Attention Meziere Pump Owners...

[Donny Carlson]

I am one, and have great confidence in it. When I had it installed, at the same time I installed a digital coolant gauge, just in case things went wonky I would have an early warning when I saw temps rise unexpectedly or unusually.

I came across this new product today, and I'm thinking about getting it. I'll be consulting with my Tech about it, but for $100, this looks like a pretty decent monitor for electric water pump owners, especially those without an additional temp gauge:

http://www.autocontrolinc.com/watchdog.html

http://www.autocontrolinc.com/sitebuilder/images/Watchdog3-205x210.jpg

The single LED will show three warning colors, letting you know if the pump has lost power, stops drawing currunt, or has lost ground. There's an optional audible buzzer for another $9.50.

[DEFYANT]

Nice. I like it. Seems like cheep insurance.

[SergntMac]

Thanks, Donny, this may be a solution for my intercooler water temp too. I'll have to look closer at the sensor mounting, but it's closer to what I have been considering up till now.

[martyo]

Hmmmmm.........very interesting.....

Do let me know what your tech thinks.

[Rider90]

I book marked it in case I do the electric water pump "Down the road."

[metroplex]

Mechanical Water Pump = Cheap Insurance. :D

There is a big push for electric water pumps, electric power steering, and electric brakes on 42V electrical systems in the very near future.

[martyo]

Mechanical Water Pump = Cheap Insurance. :D


Remind me again how the bumper looks of every car that leaves you at the lights.....

[MarauderMark]

Darn good insurance..I thought this was why i was overheating but now i will know...

[Rider90]

Remind me again how the bumper looks of every car that leaves you at the lights.....

Does it make that much of a difference? Looks like I'll be searchin...

[FordNut]

Mechanical Water Pump = Cheap Insurance. :D
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At FFW Atlanta's cruise for true street class, there was one car that fell out. It was a Mach1 with a blower and it threw the blower belt (which also drives the mechanical water pump). If it had an electric water pump, the engine would not have been destroyed.

[Cobra25]

I agree , interesting.
Hmmmmm.........very interesting.....

Do let me know what your tech thinks.

[SergntMac]

Does it make that much of a difference? Looks like I'll be searchin...On a naturally aspirated Marauder, yes, it helps build low end power by addressing the parasitic drag of the mechanical water pump. On a supercharged car, I can't say for sure, I haven't installed one yet. Might be time for another group purchase, Dennis has them in stock.

[merc]

Ordering today. Will have it installed June 5th at Team Ford. The dude with the brown truck should be at my door in the next couple of days.

[DEFYANT]

Might be time for another group purchase, Dennis has them in stock.
Oh no, not again :shake: , not another GP. At this rate I'll be livin in the MM :D .

[Fourth Horseman]

Remind me again how the bumper looks of every car that leaves you at the lights.....

You've convinced me. I'm going to pass on the supercharger and just buy the water pump instead. :D
:lol:

[TAF]

When you own/run a website....and you're the only one who posts....does your keyboard make a sound? FusionVic's Nexus Message Board (http://www.redpulsar.us/nexus)

[Rider90]

When you own/run a website....and you're the only one who posts....does your keyboard make a sound? FusionVic's Nexus Message Board (http://www.redpulsar.us/nexus)

The world may never know... :baaa:

[Joe Walsh]

Hmmmmmm....... :hmmm:

A $100 monitor to make sure that my $350 electric water pump is cooling my $8500 forged DOHC engine......

AWWW, What the heck! It's only money!

Thanks for the heads up on this product!

BTW...Why don't they make it four LEDs...

Green: All is 'OK', then yellow, orange and red???
To me a bad ground is not a 'green' light! :(

[Donny Carlson]

Hmmmmmm....... :hmmm:

A $100 monitor to make sure that my $350 electric water pump is cooling my $8500 forged DOHC engine......

AWWW, What the heck! It's only money!

Thanks for the heads up on this product!

BTW...Why don't they make it four LEDs...

Green: All is 'OK', then yellow, orange and red???
To me a bad ground is not a 'green' light! :(

A single LED requires only one hole to be drilled and takes up less space, requires less wiring.

There is NO light unless trouble happens. This is better than a light always on because you would tend to notice a light that comes on where there usually isn't a light rather than one going out, or changing color.

I think the three colors were chosen because they are so different, that is orange and red could be confused by some persons. Also Green - G - Ground is not a bad mnemonic. Red for - holy schit, you're in trouble, Yellow - uh, oh, better check something here, Green - you aint grounded, bucko.

