslips?

[BillyGman]

. I don't "think" about this particular topic, BILLY, I know it. I also know that the only way you'll see your hood coming off the green, is to leave it open.You don't know squat even though you try to come across as an expert just like you did in that "Drag radial" thread that you started where you didn't know what you were talking about, and two other board members here had to correct you twice. And here's the link below for everyone to click on so they can read it for themselves. So much for your great "expertise". :rolleyes:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17413

[SergntMac]

You don't know squat even though you try to come across as an expert just like you did in that "Drag radial" thread that you started where you didn't know what you were talking about, and two other board members here had to correct you twice. And here's the link below for everyone to click on so they can read it for themselves. So much for your great "expertise". :rolleyes:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17413Your opinion me is unimportant, I care not what you think. You post here with a personal agenda and when it doesn't go your way, you grow hostile, and engage in dirty tricks, as you have here. You do this to me, and to others, and I suppose it's why many do not engage you in exchange of thought. You have one purpose here, to hold me up to the membership and embarass me. Personally, I believe you could have done better, this isn't my worst moment here. But, this post says more about you, than me, and I have nothing to be ashamed of. I've heard people say what a nice guy you are, and I wonder if they met the twin.

Thank you BILLY, I'm not embarrassed by anything in this thread you post. In fact, I am kind of pleased you resurrected it, there is a lot of 411 in it about drag radials, that seem contradictory to a lot of what you say. It also has a nice photo essay of the joy of drag radials in the rain. If this thread makes me the board buffoon, so be it. But, I have never, ever attempted anything like you have here. Dude, you're just plain cold.

Keep looking BILLY, you'll find something I messed up real bad and you can take your shots then too, but if this is the way you handle disagreement, I do feel sorry for you.

[BillyGman]

You have one purpose here, to hold me up to the membership and embarass me.LOL!!!! This is amazingly hilarious that you would even think that you're that important that someone would be here for no other purpose than to embarrass you. Get real. This thread was started about something totally different than what it's now become, and that's thanks to you. You have a jekyl & hyde persona on here, and many of us veterans are well aware of why that is. But I won't get into that. If my goal on this board was to bash you then I would get into why that is, but it isn't.

Your patterns are just a little tiresome to me which is why I previously brought up how you bashed me a long time ago for choosing 4.56 gears, and how you repeatedly stated how "wrong" I was for choosing that gear ratio and that it would give my car such slow trap speeds in the quartermile that it would yield slower ET's than 4.10 gears would. back then you were arguing with me about something that you had no experience in, and you continue that same pattern today such as in statements about how the Nitto drag radials "wrap" around our 9.5" rims even though I tried to point out to you that they're going to wrap around the rims no matter what width they are just like the standard radial tires do since they're RADIAL tires and not slicks. You just never learn.

[nomad]

This was a thread about swaybars. You two REALLY need to take this offline.
Just my personal opinion. Carry on.
By the way, who makes the BEST supercharger? :help:

[White Knuckles]

This thread has sure gone south in a hurry. As someone who has religiously read this forum and gleaned alot of good info, I'm disappointed to see regular contributors turn on each other.
I believe this thread started as an inquiry about pro/cons in normal street driving and a request for part numbers.
I've added the Addco rear swaybar and do alot of runs through the twisties of N. GA. It has improved handling tremendously----but I am planning to also add front. A big heavy car like this is a sight to behold, running flat through the turns of the "Tail of the Dragon".
I purchased mine through Dennis Reinhart------give him a call.

[martyo]

Been done last year, while you were out. Or, do we need a yearly test now, like we need timeslips?

Well, I think it was done with the stock shocks which lack the adjustability of the QA-1s, so what does that count for exactly? Guess its like the timeslips written in crayon......

[rocknrod]

I don't see (posted pics) any timeslips. . . . :D
I saw Martyo's there.

[BillyGman]

Well, I think it was done with the stock shocks which lack the adjustability of the QA-1s, so what does that count for exactly? Guess its like the timeslips written in crayon......I guess some people just write their timeslips on coasters or matchbook covers. :toast:

[SergntMac]

This was a thread about swaybars. You two REALLY need to take this offline.
I apologize for your discomfort, but it's not my doing. Go back and read this thread from the top, you'll see what I mean. As you can see now, it's not just me and BILLY having a brief difference of opnion, which can happen from time to time. It's also not just the two of us. Others have joined in, as if they understand the sway bar topic at large, or, what's behind all this crap. Sorry to say that we burned up the e-mail, PM and telephone lines last year, some folks just can't move on. If you have any suggestions on how to work this out, I'm listening. Meanwhile, I can't control who replys to my posts, or, what they are willing to say, or, do to discredit my contributions. It's not my problem, all I can do sit back and watch it unfold.