[Donny Carlson]

When you own/run a website....and you're the only one who posts....does your keyboard make a sound? FusionVic's Nexus Message Board (http://www.redpulsar.us/nexus)
Wow, now that you publicised the site, it actually has >2< registered users!

[Bradley G]

I was asking about mods for Marauders at WFC ,a few guys I spoke with said the cooling is not as effecient as the mechanical water pump at WOT.They claimed any gains would be negated as temps climb.I did not post this to flame guys that have them.I want your feedback as only a few vendors seemed to really know for sure, what was different about our Marauders.
Bradley G

[Donny Carlson]

I was asking about mods for Marauders at WFC ,a few guys I spoke with said the cooling is not as effecient as the mechanical water pump at WOT.They claimed any gains would be negated as temps climb.I did not post this to flame guys that have them.I want your feedback as only a few vendors seemed to really know for sure, what was different about our Marauders.
Bradley G
I'm not sure I understand the criticism here. The Meziere pump for modular Ford engines moves coolant at 55 gpm at all engine speeds, idle or WOT. The mechanical pump would move less at lower RPM and more at higher RPM, but I don't think that higher than 55 gpm is needed, even at WOT. The "any gains would be negated as temps climb" is confusing to me, because the entire purpose of the electric pump is to eliminate parasitic hp draw from having the motor turn the mechanical pump... so how would higher temps change this? Also, I've not seen any evidence that the Meziere causes higher coolant temps after WOT than mechanical, and can attest that my temps -- while they do climb on WOT as expected -- drop back to normal operating temps quickly.

Keep in mind, the Meziere is circulating water even with the engine is not running, as long as the key is in the on position. I would think this pump has a great advantage over mechanical pumps on hot days in stop and go traffic.

[SergntMac]

I'm not sure I understand the criticism here.
I didn't read it as critical, but added 411 to consider. Everything else you posted makes sense to me, I believe there are more electrical pumps on the drag strip than we know about, didn't we borrow the idea from them in the firstbplace?

Here's another thought. Engine temps are reported to the EEC rather quickly, and I see spikes of 10-15 degrees in engine coolant DURING a WOT blast, so, I can't see how this rise in temps can be avoided, or, improved upon. I think it's just as important to consider how long it takes for the engine to cool down and return to "normal" temps after the WOT romp. I'm still using the mechanical pump, and it takes about 10 minutes for the engine to cool back to my usual 183 degrees.

I'm sure the electrical pump restores cooler temps quicker, and this is something to consider too, yes? It's this temp, what the EEC reads, that air/fuel/spark decisions are based on. The sooner you're back to normal, the better (and more econominal) your MM runs.

[merc]

Meziere has a new and improved water pump for fords with a lower retail price.

[Bradley G]

No criticism on the product,just trying to understand what advantages the electric pump will have vs. additional risk if any. If there is a trade off for performance using electric pumps, when this might occur.I read Fordnuts post that if you loose (break) your serpentine belt ,one big advantage over mech. pump is the electric pump will continue to cool the motor.What is the mech pump capable of moving at WOT?Donny how much do your temps rise after a Blast down the 1320? How long till they return back to normal.I appreciate your info.
Bradley G

[Bradley G]

Meziere has a new and improved water pump for fords with a lower retail price.I looked on thier website, I did not see the info you speak of ? please share more details.
Bradley G

[Phil @ FLP]

I noticed a huge difference in my car when I would idle in traffic on my LS1 fbody. In traffic on a hot day with a 160 thermostat the car would sit at around 195-200 degrees with my Meizere water pump the car has never gone over 180 degrees even when it was 98 degrees out stuck in traffic. Also it has the added benefit of I can run it without the engine running so when im at the track and letting the car cool down I can run the pump while the car is off. You do have to be careful as on some cars you can drain the battery quickly with a water pump but LS1s come equipped with anti battery kill relay so if the voltage goes to low it shuts off power to the electrical system so you can still start the car. The electric water pump in conjuction with my electric fan switch allow me to cut my cool down times at the track by usually 10 to 15 minutes. I have over 10,000 miles on my electric water pump without a problem.

[MarauderMark]

Meziere has a new and improved water pump for fords with a lower retail price.


New and improved from the one i bought from Dennis? If so whats the difference? :

[Marauderman]

Also, I've not seen any evidence that the Meziere causes higher coolant temps after WOT than mechanical, and can attest that my temps -- while they do climb on WOT as expected -- drop back to normal operating temps quickly.

Keep in mind, the Meziere is circulating water even with the engine is not running, as long as the key is in the on position. I would think this pump has a great advantage over mechanical pumps on hot days in stop and go traffic.
.........well........since I'm in a re-build stage--I am looking into alot of things--and this electric water pump is one of them--but I can only get out all of this that the only advantage of the electric over the mechanical is that it circulates when the motor is "off"......not much else ..cause the supposed difference is not that much in relation to function over the mechanical--they both do the same--one just longer ......so .......unless you do alot ,,and I guess alot is really alot... of stop and go traffic use...there isn't really a "need to switch".. if at all ..unless your in a hot temp. area and you wanted to be extra nice to your engine and cool her more often and for longer periods..or quicker.....

So ...I'm still confused as to why one should go electric over and mechanical....where is the REAL -"I gotta do this or have problem thingy"" I guess I am asking...........see..you can tell I'm confused......thanks......Tom

[Smokie]

In many years of driving, a mechanical water pump never failed to circulate coolant, 100 % of all the failures that I and all the people I know experienced were pumps that leaked. A leak usually was slow enough to correct the problem without ever placing the engine in danger.

An electric water pump can have the problems that are inherent to all electric motors, sudden total complete failure, I don't believe that the advantages of the electric pump are in the area of "more reliable".

The advantage is reducing load on the engine and releasing horsepower to the rear wheels that the mechanical pump is absorbing.

[merc]

I looked on thier website, I did not see the info you speak of ? please share more details.
Bradley G

This link may explain some of the improvements, they are minor. The new price from my local dealers is 275.00 retail.

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=30417&highlight=meziere

[Bradley G]

Thanks Merc

Bradley G


This link may explain some of the improvements, they are minor. The new price from my local dealers is 275.00 retail.

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=30417&highlight=meziere

[SergntMac]

In many years of driving, a mechanical water pump never failed to circulate coolant, 100 % of all the failures that I and all the people I know experienced were pumps that leaked. A leak usually was slow enough to correct the problem without ever placing the engine in danger.

An electric water pump can have the problems that are inherent to all electric motors, sudden total complete failure, I don't believe that the advantages of the electric pump are in the area of "more reliable".

The advantage is reducing load on the engine and releasing horsepower to the rear wheels that the mechanical pump is absorbing.
Once again, you're spot on with logical advice, Javier, thank you.

I do recall some power improvements when we turned to this technology, but once supercharged, any gains would be hidden. I'm not inclined to pursue it at this time, but some day, it may be the last thing I could do to break into the 11s, I'll cross that bridge when it's needed.

Meanwhile, I suggest to anyone who's considering this, look for all the supporting detail you can fine before jumping at it. What ever gains you collect will have some distractions attached.

[FordNut]

Once again, you're spot on with logical advice, Javier, thank you.

I do recall some power improvements when we turned to this technology, but once supercharged, any gains would be hidden. I'm not inclined to pursue it at this time, but some day, it may be the last thing I could do to break into the 11s, I'll cross that bridge when it's needed.

Meanwhile, I suggest to anyone who's considering this, look for all the supporting detail you can fine before jumping at it. What ever gains you collect will have some distractions attached.
I picked up 12 RWHP, and have seen other positive aspects. Absolutely ZERO negatives. The fan is electric and I don't see a huge rush for taking it off and converting to a fan mounted to the water pump like the old days. Think about it, they are making entire cars driven by electric motors these days. Doesn't it seem that electric motors have advanced to the point they are reliable enough for the water pump task?

[merc]

Watchdog system recieved second day air.

[Donny Carlson]

Watchdog system recieved second day air.
Okay, spill it. How does it look? Quality parts? Hmm?

[merc]

Okay, spill it. How does it look? Quality parts? Hmm?

The box came as promised and the packaging was fantastic. The main container included two smaller boxes smothered in form peanuts. Each box was clearly labeled and a receipt and instructions were included. I included some pictures of the main unit and it's connectors. Most of the connectoins are plug and play. I got the 92db buzzer also. First impressions is great, but the full review will be the installation at Team Ford on June 4th.

[SergntMac]

I picked up 12 RWHP, and have seen other positive aspects.
I'm impressed by your 12 RWHP report, I recall reading likewise results posted here, perhaps it was your post afterall? If so, thanks for the research into it. This mod did not inspire me to reach for it.

Absolutely ZERO negatives.
I don't know what to say here. I believe that no mod is "perfect". Every mod has at least one drawback to it, and we should keep this in mind. But, you have researched this mod, I have not. I expect some disagreement over results which points to why we made the choices we have. I like your "no negatives" boast, but I don't agree with your "absolutely". Just not possible to me.