[SergntMac]

I don't see (posted pics) any timeslips. . . . :D
I saw Martyo's there.
Actually, I think there is five out of 90 some entries, but don't let that "sway" your opnion. The timeslip database is in for repairs right now, it's affected by the upset in our gallery. Last count I took, was 30 some entries with timeslips hosted in the gallery, all that's visible right now, are the slips parked off site. Once our poll on the topic closes, I don't expect posting of imeslip to be required unless there is a dispute over accuracy. Please stand by?

[TAF]

A couple of things....

One.... it's nice to receive PMs like the following....


Todd,

Had to thank you again for the past advice and input on the suspension.

I have the Addco front and rear bars, the Metco Watts link, and control arms. And While I've enjoyed those immensely, I got used to them.

I had a chance to drive a bone stock Marauder, today.... oh my god. I thought the car was going to roll over! I guess I've been throwing the car into turns a lot faster than I realized! http://mercurymarauder.net/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif
makes me feel good....

Two....I was given a tour under our car (actually Legal Knevil) by Dick Anderson...founder of Carrera shocks (now owned by QA1) and Dick is world reknowned as a certified suspension expert....his take? They way the end linkage is set up on the Marauder...there will be no torsional advantage/effect to taking off the front sway-bar for supposed weight-transfer on launch....
I'll take his advice over mine, or anyone else's here.....
As well...ask Marty just how "squirrelly" his car got at the end of the track at 100+MPH without the front swaybar.....

and "C" ;) .....

I think timeslips should be manditory...otherwise you're just a "keyboard racer".....

[martyo]

and "C" ;) .....

I think timeslips should be manditory...otherwise you're just a "keyboard racer".....

Or crayon user. :rolleyes:

But, like Mac says he can't control what others post and neither can we, so we either use the "ignore" feature, read on, and/or reply. I long ago learned not to be too thin skinned when posting here.

What I still don't understand is why some members will pull their posts down leaving a thread that lacks any cohesiveness at all. :confused:

[SergntMac]

Very interesting contributions, gentlemen, thank you. It appears that when I said this myself, it caused some concern. Thanks for the back-up.

Again, there is no real "weight transfer" value to seek out here, and the best advice for any Marauder owner, is to retain the OEM front suspension as is, enhance that with poly bushings, or, replace the front sway bar with something thicker, which will tighten things up nicely. Low, flat and locked down is best, and now that we have the QA1 shock option, it's even better. Yes, thank you, Todd for digging them out for us.

If either of you thought I was saying otherwise, you lost track of the exchange.

The timeslip thingy is still open, place your votes, gents. What ever the membership desires will be the call of the day. I don't have any times posted, so, I can't see how this means anything to me. And, I don't understand why this keeps popping up here either, it has nothing to do with the suspension discussion. Could it be because it is good cammoflage? Just enough to throw folks off on who said what? Yeah, maybe...


What I still don't understand is why some members will pull their posts down leaving a thread that lacks any cohesiveness at all.Ummm...Did I miss something here?

[SergntMac]

You have a jekyl & hyde persona on here, and many of us veterans are well aware of why that is. But I won't get into that. If my goal on this board was to bash you then I would get into why that is, but it isn't.Okay BILLY, give it up. I'd like to know my own secret. What wild rumor will I hear this time? I think I've heard them all, please share a new one for my collection?

I've heard that I'm a drunk, which means what? Every MM meet I've been, someone has a can of beer in their hand, and they are passing one to me. If I drank all the beer folks here promise to buy me, I would be a drunk, so, if this makes me a drunk, must be more than one drunk here, eh? What do you think? I know I've been to a dozen MM meets, someone must have seen me drunk. Speak up y'all...

I've heard that I'm gay, that being 55, single, no kids and hanging out with a much younger guy, especially a handsome gentleman like Zack, well of course, we must be lovers. Doesn't say much for Zack's taste in lovers, does it? Y'all know there's no way to prove or disprove this, which is why it's such an easy and effective way to destroy a man's credibility. But, I say so what, what difference would it make if it were true? Y'all think there are no gay MM owners? Hehehe...

I've heard that I'm a thief, that I steal parts from other members here, or, buy their parts and don't pay them. That I'm a cheapskate, penny pincher, or deadbeat. I'd love to hear more on this, anyone got the skinny? Martin, you and I have done a lot of financial business together while we were friends, did I ever disappoint you? I've stepped up to help out fellow members here in their times of trouble, so, I don't know really where this got started, but again, if anyone has 411, I'd like to hear more, and I hope it's "timeslip" solid 411 too.

I've heard that I'm a crooked cop, or, not a cop at all. Whomever brought this up is really asleep at the wheel. I must be crooked, where else would I get the money to support a handsome lover who's quite demanding, and expensive. Yeah...That works, I gotta steal to support my gay but undercover lifestyle. All those secluded motel rooms add up ya know...

I've been accused of sending hate mail to our Jewish members, and all I can say is prove it, deliver the mail. If I've made any phone calls, mud records will prove it. If there is any truth to this at all, I suggest you take it to the police and prosecute. Anyone who has met me will know right from the start if I hold any bias towards anyone based on race, sex, or religious beliefs. I do hate liars, and BULLIES, can't take them for one second. But, beyond that, it's live and let live, and I try to get along with everyone I can. Some here do call me friend, does that surprize you, BILLY?

I miss anything BILLY? What's your rumor? Has it been covered already, or is it new? Either way, let's hear it, eh? It's Monday morning and I need a good laugh.

[SergntMac]

Your patterns are just a little tiresome to me which is why I previously brought up how you bashed me a long time ago for choosing 4.56 gears, and how you repeatedly stated how "wrong" I was for choosing that gear ratio and that it would give my car such slow trap speeds in the quartermile that it would yield slower ET's than 4.10 gears would. back then you were arguing with me about something that you had no experience in, and you continue that same pattern today such as in statements about how the Nitto drag radials "wrap" around our 9.5" rims even though I tried to point out to you that they're going to wrap around the rims no matter what width they are just like the standard radial tires do since they're RADIAL tires and not slicks. You just never learn.Yep, you're right again BILLY, let's take a peek at an example of my bashing you, and not having any experience with Marauders and 4:56 gears. Let's start here...BTW, was I Jeckyl, or, Hyde? I can't recall.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?p=88037&highlight=billy+gear#post88037

[Marauder386]

BillyG...Sergeant Mac...please stop this...we are dropping to the RiceBoy thread war behaviour...cease and desist please ? :cry:

:nono:

[SergntMac]

BillyG...Sergeant Mac...please stop this...we are dropping to the RiceBoy thread war behaviour...cease and desist please Sorry, but it needs air or it will continue and come back time after time, as it has so far. Tune out the thread if you can, the suspension stuff got settled anyway.

[fastblackmerc]

BillyG...Sergeant Mac...please stop this...we are dropping to the RiceBoy thread war behaviour...cease and desist please ? :cry:

:nono:
I agree. This is totally uncalled for. Just think, it all started with asking for swaybar part numbers.... maybe Logan can start a website just for these two... seems like they can go at it all day long.

[TooManyFords]

Or they could take it to SVTPerformance.com and finish it... Then Logan won't get pissed...

[Dennis Reinhart]

Can anyone pleas tell me the correct part numbers for the Addco front and rear swaybars fo the 03/04 Marauder.
I have them both in stock

[Dennis Reinhart]

Why don't you just call Addco directly when you're ready to order, or if you have questions? 800-621-8916 and the link to their website is below....

http://www.addco.net/index.htm
Billy there going to cost a lot more if you call ADDCO direct its far better to through a dealer.

[BillyGman]

Been done last year, while you were out. Or, do we need a yearly test now, like we need timeslips?MAC, you are absent minded enough or pretend enough to comment about how you don't know why "this subject keeps coming up" (timeslips) but as we can see from your post above, YOU were the one who has brought it up in this thread, as well as in another recent thread. You don't remember half of the things you write.Why is that?

And as far as the sway bar issue, what my friend Todd stated has nothing to do with my previous points, because Todd was talking about not running sweay bars at all on our cars, and I was stating that placing thicker sway bars on than we already have won't do anything for ET reductions. But think what you want about that, because I really don't care about that. I don't knock anyone for using bigger sway bars on their Marauders, but as for me, if I wanted a well handling car, I wouldn't have bought a 4,200 LB tank. but that's simply my preference.

And as for your post that you've dug up where you were congratulating me, read the whole thing. You see the part where you stated that I "stood my ground against the naysayers"??? Well the biggest "naysayer" was YOU!!! And you stated that I was wrong and that I should've asked you and others on this board before I went and installed 4.56 gears in MY car. But you pretended not to remember that by stating that "maybe" you were one of the "naysayers". You're either the most phony person around, or you didn't even remember writing that because that was mr. Hyde who was wasted out of his mind. And I believe that whole thread was deleted because of how ugly it got. The first day that I joined this board, I saw you ripping into Steve (aka "TTA") and I couldn't believe it. And you haven't changed since then.

[SergntMac]

Okay, feel better now? Or do we need to this again?

[BillyGman]

Okay, feel better now? Or do we need to this again?I sincerely hope that we don't MAC. I don't enjoy it. maybe we can BOTH learn from it.

[MERCMAN]

As the whole premise of this thread was a simple question about a part number, I think this thread has served its purpose. Mac and Billy-g,, How about sending each other e-mails instead of hi-jacking a simple thread? Lets try to stay on track with the members questions. We have newbies here who might be afraid to ask anything because of this :Offtopic: :bs:

The answer to the question is, call a vendor who is a dealer for the product and get a price. Then do a search using Google, or some other search engine and compare prices with the vendors quote in hand. Just remember, when you do that, our vendors have a reputation of good service to us on MM.net, and the old saw about you only get what you pay for applies here.