[NAVCHAP]

A good solution is to keep your mechanical water pump in your trunk organizer. You don't want to have the electric pump fail somewhere. Mine's been great, and it has about 10k miles on it with no problems. It gave me at least 12, maybe 15 rwhp back from the parasitic loss associated with a mechanical pump. But the security of having the back up on hand is nice. -kjs-

[FordNut]

A good solution is to keep your mechanical water pump in your trunk organizer. You don't want to have the electric pump fail somewhere. Mine's been great, and it has about 10k miles on it with no problems. It gave me at least 12, maybe 15 rwhp back from the parasitic loss associated with a mechanical pump. But the security of having the back up on hand is nice. -kjs-
I do keep the OEM pulley with me. I figure a standard pump can be had at many auto parts suppliers but they probably wouldn't have a pulley. A replacement Meziere may have to be ordered... I stand corrected, there is a negative.

[Joe Walsh]

I do keep the OEM pulley with me. I figure a standard pump can be had at many auto parts suppliers but they probably wouldn't have a pulley. A replacement Meziere may have to be ordered... I stand corrected, there is a negative.

Me Too^^^^^^

I keep my OEM water pump, pulley, bolts AND the long Allen wrench needed to remove the Meziere pump in my trunk....just in case! ;)

P.S. I'm not sure what the 'improvements' are on the new Meziere pump?

But I did have a problem with my first Meziere pump seating too far into my block, to the point that the impeller was hitting the concave machined surface in the block.
I kept blowing fuses as soon as I turned on my ignition key. :mad:
I returned it and got a new one that fit perfect...

[Donny Carlson]

I do keep the OEM pulley with me. I figure a standard pump can be had at many auto parts suppliers but they probably wouldn't have a pulley. A replacement Meziere may have to be ordered... I stand corrected, there is a negative.
Well, not really. From what I've read on other Forums, if your Meziere fails you send it back to them and they fix it or replace it. It has a 2 year unlimited miles warrantee. And the shortest service life is the brushes of the motor, rated at 3,000 hours. Somebody figured that to be well over 150,000 miles driving (rmmv). I keep the oem pump, pulley, and belt in a box on the "just in case" shelf, and if I have a long trip I throw it in the trunk. So you run on a mechanical pump for a few weeks.... even shorter if you ordered a new pump, since you can get it overnighted to you if you really, really needed to.

Which gets us back to this thread's original intent, that is the device that tells you what's ailing the pump electrically, should it occur. It's a good idea, imo, and though I will keep my temp gauge, I rather like it that should something happen, i can at least have some idea where to look first.

Most of us weren't fortunate to have Jason install self-resetting circuit breakers with their Meziere. Those with fuses would really benefit knowing a fuse has popped, which this device will alert you to.

One thing I am curious about -- Mac said something about adapting this for use with his intercooler? Is the circulating pump for intercooler coolant electric?

[MENINBLK]

Mechanical Water Pump = Cheap Insurance. :D

There is a big push for electric water pumps, electric power steering, and electric brakes on 42V electrical systems in the very near future.

What near future ???
Mercedes has drive and steer by wire today !
2005 Mustang has drive by wire.

[MarauderMark]

Welp just ordered this thing and am having it sent to Dennis for istallation...

[Rider90]

*BUMP*

How did this go for those who installed it??

[FordNut]

Hearsay evidence, but I talked to an installer who said it doubled the time required for the water pump installation.

[merc]

Hearsay evidence, but I talked to an installer who said it doubled the time required for the water pump installation.

I had the Watch Dog electric pump monitor installed a month ago. The installation, when done right, is very time consuming. The monitor does work as advertised, but when turning on the key you get a 92db tone before the engine starts. This is normal operation if you have the buzzer installed. Some may find this annoying and have this option disconnected.

[SergntMac]

One thing I am curious about -- Mac said something about adapting this for use with his intercooler? Is the circulating pump for intercooler coolant electric?
Oops, sorry, Donny, I missed your question from a month ago. Yes, my intercooler water pump is electrical, Ford Racing M-8501-L54, and the only hint that it's gone south on me will be higher IATs. However, this pump is not critical, I won't get stranded anywhere without it.

I debated this mod for a while, and it's still an option if and when I can mesh it with other mods, but as a stand alone purchase/install, I have set it aside for now. I may be adding a dual gauge pod to the dash area ala BigJoeP, and that housing has a lot of spare room in it. Might be a nice place to park the LED and buzzer.

[Lowndex]

Donny Carlson provide the link:
http://www.autocontrolinc.com/watchdog.html

which no longer works. Any newer one?

[MarauderMark]

Donny Carlson provide the link:
http://www.autocontrolinc.com/watchdog.html

which no longer works. Any newer one?

No cannot be found for purchase anymore.I belive they are outta business..